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After, all, he's pushing programs that will only increase its likelihood.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/25/secondterm.abstinence.ap/index.html

lol, so it would seem. :D

Believe it or not, if you abstain from sex, you won't have a baby!

Seriously, it's the democrats who like teenage pregnancy as they are their voting block. Last time I checked the poorer classes vote democratic.

Believe it or not, if you abstain from sex, you won't have a baby!

Seriously, it's the democrats who like teenage pregnancy as they are their voting block. Last time I checked the poorer classes vote democratic.
So all those hollywood stars who were lobbying for Kerry are the poorer class now?

Believe it or not, if you abstain from sex, you won't have a baby!

Believe it or not, if you tell people not to have sex, some of them are going to do it anyway!!

Believe it or not, if you have sex without knowledge of how to protect yourself, you are more likely to have a baby and get STDs!!

Seriously, it's the democrats who like teenage pregnancy as they are their voting block. Last time I checked the poorer classes vote democratic.

Look kids! It's a partisan patsy!! Everything *must* be in terms of Republican and Democrat! That's the way it's always been and always will be! Didn't you know?

So all those hollywood stars who were lobbying for Kerry are the poorer class now?

No I did not say that, if you can read you'll see that I mentioned that the poor ARE A voting block for the democrats. Hollywood liberals (while laughable at best) are another block.

Wait, you're against abstinence education? That doesn't make sense to me. How could abstinence education hurt anything?

Believe it or not, if you tell people not to have sex, some of them are going to do it anyway!!

Believe it or not, if you have sex without knowledge of how to protect yourself, you are more likely to have a baby and get STDs!!



Look kids! It's a partisan patsy!! Everything *must* be in terms of Republican and Democrat! That's the way it's always been and always will be! Didn't you know?

Sorry little buddy, but you started the partisan bs. Look at the title of your thread.

You can get pregnant or catch an std if you use protection as well. Let's teach our own children how things are, and not rely on the government to teach our children this issue. God knows the government is in the classroom too much as it is. It's called personal responsiblity. Now you may disagree with me here, but if you have children don't you know what is best for them then our crazy government?

BTW-Teen pregnancy rates are dropping.

Wait, you're against abstinence education? That doesn't make sense to me. How could abstinence education hurt anything?

I'm not against abstinence education. As a component of sex-ed, it has the potential to reduce teenage sex.

I'm against abstinence-only education, which is likely to *increase* teenage pregnancy and STD transmission.

Do you see the difference?

I'm not against abstinence education. As a component of sex-ed, it has the potential to reduce teenage sex.

I'm against abstinence-only education, which is likely to *increase* teenage pregnancy and STD transmission.

Do you see the difference?Yes, I see the difference. But is he advocating abstinence-only education? I heard that he had approved a budget for abstinence education programs, but he hasn't eliminated any sex-ed stuff.

Sorry little buddy, but you started the partisan bs. Look at the title of your thread.

The title of my thread mentions a specific person, not a political party. So no, I didn't say anything partisan.

You can get pregnant or catch an std if you use protection as well.

Which is what should be taught.

Let's teach our own children how things are, and not rely on the government to teach our children this issue.

Yeah, screw the schools. We should just home school our children. I mean, things like health have no place being taught in our public schools!

(Never mind the fact that most parents (a) are very uncomfortable about sex and (b) don't teach their kids about sex until way too late)

God knows the government is in the classroom too much as it is. It's called personal responsiblity. Now you may disagree with me here, but if you have children don't you know what is best for them then our crazy government?

I do know what is best for them. And leaving them uninformed is not it.

BTW-Teen pregnancy rates are dropping.

Not in ultra-religious areas.

We could always take it to an extreme and make it so you need a liscence to have sex :p Not gonna happen, nor would anyone obey it, but it'd be kinda... odd to see.

Yes, I see the difference. But is he advocating abstinence-only education?

Yes. Read the article.

Not in ultra-religious areas.

*suspects he knows the answer to why that is*

Not in ultra-religious areas.
Actually since 1991 teenage birth rates have dropped in every state, Washington DC, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.

Actually since 1991 teenage birth rates have dropped in every state, Washington DC, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.

Which in no way disproves my point.

Still, he is not willing to wait for more evaluations, calling abstinence education "something that parents and children want." Er... No. As a parent, I take far more responsibility for educating my children than I lay on the education system and my older daughter has been hearing the mantra "there is no such thing as sex without a condom" for as long as we have been discussing sex (from a biological as well as emotional angle) which is since she was about 8 or 9 and my younger one will too. But this concept is ridiculous. Sorry guys, but teenagers have been having sex since there were teenagers and they are going to continue to do so. If the "establishment" demonises sex then the little "rebels" are going to have one more toy to play with. Sex is not evil - even non-marital sex isn't, despite what your government is trying to tell you. And most thinking people know this. It's lack of education about sex that leads to the kind of societal and personal decline that these maniacs are trying to scare people with, including STDs and unwanted pregnancies.

