NationStates Jolt Archive

1. A.Airo (Finland)
2. Rommel (Germany)
3. Zdanov (Sovjet)
4. C.G.E. Mannerheim (Rus/Fin/Sui)
5. Napoleon (Fra)
Sorry, the Pattons and such yankee fucks w/ their military capacity are ignored in my list. :sniper: :fluffle:

Heinz Guderian, brilliant tactician and may be considered to be the father of modern armoured tactics.

When did H.G. battle?

WWII, though also fought in WWI.

Wellington, he beat Napolian didn't he, and most of his marshials, most of the time he was outnumbered as well.

Robert E. Lee
George S. Patton
Douglas MacArthur

:P

Sorry, the Pattons and such yankee fucks w/ their military capacity are ignored in my list. :sniper: :fluffle:

How about you rot in Hell? Patton was a great general, as well as MacArthur and Eisenhower and Bradley.


Julius Ceasar and Alexander the Great belong on the list.

Robert E. Lee
George S. Patton
Douglas MacArthur

:P

Don't forget Washington.

How about you rot in Hell? Patton was a great general, as well as MacArthur and Eisenhower and Bradley.


Julius Ceasar and Alexander the Great belong on the list.
SO does Wellington! He never lost a battle (other than one skermish in his first battle)He beat 100,000 men with around 5,000 at Aysse!

I'd have to say Alexander

Maybe Ghengis Khan for being able to keep all the tribes united

1. A.Airo (Finland)

He doesn't ring a bell to me.

What was his great accomplishment to deserve #1?

At least no one said deGaul.

But ummmmm #1) is the guy from norway? :p ooookkkkk.

I know mighty norway faced off russian for a time but gimmie a break. How about monty? And some of the yankies MUST be in der.

I'd have to say Alexander

Maybe Ghengis Khan for being able to keep all the tribes united

Yeah. forgot about him.

At least no one said deGaul.

But ummmmm #1) is the guy from norway? :p ooookkkkk.

I know mighty norway faced off russian for a time but gimmie a break. How about monty? And some of the yankies MUST be in der.

Where'd you get Norway from? It says Finland.

1. A.Airo (Finland)
2. Rommel (Germany)
3. Zdanov (Sovjet)
4. C.G.E. Mannerheim (Rus/Fin/Sui)
5. Napoleon (Fra)
Sorry, the Pattons and such yankee fucks w/ their military capacity are ignored in my list. :sniper: :fluffle:

Not a bad list, but I don't agree with all of them.

I wouldn't put A.Airo above Mannerheim as Mannerheim was the best general the Fins had in the Winter War.

Rommel shouldn't be that high. And who is Zdanov?

Napolean should at least be number two...

And ignoring American generals isn't going to help your list, the US has produced some of the best generals in history you know?

He doesn't ring a bell to me.

What was his great accomplishment to deserve #1?

This guy is from norway im guessing what a joke lol.

At least no one said deGaul.

But ummmmm #1) is the guy from norway? :p ooookkkkk.

I know mighty norway faced off russian for a time but gimmie a break. How about monty? And some of the yankies MUST be in der.

Finland was the nation that fought off the Soviet Union in the years before WWII, not Norway.

And who is Zdanov?

Ditto


And ignoring American generals isn't going to help your list, the US has produced some of the best generals in history you know?

Thank you.

Where'd you get Norway from? It says Finland.


Right whatever. Still crap choice.

How about General Manstein (germany)

Or Von Kluge (germany)

Or Guderian (germany)

They were all masters at their art, oh and Airo (scoffs) statistical and relative fool for his time, he should be in the 1st 100 worst Generals of all time.

This guy is from norway im guessing what a joke lol.

Finland!!

Washington?? Blargh... The military strategies during those era was bad.

Sun Tzu! (not really a general though).

Patton! Consider him whatever you want... he still whipped nazi ass.

Right whatever. Still crap choice.

Yeah. Just pay attention before you go shooting your mouth off and make yourself look like a fool.

Robert E. Lee without a doubt tops the list.

