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Fairly straightforward question.
Since people on NS seem to enjoy bashing every move the US makes or has made, I would like to know.
Do you REALLY think you would be better off with the Soviets around? Really? Consider the position you country would be in (IE: Puppet state) if the (relativly) benevolent US had lost, or if both sides had lost (MAD)
Can you say 'Your country is a Soviet puppet state?' Germany would definitly be gone, France as well. Britain might have held out for a while, but unless they somehow developed long range missiles with no outside funding, trade or aid the Soviets might simply nuke the off the map with little fear of repricussions.
Worse, if the US had lost it might have ended up as a Communist (Stalinist?) state similar to the Soviet Union, eventually. Consider the world situation with three large Communist superpowers (China is a maybe, without the US watching them the Soviets may or may not have 'dealt' with China). You like it? Can you say '1984'? Would you rather be a citizen of Eurasia, Eastasia, or Oceania?
I think my vote goes to the US.

Wow, I'm sure you're going to have a lot of people supporting Stalin's ideology. And I'd like to refer to that type of communism as "pseudo-communism", since it's really closer to fascism than anything else. There, my very own neologism.

Well, the USSR started going in the right direction with Gorbachev.
The US started going in the wrong direction with Reagan.

I vote USSR.

Fairly straightforward question.
Since people on NS seem to enjoy bashing every move the US makes or has made, I would like to know.
Do you REALLY think you would be better off with the Soviets around? Really? Consider the position you country would be in (IE: Puppet state) if the (relativly) benevolent US had lost, or if both sides had lost (MAD)
Can you say 'Your country is a Soviet puppet state?' Germany would definitly be gone, France as well. Britain might have held out for a while, but unless they somehow developed long range missiles with no outside funding, trade or aid the Soviets might simply nuke the off the map with little fear of repricussions.
Worse, if the US had lost it might have ended up as a Communist (Stalinist?) state similar to the Soviet Union, eventually. Consider the world situation with three large Communist superpowers (China is a maybe, without the US watching them the Soviets may or may not have 'dealt' with China). You like it? Can you say '1984'? Would you rather be a citizen of Eurasia, Eastasia, or Oceania?
I think my vote goes to the US.

I wasn't aware that anyone HAD won the Cold War.

I think you are reading too much into the name of the detente, my friend. This wasn't a conventional war - there were no conventional winners or losers.

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Now that I think about it, I'd've liked Japan to win the Cold War. Or Ireland. Take your pick.

I wasn't aware that anyone HAD won the Cold War.

I think you are reading too much into the name of the detente, my friend. This wasn't a conventional war - there were no conventional winners or losers.
So a near total economic collapse, switching of political/economic systems, loss of political power, and all that doesnt count as a loss? Considering the Soviet Union no longer existsm I would say the US won.
I am aware that the Cold War was not conventional, but it was still a war, just with a lack of direct military conflict between the two main powers.

I would have prefered real socialists (not the phoneys in the USSR) to win.

i would rather CANADA had won

that way THEY would be the big dogs and THEY would get all the shit from the rest of the world

and WE could sit back and enjoy our financial domination of the world without the military burden added in.

I would have prefered real socialists (not the phoneys in the USSR) to win.

yeah, bring on the prague spring and the hungarian revolution.

Just to clarify, I voted for the USSR, not because of ideology, but simply because all of the puppet leaders the US put in place to oppose them, as well as the Muslim extremists it fostered were worce than the Soviets themselves. It was a stupid plan all along that they had to be destroyed, simply motivated by an irrational fear of socialism.

I'd have to say the US. The USSR was authoritarian, the US, although conservative, wasn't nearly as much.

However, if the USSR was socially liberal and socialist, then the USSR, hands down.

So a near total economic collapse, switching of political/economic systems, loss of political power, and all that doesnt count as a loss? Considering the Soviet Union no longer existsm I would say the US won.
I am aware that the Cold War was not conventional, but it was still a war, just with a lack of direct military conflict between the two main powers.

My point is, there was no 'winner'. There are still communist states - so communism wasn't stamped out, the Russian's still hold onto their sovereign territory, so they were not conquered.

