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People constantly harp about how much they hate discrimination, but it always seems like it's not considered discrimination when you're against the majority.

If I came on here (or anywhere in the country really) and said I hated Jews and Muslims, I'd probably get shot or something (exaggeration obviously), but if I said I hated Christians, people would just be like meh.

Same with race, if I said I hate Blacks, then I could get in SO much shit. But if I said I hate whites, well, no one really cares.

This seems to hold true for every single thing out there.

So how do you people guilty of this justify discrimination just because it's against the majority when you preach that discrimination is wrong?

Actaully, I hate all types of descriminators equally

Well obviously this doesn't apply to everyone, but you can't deny that plenty of people ARE guilty of this.

It's like how black people can have a black Mrs. America, but, if we had a white Mrs. America, it'd be racist.

I loathe any form of separatism. :mad: I don't care what it is. By separating the population into smaller and smaller pressure groups, governments keep populations controllable by pitting the factions against each other. Divide and conquer, hey? :sniper:

The same thing bugs me. America has a screwed up soceity. It's okay if a black person hates white people. People don't make a huge deal of it. However, if you discriminate against black people, it becomes a major issue. Another example would be the "n word." I hear African Americans use it all the time. Apparently, it is okay for them to say it. When a white person says it, on the other hand, people will get offended & angry. It's pure hypocrisy!

I'm also reminded of an episode of South Park, which I think displayed, in a humorous sorta way, just how screwed up soceity is when is comes to discrimination. Cartman hit a boy who happened to be African American. On the sole fact that Cartman was white & he had hit a black, it became a hate crime.

Also, it's really annoying when people use "it's because I'm black" as an assumed reason for things.

ALL discrimination is bad, whether against the majority OR the minority. Same people say the U.S. isn't a racially divided nation anymore, but in many ways, we aren't.

Hm, yes I've noticed this...

At my school, we have a black club, an asian club, and a hispanic club. A friend of mine once tried to start a white club. But no, that would be racist, the administration said...

On the other hand, by the very essence of being the majority, the majority doesn't need any speciall clubs or protections from hatred. After all, most people ARE them, so can't very well discriminate against them. Thus, the majority cannot be majorly hurt by discrimination.

As a muslim, I agree.

I am constantly disgusted by the way the godless heathens on this forum think it is perfectly acceptable to insult fellow people of the Book, because they tactitly assume that only christians are capable of evil.

I shall laugh last however when Allah judges them.

This reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask...

Why is it that in the US you are not a lawyer, a chef or a doctor (for example) - you're a (again, for example)black lawyer, a white chef or a korean doctor? It seems to me that those sorts of labelling attitudes would increase perception of "differences". It's something I've really only come across in the US media and I can't see any rational reason for it. Is it actually the case? I've seen it on both fictional and non-fictional presentations. If it is common, don't you realise that it emphasises the least important aspect of a human? It's very weird.....

In the UK we have the "Diamond" car insurence which exclusively offers its services to women, and the MOBO awards (Music of Black origin, started in 1997 when Racisim was not a severe problem). But if we set up MOWO's or "Ruby" car insurence for men only, surely we would get accused of racesism/sexism respectively. But why?

I loathe any form of separatism. :mad: I don't care what it is. By separating the population into smaller and smaller pressure groups, governments keep populations controllable by pitting the factions against each other. Divide and conquer, hey? :sniper:

Yes. Promoting racism, sexism, homophobia and religious intolerance seems to be a mainstay of American politicians. Afterall, if ordinary citizens keep blaming each other for all the "bad stuff" they won't see how much shit the politicial and corporate elite (who are really the same) are getting away with.

I agree. As a Hispanic, I even think that discrimination against the majority is also discrimination vs minorities, at least in the current form. Affirmative Action, for instance, is essentially saying that Hispanics or Blacks in general need help, because we're for some reason not equal to Whites. Not poor minorities, but all of them - its perverse really.

I loathe any form of separatism. I don't care what it is. By separating the population into smaller and smaller pressure groups, governments keep populations controllable by pitting the factions against each other. Divide and conquer, hey?

Exactly!

The blacks can have a Black Entertainment Telivision...but if someone started White Entertainment Telivision, someone would raise hell. Besides that, who would watch a TV station called WET?

Yeah, and I don't even understand it. I'm a black, and I do my best, make straight A+'s in my AP classes, and so now people call me an "oreo", black on the outside and white on the inside. I would just LOVE the argument they put up that says to be black you have to be dumb. It would be so incredibly BACKWARDS.

But what I say is, "If you are going to discriminate discriminate equally." If we are open-minded, then we will discriminate equally or not at all.

The same thing bugs me. America has a screwed up soceity. It's okay if a black person hates white people. People don't make a huge deal of it. However, if you discriminate against black people, it becomes a major issue.
Well, hate and discrimination are entirely different things. Hate is a feeling, and discrimination is an act. Also, the majority is white; white people hold most positions of authority, and can do much more to oppress blacks than blacks could do to oppress whites. There's less of them, they aren't in most positions of authority, so it is pretty much impossible for any oppression to occur. The same cannot be said of whites oppressing blacks.
Maybe people shouldn't hate, but they are well within their rights to. Discrimination is another thing entirely, and it can do a great deal of harm, though not necessarily.

The blacks can have a Black Entertainment Telivision...but if someone started White Entertainment Telivision, someone would raise hell. Besides that, who would watch a TV station called WET?
I would say most channels ARE White Entertainment Television. There's no need for one.

I would say most channels ARE White Entertainment Television. There's no need for one.Perhaps they are, but are they called white entertainment television? I think that was the point being made.

Some people ignore or do not understand the fact that white people enslaved black people for hundreds of years and that america used to legally classify blacks as second-class citizens without basic rights.

Black people have every reason to hold a grudge against whites.

White people on the other hand are largely responsible for the ills of blacks and have no grounds other that idiocy on which to hate them.

Perhaps they are, but are they called white entertainment television? I think that was the point being made.

Yeah. That's my point. It's the same thing with Black history month. There's nothing wrong with it, but why couldn't we have a white history month? The argument is the same, "Because every other month is white history month". Really, it's not. Also, you mentioned that every other channel is white entertainment? Flip on MTV. Vh1. ESPN. What do you see? Blacks. Just pointing this out.

All prejudicial discrimination crap created by small-minded people, regardless of whether the subject of the discrimination is white, black, christian, muslim, or whatever.

I discriminate equally - I hate people.

Some people ignore or do not understand the fact that white people enslaved black people for hundreds of years and that america used to legally classify blacks as second-class citizens without basic rights.

Black people have every reason to hold a grudge against whites.

White people on the other hand are largely responsible for the ills of blacks and have no grounds other that idiocy on which to hate them.

No they have no right to hold a grudge against white. It was nearly a hundred and fifty years ago that slavery ended, and fifty years ago when the blacks got their full rights. Today's society has done nothing to discriminate against black people, it's helped much more than it hurt. Affirmitive action, anyone?

It's like how black people can have a black Mrs. America, but, if we had a white Mrs. America, it'd be racist.
Yeah. On the other hand, there was 400 years of slavery, so an exclusive beauty pagent isn't really on the same level.

No they have no right to hold a grudge against white. It was nearly a hundred and fifty years ago that slavery ended, and fifty years ago when the blacks got their full rights. Today's society has done nothing to discriminate against black people, it's helped much more than it hurt. Affirmitive action, anyone?

Affirmative action is a step in the right direction, but bear in mind george bush and his sort of people fight viciously to end even that.

You crakers be hating!!!

Affirmative action is a step in the right direction, but bear in mind george bush and his sort of people fight viciously to end even that.

Affirmitive action is a step in the wrong direction. It hurts the business. Capitalism isn't about creating equality, it's about one investing his money in hopes of a profit, in the hopes of a better life for him and his family. Now, say, in this instance, a company is interviewing 4 candidates for a job. 3 are black, the other is white. The black men all have qualifications above that of the white man, but the store owner has already filled his qouta on blacks, and is forced to hire the white man, who turns out to be a complete moron. Smart move.

Abolishing affirmitive action isn't about opressing the minority, it's about conserving capitalism. Also, I was only trying to make the point that our society has done more to help blacks than hurt them, so they have nothing to complain about.

Check, please.

we should end afirmitive action! Why does a black man, equaly qualified, get into college over me, just cause hes black? And if i manage to get in, im working ym ass off to pay tuition. hes on a full black scholrship. and why am i white and blacks afrocan american. im more european ameica hen they are africab anerican! the day a black man is called afrocan american by me is da day that im called a european american!!

Quite frankly, the only thing we owe to anybody black is what we owe to anybody white.

What your ancestors did 150 years ago - nobody gives a damn. I say your ancestors because mine were all immigrants in the 1900's.

I'm not being racist, just looking at it from a perspective that you aren't allowed to.

we should end afirmitive action! Why does a black man, equaly qualified, get into college over me, just cause hes black? And if i manage to get in, im working ym ass off to pay tuition. hes on a full black scholrship. and why am i white and blacks afrocan american. im more european ameica hen they are africab anerican! the day a black man is called afrocan american by me is da day that im called a european american!!

You're planning to go to college? :confused:

Some people ignore or do not understand the fact that white people enslaved black people for hundreds of years and that america used to legally classify blacks as second-class citizens without basic rights.

Black people have every reason to hold a grudge against whites.

White people on the other hand are largely responsible for the ills of blacks and have no grounds other that idiocy on which to hate them.

Idiot. Why are we responsible for what other people did? All you have done is generalize, which is a form of discrimination. Black people have more rights now, and despite the fact that this is discrimination against whites, it is acceptable because a bunch of people who are dead discriminated against another bunch of people who are also dead. How the fuck can you encourage favoring one race and still call yourself fair? People like you disgust me.

Idiot. Why are we responsible for what other people did? All you have done is generalize, which is a form of discrimination. Black people have more rights now, and despite the fact that this is discrimination against whites, it is acceptable because a bunch of people who are dead discriminated against another bunch of people who are also dead. How the fuck can you encourage favoring one race and still call yourself fair? People like you disgust me.

Slow down, buddy. I agree with you, but you don't have to attack the dude.

The U.S. isn't the only country with this problem. South Africa is, too. The world media went absolutely ape sh** over apartheid, yet is entirely indifferent to the ongoing brutal murders of white Afrikaaner farmers currently taking place (these were ordinary people, with absolutely no affiliation with the former National Party or apartheid).

Because in order to achieve equality, we must give other people more privileges. Yeah, that's equality all right...

I think all this PC nonsense with regards to race is basically a way to make people happy without really doing anything to help them. Its like sorry about the crappy schools, the mass incarceration, the cop beatings and the mass unemployment but don't worry if somebody refers to you as "black" rather than "african american" we will label them a racist. It is pretty stupid especially since "black" was a term popularized by the black power movement.

It is sort of like how under recent changes in overtime laws now thanks to the Republicans it is much easier to label someone a managerial or executive employee so they don't qualify for overtime pay. Sure they take a massive blow to their paycheck but they get the honor of some worthless title which is supposed make them feel good.

I think America needs a new national holiday, National Political Incorrectness Day. A day were all people can call (examples): blacks "niggers', whites "crackers", hispanics "spics", asians "chinks", women "bitches", men "pigs", handicaps "cripples", mentally-challenged "retards", cops "pigs", teenagers "pot-heads", etc, etc. This way, everybody gets equally discriminated upon and, hopefully, everybody becomes more aware of the tattered state of society and try to actually build a civilization based on merit and not ethnicity.

Slow down, buddy. I agree with you, but you don't have to attack the dude.
It's true, I don't, but what would be the fun in that?

I think America needs a new national holiday, National Political Incorrectness Day. A day were all people can call (examples): blacks "niggers', whites "crackers", hispanics "spics", asians "chinks", women "bitches", men "pigs", handicaps "cripples", mentally-challenged "retards", cops "pigs", teenagers "pot-heads", etc, etc. This way, everybody gets equally discriminated upon and, hopefully, everybody becomes more aware of the tattered state of society and try to actually build a civilization based on merit and not ethnicity.
It would be fun once. But after we had to clean up the mountains of bodies in the streets from all the race riots we would probably decide to cancel it.

Some people ignore or do not understand the fact that white people enslaved black people for hundreds of years and that america used to legally classify blacks as second-class citizens without basic rights.

Black people have every reason to hold a grudge against whites.

White people on the other hand are largely responsible for the ills of blacks and have no grounds other that idiocy on which to hate them.

Blacks had enslaved each other LONG before white Europeans came around to Africa, despite the common idea that it was the Europeans that introduced it to them. If they want to blame anyone, they should blame themselves.

Quite frankly, the only thing we owe to anybody black is what we owe to anybody white.

What your ancestors did 150 years ago - nobody gives a damn. I say your ancestors because mine were all immigrants in the 1900's.

I'm not being racist, just looking at it from a perspective that you aren't allowed to.

I agree with that. My family came to the United States in 1949. I don't believe that I owe any African-Americans reparations for the sins of the past.

Idiot. Why are we responsible for what other people did? All you have done is generalize, which is a form of discrimination. Black people have more rights now, and despite the fact that this is discrimination against whites, it is acceptable because a bunch of people who are dead discriminated against another bunch of people who are also dead. How the fuck can you encourage favoring one race and still call yourself fair? People like you disgust me.



You may not have gotten to this part in your history class yet, but when was the civil rights movement?

When were blacks given basic rights and put on equal legal footing with whites?

Blacks had enslaved each other LONG before white Europeans came around to Africa, despite the common idea that it was the Europeans that introduced it to them. If they want to blame anyone, they should blame themselves.



I was unaware that black american planatation owners had black slaves in the south and that black american governors and black america legislators were responsible for the legal and social bondage placed on blacks until the civil rights movement.


Perhaps if we were discussing relations between two african nations then the idea of africans enslaving africans would be relevent.

We are talking about the history of american whites doing wrong to american blacks.

I once noticed in my hometown newspaper (the Chicago Tribune), women get an entire section once a week whereas men get one page buried in another section once a week. I asked my mom and she explained that "men get the entire newspaper." I don't agree.

The U.S. isn't the only country with this problem. South Africa is, too. The world media went absolutely ape sh** over apartheid, yet is entirely indifferent to the ongoing brutal murders of white Afrikaaner farmers currently taking place (these were ordinary people, with absolutely no affiliation with the former National Party or apartheid).

and just look at zimbabwe

I chalk it all up to white guilt

I was unaware that black american planatation owners had black slaves in the south

believe it or not it did happen

there were freed blacks in the south for hundreds of years and there certianly were no laws against blacks owning slaves

believe it or not it did happen



Do kindly provide some citations for that.

Do kindly provide some citations for that.

http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm
I googled it. Not sure if this is 'unbiased', I didnt reallly read it.

Do kindly provide some citations for that.

I'll I've got off hand is a US history lecture, but someone probobly has something

A strawman in any case.

Bear in mind, the question was posed rhetorically in response to a statement that because "blacks had enslaved blacks [in tribes, in africa]" then white people were not responsible for the harm they have caused black people in america through their enslavement of them.

we should end afirmitive action! Why does a black man, equaly qualified, get into college over me, just cause hes black?

and why exactly should you get in before him because you are white? i'd say you've got a bit of assumed white privilege clouding your thinking.

if candidates are equally qualified in other respects, then we must make a decision based on other things. and since there is a disproportionate distribution of education, wealth, and high social status jobs along (socially defined) racial lines, we should make fixing that situation into an additional qualification.

and why exactly should you get in before him because you are white? i'd say you've got a bit of assumed white privilege clouding your thinking.

if candidates are equally qualified in other respects, then we must make a decision based on other things. and since there is a disproportionate distribution of education, wealth, and high social status jobs along (socially defined) racial lines, we should make fixing that situation into an additional qualification.

I think his point is that neither should be chosen over the other. Obviosly you pick the Mexican kid.

Black people have more rights now

name them. go on, put them in list form for me.

How the fuck can you encourage favoring one race and still call yourself fair? People like you disgust me.

because your only options are to deal with another generation or two of some form of reformist racial equality program so that the social revolution can sweep away the historic social inequalities, or have a full on revolution that does so by force. because we aren't going back.

until such time as education and access to prestige and wealth are not distributed by race (and the social after-effects of the lack of legal rights within living memory), you cannot call anything fair.

and why exactly should you get in before him because you are white? i'd say you've got a bit of assumed white privilege clouding your thinking.

if candidates are equally qualified in other respects, then we must make a decision based on other things. and since there is a disproportionate distribution of education, wealth, and high social status jobs along (socially defined) racial lines, we should make fixing that situation into an additional qualification.

he's not saying he should get in over anybody cause he's white, he's saying it should be a level playing ground. college admissions and the like should be about how qualified you are, not wether some one of your skin color did something bad to someone of another skin color 150 years ago

and just look at zimbabwe

I chalk it all up to white guilt

Zimbabwe's different, though. Prior to Mugabe's presidency, racism in that country was virtually non-existent. Blacks and whites both enjoyed the same rights, and the two races co-existed harmoniously. Communists always claim to be champions of racial equality, when in reality they do everything they can to instigate conflict between races.

It's like how black people can have a black Mrs. America, but, if we had a white Mrs. America, it'd be racist.

You can't look at this issue without understanding the history of racial bigotry and separatism in the United States. For a long time, Ms. America and Ms. USA WERE defacto Ms. White America and Ms. White USA. It is only in the last 15 years or so that minorities have fared well in these pageants. You should feel comfortable in the fact that many of the Ms Hypenated America pageants are become less and less popular, and women of all types are participating in unified pageants.

The larger issue, of course, is one of cause and effect. It is false logic to compare discrimination by the minority to discrimination by the majority. One is reactionary, the other historical. This doesn't make either form justified---just different.

I hate everybody equaly. No wait, I love everybody equaly. Man! The line between love and hate is so very thin! :fluffle: / :upyours:

he's not saying he should get in over anybody cause he's white, he's saying it should be a level playing ground. college admissions and the like should be about how qualified you are, not wether some one of your skin color did something bad to someone of another skin color 150 years ago

his situation included the idea that they were equal in other respects.

and legal discrimination was only ended 35-40 years ago. and that was mostly 'words on paper' as far as many places were concerned, and they still had to be forced to accept it. and that is just the overt legally sanctioned racism, and not the larger problems of structural and institutional racism. we're talking about things that only started to change when my parents were in high school and college. this is recent fucking history here. so let's not pretend it all ended 150 years ago.

Some people ignore or do not understand the fact that white people enslaved black people for hundreds of years and that america used to legally classify blacks as second-class citizens without basic rights.

Black people have every reason to hold a grudge against whites.

White people on the other hand are largely responsible for the ills of blacks and have no grounds other that idiocy on which to hate them.
So you are saying that Christians have a right to have a grudge against Jews for killing Jesus, or that Jews have a right to have a grudge against all Germans for the Holocaust, or that Muslims have a right to have a grudge against all Christians for the Crusades, or that Americans have a right to have a grudge against all Japanese for Pearl Harbor? "White people" are not responsible for the ills of blacks, at least not living ones. Hell, if you wanted to play the blame game, why not blame the African cheiftans who kidnapped people to sell to European slavers? Saying that black people have a right to hold a grudge against whites in contradictory to your whole "everyone is their own individual in a diverse world" bullshit because you are endorsing the stereotyping of races.

Why the hell are people so worked up about what happened with people of their race 150 years ago?

As others have pointed out before me, blacks owned slaves as well. Actually I didn't know this before, but I did a little research on it after reading it, and I found a fair amount actually.

About affirmative action, it's ridiculous. I was doing some research on some universities I'm planning on applying at, and came across statistics on the students by race.

Why is it that in almost every one of them, asian's are there in disproportionately high %s (as compared to population)? So much for the idea that you need to be a rich white person. So, really, since no race is better than any other, if we removed affirmative action, it would logically follow that blacks/hispanics/whatever else would be there in equally proportionate numbers (by population) as whites, correct? Or do you honestly think universities would want a white person over a black person whose more qualified?

Currently with affirmative action, it is VERY possible that a black person will be accepted over a more qualified white person, does that make sense to you?

I'm chinese, but I don't, and no chinese person I know demands reparations or demands special treatment of ANY sort for the fact hundreds (if not more) chinese died working under what were virtually slave labor conditions (worse really) building the Canadian railway. Over a hundred years later, are we bitching and whining about it? NO.

The points about black history month, BET, etc. are also very valid arguments.

Now I'm not white, but for the sake of the argument lets say I were. My parents came to North America in 1980. Why would I owe blacks ANYTHING for what happened to their ancestors 150 years ago? Or even 40 years ago?

1) racists come on here all the time. If they don't actully flame others they stay until they get bored. Which they do, since they tend to have one-track minds and feel left out of most conversations if we don't let them hijack other threads. Whotes can say they hate Blacks, Blacks can say they hate Whites, and they won't get banned unless they flame, use racist slurs, etc.

2) religions, and political parties, are belief systems, and thus are open to debate, unlike races.

3) it is just as ignorent and stupid for a Black to hate all Whites as it is for a White to hate all Blacks, same with Jews/Christians, Democrats/Republicans, Mods/Rockers, Coke/Pepsi, tastes great/less filling, etc./etc.

4) except for hating the French. They suck wet smelly ass! ;)

5) just kidding! :D

1) racists come on here all the time. If they don't actully flame others they stay until they get bored. Which they do, since they tend to have one-track minds and feel left out of most conversations if we don't let them hijack other threads. Whotes can say they hate Blacks, Blacks can say they hate Whites, and they won't get banned unless they flame, use racist slurs, etc.

2) religions, and political parties, are belief systems, and thus are open to debate, unlike races.

3) it is just as ignorent and stupid for a Black to hate all Whites as it is for a White to hate all Blacks, same with Jews/Christians, Democrats/Republicans, Mods/Rockers, Coke/Pepsi, tastes great/less filling, etc./etc.

4) except for hating the French. They suck wet smelly ass! ;)

5) just kidding! :D

4. :o Je te déteste!

As a muslim, I agree.

I am constantly disgusted by the way the godless heathens on this forum think it is perfectly acceptable to insult fellow people of the Book, because they tactitly assume that only christians are capable of evil.

I shall laugh last however when Allah judges them.
Althought I do not agree with the teachinhs of your religion I say THANKYOU for your post....Christians are quite easliy the most hated and railed against group on this site....Than you again....

it is a one sided operation, blacks can make fun of whites all they want, you hear a white person make a joke about blacks it is a terrible act, the biggest problem with our society is that the minorites blame everything on the majorities, when really they should grow up and move on, just because you were slaves hundreds of years ago doesn't mean you are now, and if you still base all your claims on that or the color of your skin or whatever the case maybe you are just being a baby and need to grow up, i do not hate races i hate the fact that instead of trin to progress they complain and do nothin, sure there is a few progressive people everywhere, but complaining about the "man" and doing nothin to change your situation is stupidity, when they stop using their energy to whine and start using it to grow into a more productive member of society it will be much better, and another thing is the need to diversify the work place or schools and what not is a bunch of bull, if they can't cut it then fire them, if they are not qualified you shouldn't hire them, but as it stands today, you fire someone of a minority group it is a crime of hate, even if they are stealing from you or just genrally doin a poor job, this needs to change, no longer should anything be based on what color you are or where you come from, we are a more refined people in general and need to act as such, oh and i have another tangent to go on before i get off my soap box, poor and the rich, people are constantally trin to punish the rich for reaching that goal, sure many are bore to riches but on the other hand some are building them on their own, so when poor people complain about the rich lookin down on them or whatever, then they should try to change it, sure there is some cases where it is virtually impossible to change your situation because of medical reasons and what have you but fro the most part the poor stay poor becuase of their lack of drive, and their complacency with their status, so STOP WHINING and get off your lazy ass and do somthin productive, that goes for anyone that is complaing about somthin that could be changed if given effort

The whole "affirmative action" / "positive discrimination" thing really peeves me. Currently in Australia, Indigenous people can score lower on their uni entrance exams and still be admitted into degrees like medicine. I don't know about you guys, but when it comes to cutting out my bits I would rather have the most qualified doctor, not the most PC one.

And before anyone makes any assumptions, I'm just about the perfect colour to get discriminated against by all sorts of people. I get white racists hassling me for being a "darky" and black racists hassling me for being a "white ****". :rolleyes:

So there ya go.....

and why exactly should you get in before him because you are white? i'd say you've got a bit of assumed white privilege clouding your thinking.

if candidates are equally qualified in other respects, then we must make a decision based on other things. and since there is a disproportionate distribution of education, wealth, and high social status jobs along (socially defined) racial lines, we should make fixing that situation into an additional qualification.
but it should not be based on race, that is completely lame, if they have the same test scores both excetionally good at sports and have high gpas then look at somthin else, interview them, do somthin but basing a decision like that on their color is bull shit

I think all this PC nonsense with regards to race is basically a way to make people happy without really doing anything to help them. Its like sorry about the crappy schools, the mass incarceration, the cop beatings and the mass unemployment but don't worry if somebody refers to you as "black" rather than "african american" we will label them a racist. It is pretty stupid especially since "black" was a term popularized by the black power movement.

It is sort of like how under recent changes in overtime laws now thanks to the Republicans it is much easier to label someone a managerial or executive employee so they don't qualify for overtime pay. Sure they take a massive blow to their paycheck but they get the honor of some worthless title which is supposed make them feel good.
what i dont' understand is "african american" that is stupid, unless of course they recentally came over from africa and are now citizens, but i would call them americans, who the fuck cares what color they are or their ancestry, if thats what we wre goin on then it would probably be more acurate to call me a, italian,scottish,english,german, american, and like wise with them, like a kenyan,rawandan,south african, american

You may not have gotten to this part in your history class yet, but when was the civil rights movement?

When were blacks given basic rights and put on equal legal footing with whites?
so what, we are talkin about the present, blacks have just as many rights now as whites if not more so, they can take anyone to court and sue them for lookin at them funny, that to me is bull

I was unaware that black american planatation owners had black slaves in the south and that black american governors and black america legislators were responsible for the legal and social bondage placed on blacks until the civil rights movement.


Perhaps if we were discussing relations between two african nations then the idea of africans enslaving africans would be relevent.

We are talking about the history of american whites doing wrong to american blacks.
hello blacks owned blacks then, ever heard of the famous quote that goes somthin like, i whipped two slaves and a mule today, that was a black guy that owned them, but i am sure it was alright for a black to own a black

I would say most channels ARE White Entertainment Television. There's no need for one.
ever watch a tv there always has to be a minorty, in programs, in commercials just about everything

Affirmative action is a step in the right direction, but bear in mind george bush and his sort of people fight viciously to end even that.
affirmative action is a step in the wrong direction, what would be a step in the right direction would be doin away with racial identification, sure you can't erase your color, or put a new one on, but on documents that is exactly what needs to be done, then there is only the qualification factor rather than a color factor

Why is it that in almost every one of them, asian's are there in disproportionately high %s (as compared to population)? So much for the idea that you need to be a rich white person. So, really, since no race is better than any other

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It depends on how you define "better."

The average IQ of blacks is roughly 85, whereas the white average is about 100, and the asian (meaning Chinese or Japanese) is around 106 (though I've read the standard deviation isn't as large as whites). IQ scores are the best predictors of future earning potential and typically whatever we define as "success" in society (less likely to get AIDS, for instance, as a result of more intelligent behaviour).

If by "better" we mean "more intelligent," as your post seems to indicate, indeed some races ARE better than others, on average. Naturally, this knowledge is taboo in this delightful PC age the Jewish media/government has created for us, but there are several books you can check out to circumvent the thought police. Some excellent ones which come to mind are "The Bell Curve" (1994) , which has supposedly been "debunked," (but not really), which explains IQ and intelligence testing and the racial differences which seem to be largely hereditary. An even more academic book is "The g Factor" by Arthur Jensen. In it, he explains how the skull size of the average black is smaller than whites' or asians', brain mass/volume is less, etc.

Interesting facts which you most certainly won't learn in your highschool anatomy class and probably not in our colleges of Higher PC Indoctrination.

Ok, speaking as somebody who finds the entire species to be insane, and mocks all aspects of it, albeit in differant ways...

Slavery - It does tend to extend past the whole american experience you know. I mean, in pre-colonial africa, many tribes kept slaves from other tribes. Heck, when they came along the whites generally got some of the tribes to do all the work for them. Also, lots of white slaves in much of europes history. The romans, greeks and norse all had them for certain. There's a good chance every person you've met has a slave somewhere in their family history. When you get right down to it, there's not that much of a differance between being a medieval serf and a slave. It's always been horrible, it always will be horrible. But it is, historically, a nearly universal horror. Just adding some perspective.

Affirmative Action - Is what's known as "treating the symptom rather than the problem". It's cheaper to lower admission standards, than to provide proper education and economic supports to disadvantaged people, which would result in them scoring better.

Reparations - Screw the idea of direct reparations (ie. here's $500, go away), and instead use the money to provide daycare for single mothers, better education for their kids, free education upgrades for their adults who didn't complete highschool, etc. The money will go farther, and may actually <gasp> solve the problem. Or at least help to.

Discrimination against the Majority - It's not any better to be anti-christian than it is to be anti-jew, anti-muslim, anti-athiest or whatever. Mind you, it's not worse either. However, it's more understandable. Face it - christians have done more evil things in europe and north america in the last thousand years than non-christians. It had less to do with the fact that they were christians, than that they were the majority. If you have 90% of the population in your group, chances are you're going to have a really large chunk of the mass murders, psychos and the like aswell. At least some of them are going to get into positions of authority, and use that authority, in the name of your group, to do bad stuff.



Personally, I've found that humans are, by and large, irrational, if not stupid. Worse, none of us seem to believe that we are, or rather, don't believe that it applies to ourselves aswell as those around us. Most people seem to have this deep-seated belief that they are OK, and that everything that's wrong with the world is just that - a fault in the world.

If the first step is to admit the problem, our species is in a state of perpetual denial. We take things like racism, and act as if they were the problems, instead of symptoms of deeper flaws.

That's not to say we should ignore the symtoms, just recognize them for what they are, and deal with them as such.



And in the meanwhile, everybody should learn to relax, and laugh a little. Most of life is funny, if you look at it the right way.

Just looking to answer the original question of this post, so I won't touch on the other related issues raised...

Why is it "alright" to discriminate against the majority, but not the minority?

I think it boils down to the good old saying of, "Pick on someone your own size!"

It's "alright" to beat up the big kid... But when you start punching the little kid, that's not "fair"...

And I think that pretty much covers it... It's the same sentiment...

I was unaware that black american planatation owners had black slaves in the south and that black american governors and black america legislators were responsible for the legal and social bondage placed on blacks until the civil rights movement.


Perhaps if we were discussing relations between two african nations then the idea of africans enslaving africans would be relevent.

We are talking about the history of american whites doing wrong to american blacks.

Then you're unaware of many things. Also, if American blacks of this generation want to hold American whites of this generation responsible for the actions of their ancestors, then they should first be hold responsible for the actions of their own ancestors. A quaint idea, isn't it?

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It depends on how you define "better."

The average IQ of blacks is roughly 85, whereas the white average is about 100, and the asian (meaning Chinese or Japanese) is around 106 (though I've read the standard deviation isn't as large as whites). IQ scores are the best predictors of future earning potential and typically whatever we define as "success" in society (less likely to get AIDS, for instance, as a result of more intelligent behaviour).

If by "better" we mean "more intelligent," as your post seems to indicate, indeed some races ARE better than others, on average. Naturally, this knowledge is taboo in this delightful PC age the Jewish media/government has created for us, but there are several books you can check out to circumvent the thought police. Some excellent ones which come to mind are "The Bell Curve" (1994) , which has supposedly been "debunked," (but not really), which explains IQ and intelligence testing and the racial differences which seem to be largely hereditary. An even more academic book is "The g Factor" by Arthur Jensen. In it, he explains how the skull size of the average black is smaller than whites' or asians', brain mass/volume is less, etc.

Interesting facts which you most certainly won't learn in your highschool anatomy class and probably not in our colleges of Higher PC Indoctrination.

A fair point, but hasn't it also been pretty well established that IQ tests can be biased and unfair based on the varying strengths and weaknesses of genders, etc.? Studies show that women tend to score lower than men on spatial reasoning (I think) and higher than men in other areas, so depending on how much weight is given to various aspects of the test, one gender could score higher than the other and the results wouldn't be perfectly accurate or reflective. I think making a completely "fair" IQ test must be next to impossible. Race may be a slightly different issue, but my point is that sometimes the design tests themselves can have an effect on the scores. The tests also don't neccessarily take into account the different types of intelligence; some people are musical geniuses but can't do maths to save their lives; Edison was thought to be "slow" for many years but ended up being one of the world's most prolific inventors and clearly was not in any way stupid.

Also, I personally think that education is always going to have the greatest influence on IQ tests. The quality of a person's education is strongly influenced by cultural values and above all economics. We had a Japanese exchange student live with us when I was in high school and in her upbringing anything less than excellence in all academic subjects, maths, music, art, you name it, was unacceptable. From my experience, this is not always the case with white and black students. Further, students whose families can afford to send them to schools with better funding, more and better teachers, better facilities, better textbooks, better equipment, etc. are going to have an advantage over students who are relegated to scant facilities and hand-me-down things. For a number of reasons, historical factors and discrimination among them, many black families are poor; ergo they often have a higher proportion of students getting a more "subpar" education. Until all schools are equal, all education cannot truly be equal.

That said, I am against affirmative action because I don't think it will help anyone in the long run. Giving people things they haven't earned based on their race or gender or whatever is, to me, harmful - while I know that as a woman I may face discrimination in certain circles, I do not want handouts. I want to prove that I am every bit as capable as a man and not always feel that I can only do things if someone helps me out.

Discrimination sucks, no matter who the victim is.

People constantly harp about how much they hate discrimination, but it always seems like it's not considered discrimination when you're against the majority.

If I came on here (or anywhere in the country really) and said I hated Jews and Muslims, I'd probably get shot or something (exaggeration obviously), but if I said I hated Christians, people would just be like meh.

Same with race, if I said I hate Blacks, then I could get in SO much shit. But if I said I hate whites, well, no one really cares.

This seems to hold true for every single thing out there.

So how do you people guilty of this justify discrimination just because it's against the majority when you preach that discrimination is wrong?
i believe that all discrimination based on accidents of birth (skin tone, hair type, height, etc) is equally stupid. however, i believe that it is completely right to judge people based on their beliefs, because those are chosen and actively pursued...i "discriminate" against religious persons in much the same way that i "discriminate" against racists, homophobes, and flat-Earthers. i strongly and loudly support their right to be as stupid as they want, and to espouse their stupid views as freely as they like, but i have no intention of pretending to like or support their views. i respect their right to their beliefs, while having nothing but contempt for the views themselves.

if you choose to feel that you are being "discriminated" against by people not agreeing with you (or by people voicing their disagreement) then that's your problem. if you want to live around other humans then you will have to quit being such a wuss about criticism, because the plain fact is that none of your rights are infringed upon by somebody else voicing their opinion.

At my school, we have a black club, an asian club, and a hispanic club. A friend of mine once tried to start a white club. But no, that would be racist, the administration said...
I think it is silly, but the name "white club" smacks of "white power!"

Hitler really ruined the reputation of white supremacism. I don't think that any black supremacist group has ever got into any government and committed genocide. (Well, besides Idi Amin of Uganda...)

Yeah, and I don't even understand it. I'm a black, and I do my best, make straight A+'s in my AP classes, and so now people call me an "oreo", black on the outside and white on the inside. I would just LOVE the argument they put up that says to be black you have to be dumb. It would be so incredibly BACKWARDS.
Yeah, it's very idiotic. But remember, you live in a state where every county voted for Bush this year. ;)

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It depends on how you define "better."

The average IQ of blacks is roughly 85, whereas the white average is about 100, and the asian (meaning Chinese or Japanese) is around 106 (though I've read the standard deviation isn't as large as whites). IQ scores are the best predictors of future earning potential and typically whatever we define as "success" in society (less likely to get AIDS, for instance, as a result of more intelligent behaviour).

If by "better" we mean "more intelligent," as your post seems to indicate, indeed some races ARE better than others, on average. Naturally, this knowledge is taboo in this delightful PC age the Jewish media/government
You had a point up until here. I mean the "OMG world Jewish conspiracy" cliche. There's no evidence for it. I assume you're British. Who is the most senior Jew in the British government? Media? Tony Blair and Rupert Murdoch are Christians as far as I know.

I think it is silly, but the name "white club" smacks of "white power!"

Hitler really ruined the reputation of white supremacism. I don't think that any black supremacist group has ever got into any government and committed genocide. (Well, besides Idi Amin of Uganda...)

South Africa and Zimbabwe.

In South Africa in 1997, in fact, ANC member Mzukizi Gaba said, "When Mandela dies we will kill you whites like flies."

All generalizations are false.

In South Africa in 1997, in fact, ANC member Mzukizi Gaba said, "When Mandela dies we will kill you whites like flies."
And once again, I ask you for a source.

I think that all dicrimination's bad, but I really hate black people. But don't worry, I hate everybody else equally.

All generalizations are false.
couldn't that be seen as a gross generalization?

couldn't that be seen as a gross generalization?
That's the point.

As a muslim, I agree.

I am constantly disgusted by the way the godless heathens on this forum think it is perfectly acceptable to insult fellow people of the Book, because they tactitly assume that only christians are capable of evil.

I shall laugh last however when Allah judges them.

I don't insult people for being religious, as much as the unshakeable belief in some bloke in the sky bemuses me. I insult them for being morons. At least I don't pin them up against a wall and shoot them, or otherwise deny them their right to be morons, eh? I won't be laughing when their consciousness is dissolved upon death either, though I may breath a quiet sigh of relief in some cases.

Wonder what would happen if I started campaigning for religious organisations to lose their rights to various tax breaks? Hey, they could have a different sort of thing to those other charitable organisations.. civil breaks, possibly.

(damn, that last one was too hard to resist..)

I think that all dicrimination's bad, but I really hate black people. But don't worry, I hate everybody else equally.

There are only two things I hate in this world.

Intolerance of other people's cultures...

..and the DUTCH.

That's the point.
i know, i was just playin the game