Montgomery and many many more

finland finland finland the country where i want to be,
pony trekking or camping or just watching tv

Finland!!


yes sorry error and I am aware that finland fought a war with russia for a time but to compare that with some of the greatest generals of all time is nuts.

How about Ho chi min?

How about General Manstein (germany)

Or Von Kluge (germany)

Or Guderian (germany)

They were all masters at their art, oh and Airo (scoffs) statistical and relative fool for his time, he should be in the 1st 100 worst Generals of all time.

Good list. I wouldn't put Von Kluge over Guderian though. Mr. Guderian was, in my opinion, the best general of the war.

With the possible exception of Zhukov that is...

Oh and Airo wasn't that bad, but in no way should he be that far up the list.

Washington?? Blargh... The military strategies during those era was bad.

As is your english. " during that are were bad." And, no not really.

Sun Tzu! (not really a general though).

Patton! Consider him whatever you want... he still whipped nazi ass.

Sun Tzu was a Chinese general.

yes sorry error and I am aware that finland fought a war with russia for a time but to compare that with some of the greatest generals of all time is nuts.

How about Ho chi min?

Nah.... he doesn't belong on the list.

Montgomery and many many more

I dunno, I've never been one to really like Monty. He did a lot of good in North Africa but his costly Operation Market Garden possibly delayed the war for another year.

To whomever said Ho Chi Minh, good thinking!

Yeah. Just pay attention before you go shooting your mouth off and make yourself look like a fool.

sure asshole, simple mistake, what a goof :sniper:

sure asshole, simple mistake, what a goof :sniper:

Hey, chill the hell out. I wasn't calling you names, so don't you start. I was just trying to help you out.

Nah.... he doesn't belong on the list.

What are you on crack? He beat the entire usa?

How is Ho chi min not on the list?

yes sorry error and I am aware that finland fought a war with russia for a time but to compare that with some of the greatest generals of all time is nuts.

How about Ho chi min?

Correct, Airo shouldn't be there.

However Finland's accomplishments against the Soviet Union are not something to overlook. Keep in mind that a small Baltic nation was able to maintain its independence after being invaded by the Soviet Union.

They also managed to inflict over a million in Soviet casualties. General Mannerheim's line of defenses faired better than the Maginot Line because it actually worked...

I like your mentioning of Ho Chi Minh though, not many give him the credit he deserves.

What are you on crack? He beat the entire usa?

How is Ho chi min not on the list?

He did not beat the entire USA. He was not the main General behind the vietcong. He was their leader. And one reason we didn't do as well as we could have was because our Generals weren't allowed to do what they needed to do, attack. They were never allowed to mount the kind of large scale invasion of the north that they wanted to. Instead they were forced to play a defensive war.

I like your mentioning of Ho Chi Minh though, not many give him the credit he deserves.

I give him credit, but not enough to put him on a list of top generals.

Genghis Khan and Subotai Bahadur. They thundered over 90 of latitude to create the largest empire in history, on horseback at that. From Northern India to the Gobi, Korea to the Russian Steppes, Persia, Mesopotamia and even into the 'Holy Land'.

THAT my friends, is why none of the posers listed above deserved the title of Kha Khan The King of Kings, The Scourge of God.

A little quote from Temujin himself:

"I am the fury and righteous vengeance of God. Had you not sinned so much then he would not have sent me to punish you."

I would strike ole Boney from the list simply because he abandoned TWO armies to their fate, once in Egypt{?} and another to the Russian winter. Such disasters dilute his accomplishments in my eyes, making him only 'so-so'.

Who was the leader of the muslims who finally defeated the mongols for the first time in the west? Geez i cant even remember the name of the warriors he led.


Heres a weird one how about Shaka Zulu? :p

He did not beat the entire USA. He was not the main General behind the vietcong. He was their leader. And one reason we didn't do as well as we could have was because our Generals weren't allowed to do what they needed to do, attack. They were never allowed to mount the kind of large scale invasion of the north that they wanted to. Instead they were forced to play a defensive war.

Good points.

But remember that many of the best known generals aren't known so much for they're tactics but their leadership.

It was Ho Chi Minh who installed radical communist ideals in NVA and VC heads. Anyone who has enough influence over a people to keep them sending millions of themselves to die is worthy of respect.