Also - how is Russia's failing economy, or their choice to change governments a US 'win'? IS Russia winning now that the Dollar is so devalued? Was Russia winning when the Soviets came to power in 1917?

You have made an assumption - that Russia 'lost', and that the US 'won', by association... but that theory doesn't apply in the case of this detente.

If anyone could be said to be winning - it would have to be Russia - since their economy is getting stronger, against the US economy which veers further and further into defecit.

Or China - of course. Since their economy is getting stronger, and they have taken the elements of capitalist trade that suit them, but have remained totally sovereign, and devoutly 'communist'.

Viva la France!

I like that the US won the Cold War. Or perhaps I should say that the USSR lost the Cold War. It was more of a Soviet economic failure than a true US victory.

I don't think I've been bashing the USA too much. Usually we mess everything up (slavery :( , racial segregation :( , ban of sedition :( , etc.) but eventually rectify the situation. I respect the US Constitution and only bash those whom I see violating it.

My point is, there was no 'winner'. There are still communist states - so communism wasn't stamped out, the Russian's still hold onto their sovereign territory, so they were not conquered.

The US won the Spanish-American War. Do we own Cuba? Do we own the Philippines?
Russia DID lose all de jure sovereignty over the many countries that have emerged from within the USSR's old borders.

I think its pretty clear that the Soviet Union lost the Cold War....since it no longer exists, and even Russia may not hold together.

But mostly, having been born a month before the Cuban Missile Crisis and remembering several frightening events that occuring during the entire era,

I am just glad we survived it.

USSR. Thing is, with no enemies around, there'd be no need for random oppression etc. The whole oppression thing was a result of being surrounded by a bunch of bastards trying to wipe the Communists out before they'd even got off the ground (that, and Stalin being a complete psycho, but this fact will be handily ignored for now), so without needing to worry about security, the true ideals of Communism could be pursued, and everyone could live happily ever after, save for the inevitable fools that wouldn't be happy and would start rebelling etc, making the situation a hell of a lot worse for everyone else. Regardless, Ccmmunist domination of the world would be nothing like this mad dystopian thing everyone seems to imagine, it'd be just fine for the majority of us, and bad for the bastards who made a living exploiting us. Or so I think, at any rate. Wow, you get some great ideas when you've been drinking

I would have liked the USSR to win.

All these lefty intellectuals are due for a dose of "re-education" .

I wish the people answering USSR lived under the Iron Curtain :(


Edit : Not as a punishment but to find out what it was like...

but th iron curtain was there as a result of western pressure. the people there suffered because america was so damned aggressive :mad:

but th iron curtain was there as a result of western pressure. the people there suffered because america was so damned aggressive :mad:
Actually, it was there because of Stalin and the fact that the West wasn't agressive enough post-war, but whatever.

The Empire of Presidency.

Canada all the way. The world would be dumbfounded and thats the way it should be.

All these lefty intellectuals are due for a dose of "re-education" .

What's wrong with learning? Are you afraid that by learning too much, we all become "lefty" and no longer support authoritarianism? We must ALWAYS question our government. The moment we let down our guard, we may be "re-educated" to serve the government's whims and no longer enjoy our freedoms.

Can you say 'Your country is a Soviet puppet state?' Germany would definitly be gone, France as well. Britain might have held out for a while, but unless they somehow developed long range missiles with no outside funding, trade or aid the Soviets might simply nuke the off the map with little fear of repricussions.

Germany would be united as the German Democratic Republic, just as it's today united as the Federal Republic of Germany. In France the socialists would be in power, but they've always been strong there anyway. In 2002 presidential elections the radical socialists and communists gathered one-third of all votes, and their support has actually dramatically declined a lot since their hey-days of the Cold War. The United Kingdom probably would have fell with the United States, could possibly have led to the radicalization of the Labour Party.

Worse, if the US had lost it might have ended up as a Communist (Stalinist?) state similar to the Soviet Union, eventually. Consider the world situation with three large Communist superpowers (China is a maybe, without the US watching them the Soviets may or may not have 'dealt' with China). You like it? Can you say '1984'? Would you rather be a citizen of Eurasia, Eastasia, or Oceania?
I think my vote goes to the US.

