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I am writing up a peice of coursework on the nations veiw on cloning. This is for my Humanities coursework, so I guess it will prove as a good source of primary research.

1st of all, Do you think that the pros for cloning Humans outweigh its cons.

2nd of all, Is it important to do all we can to heal diseases and things even if it raises moral issues? Please note that stem cell research is involved this study.

And Thirdly, Would clones fit into the world fine, or would they be discriminated against?

I can see from many posts on this forum that we are all very intellectual people. Can you please voice your opinions. A forum based primary research will really suprise my HUMS teacher

Cheers

Rightio well for sayin u didnt survey me at school we can do it now :D
1. i believe cloning is unethical and should be outlawed immediatly, a human should NEVER and i mean NEVER be cloned

2. stem cell research is ok as i myself accept the governments idea that a life is only a life post- 24 weeks so stem cells is ok, only for growing things like hearts and eradicating deisease

3. this issue would never arrise as a worldwide ban on infomation about human cloning and the actual practice of it is in effect indefinatly

there ya go
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Very good, cheers mate.

But you realise that there isn't a world wide ban. Apparently, some Koreans have succefully cloned a kid. Theres no evidence mind, just their word. So I doubt that it is true.

1st of all, Do you think that the pros for cloning Humans outweigh its cons.

Very yes. Think of what being able to grow any necessary body part will do for medical practise. Revolutionary is an understatement.

Actually cloning a human really isn't that meaningful, but it'll probably be an important step in that direction.


2nd of all, Is it important to do all we can to heal diseases and things even if it raises moral issues? Please note that stem cell research is involved this study.


It's really much just the same people that still can't get over abortion complaining.

"It has the potential to become human, but it's human already too! Every sperm is sacred!"


And Thirdly, Would clones fit into the world fine, or would they be discriminated against?


I'm sure that after the hype has passed, they'd be thought of as like twins.
Should probably steer away from religious fundamentalists, but that's healthy advice for anyone.

Personally The God King Eru-sama i think growing an arm is different to cloning a human i have no quarrel with that i just think a sentient life form in its entirety should not be cloned

Very good, cheers mate.

But you realise that there isn't a world wide ban. Apparently, some Koreans have succefully cloned a kid. Theres no evidence mind, just their word. So I doubt that it is true.

Actually, no one has successfully cloned a human being.

The Koreans that performed the study and published their findings was a technique that has the potential to successfully clone a human.

Cloning is extremely difficult because of the problem presented by the cells being cloned are too old to survive for long. That was why Dolly had a fairly short life. I am strongly for stem cell research, but not cloning. What is the intended purpose for cloning? To make Bokinovsky twins, from Brave New World? (I can not believe I remembered his name!) Cloning is just silly and wasteful in my opinion, but stem cell research can be about as revolutionary as learning to patch a wound. Yes, that f**king incredible.

I agree with God King Eru-sama,

your involved in a car crash and you need a new heart, but due to lax organ donating you don't get one and die, or you do get one, but you have to spend the rest of your (short) life on a cocktail of drugs that supress your immune system leaving you open to a whole bunch of dieseases,

imagine instead if you had a cloned heart waiting at the hospital for you, its your heart so no rejection and no drugs, so you get to live your life to its end,

so i think that cloning body parts is perfectly fine and "morally" acceptable, but the cloning of entire humans I view as no big deal, more as a scientific enivitability

1) Cloning humans, I just think it's unneccesary, there is no reason to clone a lost child, since though it may look the same it will be different, same goes for pets. For extinct animals, I kind of like the idea to be able to study an animal we destroyed and do research. Some may argue that this simply means we will needlessly destroy the environment because we will no longer have the fear of causing extinction. I find this false, because now we have a chance to right the mistake and return the world to it's original form.

2) I support medicinal cloning. Simply because it can give us a second chance at a normal life. We aren't cloning entire human beings and harvesting organs, we are cloning a blob of cells into a new organ.

3)Under current society, yes they would, since they are different, they are not 'natural'. Perhaps in a new culture they wouldn't but clones are to me unnecessary so there is no point in predicting or not.

1. Deffinatly. We can use the clones to do jobs regular humans shouldnt(like do suicide missions or such.) We could also use them to make the perfect army(a la CLone Wars.

2. Sure. We can test all sorts of nasty deseases on clones and then test our cures on them! We'd be SAVED!

3. Clones would probably be treated as half-human/half-not. They'd TECHNICALLY be humans, but theyd all be either test subjects, extreme workers, or super-soldiers.

I believe that it is unethical amd immoral to clone humans and I even have a problem with animal cloning...But to be hinest I do not think a human will ever be successfully clone despite wha tKorean Scientists say....MAn can not create a soul and without a soul humans do not live....And as to the question curing ailments and growing body parts I feel it is very unethical to harvest life to save life and a bit of a dicotomy...And as to stem cell research I say no to fetal stem cell research due to the fact that science has not found any benefits from it...Now adult stem cell research is fine and the only proven successful method advancement...I will gladly entertain any VERIFIABLE evidence to the contrary....Thanx and have a good day...