Although Ho Chi Minh's disasterous use of the NVA was one of his bad points. During the Tet Offensive, hundreds of thousands of NVA troops were killed fighting Americans because of Ho Chi Minh's poor appointment of generals.


You are right about the American generals having strict limits though.

If they had only been allowed to unleash the full might of the American Armed Forces the conflict would have been over in a few months, as it should have been in the first place.

But remember that many of the best known generals aren't known so much for they're tactics but their leadership.

Yeah.

You are right about the American generals having strict limits though.

If they had only been allowed to unleash the full might of the American Armed Forces the conflict would have been over in a few months, as it should have been in the first place.

Damn straight.

Genghis Khan and Subotai Bahadur. They thundered over 90 of latitude to create the largest empire in history, on horseback at that. From Northern India to the Gobi, Korea to the Russian Steppes, Persia, Mesopotamia and even into the 'Holy Land'.

THAT my friends, is why none of the posers listed above deserved the title of Kha Khan The King of Kings, The Scourge of God.

A little quote from Temujin himself:

"I am the fury and righteous vengeance of God. Had you not sinned so much then he would not have sent me to punish you."

I would strike ole Boney from the list simply because he abandoned TWO armies to their fate, once in Egypt{?} and another to the Russian winter. Such disasters dilute his accomplishments in my eyes, making him only 'so-so'.

LoL, I've been trying to keep myself from mentioning Genghis Khan and the Golden Horde simply because everyone knows what a great commander he was.

Yes, Napolean did make some large mistakes but the man was also the leader of most of Europe too. Give him some credit. ;)

Yeah, nobody's perfect, especially when your ruling almost a whole continent.

Who was the leader of the muslims who finally defeated the mongols for the first time in the west? Geez i cant even remember the name of the warriors he led.


Heres a weird one how about Shaka Zulu? :p

I don't think any Muslim force was able to defeat the Mongols, at least I don't remember that happening.

Shaka Zulu was alright.

The best that came from Africa, but that's not saying much.

He had some successes, was known for his ferocity, but due to poor technology and undisiplined men he wasn't able to accomplish all that he could have.

Who was the leader of the muslims who finally defeated the mongols for the first time in the west? Geez i cant even remember the name of the warriors he led.


Jalal ed-Din of the Khoresm Sultanate had a few minor victories against the Horde, but Ghenghis himself finally put an end to his nonsense. Under his leadership and rule the Mongols never suffered a large defeat. That would be reserved for another hundred years or so, until Kublai died and left the governing of the Khanate to ineffectual fools who 'China-fied' the Horde.

He doesn't ring a bell to me.

What was his great accomplishment to deserve #1?
Airo was the general who kept our Commander in Chief C.G.E. Mannerheim boozed up during the Winter War and the War of Continiouty and helped in the fight fot the Finnish Karelia!

Airo was the general who kept our Commander in Chief C.G.E. Mannerheim boozed up during the Winter War and the War of Continiouty and helped in the fight fot the Finnish Karelia!

Ah. K. Thank you.

Jalal ed-Din of the Khoresm Sultanate had a few minor victories against the Horde, but Ghenghis himself finally put an end to his nonsense. Under his leadership and rule the Mongols never suffered a large defeat. That would be reserved for another hundred years or so, until Kublai died and left the governing of the Khanate to ineffectual fools who 'China-fied' the Horde.


Ahh right and didnt they completly defeat the mongols AFTER ghenghis died?

I always liked the idea of all those christians getting slaughtered by the mongols? All the knights getting just destoryed. Do you remember that battle? Right before G K died?

Airo was the general who kept our Commander in Chief C.G.E. Mannerheim boozed up during the Winter War and the War of Continiouty and helped in the fight fot the Finnish Karelia!

I take it your Finnish?

I still wouldn't put Airo over Mannerheim. The Mannerheim Line, although some of its defenses were questionable, was what kept the Soviets back.

In my opinion, Mannerheim was the straighest thinking of all the leaders in Finland at the time. Remember, Mannerheim warned the Finnish PM to avoid war with Russia but his opinion was cast aside.

When the USSR finally invaded, all the Finns looked up to Mannerheim.