This policy is yet another reason I frequently think to myself "thank fuck I don't live in the US".

Which in no way disproves my point.
Do you have a more specific, concrete information that shows that "ultra-religious" areas have had an increasing teenage birthrate while all of the other areas have fallen?

The title of my thread mentions a specific person, not a political party. So no, I didn't say anything partisan.





(Never mind the fact that most parents (a) are very uncomfortable about sex and (b) don't teach their kids about sex until way too late)





President Bush is a republican and therefore this is a partisan thread.

How do you know this? Have you conducted surveys asking whether or not they are shy about this topic??

You liberal pansies want to rely on the government to run your lives, just admit it!

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_10.pdf
Page nine.

The highest teenage birthrate comes from the place that was the largest landslide for Kerry, the DoC.

Believe it or not, if you abstain from sex, you won't have a baby!

Seriously, it's the democrats who like teenage pregnancy as they are their voting block. Last time I checked the poorer classes vote democratic.


1) You assume hormones are easily dismissed.

2) My family tends to live in 120' homes with high ceilings and fireplaces, on acres of land, with horses. We're a tad above the average middle class. We know that the republicans are more likely to pad our wallets. We're also gun collectors, my dad and I went to the shooting range just last weekend. Before they got super-deranged, we voted republican. But we don't stick with parties just because of benefit. We vote with our morals instead, for the lesser evil. This time around, Dubya was the greater evil. Of course, both Dubya and Kerry are minions of the Skull and Bones, so, eh.

President Bush is a republican and therefore this is a partisan thread.

So if I say "Governor Arnold used to be a bad actor," that is a partisan statement? Come off it. The fact that an idiot happens to be Republican does not mean that if I point out his idiocy, it is a partisan statement.

Let's see. If I say "Chris Rock is very vulgar," does that make me racist?

If I say "Jane Fonda was a real bitch during the Vietnam War," does that make me sexist?

The fact that Bush is a Republican is one thing about him that doesn't bother me - although I would prefer it if he were a true Republican, and not this "spend, spend, spend, spend, trample all over the Constitution" type.

How do you know this? Have you conducted surveys asking whether or not they are shy about this topic??

Common knowledge.

You liberal pansies want to rely on the government to run your lives, just admit it!

Funny. I'm not a liberal, and I want the government to stay the hell out of my life.

abstinence always works, monogamy is preferable to promiscuity. the thread's author sounds as if they are a proponent of irresonsible sexual activity.

Do you have a more specific, concrete information that shows that "ultra-religious" areas have had an increasing teenage birthrate while all of the other areas have fallen?

Do you have evidence to the contrary? (by the way, I said that I don't believe rates are falling in extremely religious areas, I never said that they were increasing).

I haven't been able to find any statistics for religious areas v. non-religious areas. My statement was based on anecdotal evidence, so I will retract it, but with the caveat that I believe this to be true.

The very religious are less likely to talk to their kids about sex, thus they usually hear about it from peers. This leads to more risky behavior.

Of course, strangely enough, *every* survey I have found has listed, guess what, *increased use of contraceptives* as the clearest reason for the fall in teenage pregnancy.

abstinence always works, monogamy is preferable to promiscuity. the thread's author sounds as if they are a proponent of irresonsible sexual activity.

I am a proponent of teaching kids all of the consequences of all of their actions. I never said not to teach absitinence as the only absolute way to avoid STDs and pregnancy. However, we all know that teenage sex is going to happen - and the teenagers should be aware of *all* possibilities. I'd rather have those who do it be responsible about it and use contraception than fall by the wayside.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_10.pdf
Page nine.

The highest teenage birthrate comes from the place that was the largest landslide for Kerry, the DoC.

Which has what to do with anything I said?

abstinence always works, monogamy is preferable to promiscuity. the thread's author sounds as if they are a proponent of irresonsible sexual activity.

Now this is fucking hilarious. Given that in your tag, you identify yourself as a PIMP.

Federal Funding to schools?!

Bush is no f'ing republican. I'm sick of this shit...

Now this is fucking hilarious. Given that in your tag, you identify yourself as a PIMP.

The member titles are not subject to change by Eli. Eli did not self-identify as a "pimp". That's just what the forum gives you when you reach a thousand posts.

I am a proponent of teaching kids all of the consequences of all of their actions. I never said not to teach absitinence as the only absolute way to avoid STDs and pregnancy. However, we all know that teenage sex is going to happen - and the teenagers should be aware of *all* possibilities. I'd rather have those who do it be responsible about it and use contraception than fall by the wayside.

