NationStates Jolt Archive


Constant use of Leviticus

Stripe-lovers
27-11-2004, 16:17
OK, I'm sick and tired of all the people on here who keep bringing up Leviticus to "prove" the stupidity of the Bible. It's really tiresome and, no, it doesn't prove your argument. One book in the Old Testament doesn't make the whole thing invalid. It offends me deeply and in my opinion you are all completely missing the point.



I mean, Dueteronomy is where all the juicy stuff is at. As Deuteronomy fan I'm offended you overlook ir. You need to get off your Leviticus fixation and start giving the new "strangest book in the Bible" a fair shake of the stick. I mean it's covers everything:

Disclaimer: Any Christians or Jews who feel deeply in the inviolability of the Old Testament do not read the following. You will be offended. This is intended as amusement for us godless heathen, not flamebait. I would, however, be interested in interprations of these passages by Christians or Jews who will not be too offended by my blasphemous tone.

University students


At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the LORD's release.
Hey everyone, free money. Get your student loan wiped out after 7 years.

"When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn.
Free food, too. It seems like this book was written for university students

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Hmm, OK, maybe not.


Women's rights


If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
So if you're raped in a city it's your own damn fault.

When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.
And don't dare try the old sack-grab to save your husband.


Masturbation


When the host goeth forth against thine enemies, then keep thee from every wicked thing.
If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp:
But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.

So you soldiers, I know you're lonely but don't do it. Not unless you want to spend tomorrow standing outside the camp.


Home improvement


When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.
Seems a tad mundane for a holy decree, IMHO.


Sports safety


He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
Wear a box, folks.


International finance


For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow;
Bush is in trouble.


The "we're all screwed" passage


A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
I'm guessing that pretty much none of us can claim that nowhere in the last 10 generations of our ancestry is there any illegitimacy. And I'm definitely screwed, being as how I'm on my parents wedding photo.
Neo Cannen
27-11-2004, 16:49
Two words to compeltely shatter your points "OLD COVENENT".
Kislet
27-11-2004, 17:16
Garsh, ain't the Christian religion so full of love and happiness?! ^______^
Stripe-lovers
27-11-2004, 17:16
Two words to compeltely shatter your points "OLD COVENENT".
What points?
Keruvalia
27-11-2004, 17:21
Two words to compeltely shatter your points "OLD COVENENT".

Ah ... the mantra of the blind. Christians spout OT stuff all the time, but when it's turn around against them, they always say, "Oh that changed with Jesus!"

Make up your minds. Is the OT valid or not?
New Foxxinnia
27-11-2004, 17:24
OK, I'm sick and tired of all the people on here who keep bringing up Leviticus to "prove" the stupidity of the Bible.What forum are you on? I've never seen that before.
Brittanic States
27-11-2004, 17:24
Man I hate it when peeps go all serious in a perfectly respectable joke thread.
Ashmoria
27-11-2004, 18:00
wow you have convinced me
deuteronomy is where its AT
no more lame rants at leviticus
its ALL deut, baby!
El hombre de atun
27-11-2004, 20:53
just for the record:

technically, when jesus came, the jews and christians were freed from the old testament law, which means they didnt really have to obey it anymore. but if you continue reading through the new testament, it is said several times, obey the law of moses and noah, and things that were against the law of moses and noah are mentioned again to be against the law in 1 and 2 thess. and 1 and 2 peter
Ashmoria
27-11-2004, 21:09
wow you have convinced me
deuteronomy is where its AT
no more lame rants at leviticus
its ALL deut, baby!


i just made my first post using a deut quote
im so proud of myself!
The True Right
27-11-2004, 21:15
The simple explanation for why the OT is not relevent (except the 10 commandments and Noahs' laws) is because of gentiles. As Christians we are not Jews (who follow the the OT), but we are gentiles thus He set his son Jesus to set new laws for us non-Jews such as not having to eat kosher, no sacrifice (burnt offerings), no divorce, etc. Now the thing about Jesus is that He was a Jew, and that the Jews are His people. But He had to spread the word of God to us gentiles (non-jews).

Things that are considered sins in the OT are still sins today, that hasn't changed. What has changed are the Governments of the world. No longer is slavery permitted, or child killing for misbehaving, etc. You have to follow His laws as well as your nations laws. An example of this:

Hebrews 13
17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
MuhOre
27-11-2004, 21:17
I do not remember the name of the Rabbi that said this... but still.

Paraphrasing: "Do not take the bible literally for you would be a fool to do so"

Yes i tried googling it... too lazy to search all day. Anyways the rabbi was saying, dont take it literally... there is meaning behind each passage.

If you want i'll start a thread just for this... i have a Torah at home, that explains quite a bit of this.
Neo Cannen
27-11-2004, 21:18
Ah ... the mantra of the blind. Christians spout OT stuff all the time, but when it's turn around against them, they always say, "Oh that changed with Jesus!"

Make up your minds. Is the OT valid or not?

Parts are, parts arent. Look to the new testemnt to find which bits are or not.
Saipea
27-11-2004, 21:31
I do not remember the name of the Rabbi that said this... but still.

Paraphrasing: "Do not take the bible literally for you would be a fool to do so"

Yes i tried googling it... too lazy to search all day. Anyways the rabbi was saying, dont take it literally... there is meaning behind each passage.

If you want i'll start a thread just for this... i have a Torah at home, that explains quite a bit of this.

That's part of the Talmud.
Zincite
27-11-2004, 21:40
I have never read the Bible or the Torah so I don't know all the books, but of what I've heard people quote to prove points I think Leviticus is the dumbest. Everybody uses it to bash gays, but the same book says don't wear multifiber clothing. I'd be willing to wager a quarter or so, too, that it's the same one that has "poisoner" translated to "witch."
MuhOre
27-11-2004, 21:52
ah yes... i just remembered something very important.

Noahide Laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahide_Laws)

Only jews have to obey the Torah...

Non-Jews, only have to obey 7 laws...

Do not murder.
Do not steal.
Do not worship false gods.
Do not be sexually immoral (forbidden sexual acts are traditionally interpreted to include incest, sodomy, male homosexual sex acts and adultery)
Do not eat anything of the body of an unslaughtered animal (This is a humanitarian command; in many regions the practice was to cut meat from animals still alive, despite the suffering caused. See Kosher).
Do not blaspheme.
Set up righteous and honest courts and apply fair justice in judging offenders.

Well... at least the Non-Jews dont have quote Leviticus anymore... they get to quote that. ^^;
Ashmoria
27-11-2004, 22:03
ooooo i hope thats right
im not jewish and i fit right into those laws no problem
i dont even have to worry about not going to church on sunday
Stripe-lovers
28-11-2004, 05:11
i just made my first post using a deut quote
im so proud of myself!

*sniff* I'm so happy...

Edit: oooh, someone's just posted the quote from Leviticus in *that* thread. Now might be the time for some judicious deut use.