Stalinism died with Stalin even in the Soviet Union. With him also died any true '1984' totalitarianism in the country. And what would be the third large Communist superpower? I don't believe that the Soviets would have allowed any former Western power to have any supremacy compared to their own, or even China.

Actually, it was there because of Stalin and the fact that the West wasn't agressive enough post-war, but whatever.

fair point about the west not being uber aggressive post war, but given their past actions, stalin had every right to be afraid and to try to consolidate a hold over eastern europe in order to prevent aggression against the soviet homeland. without that threat, there would have been no need for the iron curtain. the soviets were simply legitimately afraid about letting enemies reach home turf, given what had happened with the mongols, napoleon and hitler

Stalinism died with Stalin even in the Soviet Union.

I mostly agree. I do find it interesting, however, that a fresh wreath always stays at Stalin's grave. I was there, and it was creepy. I disagree with the man politically, and yet I still find a strange respect for him.

What's wrong with learning? Are you afraid that by learning too much, we all become "lefty" and no longer support authoritarianism? We must ALWAYS question our government. The moment we let down our guard, we may be "re-educated" to serve the government's whims and no longer enjoy our freedoms.


Typical lefty sophistry. You are ripe for a dose of gualag my friend. ;)

Typical lefty sophistry. You are ripe for a dose of gualag my friend. ;)

Don't treat the gulag lightly! :mad: I know many people who lost their relatives to them.

And by the way, although I may be for social equality, I am definitely NOT A LEFTY when it comes to the economy. In fact, Stalin was further left than I am. :rolleyes:

Typical lefty sophistry. You are ripe for a dose of gualag my friend. ;)
You do realize that more people died in Stalins Gulags than in Hitlers concentration camps?

In regards to Stalin, I have this to say:
Stalin was a great man, not a good man. He has earned a great deal of respect because he won against he odds, clawed his way up from the street and became leader of one of the most powerful countries on the planet.
He led a bunch of Russian peasants into the nuclear age.
I generaly hold him in the same light as the Roman emperors, he was nuts, he was generaly evil, but he did great things.

Germany would be united as the German Democratic Republic, just as it's today united as the Federal Republic of Germany. In France the socialists would be in power, but they've always been strong there anyway. In 2002 presidential elections the radical socialists and communists gathered one-third of all votes, and their support has actually dramatically declined a lot since their hey-days of the Cold War. The United Kingdom probably would have fell with the United States, could possibly have led to the radicalization of the Labour Party.
Exactly, they would be puppet states with little or no political freedom.
France, being France, would most likely either be politicaly overrun or militarily conqoured. I feel Britain could hold out because they have a body of water to use as cover, and they have nukes and the will to use them if they have to.

Stalinism died with Stalin even in the Soviet Union. With him also died any true '1984' totalitarianism in the country. And what would be the third large Communist superpower? I don't believe that the Soviets would have allowed any former Western power to have any supremacy compared to their own, or even China.
I would think that while the Soviets were busy slaughtering their way through Europe and the Middle East the Chinese would be 'consolidating' southeast Asia and their neighbors. After all, the Soviets would not want a two-front war, and Europe, while it would inevitably fall, would likely be able to hold out for a while. China would be able to take and pacify a good bit of territory, the Japanese would have no hope of defending themselves (Unless they happen to have giant-gundam-robots and Godzilla stowed away somewhere), and THEN we would be majorly screwed because China would have access to some real high-tech stuff, IE: Missile guidance systems, cool gadgetry, and Pokemon.
Has it occured to you that the next James Bond may be Chinese? :p

TO EVERYBODY:
Im glad to see that this has not turned into a flame war, it is actually possible to have a clear cut, clean, and non-liberal-agreeing-fest-shout-down-the-opposition debate on NationStates. I am amazed.

I think I would have prefered if the third world would have won. You know, instead of being used as a disposable chess board...

I vote USSR, Russia was a poor backwards country and communism modernized it very quickly. In a rich country like the USA communism could create a totally bitchin' utopia.