Here here! A rational, realistic approach admits that teenagers are TEENAGERS! They will have sex. There is not a non-authoritarian culture in the world where this is false. So, that being said, teach kids the (no pun intended) ins and outs of sexual behavior. Look at the European model. Unless I'm mistaken, most European cultures encourage serial monogamous relationship (for the most part....although I could be VERY wrong about this...if so, please let me know). European teen pregnancy and STD rates are ridiculously low compared to US ones.

monogamy is preferable to promiscuity. Perhaps to you but you can't apply your values to all people. Having done both, I say that there are positive and negative aspects to both. Some people are happily and safely promiscuous all their lives and saying "don't do it" is just not an option.

Surely it's better to educate people (and yes, teenagers are people even though some adults in power tend to forget that) and let them make their own (informed) decisions than to allow your biases and (religious?) prejudices to dominate the lives of others? If people are educated about their options and encouraged to exercise their brains, surely there is a better outcome in the offing than if they are just told "don't do it" and left to their own devices.

This applies to more than just sex, btw.

After, all, he's pushing programs that will only increase its likelihood.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/25/secondterm.abstinence.ap/index.html
That's okay, the Dems have the exact same mentality when it comes to gun control.

Believe it or not, if you abstain from sex, you won't have a baby!But assuming that the government has little power to prevent people from having sex (and all emperical evidence shows that) I think that protected sex is gonna work out with fewer unwanted babies, no?

Seriously, it's the democrats who like teenage pregnancy as they are their voting block. Last time I checked the poorer classes vote democratic.
How on earth did you come to link those two points? You think a rich, white, Republican girl has never gotten pregnant by mistake?

Wait, you're against abstinence education? That doesn't make sense to me. How could abstinence education hurt anything?
When you only talk about abstinance, people who ignore that and choose to go on to have sex are something like 80% less likely to use a condom.

How on earth did you come to link those two points? You think a rich, white, Republican girl has never gotten pregnant by mistake?

I don't recall anyone saying that. I'm willing to bet my left hand it's a hell of a lot less likely.

When you only talk about abstinance, people who ignore that and choose to go on to have sex are something like 80% less likely to use a condom.


It seems to me that abstinance is implied when teaching sex ed.

You can get pregnant or catch an std if you use protection as well.
Thats true, but you are 97% less likely to do so. 97% is a fairly big reduction, don't ya think?

Let's teach our own children how things are, and not rely on the government to teach our children this issue. I would be perfectly willing to cede that responsibility to parents, if they actually did it. Many, if not most, fail to pass on either sufficient and/or correct knowledge to their kids.

God knows the government is in the classroom too much as it is. It's called personal responsiblity. Now you may disagree with me here, but if you have children don't you know what is best for them then our crazy government?Personal responsibility has the requisite of having the right facts at your disposal. Can you explain how scaring children out of having sex is personal responsibility, as opposed to brainwashing?

President Bush is a republican and therefore this is a partisan thread.

How do you know this? Have you conducted surveys asking whether or not they are shy about this topic??

You liberal pansies want to rely on the government to run your lives, just admit it!

No because Democrats want smaller governments, Republicans want bigger governments, and yes Bush does nothing about teen-pregnancy he removes all forms of protection from schools, such as condoms, he tries to halt sex-ed. See Most Republicans dont know what they are talking about.

I don't recall anyone saying that. I'm willing to bet my left hand it's a hell of a lot less likely.
Quite possibly, but he was taking two points without connection and creating an innacurate and insulting conclusion.

Actually since 1991 teenage birth rates have dropped in every state, Washington DC, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.
Is that teenage birth rates or teenage pregnancies? One doesn't necessarily follow from the other y-know.

President Bush is a republican and therefore this is a partisan thread.So if I made a thread saying "I walked my dog today", it would be a partisan thread, given that I am a liberal?

Here here! A rational, realistic approach admits that teenagers are TEENAGERS! They will have sex. There is not a non-authoritarian culture in the world where this is false. So, that being said, teach kids the (no pun intended) ins and outs of sexual behavior. Look at the European model. Unless I'm mistaken, most European cultures encourage serial monogamous relationship (for the most part....although I could be VERY wrong about this...if so, please let me know). European teen pregnancy and STD rates are ridiculously low compared to US ones.
Holland, by far and away the most liberal country on the planet, has the lowest stats for STDs and teenage pregnancies.

It seems to me that abstinance is implied when teaching sex ed.
Why is that?

If you want to lower teen pregnency the most why dont you teach both meathods. Some teens are shy and get presured into sex, but an abstinence program will help them. Other people are quite the opposite and they have sex once a week and birth control is important. Then there are the middle which can use both. The comprehensive plan is both plans.

Teach people the advantages of not having sex. How to have a relationship without sex, but then point out that if you do have sex, it is much better to use birth control.

