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does anyone here besides me believe that world peace is impossible without a war that causes complelete and total destruction over the entire planet so that the human race learns from their mistakes. or do you think that its not possible at all, or maby if we left it alone after a while we would get peace on earth?

Never will happen. Even if everything was wiped out, something else would grow, evolve, and start clubbing each other over the heads. Human nature, even animal nature, is to kill, destroy and fight. You will never stop that. Liberals will tell you otherwise, but they have their heads in the clouds, far too detatched from reality.

World peace is only possible in one of these situations:

A: No-one left to wage war, or no more means to do so.
B: No more reason to wage war.
C: A universal understanding that war is not the answer to solve problems.
D: Me becoming supreme ruler.

Unfortunately, I don't think humanity's nature lends itself to world peace.

Shure, there will be world peace, as soon as we meet aliens. Then we will make peace with ourselves, and declare war to the aliens.

I actually think world peace would be a bad thing -

If humanity outgrows war we may also outgrow our desire to live under freedom - if tyranny reared its ugly head, the people, so sick of war, would just want peace and even accept the terms of facism.

the only time whole the history their was world peace, was at ancient greece for the time of the olympics.
but now when there is no only 2 or 3 great empires that rule the world, the war could happen between all 2 states.
also the interest of the universe leaders today are for the war- too many large weapon companies need the war, so peace don't going to happen.

World peace is only possible in one of these situations:

A: No-one left to wage war, or no more means to do so.
B: No more reason to wage war.
C: A universal understanding that war is not the answer to solve problems.
D: Me becoming supreme ruler.

Surely you are joking as I almighty JAY am the only hope the world has, "you may kiss the pinky ring"

Shure, there will be world peace, as soon as we meet aliens. Then we will make peace with ourselves, and declare war to the aliens.

Yeah, that's definitely the only way we'll have world peace. We won't have extra-terrestrial peace, but cest la vie.

World Peace will happen when:

1) Humans have wiped themselves out.

2) Humans put aside their petty differences to unite to wage war against an alien entity.

That's about it. Other than that humans are incapable of living peacefully.

I think War will last as long as there is competition for resouces caused by duplication like rival countries or just rivals in general like rebels trying to undermine a governments power. We need gaint confederate genuine socilaist world. Where there is no duplication and the economy is planned for the people as a whole. War will last until the socialist transformation of society takes place.

I actually think world peace would be a bad thing -

If humanity outgrows war we may also outgrow our desire to live under freedom - if tyranny reared its ugly head, the people, so sick of war, would just want peace and even accept the terms of facism.

You're right...peace in and of itself is not necessarily a good thing.

i dont know if you had a massive war that caused billions of deaths maby, i mean look at the EU, i think the reason europe is so tied together is WW2 and WW1.

Yeah, world peace is prettty much impossible. If it was obtained on a larger scale e.g. war, people would start focusing on a smaller scale e.g. petty bickering.
The only possible way total world peace is abtainable is if:
a) all life on this planet was exterminated or
b) all life became unable to experience and voice they're opinions.

Of course its posible.

Oh wait, I thought you said world pie.

No its not. Apart from the aliens scenario. Thats most likely.

Nah even with the alien situation some people would side with our supreme masters... I mean those alien scumbags *nervous laugh*.

does anyone here besides me believe that world peace is impossible without a war that causes complelete and total destruction over the entire planet so that the human race learns from their mistakes. or do you think that its not possible at all, or maby if we left it alone after a while we would get peace on earth?
I think if the US would cease to exist world peace would be within our grasp.

I think if the US would cease to exist world peace would be within our grasp.
well the US and the middle east, north and south korea, oh and a lot of sfrican countries and some south american countries and a few from asia and eastern europe.

well the US and the middle east, north and south korea, oh and a lot of sfrican countries and some south american countries and a few from asia and eastern europe.
Yes. But you have to start somewhere. Might as well be the Axis of evil.

does anyone here besides me believe that world peace is impossible without a war that causes complelete and total destruction over the entire planet so that the human race learns from their mistakes. or do you think that its not possible at all, or maby if we left it alone after a while we would get peace on earth?
Sounds a whole lot like the mindset after the Great War. But, wouldn't ya know it, we had another large-scale war but a few decades later. A larger one, in fact.