^^^Interesting.

The US won the Spanish-American War. Do we own Cuba? Do we own the Philippines?
Russia DID lose all de jure sovereignty over the many countries that have emerged from within the USSR's old borders.

Russia allowed rogue states to secede - which is more than can be said for the US in the same situation.

The UK allowed 'rogue states' to secede, India, for example, and Australia... which has nothing to do with 'war' or even 'detente' - more a matter of political rationality.

Regarding the 'Spanish-American' war, the US was backing revolutionary states, in a revolt against their founders - they were not 'at war' with Cuba or the Philippines - and never actually 'warred' with Spain - except where the Spaniards fought for control of their colonies... so, there is no reason why the US would 'own' Cuba or the Philippines.

I voted for the atomic holocaust, because that would have solved everyone's problems and stopped them arising again. But we got the second best: the West won.

And China shows the way that a former Communist country can modernise and improve. It's only a shame that the Soviet Bloc didn't do the same.

Paraguay all the way!
(What can I say, it rhymes!)

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now if I could just learn to speeel I'd be doing graet!

USA definitely.

Say what you want... Russia and China aren't the worlds superpower today under communism. In fact, their no more communist. Blame the lousy leaders? Perhaps you can, but it was communism that kept them in power anyway.

Anyone who says the Soviet Union never visited it and saw the state it was in. And they never visited the eastern european communist bloc which was even worse and is only just recovering. America has its faults but it is a far nicer country than the Soviet Union was and Russia is.

Yes, being dragged away in the middle of the night for saying the wrong thing at the wrong time is SO much fun.
At least the Soviets didnt go into physical tourture much after Stalin.

It's not about who we want to have won. It's about what has happened since the victory. The USSR packed up and went home honourably. It is long overdue for the US to have done the same.

Manchester United.

A draw, then demilitarization from both sides.

but th iron curtain was there as a result of western pressure. the people there suffered because america was so damned aggressive :mad:
Who built the walls and guardhouses? Who broke the varied war-time agreements involving free elections? Who blockaded Berlin? Certainly not the US. If fact, if I remember correctly it was the USSR. We followed our treaty commitments in Europe, did the USSR?

I would have prefered real socialists (not the phoneys in the USSR) to win.

Hate to say this, but they were the real deal.

That kind of authoritarianism is what happens when the masses give up economic independance to a few "brave leaders" who make the "tough decisions" for the "greater good". As surely as 1 + 1 = 2, communism = dictatorship. Dictatorships are bad.

Hate to say this, but they were the real deal.

That kind of authoritarianism is what happens when the masses give up economic independance to a few "brave leaders" who make the "tough decisions" for the "greater good". As surely as 1 + 1 = 2, communism = dictatorship. Dictatorships are bad.

communism is a stateless and classless society. if there is a dictatorship, then there is no communism. hell, if some people make major decisions for others without their explicit say, then there is no communism.

in the words of george orwell, "socialism means a classless society or it means nothing at all."

communism is a stateless and classless society. if there is a dictatorship, then there is no communism. hell, if some people make major decisions for others without their explicit say, then there is no communism.

in the words of george orwell, "socialism means a classless society or it means nothing at all."


all people are equal, but some are more equal than others :mp5:
if you ain't part of the party you ain't jack, that sounds kind've like a class structure to me

I would personally prefer it if the Cold war was still happening. That way we wouldnt have a single superpower abusing its position.

But yes, the US is far better than the USSR. The US wasn't perfect, but they were by far a whole lot better than the USSR.

The kingdom of Tonga.

But yes, the US is far better than the USSR. The US wasn't perfect, but they were by far a whole lot better than the USSR.

But if the Cold war is still hapening then the USSR and the USA can get so caught in (Cold) fighting each other then they wont bother about imposing their will on other tiny nations. This way if there is even a hint of corruption from one or the other then the other will come down on the one like a ton of bricks (or more likely a ton of ICBM's which is a great deal more impressive)

if you ain't part of the party you ain't jack, that sounds kind've like a class structure to me

so then you agree that the ussr was not socialist, let alone communist, right?