Holland, by far and away the most liberal country on the planet, has the lowest stats for STDs and teenage pregnancies.
Unfortunatly, Holland and the US are quite different. Cultural values are usually the most important factor for teen pregnency and many other issues.

Bush is too late, we already live in a society where morals are an objective term, that are open to any definition any person (regardless on how frigged up) can conjure.

Maybe if the government emphasized this in the early 1960s, we wouldn't have such a large problem today!

Why is that?


Because if you learn how one gets pregnant and transmits STDs...then it should be a bit intuitive that screwing skanky Radford girls should be avoided.

That is, they should just present the facts, without encouraging/discouraging any sort of behavior - that's not their job.

Because if you learn how one gets pregnant and transmits STDs...then it should be a bit intuitive that screwing skanky Radford girls should be avoided.

That is, they should just present the facts, without encouraging/discouraging any sort of behavior - that's not their job.One of the biggest and most damaging subconcious myths among those who otherwise engage in safe sexual behaviour is that if you know the person and love the person, that nothing bad is gonna happen.

Unfortunatly, Holland and the US are quite different. Cultural values are usually the most important factor for teen pregnency and many other issues.
Quite true. However, I do believe that it is one example of a trend that a more permissive society encourages people to take seriously the responsibility for themselves.

How does only-abstinence sex ed work?

Don't you get stuck after saying "don't have sex" on the first day?

If you want to lower teen pregnency the most why dont you teach both meathods. Some teens are shy and get presured into sex, but an abstinence program will help them. Other people are quite the opposite and they have sex once a week and birth control is important. Then there are the middle which can use both. The comprehensive plan is both plans.

Teach people the advantages of not having sex. How to have a relationship without sex, but then point out that if you do have sex, it is much better to use birth control.
Yeah, that would be the sensible answer. What bugs the hell out of me is that the safety of teenagers, of my age group, is being put secondary (and a fairly far secondary) to political concerns.

Maybe if the government emphasized this in the early 1960s, we wouldn't have such a large problem today!
Not sure about this one, if the boomers hadn't been knocking each other up, we'd have an even vaster aging population with an even smaller new generation to take care of it.

How does only-abstinence sex ed work?

Don't you get stuck after saying "don't have sex" on the first day?In addition to providing the minimum amount of useful information, conservatives would also like to minimise the amount of time spent learning about it.

Yeah, that would be the sensible answer. What bugs the hell out of me is that the safety of teenagers, of my age group, is being put secondary (and a fairly far secondary) to political concerns.
Unfortunatly, usually the sensible answer is somewhere between Democrats and Republicans.

In addition to providing the minimum amount of useful information, conservatives would also like to minimise the amount of time spent learning about it.

Of course, all kids need are the three rs. Reading, riting, and 'rithmatic.

Though quite obviously not spelling :p

In addition to providing the minimum amount of useful information, conservatives would also like to minimise the amount of time spent learning about it.

I really don't see why a large amount of time should be spent on it. It dosn't take long to explain. Conservatives think this is a subject best covered at home. I tend to agree, but unfortunately, there are households that will not teach their kids these things.

A few myths indulged in by teenagers.

You can't get pregnant on your first time
You can't get pregnant if you've just had your period
You can't get pregnant if you do it standing up
You can't get pregnant if he "pulls out" on time
You can't get pregnant if he is a swimmer (this is real, I've actually heard this one. Apparently, chlorine kills sperm. It doesn't)
You can't get pregnant through anal sex (it is less likely, but you can, and you're far more likely to catch an STD)
You can avoid getting pregnant if you forget your pill by taking two the next day.
You can't catch an STD if he's circumcised
You can't catch an STD if he's uncircumcised (generally people don't tend to believe both at once)

These are just the STD/pregnancy related myths, and only a small selection. I'm sure that there are still vast unplumbed depths of bad theories. This is why sex ed is important, and not just condoms, missionary position and auto-eroticism. You can't afford to skip over even some of the seedier spots like anal sex, group sex and homosexuality.

Believe it or not, if you abstain from sex, you won't have a baby!


:eek: Really????........... :rolleyes:

Unfortunatly, usually the sensible answer is somewhere between Democrats and Republicans.I disagree vastly, I think the correct level is far to the left even of the Democratic position

Believe it or not, if you abstain from sex, you won't have a baby!

Seriously, it's the democrats who like teenage pregnancy as they are their voting block. Last time I checked the poorer classes vote democratic.

Right! Let's make sure the poor stay poor and downtrodden by adding to problems that already hurt them!

I really don't see why a large amount of time should be spent on it. It dosn't take long to explain.
Well, I don't think you're right. Admittedly, the basics are uncomplicated, but if you want people to actually take this seriously, you have to spend some time on it and try to break down some barriers when it comes to talking about sex and sexuality.

How does only-abstinence sex ed work?

Don't you get stuck after saying "don't have sex" on the first day?
nooo you have to discuss all the scary things about sex
watch films about stds
look at pictures of genital warts
maybe take part in one of those baby emulation things
they try to scare you out of having sex instead of discussing the GOOD reasons to delay sexual activity

Hey.

This isn’t going to be the most informed argument, as I am a teenager and my knowledge of US society is limited to MTV and the slightly biased UK media. And I don’t want to offend anyone really, I just want to air what I believe to be the views of my peers in the UK.

I’m eighteen and I’ve got close friends who sleep around. And some of them do it sensibly, some of them don’t. I know a girl who has always practised safe sex [since the age of 13], but (due to trusting her long-term boyfriend who took advantage- proving Spoffin’s point) she got pregnant and had an abortion. She had very little choice in the circumstances, as a baby is a HUGE responsibility. Umm. Not really sure what my point was. Ahh, that we are all humans and we are all, to a certain degree, in charge of what we do. But other people’s actions influence us.

I personally don’t sleep around. I know that I can say ‘no’ and mean it. And I don’t get myself into situations where my wishes would not be respected. But it is the choice of many teenagers to sleep around. Well, not necessarily many, but enough. I read the following UK statistics the other day, which convinces me that keeping my knickers on is a good move –
** chlamydia, gonorrhoea and genital warts are most common in women aged 16-19 and men aged 20-24
** the rates of STIs have ‘effectively trebled’ in the last ten years
I know it’s only two statistics, but STIs are on the rise. Although it is free choice, as with smoking and drinking, it should be free choice based on knowledge. If I were not aware of the possible and probable consequences of my actions, then other than my romantic daydreaming there wouldn’t really be that much between me and a baby/syphilis/infertility. It only takes five minutes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1358905,00.html

It’s just scary.
You know that everyone says ‘oh, kids today..’
Do you not read the papers? Watch the news? Know that there is a direct link between lack of information and the spread of STIs???

Look at the poorer parts of the world, or societies where it is common for a man to marry his brother’s widow. What happens when that the brother has died of HIV or AIDs?? Do they know about this? No. Do they spread the disease, albeit unknowingly? Yes. Is the world not a scary enough place not to stop millions and millions of people dying unnecessarily because they don’t know about contraception???

[I am doing my very best to put aside all my personal prejudices in order to complete this comment or whatever you want to call it. But I know that I am human, and I will fail.]

However. It seems quite apparent to my friends and I that Bush, whilst supported by many, has views on sex education and abortion that lots of people find questionable. Whilst this is veering slightly from the topic of teenage pregnancy, I don’t think it is too much of a diversion.

A while back I remember reading several articles about Bush that I found not only alarming, but distressing. The first can be simplified into the following –
As a Christian, Bush does not believe in abortion. He desired to make abortion illegal by the end of his first term.
I know that hasn’t happened. And I know that there are enough people out there who, while they might not agree with abortion themselves, recognise the right of the individual to choose.

The other article was all the more terrifying [I know that some people will think I am being overly dramatic, but I don’t think I am. Sorry.] because of the sheer number of people it affected. It centred around Bush’s administration [so maybe not the man himself] stopping funding for the Mary Stopes Charity because of a disagreement on some of the charity’s policies. While some of what this charity does may be disagreeable to certain religious bodies, it is also plays a VERY important role in helping prevent the spread of AIDs. http://www.planetwire.org/details/4265

I’m sorry. I know this isn’t relevant. But it’s part of the bigger picture. And then you read little things like the text books for sex ed’ in Texas that make little or no reference to contraception.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/08/05/texas.textbooks.reut/


Sorry this has been so long.
But I would just like to say we have no real right to judge and to decide the fate of thousands or millions of people. All we can do is do as we would be done by. And just hope that someone somewhere has a plan that doesn’t involve a stupidly huge number of lives being ruined by unwanted or unplanned pregnancy or STIs. As a teenager, I want to point out that self-restraint is not commonly found in my age group. Sex will happen. Just.. please let it be based on real information.

Thank you.

P.S. The CNN article [see link above] states the following
According to Centers for Disease Control figures, Texas has been among the top five states in the country for teenage pregnancies for several years.

Wait, you're against abstinence education? That doesn't make sense to me. How could abstinence education hurt anything?

When the options of condoms and other contraceptives are being hidden from the knowledge of potentially sexually active children.

It's raging hormones and instinct versus ineffective "abstinence" programs. Teaching about contraceptives avoids the whole conflict altogether.

"If you're going to do it, at least do it safely."

You can't get pregnant if you've just had your period


The chances of getting pregnant in this situation are incredibly small.

Believe it or not, if you abstain from sex, you won't have a baby!
Ever heard the term "technical virgin". I love that one. Anal sex, oral sex, mutual masturbation, you can do anything other than standard intercourse and remain "technically" a virgin. Of course, it exposes you to all sorts of risky stuff, and I don't really think you have abstained, but this is the position taken by many so-called abstainees.

The chances of getting pregnant in this situation are incredibly small.
Not as small as using a condom or a birth control pill.

Well, I don't think you're right. Admittedly, the basics are uncomplicated, but if you want people to actually take this seriously, you have to spend some time on it and try to break down some barriers when it comes to talking about sex and sexuality.


My sex-ed experience (mind you this was back in 91) -

I think I watched a video about people with AIDS...and then it was basketball highlight videos for the rest of the year...

What sort of barriers are you talking about? I do realize that it is difficult to hammer home concepts to teenagers. They tend to be...well...stupid.

The chances of getting pregnant in this situation are incredibly small.

sorry to burst your bubble, but sperm can remain alive within the uterus/vagina for up to three days. so yeah, unlikely, but not incredibly small.. and besides, the human body is amazingly complex and unpredictable..

I'm just gonna pick out one bit here that I noticed especially:
According to Centers for Disease Control figures, Texas has been among the top five states in the country for teenage pregnancies for several years.
I find that very revealing, and completely unsurprising.

u said in every state the only state i saw u list was DC... nice try though? i think

Ever heard the term "technical virgin". I love that one. Anal sex, oral sex, mutual masturbation, you can do anything other than standard intercourse and remain "technically" a virgin. Of course, it exposes you to all sorts of risky stuff, and I don't really think you have abstained, but this is the position taken by many so-called abstainees.

I suppose if everyone did that, you would be clear of STDs. I watched a law and order episode where this girl had an STD in her throat. gross!

u said in every state the only state i saw u list was DC... nice try though? i think


Every state PLUS DC.

DC is not a state.

What sort of barriers are you talking about? I do realize that it is difficult to hammer home concepts to teenagers. They tend to be...well...stupid.
Stupid and dangerous is the general feel I get from among the people I know. It is incredibly difficult to hammer home concepts to teenagers. I can't honestly say that I have even the slightest clue of an approach that will work for anything near a majority of people, but I think any reduction is gonna be a good thing.

Barriers... I'm talking about a general attitude towards sex. Either as something to brag about or something never to be mentioned. Both of these attitudes are based on deception, both are very bad. Honesty and openness, of facts and opinions, is what needs to be fostered.

sorry to burst your bubble, but sperm can remain alive within the uterus/vagina for up to three days. so yeah, unlikely, but not incredibly small.. and besides, the human body is amazingly complex and unpredictable..

The period lasts for more than three days. Of course timing it right might be tricky.

Anyway, I have not had any problems. But I am also 25...so I wouldn't recommend 16 year-olds take the chance.

I suppose if everyone did that, you would be clear of STDs. I watched a law and order episode where this girl had an STD in her throat. gross!
Charming. There are a number of STDs that can be transmitted orally. Luckily, HIV is not one of them, however the stuff you can get is still nasty enough to put you off sex for a good long while.

The period lasts for more than three days. Of course timing it right might be tricky.

Anyway, I have not had any problems. But I am also 25...so I wouldn't recommend 16 year-olds take the chance.

sorry to draw you into a personal discussion on your sexual habits (i'm kinda working on the basis that this is anonymous)..
but are you saying you only have sex when you're on your period..??? doesn't it ever freak you out a bit, i mean the risk and everything..?

sorry for being nosy. you don't have to reply..

Castration would solve this very easily...and messily. Except for me, of course. I would be the lone island in a sea of eunuchs.

After, all, he's pushing programs that will only increase its likelihood.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/25/secondterm.abstinence.ap/index.html

Chances are his parents and THEIR parents were waaaaaaaaaay too closely related to be having kids together...but did it anyway. He must believe it's normal to bed really young ones.

And nobody says the man's just nailing GIRLS to a mattress.

thinking about this, for some people, mainly teenagers in my experience (only because i've only got to being a teenager so far), sex is an escape in the same way that alcohol and drugs are.. it's a way of seeking and finding approval from another human.

in a relationship, that's kinda cool and the whole point.
but when it's one night stands it's.. cheap, empty.. kinda a poor imitation of intimacy. it's really sad that there are lots of people out there who don't value themselves enough to protect and respect their bodies.

Castration would solve this very easily...and messily. Except for me, of course. I would be the lone island in a sea of eunuchs.

And while I'm in my early forties, boys the ages of the ones I suspect old George really enjoys are TOO young for MY tastes. I like partners who are at least old enough to have some hair and to get it up on their own.

After, all, he's pushing programs that will only increase its likelihood.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/25/secondterm.abstinence.ap/index.html
Our school taught that abstinence is the best way and showed all the consequences of actions. Aids virus is small enough to fit through the latex condom but you still need a cut or something for it to get into the blood stream before you can be infected it. The stress of most sex ed classes is abstinence because it is the only 100% way to avoid pregnancy and STD. Condoms do have a failure rate. http://www.cnn.com/US/9910/27/teen.births.01/index.html

So all those hollywood stars who were lobbying for Kerry are the poorer class now?

No matter WHAT someone asked him, he figured out what that particular audience wanted to hear him say and that's what he said. He had more waffles in his so-called 'firm convictions' than The Waffle House! At least Bush knows what the hell he DOES want and sticks to it. Besides, Bush ain't no Dem. I voted OUT OF PARTY when I voted for him...again.

Our school taught that abstinence is the best way and showed all the consequences of actions. Aids virus is small enough to fit through the latex condom but you still need a cut or something for it to get into the blood stream before you can be infected it. The stress of most sex ed classes is abstinence because it is the only 100% way to avoid pregnancy and STD. Condoms do have a failure rate. http://www.cnn.com/US/9910/27/teen.births.01/index.html


You don't keep them in your back pocket or your wallet. You don't leave them exposed to excessive heat or cold. You DON'T use any lube with them that isn't water-based or use one that has damaged packaging. You don't use the same condom twice in a row...not even in the same hole and with the same person. You don't use one that is the wrong size for the dick it's intended for, since it'll either break or slip right off.

Read the warnings, follow the directions and use some common sense.

Our school taught that abstinence is the best way and showed all the consequences of actions. Aids virus is small enough to fit through the latex condom but you still need a cut or something for it to get into the blood stream before you can be infected it. The stress of most sex ed classes is abstinence because it is the only 100% way to avoid pregnancy and STD. Condoms do have a failure rate. http://www.cnn.com/US/9910/27/teen.births.01/index.html

In abstinence=only programs, they wouldn't even talk about condom use.

You do realize the difference between stressing abstinence and *only* teaching abstinence, right?

Charming. There are a number of STDs that can be transmitted orally. Luckily, HIV is not one of them, however the stuff you can get is still nasty enough to put you off sex for a good long while.

Danger! Danger Will Robinson!

Just thought I'd step in at this. From what I was taught, HIV can in fact be transmitted through oral sex (or anything oral), if say the recipient has a small cut in their mouth (hey, happens to me every once in a while, sometimes after brushing my teeth...).

If you were taught a specific and valid reason why it can't be transmitted orally, feel free to ignore me :p Just going by what I know, and misinformation is baaaaad...

Am I the only one who got chills from looking at that photo?
It looked like his eyes were completely black.

I quote this friom someone else:

Sperm are little nasty things that are just like aliens in many ways. They stand ate the wall of a [condom] andlook for any slight hole to get through. And the worst part is, they multiply while they're waiting. So they're like little Alien Rabbits.

Seriously, I try to keep a quota of 10 every month.

And I am an equal opportunity impregnater.

Ummmmm SPAM! :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: :upyours:

sorry to draw you into a personal discussion on your sexual habits (i'm kinda working on the basis that this is anonymous)..
but are you saying you only have sex when you're on your period..???



Well, since I'm a guy...no.


doesn't it ever freak you out a bit, i mean the risk and everything..?

sorry for being nosy. you don't have to reply..

Not really. My girlfriend of 2+ years went off the pill for a bit, and we had sex unprotected. Only happened a couple times. I wasn't going around sleeping with random girls on their period.

Keep up the good work man. One day, I aspire to be just like you.

Is your name Kobe?

hookers who go to family planning give me a break

What’s that supposed to mean? I have known many prostitutes and they are more diligent about condoms than most. Over here it is a very rare prostitute who doesn’t insist on them….


There are a number of STDs that can be transmitted orally. Luckily, HIV is not one of them

Garbage. It’s true that there is less chance of transmitting HIV orally but it can happen. If (for example) you can’t make up your mind whether to spit or swallow and have an abrasion or ulcer or cut or anything like these in your mouth then you can be infected.

in a relationship, that's kinda cool and the whole point.
but when it's one night stands it's.. cheap, empty.. kinda a poor imitation of intimacy. it's really sad that there are lots of people out there who don't value themselves enough to protect and respect their bodies.

Erm… I’ve had some really fun non-committed sex and felt just fine about it since. Just because you are not “in a relationship” with a sexual partner doesn’t mean that fantastic, fulfilling, totally amazing sex can’t happen or that it will be empty or you’ll feel bad the next day or even that you don’t respect yourself or your body. As long as you are taking all the precautions to protect yourself (physically, mentally and emotionally) you can have all the uncommitted sex you want.

The stress of most sex ed classes is abstinence because it is the only 100% way to avoid pregnancy and STD. Condoms do have a failure rate.

Yes, but if you are going to have sex (and lets face it, there would be no teen pregnancy rate if teenagers didn’t have sex) then surely it’s better to know how to do it with minimal risk?

Is your name Kobe?

Yep, Kobe Wilt Shawn Kemp Chamberlain

Seriously, I try to keep a quota of 10 every month.

And I am an equal opportunity impregnater.
And how often do you meet this quota? What if you surpass it? I take it you get a bonus, so what's that amount to... the clap? HIV? It's like a dream job...

Ummmmm SPAM! :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: :upyours:

I just wanted all the NSers to know that W. doesn't have a monopoly on teenage pregnancy.

And nice first post, jerk. ;)

Woo, what a way to waste a post.

Woo, what a way to waste a post.

Ha, your's was a larger waste than mine.

1 out of 750 posts is a small waste.

1 out of 11? Thats a terrible waste.

Woo, what a way to waste a post.
If you would just think about things for a minute before you post, you'd probably realize that he was trying to make a point. Namely, that saying Bush likes teen pregnancy is, shall we say, rather silly.

I thought you were talking about Bush here.

I'm sorry.... Unless we're talking about another incident of DubyaSpeak (that I can't find on http://www.dubyaspeak.com ), then I really don't see any point to this topic.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Clearly its related to American politics.

Okay, I just figured out what this was related to. (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376761)

I'm too tired to decide right now if the threads should be merged.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Well, I think it's a parody of that thread.

Though personally, I think the point is a little obscure. Much like the original thread. What Bush's inadequacies have to do with him 'liking pregnant teens' is lost on me anyway.

Maybe you should sleep on it. It'll be here in the morning. :)

Completely off-topic, but....

I once ran into a kid who told me he wanted to grow up to be "just like Oedipus."

Of course, I was shocked, and asked this eleven year old kid why he wanted to be like Oedipus.

"I dunno, someone said that I reminded them a little of Oedipus.... so I wanna be like him."

I asked the kid if he even knew who Oedipus was. He, of course, said no, and then I told him good luck on his life-long dream.

Completely off-topic, but....

I once ran into a kid who told me he wanted to grow up to be "just like Oedipus."

Of course, I was shocked, and asked this eleven year old kid why he wanted to be like Oedipus.

"I dunno, someone said that I reminded them a little of Oedipus.... so I wanna be like him."

I asked the kid if he even knew who Oedipus was. He, of course, said no, and then I told him good luck on his life-long dream.

YAY! :D

YAY! :D

why does your mommy let you out, alone?

Isn't that horrible?

Of course... that was a few years back... bout three years.

Kid's 14 now.

Wonder if he's still living that dream of his.

why does your mommy let you out, alone?

Probably because I drove her insane. *nod*

Bush is too late, we already live in a society where morals are an objective term, that are open to any definition any person (regardless on how frigged up) can conjure.

Maybe if the government emphasized this in the early 1960s, we wouldn't have such a large problem today!

Riiiiiight.... Because there were almost no babies born out of wedlock then, but a hell of a lot more fully formed, completely healthy 7-8 pound premature ones.

Be realistic. People's sexual "morals" have not changed so much. What has changed is age at time of first marriage. Do you really think it is better for people that the majority of women get married by age 20 (pregnant or not)? The average age that people start having sex hasn't changed that much. Just most people no longer get married first at way too young of an age, and the message "wait until you are married" means something a lot different when waiting means waiting a year versus waiting five years.

Well, since I'm a guy...no.



Not really. My girlfriend of 2+ years went off the pill for a bit, and we had sex unprotected. Only happened a couple times. I wasn't going around sleeping with random girls on their period.

sorry.
not quite sure why i was assuming you were female.
umm..

Erm… I’ve had some really fun non-committed sex and felt just fine about it since. Just because you are not “in a relationship” with a sexual partner doesn’t mean that fantastic, fulfilling, totally amazing sex can’t happen or that it will be empty or you’ll feel bad the next day or even that you don’t respect yourself or your body. As long as you are taking all the precautions to protect yourself (physically, mentally and emotionally) you can have all the uncommitted sex you want.


yeah, point.
i know a couple that were umm.. 'fuck-buddies' and to begin with it was all cool, no-strings, no emotions.. but she began to take his repeated interest as a possible lead into a relationship and was pretty upset when he got a beautiful, virginal girlf..

i see your point, but for some people the mental protection is much, much harder than the physical.

Believe it or not, if you abstain from sex, you won't have a baby!

Seriously, it's the democrats who like teenage pregnancy as they are their voting block. Last time I checked the poorer classes vote democratic.

Don't drive, that way you'll never get in a car crash!

No I did not say that, if you can read you'll see that I mentioned that the poor ARE A voting block for the democrats. Hollywood liberals (while laughable at best) are another block.
Only the poor in urban areas vote democrat. The poor in the "red states" vote overwhelmingly republican.

Totally OT here, but what is all this "red state" 'Blue state" stuff? I've been meaning to ask..... :confused: