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Thanks a lot Carter, Reagan, and H.W. Bush! :mad:

You know, that would be a whole lot more credible if they actually, you know, provided sources.

Any thoughts?

It is a well known conspiracy theory that the US engeneered AIDS and HIV and distributed it for some reason (i forget why iam sorry). I myself believe it was enginereed as it doesnt follow patterens of most virus's its all a bit iffy and i think it is possible the americans made it but what proof do i have so........this is all conjecture.

did the link go to the right page? what about that made you swear at past presidents?

did the link go to the right page? what about that made you swear at past presidents?

Yes, it did. I said, "thanks a lot, Carter, Reagan, and H.W. Bush" because they are partly responsible for the fall of South Africa. They were do desperate to get rid of apartheid that they turned the nation over on a silver platter to the communists, with catastrophic results.

sorry got the rong end of the stick :headbang: lol

Nelson Mandela is a Communist?

It is a well known conspiracy theory that the US engeneered AIDS and HIV and distributed it for some reason (i forget why iam sorry).
Its also bollocks. No organisation (responsible or otherwise) would ever make and distribute a disease without creating a cure. And besides, its only just now that science can manipulate proteins into a virus-like shape, let alone implant DNA that makes the virus able to attack cells and replicate, as well as being able to hide within B-cells (?) to avoid detection by the body.

Nelson Mandela is a Communist?

One of the 3 main groups in the ANC was the South African Communist Party which was one of the biggest fighters against aparthied. Nowdays they are about as communist as the British Labour Party but they are still a major force.

One of the 3 main groups in the ANC was the South African Communist Party which was one of the biggest fighters against aparthied. Nowdays they are about as communist as the British Labour Party but they are still a major force.

They are more communist than ever. Read, for example, Government by Deception by Jan Lamprecht and Inside the ANC and Politics By Other Means by Morgan Norval. Also recommended: www.africancrisis.org, a website that is ultra-slanted, but gives photographic proof of the South African communists' atrocities.

Yes, it did. I said, "thanks a lot, Carter, Reagan, and H.W. Bush" because they are partly responsible for the fall of South Africa. They were do desperate to get rid of apartheid that they turned the nation over on a silver platter to the communists, with catastrophic results.
so you think the fall of apartheid caused AIDS?

you think that COMMUNISM caused AIDS?

you think that if the brutally racist government of SA was still in power there would be no more bad people?

isnt that just a tad naive?

-snip-
Wow, that has to be one of the most unintelligent posts I have ever seen . . . :eek:

Care to back up what you said, Mr. Conspiracy theorist?

Also recommended: www.africancrisis.org, a website that is ultra-slanted, but gives photographic proof of the South African communists' atrocities.
Yeah, because we all know how it's totally impossible to doctor photographs.

Wow, that has to be one of the most unintelligent posts I have ever seen . . . :eek:

Care to back up what you said, Mr. Conspiracy theorist?
Apart from his repealment of this post, look at my rebuttal above.

If Nelson Mandela is a communist, some people may want to reconsider their views on communism. What do you call apartheid then? Capitalism?

They are more communist than ever. Read, for example, Government by Deception by Jan Lamprecht and Inside the ANC and Politics By Other Means by Morgan Norval. Also recommended: www.africancrisis.org, a website that is ultra-slanted, but gives photographic proof of the South African communists' atrocities.

If you want me to read how the SACP is more communist then ever I think you might have to provide a more specific link. It seems like there is a lot of far out nonsense on that site. Theresa Heinz Kerry is a communist? WTF!

so you think the fall of apartheid caused AIDS?

you think that COMMUNISM caused AIDS?

you think that if the brutally racist government of SA was still in power there would be no more bad people?

isnt that just a tad naive?