I voted all out nuclear war.
We need a real world war, the species is too cockey.
Besides, with the way both sides acted (US and USSR) then everyone should have just been killed off, it would have made things alot easier.

so then you agree that the ussr was not socialist, let alone communist, right?


communist in name only. In practice they were hypocritical brutal fascists.
As a member of the communist party you enjoyed a lot of perks and privelages that the ordinary peasant did not. That means ordinary people were secind-class citizens. On paper communism sought to share everything equally but in practice the only guarantee that you would be fed is if you were a member of the party or in the millitary. In china, basically the same thing happenned too (although getting better now, It's still a brutal fascists corrupt state) Communism, in practice, never works out the way it should. No one is given the right to: Life,Liberty and the pursuit of happinnes. (the first being the least cherished) No educated person would willingly enlist himself as a slave to communism unless they thought so highly of themsevelves as to be one of the great benevolent benefactors of a new social construct. Pure folly and a tragedy for all those deemed "less equal" than them. Communism takes its roots in ethier uneducated,ignorant or disenfranchised people and tells them they can almost barely be equal to what they may modestly hope to be, but that's it. it's...why am I even talking to you?
communism is bad mojo, sucka

Everyone knows The Community of Civil Progression won the Cold War, duh...

I'd go for US... USSR was screwed up, though they tried very hard to cover up...



But when there's a war, somebody will get on top and proclaim theirselves winner. Even though they both are losers.

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I'd go for US... USSR was screwed up, though they tried very hard to cover up...



But when there's a war, somebody will get on top and proclaim theirselves winner. Even though they both are losers.

there


capitalism won. People in russia were beating each other up and mugging each other for Levi Jeans. Capitalism had brought goods and services into russia that most russians have never been able to get a hold or seen ever.
I think it's incorrect to say that any one nation won. British people in this thread should not be so anti-capitalist. You guys helped us too.

capitalism won. People in russia were beating each other up and mugging each other for Levi Jeans. Capitalism had brought goods and services into russia that most russians have never been able to get a hold or seen ever.
I think it's incorrect to say that any one nation won. British people in this thread should not be so anti-capitalist. You guys helped us too.

have you taken a good look at russian capitalism recently? their life-expectancies haven't even climbed back up to ussr era levels yet.

there should have been a 5th choice: "neither, I vote for me myself on my own". You imagine that? "I'm the king of the wooooorld!!!!", and behind you, apocalypse. That would be great.

Well, with those crappy choices, I vote USA. Cause they got disaster films. While Staline has disaster policies!

I would personally prefer it if the Cold war was still happening. That way we wouldnt have a single superpower abusing its position.

yes, 2 superpowers abusing their positions in their respective kingdoms, and sometimes look at 2 of their puppets fight :D

Britain had long range missles numb nuts about 80 abord 7 or so trident nuclear subs, and about 120 high yeild nukes on long range bombers all capable of hitting the soviet union as far as volgograd.

Not to meantion spreading communism to western europe would never have worked, the only reason it vaugly worked in eastern europe and russia, (see point below) was becuase the Commies rushed in right after the nazis, and before they did so encoraged the gernerally democractic groups in the countries to rise up wish the promise of help, and waited for the nazi's to wipe them out before moving in. France, West germany, Britain becoming a communist puppet state. Jesus!

Besides the U.S dint win the cold war, the U.S.S.R colapsed the minute Gorbavhev came to power with his policyies of glabnost. The people who should be credited with the down fall of the U.S.S.R should be its citizens who bravel rose up against it again and again in prague, hungry and finaly with success in East German against overwheling odds.

Stop taking your history out of trashy sci fi novels and games and go take a modern world history corse.