"World peace" really is just a ridiculous concept. Homo sapiens competes to exist, and is one of the few organised social species to fight against itself. But, unless we change drastically, humans are going to keep fighting and fighting. It may even be a population control. There are quite a few ways to explain humanity's violent tendiencies, and no, absolutely no reason to think they'll go away any time soon.

World peace is impossible I am deeply saddened to say, there will always be someone with hate in their heart, or some nut-job ruler.

World Peace is a fantasy, its a wish, it'll never happen.

everything comes down to pure instinct, the basic information we learned when we where swinging from the trees. the bigger you are, the more control you have, the more stuff you get.

Robert J. Sawyer(Canadian Writer) had a great theory about the only way World Peace could be attained that was described in his book "Factoring Humanity". it basically coincides with what a previous user said about the alien thing.

but alas, its still just Sci-Fi, and in reality, human beings have neither the capability or, deep down, the want for World Peace.

a more realistic situation is that Humanity creates Artificial Intelligence which grows and wipes us out. the A.I would live in peace because it doesn't have the instinctual need for war.

does anyone here besides me believe that world peace is impossible without a war that causes complelete and total destruction over the entire planet so that the human race learns from their mistakes. or do you think that its not possible at all, or maby if we left it alone after a while we would get peace on earth?

While I don't believe it's impossible, I doubt it'll ever happen.

World Peace would very likely mean overpopulation too . . .

darnit, I knew you peace-lovin' hippies would be the end of the world!

Back to being serious, peace is simply a good idea, unless it's backed up by force.

Yeah, that's definitely the only way we'll have world peace. We won't have extra-terrestrial peace, but cest la vie.

Among the many immortal words of Jack Handey...(not exact but close enough)

"I can see a world united in peace. Without war, poverty, or hatred. And I can see us conquering that world, because they'd never expect it"

mwahahahhahah *laughs evilly*

World Peace would make me happy. But I'd settle for more creative violence. Like violent game shows. That'd be fun. :)

I think if the US would cease to exist world peace would be within our grasp.

Hmm.. you're quite annoying as I've seen in past threads. But being annoying pisses people off. And pissing people off is fun. So should I like you or not? :confused: :headbang:

It'd be interesting to see how 'peaceful' the world would be if the Mongols of Nazis had succeded.

world peace is possible, but humans would have to undergo "training" (not bloody schooling) at the start of there lives as to how a human should conduct themselves accodingly. If at a young age we were trained to live for honour, justice, and self-control bad things wouldn't happen. Self-controls a big one. I also think that humans should group into one singular country because theres only so much to go around and if we work together we can procure more (i.e space mining and all that good stuff). We as humans have to destroy or forget our violent tendancies.... just pass the peace pipe man and take a toke

P.S. that quote "I can invision a peaceful world, without war, poverty or hatred. And I can see us conquering that world"

that is a beautfiul quote LOL and yes I know I prolly got a few things in it wrong, sorry I got a bad memory for this shite

World peace is possible but only if we all think exactly alike and have the same opinions. That means wiping out religion or at the least everyone being of the same religion. Before religious people come on here and start abusing me and 'enlightening' me that their religion is all about peace they need to face up that every religion is about peace but there is always people involved in every religion who are prepared to kill in the name of their religion and who take the viewpoint that killing people is wrong unless they aren't your religion because then they aren't real people. This is the truth, look at history. Even the shao-lin monks developed fighting styles to defent their temples styles not designed to be non-lethal. When differing religious, political, moral, any sort of opinion at all is removed from people, then we will have world peace.

On a side thought, if world peace could be GUARANTEED tomorrow on the condition that all you religious people give up your religion. All churches, cathedrals, temples, monastaries, mosques etc to be torn down. Religious symbols banned bibles, korans etc destroyed and religion banned as a topic of conversation. Would you accept these conditions if it meant that war would also be destroyed along with weapons used in it. Hypothetical situation I want a yes I would give it all up or no I wouldn't no this would never happen or that is stupid we would all become immoral heathens. just yes or no.

Sacrificing liberty for perceived world peace? Then that's a definite no.

i think that one day there could possibly be world peace, but it will be an uneasy peace because, everyone will have some weapon pointed at everyone else who has a weapon pointed at them. And the only reason there will be peace then is because, no one will want to do anything because of the destruction that will be caused because of intertangled and secret alliances...like before world war one

You can only bring peace by preparing for war.


Forget who said that, but that pretty much sums it up.
Peace is possible, but insanely improbable.