I agree with God King Eru-sama,

your involved in a car crash and you need a new heart, but due to lax organ donating you don't get one and die, or you do get one, but you have to spend the rest of your (short) life on a cocktail of drugs that supress your immune system leaving you open to a whole bunch of dieseases,

imagine instead if you had a cloned heart waiting at the hospital for you, its your heart so no rejection and no drugs, so you get to live your life to its end,

so i think that cloning body parts is perfectly fine and "morally" acceptable, but the cloning of entire humans I view as no big deal, more as a scientific enivitability
Just a technical point....Car crash victims to not receive heart transplants...You have to be a verifiable and worthy recipient suffering from some form of chronic organ shut down or failure tha tis not brought on by self abuse....(ie: liver failure due to chronic alcoholism...)

I believe that it is unethical amd immoral to clone humans and I even have a problem with animal cloning...But to be hinest I do not think a human will ever be successfully clone despite wha tKorean Scientists say....MAn can not create a soul and without a soul humans do not live....And as to the question curing ailments and growing body parts I feel it is very unethical to harvest life to save life and a bit of a dicotomy...And as to stem cell research I say no to fetal stem cell research due to the fact that science has not found any benefits from it...Now adult stem cell research is fine and the only proven successful method advancement...I will gladly entertain any VERIFIABLE evidence to the contrary....Thanx and have a good day...
Do people actually still believe that humans have a soul separate from the body? I guess I am just too used to my secular life... Praytell, how do humans come about? WHo makes humans? OH, THAT'S RIGHT, HUMANS DO! "Souls" are produced, according to you I guess, when a sperm enters an egg. This creates a whole new unicellular organism, zygote if you want to be specific. Which means that all new organisms must have a soul. Even prokaryotic archæbacteria, because they undergo binary fission (do I remember right?), and thus create new life. And I get seriously pissed whenever someone says that "Almost all of stem cell research can be done with adult stem cells or umbilical chord cells". Would like to take a guess where most useful stem cells are? In the embryo! The fœtus! It's not true!

And please, do not bring in dichotomy into this...I'm too used to dichotomous keys to hear some creationist use the word...it hurts...

1st of all, Do you think that the pros for cloning Humans outweigh its cons.

yes.

2nd of all, Is it important to do all we can to heal diseases and things even if it raises moral issues? Please note that stem cell research is involved this study.
"moral" issues generally just means "the complaints of people who don't understand the science they are protesting." anybody who wants their opinion to matter on the subject of cloning should have to study human genetics, physiology, and development for a semester at an accreditted university, and anybody who doesn't do that has no "morals" that are relavent on the subject.


And Thirdly, Would clones fit into the world fine, or would they be discriminated against?

a human clone would be EXACTLY the same as an identical twin, with the single difference that it would probably be born at a different time than the donor was born. indeed, this factor means that a clone would likely be LESS similar to its donor than identical twins are to each other, since the clones would likely not have shared the same uterine environment and upbringing. there would be no grounds for withholding any rights from clones that are granted to other humans, any more than we can deny rights to babies conceived through other artificial means.

I am writing up a peice of coursework on the nations veiw on cloning. This is for my Humanities coursework, so I guess it will prove as a good source of primary research.

1st of all, Do you think that the pros for cloning Humans outweigh its cons.

2nd of all, Is it important to do all we can to heal diseases and things even if it raises moral issues? Please note that stem cell research is involved this study.

And Thirdly, Would clones fit into the world fine, or would they be discriminated against?

I can see from many posts on this forum that we are all very intellectual people. Can you please voice your opinions. A forum based primary research will really suprise my HUMS teacher

Cheers

IMO
1. Benefits of cloning far outweigh any disbenefits, but only for medical purposes - with stem cells and cloning of tissues & organs. People should not be cloned fully - to 'maturity' if you will. Even if (full, non-medical) cloning was to be available to all equally (ie avoiding a case where only the rich can afford cloning and thus society ends up with a very odd moral dichotomy) then this would still be immoral.

2. Taking life from real, fully grown people is wrong. However using embryos in stem cell synthesis, in my opinion, is justified as it opens so many doors to new medical cures. Yes, we should do all we can to heal diseases and embryonic cloning for stem cells does not cross the moral boundry to 'wrong'.

3. Clones would be discriminated against if there was some clear way of telling they were clones - not the 'original'.

Personally I'd love to have a clone! Id send him out to work and Uni while I just kick it back & drink beer all day :D

1st of all, Do you think that the pros for cloning Humans outweigh its cons
Human cloning? No - To me, by cloning somebody you are delibrately destroying their individuality (ok you may think 'what about twins?' but that's a whole different story)

Therapudic cloning (the cloning of individual organs) however, I support.

2nd of all, Is it important to do all we can to heal diseases and things even if it raises moral issues? Please note that stem cell research is involved this study.
I personally think we can skip the whole 'moral issues' thing by researching adult stem cells - they have been shown to have just as much potential as embryotic stem cells (click Here (http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics4.asp) for more info)

And Thirdly, Would clones fit into the world fine, or would they be discriminated against?
I am not sure . . . I get the feeling that there would be some descrimination, but I worry most about is the clones being treated as 'sub-humans'

And as a side note, the same situation could occur for those who are Genetically Engineered (and some of the GE people might regard themself as a 'master race')