Mannerheim's excellent use of his meagre forces and his choice of experienced generals was what kept them from being completely overrun.

Mannerheim, the Suomi machine gun, and the susi of the Finnish defenders are what saved them in the Winter War.

I take it your Finnish?

I still wouldn't put Airo over Mannerheim. The Mannerheim Line, although some of its defenses were questionable, was what kept the Soviets back.

In my opinion, Mannerheim was the straighest thinking of all the leaders in Finland at the time. Remember, Mannerheim warned the Finnish PM to avoid war with Russia but his opinion was cast aside.

When the USSR finally invaded, all the Finns looked up to Mannerheim.

Mannerheim's excellent use of his meagre forces and his choice of experienced generals was what kept them from being completely overrun.

Mannerheim, the Suomi machine gun, and the susi of the Finnish defenders are what saved them in the Winter War.

How about the poorly trained and equiped russians? But Finns should be proud of what the did though...

Ahh right and didnt they completly defeat the mongols AFTER ghenghis died?

I always liked the idea of all those christians getting slaughtered by the mongols? All the knights getting just destoryed. Do you remember that battle? Right before G K died?

You mean the Golden Horde's campaigns in Hungary? I don't think those battles occured while the Great Khan was still alive but I could be wrong.

I think you may be thinking of the Khan's successor Ogodi, but then again I'm not as well versed on Mongolian warfare as I should be. ;)

How about the poorly trained and equiped russians? But Finns should be proud of what the did though...

The Russians had tanks, aircraft, and artillery. Much more than can be said for the Finns.

Yes, the Red Army wasn't well equipped when compared to the Wehrmacht, but against a tiny nation it had all the advantages.

Ahh right and didnt they completly defeat the mongols AFTER ghenghis died?

I always liked the idea of all those christians getting slaughtered by the mongols? All the knights getting just destoryed. Do you remember that battle? Right before G K died?

No. The Khan empire was divided into many Khanates, who were each slowly defeated. Mostly by the Russians. Not muslims.

You mean the Golden Horde's campaigns in Hungary? I don't think those battles occured while the Great Khan was still alive but I could be wrong.

I think you may be thinking of the Khan's successor Ogodi, but then again I'm not as well versed on Mongolian warfare as I should be. ;)


Ahhhh you could be right perhaps it was his successor! And all that stopped the mongols was the death of the khan. Lucky christiains!

Ahhhh you could be right perhaps it was his successor! And all that stopped the mongols was the death of the khan. Lucky christiains!

Could be, I might have to look into that some more later though.

Carl von Clausewitz.

I take it your Finnish?

I still wouldn't put Airo over Mannerheim. The Mannerheim Line, although some of its defenses were questionable, was what kept the Soviets back.

In my opinion, Mannerheim was the straighest thinking of all the leaders in Finland at the time. Remember, Mannerheim warned the Finnish PM to avoid war with Russia but his opinion was cast aside.

When the USSR finally invaded, all the Finns looked up to Mannerheim.

Mannerheim's excellent use of his meagre forces and his choice of experienced generals was what kept them from being completely overrun.

Mannerheim, the Suomi machine gun, and the susi of the Finnish defenders are what saved them in the Winter War.
Yep. A Finn. I didn't put Airo over Mannerheim, I just stated he kept Mannerheim boozed and ho'd up :) . He was general (chief of staff) in Mannerheim's HQ. Mannerheim wasn't a general to start with... he was the Marshall. Big difference.

Can't really say much about the decisions made... hindsight is 20-20... but at least we never became a soviet vassall. And it's sisu. :) Thanks for your reply tho, it was refreshing.

Carl von Clausewitz.

who?

Heres a really weird one. What was the name of the general who overran northern india with the remains of mongols, I believe they were called "mogols" (notice the lack of a N) ??

How about attlia the hun?

Constitaine? (spelling)

Yep. A Finn. I didn't put Airo over Mannerheim, I just stated he kept Mannerheim boozed and ho'd up :) . He was general (chief of staff) in Mannerheim's HQ. Mannerheim wasn't a general to start with... he was the Marshall. Big difference.