You obviously know very little of South Africa or its "brutally racist," government. While no one can deny the fact that racism was rampant in the apartheid government, apartheid was only maintained as long as it was as a defense against communism. The ANC and other groups were banned not for being black, but for committing terrorist acts and atrocities against innocent people- black people, I might add. These groups were subversive and openly advocated the violent overthrow of the government. The National Party wanted to gradually eliminate apartheid, but wait until the communist threat had subsided before allowing full integration. In spite of the National Party's "racism," it did make many honest efforts to bring about the gradual abolition of apartheid. Pieter Willem Botha, for example, legalized interracial marriage, lifted the ban on multiracial political parties, granted more political rights to Coloureds and Asians, relaxed laws which prohibited non-whites from living in certain areas, etc. As I said, a large percentage of the party were racists, but the purpose of apartheid had nothing to do with race, but had everything to do with preventing the communists from coming to power. The communists, of course, were able to takea advantage of all this, and played the race card to attract international sympathy. But where is all the outrage over the slaughter of white South African farmers currently taking place, the exponential increase in crime and corruption since the ANC achieved power, the government's open contempt of whites (most of whom had no affiliation with the former National Party) and boasts of their intention to commit genocide after Mandela's death, the skyrocketing AIDS epidemic, etc.? All racism is wrong, whatever race it is directed against. Yet, the two-faced jackals who hated white-ruled South Africa because it adopted authoritarian measures to ensure the survival of their country, love and adore the megalomaniacal, corrupt, despotic thugs who rule South Africa now and make life harder for both blacks and whites. Blacks are actually much worse off now than they ever were under apartheid.

If you want me to read how the SACP is more communist then ever I think you might have to provide a more specific link. It seems like there is a lot of far out nonsense on that site. Theresa Heinz Kerry is a communist? WTF!

As I said, slanted as hell, but check out the pictures.

Yeah, because we all know how it's totally impossible to doctor photographs.

If you're going to be a smart-ass, please stay off my threads, thanks.

so roach, you just started this thread because you wanted to dis nelson mandela and you thought a really bad story would get it started?

what does your reply to my questions have to do with AIDS and child rape? those things are not caused by politics.

you have a problem with black leaders eh?

What a fucked up country.

Note to Self: Never go to South Africa

What pisses me off is that nobody is doing anything about this. Damn it, why don't we stop sending in "relief groups" and actually DO something?! We've known about the AIDS problem in South Africa for years, and we could have hindered to epidemic, but, no, we thought that a third-world country with a virtually nonexistent educational system in some areas would be able to cope. And now innocent children are being killed in the worst possible way, and those who survive now carry the curse that led to their downfall. This is just insane. We bitch and moan about all the problems in the world, but we don't do shit to resolve them.

As I said, slanted as hell, but check out the pictures.

I don't like to make judgments based on pictures. On American TV they showed some video of Palestinians cheering after 9-11 which later turned out to be many years old. It is too easy to take pictures out of context. This website calls everybody a communist so yes if you attribute all the evils of Africa to communism such as calling Mugabe a communist then communism is the root of africa's problems. Mugabe isn't a communist he is a thug who will do whatever it takes to stay in power. While some communists do that as well he lacks any consistent ideology. Did you read the article entitled "SCRAP ALL PRIVATE PROPERTY IN SOUTH AFRICA" it is bascially a list of complaints by a hardcore communist against the SACP for its noncommunism. It is not exactly a damaging indictment to the South African government.

The CIA's nation factbook describes South Africa's economy by saying:
" South African economic policy is fiscally conservative, but pragmatic, focusing on targeting inflation and liberalizing trade as means to increase job growth and household income."

It doesn't exactly sound like Russia in 1917 to me.

Apart from his repealment of this post, look at my rebuttal above.
*reads Tribes rebuttal*
Ok, so much for that conspiracy.

This thread is going down in terms of legitness, spiring downward to crash-and-burn (or flame)

Its also bollocks. No organisation (responsible or otherwise) would ever make and distribute a disease without creating a cure. And besides, its only just now that science can manipulate proteins into a virus-like shape, let alone implant DNA that makes the virus able to attack cells and replicate, as well as being able to hide within B-cells (?) to avoid detection by the body.
hank you for straightening me out! :D

hank you for straightening me out! :D
My political compass may say I'm a hippie, but inside there is a raging conservative psycho clawing its way out. Rather like alien, only much more vile

It is a well known conspiracy theory that the US engeneered AIDS and HIV and distributed it for some reason (i forget why iam sorry). I myself believe it was enginereed as it doesnt follow patterens of most virus's its all a bit iffy and i think it is possible the americans made it but what proof do i have so........this is all conjecture.
No, actually, it's not. That's a bunch of conspiracy nonsense.

