NationStates Jolt Archive


Choosing to be homosexual

Letila
28-11-2004, 20:35
Why would anyone choose to be homosexual, as conservatives claim happens? Given the way homosexuals are treated, it makes no sense.
The Tribes Of Longton
28-11-2004, 20:37
Why would anyone choose to be homosexual, as conservatives claim happens? Given the way homosexuals are treated, it makes no sense.
Someone in my school claimed to be gay just to be alternative. Then he went to parties and got laid loads.

Apparently, some girls have a thing about trying to make gay men straight.

*starts pretending to be gay to pull more*
Von Witzleben
28-11-2004, 20:37
Because the proletariat is opressed by the system. And those that uphold the system. Conservatives. Choosing to be a homosexuel is a form of protest to make people aware of the needs of mother earth.
Letila
28-11-2004, 21:30
How do you choose to be gay, anyway?
Faithfull-freedom
28-11-2004, 21:32
How do you choose to be gay, anyway?

When someone thinks that their choice is more righteous than that of the person they want to label as 'gay'. Like that song says to all those that are blind in their third eye, everyone is so self righteous.
Dempublicents
28-11-2004, 21:34
How do you choose to be gay, anyway?

Well, the same people who say that you choose to be gay seem to think you choose to be born poor or rich as well - so maybe it's just that they think everything is a choice.
Superpower07
28-11-2004, 21:34
How do you choose to be gay, anyway?
That's just it, you can't choose - it just happens.

I read at CNN (http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9510/homosexuality_gene/index.html) that homosexuality may be genetic . . . what do you think of this?
Dempublicents
28-11-2004, 21:39
That's just it, you can't choose - it just happens.

I read at CNN (http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9510/homosexuality_gene/index.html) that homosexuality may be genetic . . . what do you think of this?

It is most likely partly genetic, but not in the "single gay gene" way that most people like to think. It is also most likely due partly to hormone balances in the womb, as shown by many studies in animals. Finally, early childhood experiences/relationships may have *some* influence, although most studies demonstrate that sexuality is pretty much determined even by age 3.
New Genoa
28-11-2004, 21:40
*pokes a dead horse*
Quagmir
28-11-2004, 21:41
Be bisexual...double your chances!
New Foxxinnia
28-11-2004, 21:41
I read at CNN (http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9510/homosexuality_gene/index.html) that homosexuality may be genetic . . . what do you think of this?Wow! Old news! This is so exciting!
Superpower07
28-11-2004, 21:43
Wow! Old news! This is so exciting!
Yeah I know it's old, but I just decided to verify my claims with a source
The Tribes Of Longton
29-11-2004, 00:22
Yeah I know it's old, but I just decided to verify my claims with a source
Then verify it with a scientific journal/magazine e.g. new scientist which has run about 3 stories on it.

There is an almost definite link to a crtain part of the brain and sexuality. Hetero men and women have a section of their brain which is a different shape. One is larger than the other, I think. Anyway, in gay men it is similar to the straight woman's brain section, and in lesbian women it is similar to the straight man's brain section. Not that this is always the case, or indeed the only factor. Obviously upbringing will have something to do with it, although I think it is generally considered to be a strong disposition created by genetics. Also, the presence of bi-sexuality, asexuality and gender swapping - along with varying degrees of sexual preference - suggests continuous variation, hence polygenes and environmental factors.

Just to stop any gay-bashers claiming I'm a queer propagandist or some other ludicrously inappropriate sentiment, I'm a straight male. And I used to have much more conservative (proper use fo the word not political affiliation) views
Carling Divinity
29-11-2004, 00:31
I would say it was nature that made a person gay.
And nurture that made that person 'straight acting', or 'a flaming queen' and anywhere in between.

I would not choose to be gay and my parents have told me about suicidal homosexuals (they worked in a local mental asylum). They wanted to have families but knowing they couldn't, were suicidal. That, on it's own, proves to me, that people cannot choose to be gay.

And on the same note, I also believe for the same reason that paedophiles do not choose to be what they are.
Dostanuot Loj
29-11-2004, 00:45
Well, I have a freind who chose to be gay, so ever since she chose, I've kept the belief that people choose to be homosexual.
By the way, this choice was brought on by a very traumatic experiance with some men when she was very young, from ther she decided not to be involved with any men but her few close freinds.
The Tribes Of Longton
29-11-2004, 00:52
I would say it was nature that made a person gay.
And nurture that made that person 'straight acting', or 'a flaming queen' and anywhere in between.

I would not choose to be gay and my parents have told me about suicidal homosexuals (they worked in a local mental asylum). They wanted to have families but knowing they couldn't, were suicidal. That, on it's own, proves to me, that people cannot choose to be gay.

And on the same note, I also believe for the same reason that paedophiles do not choose to be what they are.
I agree with the non-choice part, but the suicidal because they can't have kids part? What, are all gay people suddenly sterile now?
Bredagh
29-11-2004, 01:26
Well, I have a freind who chose to be gay, so ever since she chose, I've kept the belief that people choose to be homosexual.
By the way, this choice was brought on by a very traumatic experiance with some men when she was very young, from ther she decided not to be involved with any men but her few close freinds.


Gay people don't choose to be gay. And lesbians certainly don't choose to be that way because of sexual abuse at the hands of men. That's a myth.

Now, your friend choosing not to associate with STRANGE men is a different matter. By all accounts she could be bisexual.
Bottle
29-11-2004, 01:27
Why would anyone choose to be homosexual, as conservatives claim happens? Given the way homosexuals are treated, it makes no sense.
if conservatives claim that sexuality is a choice, then how come none of them can explain how and why they choose to be heterosexual?
Dostanuot Loj
29-11-2004, 01:41
Gay people don't choose to be gay. And lesbians certainly don't choose to be that way because of sexual abuse at the hands of men. That's a myth.

Now, your friend choosing not to associate with STRANGE men is a different matter. By all accounts she could be bisexual.

Nah, trust me, she's gay. Therapists, her, and quite a few guys who have tried to ask her out (All nice guys, and also freinds of mine too). She's just not interested in males.

EDIT: By the way, I'm not conservatist or liberal. And as far as I'm concerned, technicly it can be both, some people choose, some people are born with it. Forcing one option of the other makes what sense?
Letila
29-11-2004, 01:42
Nah, trust me, she's gay. Therapists, her, and quite a few guys who have tried to ask her out (All nice guys, and also freinds of mine too). She's just not interested in males.

Technically, that sounds more like conditioning than choice, actually.
Blackest Surreality
29-11-2004, 01:45
Nah, trust me, she's gay. Therapists, her, and quite a few guys who have tried to ask her out (All nice guys, and also freinds of mine too). She's just not interested in males.

Could be bisexual, and just more predominatly gay.

Trust me, I've tried to choose my sexuality, doesn't work :(
Lower Freedonia
29-11-2004, 01:47
Well, it's possible that the person had heterosexual relations before realizing her homosexuality. We generally assume heterosexuality as a default, unless we know for sure that we're not.
Sapex
29-11-2004, 01:50
I don't know what happened with me, it kinda rubbed off from the people I was around I guess, my mom owns a flower shop and each guy there, stereotypically, is gay. So meh.
Bredagh
29-11-2004, 01:50
Nah, trust me, she's gay. Therapists, her, and quite a few guys who have tried to ask her out (All nice guys, and also freinds of mine too). She's just not interested in males.

EDIT: By the way, I'm not conservatist or liberal. And as far as I'm concerned, technicly it can be both, some people choose, some people are born with it. Forcing one option of the other makes what sense?

I'm bi, but not particularly interested in males. Doesn't make me a full-blown lesbian.

Now I don't know your friend, but saying that she's gay because she was abused by men isn't right. Bad experiences don't define something like that. It's brain chemistry that does.

People do not choose to be who they are. Saying someone chooses to be gay is like someone telling you that you choose to be straight.
Faithfull-freedom
29-11-2004, 01:55
And as far as I'm concerned, technicly it can be both, some people choose, some people are born with it. Forcing one option of the other makes what sense?

I say your on to something, just how 'some people' choose to limit everyone else by thinking it has to be one or the other. Some people over analyze a situation down to a specific that has one reality slightly outweighing another and thus the heavier reality must be the ultimate truth (to a closed mind), when in fact both are a part of the overall truth.