Can't really say much about the decisions made... hindsight is 20-20... but at least we never became a soviet vassall. And it's sisu. :) Thanks for your reply tho, it was refreshing.

Well I saw Airo at #1 on your list so I just assumed...

Mannerheim wasn't a general neither was Eisenhower. ;) That didn't stop the both of them from making brilliant descisions though.

LoL, I knew it was sisu. :headbang:

Typo... :)

Carl von Clausewitz.

Ah, yes.

who?

German general/tactitian. Had an impact on modern warfare tactics. That's where my knowledge of him ends, but he is very famous.

who?

Heres a really weird one. What was the name of the general who overran northern india with the remains of mongols, I believe they were called "mogols" (notice the lack of a N) ??

How about attlia the hun?

Constitaine? (spelling)

Constantine. Good leader, he set up the pillars for the Eastern Empire's success for the next one thousand years.

Attila the Hun. Another great leader, he recognized Rome's weakness and made them pay for it. He also intimidated the Eastern Empire into tribute. But it all fell apart after his death...

How about attlia the hun?

Yeah he's a good one.

Constitaine? (spelling)

Meh, he didn't do all that much great generalling. He's big because of becoming Christian and moving the capital from Rome to Constantinople(Byzantium/Istanbul).

Oops, just noticed that it was Peeb-o, not the Great Void that put Airo ahead of Mannerheim on the list.

My mistake.

Well I saw Airo at #1 on your list so I just assumed...

It was my list, not Void´s! Mannerheim had some moments where his practical skills didn´t make justice to reality, Mannerheim had his moments of unreal expectations, as all other commanders of a military force of a state. Airo was the go-between, he really delivired -booze to Mannerheim, decisions to the brave troops.

I can't believe no one mentioned Alexander.

I can't believe no one mentioned Alexander.


I dont think he is near the top anyone because of his insanely shitty movie. :)

Just because americans made a shitty movie about him doesn't mean he was a terrible tatician. And why didn't anyone mention the King of the Spartans or the kIng of the Thespians at Thermypole?(spelling?) They took after those persians like long hounds aftera lone bitch.

Ack or how about glorious comrad Mao? :) Forgot about him.


Rameses? forgot about him too!

Ack or how about glorious comrad Mao? :) Forgot about him.



Mao, even if not a general, was a good leader (among other chinese communist leaders).

i think anyways its safe to say that if no one outside of your country has heard of your choice its probably safe to say ahhh nope on your guy.

On that note, ;)

I would like to add my own general, Patton, NO NOT THE AMERICAN, but the canadien general of the same name who helped canada invade the beaches of normandy and liberate northern france + most of the netherlands from the nazis.

Yamamoto, anyone?

I'd have to say that everyone has made very good choices but my favorite has to be Bradley. I choose him because he is not just a smart man and tactician but that he was a soldier's general and earned the unaminous respect of all his men. Bradley served his men and in turn they served him out of respect. In my opinion Bradley's style of leadership was unmatched.

Frederick the Great
Alexander the Great
Gustavus Adolphus
Napolean
Heinz Guderian
Ghenghis Khan

These next two aren't really known for their work on the battlefield, but for their work on their theory of war.
Sun Tzu
Clausewitz

I'd go for..

1. Sir Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington (GBR)
2. General Sir Isaac Brock (GBR/CAN)
3. FeldMarschal Erwin Rommel (GER)
4. Field Marshal The Viscount Montgomery of Alamein (GBR)
5. Six-star General of the Armies George Washington (USA)

Although this list may be biased towards the brits and relatively modern history, as I'm not so hot on ancients... tempting as it is to add King Leonidas.

Another whose been utterly neglected here: Saladin, scourge of the Crusader Kingdoms.

Or even Muhammed and his worthy successors, who swept out of Arabia and in 300 years had conquered from Western India to the southern Iberian and made inroads into Byzantine Asia Minor.

Tokugawa Iesu? A man who united Japan when everyone else failed miserably, even if he did pick up Oda Nobunaga's scraps.

Good thread. Except for a few comments it shows the largely Western bias of education today. Nearly all of the accomplishments of the Middle East and Far East have been neglected. Sad.