There will only be peace, when everyone agrees to stop killing, stealing, terrorising, and raping. That's not gunna happen is it?

ok world peace can be achieved with just 2 things:

1. Complete disarmament (and perhaps demilitarisation) of every country of the world (ah but then how would you fight back against terrorists? I dunno. Sit em down and work out a peaceful solution to the issues they're killing for with no fear of being repromanded, maybe? I really dunno, but I think in the long term either we do disarm (nuclear weapons especially) or our planet is doomed and the human race will exterminate ourselves)

2. The legalisation (and perhaps, at the beginning at least, compulsory consumption) of marijuana accross the globe.

Seriously, i think pot makes people think in a different way than normal, that is, less self-centred and more forward-looking - and with contined use after a while you think that way all the time.

For example i used to be a wholehearted supporter of the Iraq war, at the beginning. Since then I have become something of (or more of) a pothead and my views on a number of issues, the Iraq war included, as well as a number of my key personal beliefs, have changed dramatically. I'm starting to turn pacifist!

wow. looks like that's the answer then. :D

Peace comes from war, war comes from peace. Its a circle. World peace is only possible if one country ruled the world, with complete power.

how can people thinking differently due to pot be a good thing. It wouldnt be world peace, it'd be a brainwashed world.

the only time whole the history their was world peace, was at ancient greece for the time of the olympics.
No. The Olympic truce was only acknowledged in Greece; war continued elsewhere. Also, at the end of each Games a trumpet was blown to announce the end of the Olympic truce - it wasn't a true peace, merely a stay of battle to compete in a different fashion.
also the interest of the universe leaders today are for the war- too many large weapon companies need the war, so peace don't going to happen.
Do't be so sure. Wars aren't always in the best interests of arms manufacturers - the destruction of the fighting nations can actually reduce the amount they can afford to buy. A cold war is normally better for them.

However - long term, peace is possible, simply because the way to win wars is to establish long term alliances with other nations. Further, during peace those alliances help nations economically and in espionage etc. As the power blocks merge or are obliterated, it's possible that one powerblock will eventually rule the world between them, creating a lasting peace. Both the UN and WTO are probably forerunners of such an alliance.

how can people thinking differently due to pot be a good thing. It wouldnt be world peace, it'd be a brainwashed world.

its not brainwashing, in the normal sense of the word - not like the world being zombified on prozac or whatever - instead i think that it helps open one's eyes to a number of things that you just dont want to know or ignore normally. That is, certain injustices and moral problems in the world - things that people normally say "not my problem" to now become your problem, now become an issue.
At least this is mine, and my friends' experience, as well as the stereotypical attitude of the stoner (as well as Hippies of course). I think that this drug, by doing this, be it brainwashing or no, could be a useful tool in the drive towards world peace, compassion and understanding.

Depends on how you define "Peace"

I feel that world-peace would result in to much so called giving in life, and with that in mind the world would eventually die out, considering war is often caused by the access to economics.

People will then due to world-peace would have most likely no reason to fight, often resulting in the loss of will, therefore we could end up in this pure from of amnesty, nothing more then a star-trek collective borg drone.

However - long term, peace is possible, simply because the way to win wars is to establish long term alliances with other nations. Further, during peace those alliances help nations economically and in espionage etc. As the power blocks merge or are obliterated, it's possible that one powerblock will eventually rule the world between them, creating a lasting peace. Both the UN and WTO are probably forerunners of such an alliance.

Two things.
1. The "power blocks" idea does not work in the light of history - The Triple Alliance and The Triple Entente (or however you spell it :( ), the two groups or power blocks of countries in Europe prior to the First World War. The power block system failed, very obviously, in this instance.
That said that doesnt mean that it cant work - look at the Cold War. However this wasn't actually peace, just two nations, and the rest of the world, too afraid to actually start a war because they knew the concequence - Mutually Assured Destruction. This is not peace and not a very pleasant way to live - constantly in fear of a real, in the nuclear age, 'war to end all wars'.

2. The UN and WTO are Intergovernmental Organisations (IGOs). Im sorry but I dont see how the worlds nations could unite in such a way as you described, to form any kind of power block alliance within these IGOs - especially as the UN encompasses all (most) nations already & there is no such split between the UN and WTO. Surely the two (or three) power block alliances of the future will be the USA (& her allies), Europe (& its allies) and China (& her allies)?