And besides, its only just now that science can manipulate proteins into a virus-like shape, let alone implant DNA that makes the virus able to attack cells and replicate, as well as being able to hide within B-cells (?) to avoid detection by the body.
Well, just so you know, HIV is a retrovirus, and thus has RNA as its genetic material, not DNA. And viruses do not go inside cells to hide...they go inside to replicate. It is the receptor proteins that it mimics that are the hiding part. HIV uses the same receptor protein as the bubonic plague did, and there is a group of people who developed an immuntity to it because their cells did not have htat receptor, so are also immune to HIV. And, just to settle this, there is no goddamned way that humans could have possibly made HIV.

Back to the subject, that is awful and indeed disgusting. There may be some exaggeration for effect, but I don't think there is that much... But the U.S. can not do to much about it now, as we have enough trouble in Iraq. We can send as much of our aid as we want, but we probably can't do much without military action. NOt to mention the fact that South Africa is very, very messed up and that there's not much anyone can do at this point but leave them alone for a while...that's a very cynical view, but there are just too many problems in the world for anyone to try to solve too many.

Its also bollocks. No organisation (responsible or otherwise) would ever make and distribute a disease without creating a cure. And besides, its only just now that science can manipulate proteins into a virus-like shape, let alone implant DNA that makes the virus able to attack cells and replicate, as well as being able to hide within B-cells (?) to avoid detection by the body.

A virus so sneaky, so sly, so, dare I say, perfect that it could only have been cerated by a higher power. Satan, God. Who knows. I believe it is part of the judgement on America and the world for that matter. it's right here in Romans 1
26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[3] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[4] unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Go to the nuclear holocaust thread "Tribes" i gonna beat ya :D

A virus so sneaky, so sly, so, dare I say, perfect that it could only have been cerated by a higher power. Satan, God. Who knows.
You haven't heard about filoviruses, have you? The Ebola virus certainly trumps all others in perfection. It is but one strand of RNA and 7 proteins. It is one of the simplest viruses in existence, but also happens to be the most deadly. It is beautiful in its simplicity. And HIV isn't bad either, just to give it its fair share. Destruction of the immune system over time is a very effective way to exist, as it has the opportunity to reproduce over time, and spread. That is why none of the current "species" of Ebola could become a pandemic--the filoviruses all kill their hosts far too fast to spread to far. But, one thing is certain, it wasn't God or Satan who produced HIV. It was most certianly nature. As to the rest of your post, I didn't understand it at all. Were those Biblical quotations?

Yes, it did. I said, "thanks a lot, Carter, Reagan, and H.W. Bush" because they are partly responsible for the fall of South Africa. They were do desperate to get rid of apartheid that they turned the nation over on a silver platter to the communists, with catastrophic results.

Hmmm, I wonder why Carter, Reagan, and Bush were so fast to turn over SOuth Africa, how about this, does it sound familiar?

FREE SOUTH AFRICA! END APARTHEID! FREE SOUTH AFRICA! END APARTHEID! FREE SOUTH AFRICA! END APARTHEID! FREE SOUTH AFRICA! END APARTHEID! FREE SOUTH AFRICA! END APARTHEID! FREE SOUTH AFRICA! END APARTHEID! FREE SOUTH AFRICA! END APARTHEID! FREE SOUTH AFRICA! END APARTHEID!

Some people never get there way, they say free South Africa asap! But than if the government does it in the quickest way, and the results arent perfect well, here comes the sulking again!

What pisses me off is that nobody is doing anything about this. Damn it, why don't we stop sending in "relief groups" and actually DO something?! We've known about the AIDS problem in South Africa for years, and we could have hindered to epidemic, but, no, we thought that a third-world country with a virtually nonexistent educational system in some areas would be able to cope. And now innocent children are being killed in the worst possible way, and those who survive now carry the curse that led to their downfall. This is just insane. We bitch and moan about all the problems in the world, but we don't do shit to resolve them.

lots of people are trying but its a very tough problem

if it were up to YOU, how would you handle it?

so roach, you just started this thread because you wanted to dis nelson mandela and you thought a really bad story would get it started?

what does your reply to my questions have to do with AIDS and child rape? those things are not caused by politics.

you have a problem with black leaders eh?

No, I do not. My dislike of Mandela and the ANC has nothing to do with their skin color. And in answer to your question, many of my greatest heroes and leaders were blacks: Booker T. Washington, Moise Tshombe, etc.