Another whose been utterly neglected here: Saladin, scourge of the Crusader Kingdoms.

Or even Muhammed and his worthy successors, who swept out of Arabia and in 300 years had conquered from Eastern India to the southern Iberian and made inroads into Byzantine Asia Minor.

Tokugawa Iesu? A man who united Japan when everyone else failed miserably, even if he did pick up Oda Nobunaga's scraps.

Good thread. Except for a few comments it shows the largely Western bias of education today. Nearly all of the accomplishments of the Middle East and Far East have been neglected. Sad.

I've heard about Saladin but didn't he just fight a defensive war and win (or am I confusing him with someone else.)

As for Muhammed, it took 300 years and many different leaders, not exactly something attrituable or memorable as the work of one person, that's the same reason I didn't put any Roman or English generals.

As for Tokugawa, I don't know too much about him, but I don't know if he didn't do much but unite Japan, or even did anything all that brilliant.

My top five

1. Robert E. Lee
2. George Patton
3. Omar Bradley
4. J. L. Chamberlin
5. Gustavus Adolphus

Another whose been utterly neglected here: Saladin, scourge of the Crusader Kingdoms.

Or even Muhammed and his worthy successors, who swept out of Arabia and in 300 years had conquered from Western India to the southern Iberian and made inroads into Byzantine Asia Minor.

Tokugawa Iesu? A man who united Japan when everyone else failed miserably, even if he did pick up Oda Nobunaga's scraps.

Good thread. Except for a few comments it shows the largely Western bias of education today. Nearly all of the accomplishments of the Middle East and Far East have been neglected. Sad.

i forgot about saladin! On that note how about Richard the lionheart?

I personally think Japan's generals are highly overated, they belong in a japan category and dont belong on the world stage as they never fought anyone but themselves.

The Mongols (14/15th Century) were phenomenally successful militarily. While chingis Khan was a brilliant politician and leader, his very considerable military skills were eclipsed by his General, Subedei.

Subedei never lost a battle, and never lost an army. The Mongol military forces under his command defeated the best forces of many cultures in many situations, and the Mongols were almost always heavily outnumbered.

The phrase "the Mongol Hordes" has been taken to imply overwhelming numbers, whereas it was training, toughness, superior weaponry (including bows with effective ranges of 300m!) and brilliant leadership.

Evenutally the Mongol empire covered more land area than any other before or since, and up until his great grandson, was far better run than most.

The contemporary Americans, by contrast, are incompetent pussies.

Hannibal!

The Crusaders invaded the Holy land, set up a kingdom from Antioch to Edessa and down through Tripoli and Jerusalem to Gaza, which they held for eighty some-odd years. Saladin invaded the Kingdom of Jerusalem and drove the Crusaders into the Sea. Richard Couer de Lion {The Lionhearted} bankrupted Britain and half of Europe for his Crusade against Saladin, marched around the Holy Land for three years and then packed it up and went home, tail tucked, without ever actually engaging the Muslim leader. A massive defeat(though never admitted) for Christian Europe and a glorious victory, which is still touted, for the Islamic world.

As for Muhammad, he lit the blaze of fanaticism for a large chunk of the worlds population and set the guidelines for warfare in Islam. Like Sun Tzu he didn't do much on the field, but he advanced warfare simply by sparking thought and faith among the masses.

Iesu and Nobunaga were brilliant in their own way. Tokugawa actually invaded Korea, which ended disastrously, but uniting Japan during the Sengoku era was a glorious accomplishment in its own right. Read up on the era. Fascinating stuff, especially considering they took a completely foreign weapon, the arquebus, and revolutionized a thousand years of Japanese warfare and tradition in about thirty years.

Boudicca anyone?

obviously not a heavyweight like alexander or nappy

first female mentioned i think though. Rose up against Emperor Nero in Briton, won some decesisive battles against the 9th Roman legion (she was the first person to defeat a legion outside of rome)

she marched all the way to London where she was finally defeated by the (obviously) much more dominant roman armies

so she obviously isnt one of the top 5 or anything, but worth noting

any tribesmen that can school a roman is good by me

(random order)

alexander the great
Rommel
Napoleon
Montgomery
FieldMarshal Haigue
the great kahn

*spot the joke general* ;)

Boudicca anyone?

obviously not a heavyweight like alexander or nappy

first female mentioned i think though. Rose up against Emperor Nero in Briton, won some decesisive battles against the 9th Roman legion (she was the first person to defeat a legion outside of rome)

she marched all the way to London where she was finally defeated by the (obviously) much more dominant roman armies

so she obviously isnt one of the top 5 or anything, but worth noting

any tribesmen that can school a roman is good by me

When it comes to an Enemy of Rome, Hannibal exells on all accounts.

He killed more romans, he made the romans tremble in fear, he fought the romans TWICE(once in the second Punic wars and then in some war in the east. With those people who live in Syria or something...), and he was Rome enemy to the DEATH. He even offered to lead a German army against Rome! When Rome ordered that the Germans kill him, he killed HIMSELF so that the Romans wouldnt get the chance to slay him.

Not to mention Cannae was a slaughter.

Sorry, the Pattons and such yankee fucks w/ their military capacity are ignored in my list. :sniper: :fluffle:
I like you already. :)
Frederick II the great.

Those yankee fucks sure kicked german ass. Fredrick must be tossing in his grave.

When it comes to an Enemy of Rome, Hannibal exells on all accounts.

He killed more romans, he made the romans tremble in fear, he fought the romans TWICE(once in the second Punic wars and then in some war in the east. With those people who live in Syria or something...), and he was Rome enemy to the DEATH. He even offered to lead a German army against Rome! When Rome ordered that the Germans kill him, he killed HIMSELF so that the Romans wouldnt get the chance to slay him.

Not to mention Cannae was a slaughter.

lol, of course, i wouldnt even compare the two

but remeber, Boudicca was a tribal leader who led celts against a highly advanced roman army

Hanninal had elephants

not quite the same

Those yankee fucks sure kicked german ass. Fredrick must be tossing in his grave.

:D!

Anyhoo, Patton was good but so were a helluva lotta Germans. I say Patton was good, but not the best.

Hannibal was the best(you shoulda been able to predict i would say that...seing how i said that in the LAST two posts i made.)

lol, of course, i wouldnt even compare the two

but remeber, Boudicca was a tribal leader who led celts against a highly advanced roman army

Hanninal had elephants

not quite the same

Well...

Thats right, but if Hannibal were in the same situation(or vice versa), hannibal would Excell.

Well...

Thats right, but if Hannibal were in the same situation(or vice versa), hannibal would Excell.

thats a ridiculous statement

hannibal was a creation of circumstance as much as Boudicca

besides, had hannibal been in the same situation he would have been killed by the romans before any revolt began. The only reason Boudicca had a chance to be successful was because she was female and not connsidered a threat by roman government, they thought she would just roll over after they tied her and her children up and beat them in public (she was the queen and all)

Those yankee fucks sure kicked german ass. Fredrick must be tossing in his grave.
Limitless supplies of material and hillbillies to feed to the cannons. Every idiot can win with those odds. In fact every idiot did.

thats a ridiculous statement

hannibal was a creation of circumstance as much as Boudicca

besides, had hannibal been in the same situation he would have been killed by the romans before any revolt began. The only reason Boudicca had a chance to be successful was because she was female and not connsidered a threat by roman government, they thought she would just roll over after they tied her and her children up and beat them in public (she was the queen and all)

And what would Boudicca have done in Hannibals situation, hmmm?

Boudicca meets her Elephant riders:
"What are those big things? Get them away from me! AHHH!!!!"

Boudicca at Cannae:
"Alright men, heres what we'll do! We'll charge straight at them and slaughter them!"
"But my queen! The romans out number us more than 2:1! They have the tactical advantage!"
"Nonsense!"
"Alright..."

/Carthaginians charge into Roman forces and are slaughtered.

thats a ridiculous statement

hannibal was a creation of circumstance as much as Boudicca

besides, had hannibal been in the same situation he would have been killed by the romans before any revolt began. The only reason Boudicca had a chance to be successful was because she was female and not connsidered a threat by roman government, they thought she would just roll over after they tied her and her children up and beat them in public (she was the queen and all)
Didn't she went into battle topless? That must have held several legionairs in awe before beeing cutt down.

And what would Boudicca have done in Hannibals situation, hmmm?

Boudicca meets her Elephant riders:
"What are those big things? Get them away from me! AHHH!!!!"

ya, you probably have that right

both would have been compleatly inneffective in the other's position because each posessed the necessary traits to accell in their situation

Hannibal obviously has a much greater impact on the world and history as a whole, he had much greater technology, strategy and toops. And with such he was able to do much more.

Boudicca at Cannae:
"Alright men, heres what we'll do! We'll charge straight at them and slaughter them!"
"But my queen! The romans out number us more than 2:1! They have the tactical advantage!"
"Nonsense!"
"Alright..."

/Carthaginians charge into Roman forces and are slaughtered.

This is however compleatly false

Boudicca would first order all her solders to strip compleatly bare and roar to confuse her enemy, then charge in and get slaughtered by WELL TRAINED GENERALS AND SOLDIERS (which she was not/had not, respectivly)

;)

but ya, Hannibal all the way

Didn't she went into battle topless? That must have held several legionairs in awe before beeing cutt down.

at many of the battles, bleachers would be set up where the women would watch as the men fought. If the men lost, they would charge off into battle as a second wave

at many of the battles, bleachers would be set up where the women would watch as the men fought. If the men lost, they would charge off into battle as a second wave
But topless. Yes?

But topless. Yes?

most Celtic soldiers fought naked, men and women

it was probably a very good strategy against the well trained and disciplined romans

one of the reasons they never took scottland, imho

ya, you probably have that right

both would have been compleatly inneffective in the other's position because each posessed the necessary traits to accell in their situation

Hannibal obviously has a much greater impact on the world and history as a whole, he had much greater technology, strategy and toops. And with such he was able to do much more.



This is however compleatly false

Boudicca would first order all her solders to strip compleatly bare and roar to confuse her enemy, then charge in and get slaughtered by WELL TRAINED GENERALS AND SOLDIERS (which she was not/had not, respectivly)

;)

but ya, Hannibal all the way


heh, that makes sense.

Of course, this is prolly what Hannibal would have done

Hannibal in Briton:
"Ewww! What is this stuff!?!?!?"
"Its a swamp sir."
"A swamp? Why, where I come from theres nothing but sand for miles and miles!"
"Your in Briton sir, it rains 95% of the time."
"Oh well..."
"Sir! Romans are attacking!"
"EGADS! SEND OUT THE ELIPHANTS!"
"El-i-pants?"
"You know those big...aww forget it. CHARGE!"
/Celts begin to strip down/
"EGADS MEN! Im not gay!"
"But sir, this is what we always do!"
"What the? Forget it! ATTACK!"
/Celts and hannibal charge towards the romans, but all the celts drown because they trip on their pants and cant get out of the water. Hannibal is killed by a roman javelin./

Limitless supplies of material and hillbillies to feed to the cannons. Every idiot can win with those odds. In fact every idiot did.

That statement is so false that I won't even try and put up an argument against it.

But I would like to say one thing. Why does it matter how many men and material you use as long as you win the war?

The Soviets lost millions of men and more material than any other nation but in the end they defeated the Germans. You calling them idiots because they lost a lot of men and equipment is actually quite humorous. Why?

Because you still lost.

That statement is so false that I won't even try and put up an argument against it.

But I would like to say one thing. Why does it matter how many men and material you use as long as you win the war?

The Soviets lost millions of men and more material than any other nation but in the end they defeated the Germans. You calling them idiots because they lost a lot of men and equipment is actually quite humorous. Why?

Because you still lost.

Thats right!

Actually, Germany hasnt won a war since the Franco-Prussian War. Not to say they havent fought EXTREMELY well, they just didnt win.

Thats right!

Actually, Germany hasnt won a war since the Franco-Prussian War. Not to say they havent fought EXTREMELY well, they just didnt win.

The Germans have had many competent commanders and are known for having such disciplined soldiers. They fought well in both WWI and WWII but as you said, they just didn't win.