Stop taking your history out of trashy sci fi novels and games and go take a modern world history corse.
No more Harry Turtledove! yay!

jesus thouse books make me throw up blood. The most that guy has is a mail order english gcse.

have you taken a good look at russian capitalism recently? their life-expectancies haven't even climbed back up to ussr era levels yet.


sooo..you think then..that a country as big as russia..can repair itself overnight after being decimated by almost a century of Rule by the soviets..by turning back to communism??..hahaha

I guess your logic is undeniable then comrade

actually the communist party still exist in russia, and germany funnily enough. and most russian MP are ex Kgb or politburo.

actually the communist party still exist in russia, and germany funnily enough. and most russian MP are ex Kgb or politburo.

yea I know, but their is other parties too. I ment fully go back to communism. I'm talking to a person with the name "Free soviets" so I don't think he'd be asking for just representation in the duma or whatever

Both countries lost the cold war.

The USSR, well, collapsed. No more of them.
The US, well, they didn't collapsed, worse, they lost their enemy, and by losing their enemy, they lost the legitimacy for being a superpower. So now, they are a corporative version of the USSR :)

Damn, Go Paraguay!

Both countries lost the cold war.

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they lost the legitimacy for being a superpower. So now, they are a corporative version of the USSR :)

despite the fact that the US doesn't send people to Gulags? Or arrest people for having differing political beliefs.

sooo..you think then..that a country as big as russia..can repair itself overnight after being decimated by almost a century of Rule by the soviets..by turning back to communism??..hahaha

I guess your logic is undeniable then comrade

read what i said again - where in it did i suggest any such course of action? life expectencies crashed with the collapse of the ussr and haven't gone back up yet. people lived longer, healthier lives in the later years of the ussr than they do now. they even had more stuff. capitalism in russia has exclusively benefitted a tiny elite of oligarchs that got sweetheart deals for private ownership of formerly state owned enterprises and resources. these are just the facts. you can look them up if you don't trust me.

call me a communist all you like, but you ain't pinning the crimes of the leninists and stalinists on me, my friend.

I would have prefered real socialists (not the phoneys in the USSR) to win.
Socialism can't win. It will always lose.

Both countries lost the cold war.

The USSR, well, collapsed. No more of them.
The US, well, they didn't collapsed, worse, they lost their enemy, and by losing their enemy, they lost the legitimacy for being a superpower. So now, they are a corporative version of the USSR :)

Damn, Go Paraguay!
Interesting, I haven't seen millions of people being killed off by the government.

I'm talking to a person with the name "Free soviets" so I don't think he'd be asking for just representation in the duma or whatever

you're new here, so the fact that you know crap about me is excusable. and almost nobody in america knows what a 'soviet' is either, so that's ok. but i'd really appreciate it if you didn't use your ignorance to make ridiculous assumptions.

have you taken a good look at russian capitalism recently? their life-expectancies haven't even climbed back up to ussr era levels yet.
"Reported" life expectancies haven't climbed to ther "previous" levels.

you're new here, so the fact that you know crap about me is excusable. and almost nobody in america knows what a 'soviet' is either, so that's ok. but i'd really appreciate it if you didn't use your ignorance to make ridiculous assumptions.


fair enough. What should I be assuming then?

you're new here, so the fact that you know crap about me is excusable. and almost nobody in america knows what a 'soviet' is either, so that's ok. but i'd really appreciate it if you didn't use your ignorance to make ridiculous assumptions.
I know basically what a Soviet is! Yay!

A soviet is the name that the post czarist councils adopted in Russia.

Interesting, I haven't seen millions of people being killed off by the government.

Vietnam, Iraq? Truckloads of sponsored fascist regimes? mmm okay, i concede that living under the soviets was ALOT worse than living under the US, but since this last country isnt innocent, i wonder if paraguay would not make a better world ruler.

I know basically what a Soviet is! Yay!

A soviet is the name that the post czarist councils adopted in Russia.

ding ding ding! and for those keeping records, a free soviet was one which wasn't dominated by an outside force (particularly the bolsheviks) and was actually functioning instead of just being a smokescreen for dictatorship.

Vietnam, Iraq? Truckloads of sponsored fascist regimes? mmm okay, i concede that living under the soviets was ALOT worse than living under the US, but since this last country isnt innocent, i wonder if paraguay would not make a better world ruler.
paraguay is pretty damn far from an innocent nation as well...

ding ding ding! and for those keeping records, a free soviet was one which wasn't dominated by an outside force (particularly the bolsheviks) and was actually functioning instead of just being a smokescreen for dictatorship.
I'd tip my hat to you if I had one!

fair enough. What should I be assuming then?

about which?

I would have prefered real socialists (not the phoneys in the USSR) to win.
Socialism is too idealistic to work. That's why it always becomes Stalinist authoritarianism. Regulated capitalism is the way to go!

I'd tip my hat to you if I had one!

working people of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains - and free complimentary hats to gain.

working people of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains - and free complimentary hats to gain.

share the wealth what are you on?, that cant work people become complacant amd nobody competes to be better and more productive, central planning cant work, its been tried and what a mess it was.

share the wealth what are you on?, that cant work people become complacant amd nobody competes to be better and more productive, central planning cant work, its been tried and what a mess it was.

well then, no hat for you

well then, no hat for you

I can buy a hat as many as i like thats the beauty of it i can spend on whatever i like, say for example a person dont like hats, what you say they have to take one?

I can buy a hat as many as i like thats the beauty of it i can spend on whatever i like, say for example a person dont like hats, what you say they have to take one?

come the revolution, all people will want hats, and you can't have any.

you do realize that this is an utterly ridiculous conversation, right?

come the revolution, all people will want hats, and you can't have any.

you do realize that this is an utterly ridiculous conversation, right?

Yea but what you gonna do?

Wow, I'm sure you're going to have a lot of people supporting Stalin's ideology. And I'd like to refer to that type of communism as "pseudo-communism", since it's really closer to fascism than anything else. There, my very own neologism.

It's not a neologism. Actually Communism is just one of the brands of Fascism (along with its sister ideology of Nazism - Red China actually manages to be BOTH Communist and Nazi at the same time).

I found a hat! It's a blue trucker-cap and it says VOTE in big white letters across the front! I tip it to all!

I vote USSR.

You are either very ignorant or very evil.

US, of course. Anyone who seriously voted for the USSR should read up on Stalin, possibly humanity's #1 mass murderer, and the terms "gulag" and "bread lines."

We "won" in the sense that we're still a capitalistic (but half-socialist!) republic, while Red Square has fallen to McDonald's. Nyah, nyah, we win... now let's be peaceful trading partners. Make money, not war.

It seems as though both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden were at one point supported by us as tools against the Soviets, though, and now we're paying for being willing to fight evil with evil. I hope we can deal with the present wars without setting up more dictators in the process.

US, of course. Anyone who seriously voted for the USSR should read up on Stalin, possibly humanity's #1 mass murderer, and the terms "gulag" and "bread lines."

We "won" in the sense that we're still a capitalistic (but half-socialist!) republic, while Red Square has fallen to McDonald's. Nyah, nyah, we win... now let's be peaceful trading partners. Make money, not war.

It seems as though both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden were at one point supported by us as tools against the Soviets, though, and now we're paying for being willing to fight evil with evil. I hope we can deal with the present wars without setting up more dictators in the process.

Actually Saddam Hussein was not a tool against the Soviets (he was very friendly with them) but rather against Iran.

It was Osama we gave weapons to to fight the soviets, the one who actualy attacked us you remeber.

I would have rather had the tiny Republic of Togo win the Cold War. At least we wouldn't have fat ignorant Togoans gloating over it ten years on.

I would have loved a public poll on this one.

Since it was liberal democrats
that fought republicans and
President Ronald Reagan all the way
including John Kerry.

Like John Kerry on Nicaragua,
visiting and supporting good relations
with The Sandinista communist,
Cuba etc, etc, etc.

I saw a tv news program
cant remember if it was nightline
or some other news program were
Nicaraguan school children were being taught
that Fidel Castro and The Russian communist leader
I have forgotten his name already ill remember,
were good, the same leaders John Kerrry supported and
President Ford, Reagan and Democrat President Carter
were bad.


While the news media can influence what
we hear and see, I dont think they put
their own children in front of a camera
and called it Nicaragua.

No I am not saying John Kerry is a communist
what I am saying is he is a leftist in american
political terms.

No wonder Santa-nita a native Cuban could
never vote for John Kerry for any government Position.

What do you mean, 'won' the Cold War? It was unwinnable and some would argue this is just a brief breather.

If China manage to take over the US as the world's leading super power, then it is highly probable that the soviet flags will once again unfurl over the Kremlin. They are still communists now: most of the people are communists and their leader, Putin, certainly is. He is a KGB man and probably still fiercely loyal to the Soviet regime. Also note that Putin got 99% of the vote in the recent elections - does this not strike anyone as a tiny bit odd? He can't be that popular surely. The state still controls the media and the state still controls many key industires (although not in name). They use the threat of criminal prosecution against the leading businessmen to keep them in line and when they don't, its off to prison on a trumped up charge.

I really am surprised at the laxity of many European states, especially my homeland, the UK. We should be increasing our military budgets ready to deal with the communist threat once more. Instead of decommisioning air craft carriers, and disbanding regiments, we should be building more and preparing.

come the revolution, all people will want hats, and you can't have any.

Come the revolution hats will be produced by each according to their ability, and worn by each according to their need.

Come the revolution hats will be produced by each according to their ability, and worn by each according to their need.

except for Legit Business, because he can't have any.

except for Legit Business, because he can't have any.

The other option is just to have one enormous hat, and to call it the 'Peoples' Hat': any who criticise it, such as Legit Business, are therefore criticising the people and as such counter-revolutionaries that are fit only for the re-education camps.

The other option is just to have one enormous hat, and to call it the 'Peoples' Hat': any who criticise it, such as Legit Business, are therefore criticising the people and as such counter-revolutionaries that are fit only for the re-education camps.

I don't want a hat I want a hoodie.

Is anyone here a card carrying member of the communist party?

I don't want a hat I want a hoodie.

No, that's just false consciousness, you may think you want a hoodie, but what you need is a hat.

Is anyone here a card carrying member of the communist party?

Not me anyhow: I disagree with their focus on statist politics, and experience has taught us anarchists that whenever the Marxists get into a position of power it is us that are one of the first against the wall.

The Soviets gave the US a competitor, and a reason to compete.

Corrupt Capitalism v.s. Corrupt Communism... Hm... I think I'll go with... Neither?

Well, the USSR started going in the right direction with Gorbachev.
The US started going in the wrong direction with Reagan.

I vote USSR.

Typical.....
You would really prefer Gorbachev than Reagan? Communism to Democracy? If only we could make a special place like the USSR where we could send people like you forever.... then we would never hear from you again bc of their state-run media. One can only dream....

No, that's just false consciousness, you may think you want a hoodie, but what you need is a hat.



Not me anyhow: I disagree with their focus on statist politics, and experience has taught us anarchists that whenever the Marxists get into a position of power it is us that are one of the first against the wall.


well whatever. I still want a hoodie..I'm serious about the commie thing. How many here are actual supporters of communism.
Socialism is another story and I'll forgive any socialist for their Naivity, but Commies...

How many here are actual supporters of communism.

Call me an anarcho-communist.

No wonder Santa-nita a native Cuban could
never vote for John Kerry for any government Position.
If you are a native Cuban, then I find your testimony to be the most moving thing I've heard here (about the evils of communism that is)

Call me an anarcho-communist.


that's a wash man, you just fight for the sake of fighting

Call me an anarcho-communist.
of the 'hattist' variety.

of the 'hattist' variety.


goddamn hoodie haters

I am a pro-hoodie, pro-hat Western Hemisphere Moderate.

I am a pro-hoodie, pro-hat Western Hemisphere Moderate.

so you wear a hoodie and a hat? that's like being bi or something J/K

so you wear a hoodie and a hat? that's like being bi or something J/K
no, it's like a threesome! :)

How many here are actual supporters of communism.Call me an anarcho-communist.
i pretty much count as one of them too.

working people of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains - and free complimentary hats to gain.

Anf free Refused Party Pie!!!

I had to vote for Paraguay because the Republic of Palau was not given as an option. For the record though, my answer is Palau. :sniper: