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In response to the seemingly popular atheists, have you considered your views thread, here it is:

Religious types, have you considered the ramifications of YOUR views?

Religion is and has been the greatest divider of the human race ever since its inception. More ware are fought over religion or using religion has justification than any other method of war.

Intolerance has spread hatred and fear of other groups because of people's interpretations of 'holy' scripture'. Supposed witches, muslims, jews, heathens, dissenters from the church, atheists, and more recently, homosexuals. All have been presecuted by the church (both christian, jewish, and muslim) and have spread fear of these 'sinners' through populations.

The church interferes with the political process as well. Evangelical southern preachers have endorsed George Bush in the past two elections urging their followers not to condemn their eternal souls by 'making the wrong decision'. These people use religion to back their own political philosophies, disrupting the half-democracy of the U.S.

Views of god and the afterlife try and force others to believe. Threats of hell and 'seperation' from god attempt to change the views of others, infringing on the free will that christians pride themseves on so much. The belief in god also denies the atheistic view of no god, attempting to limit the freedom of those people.

A few people with zealous faith can cause a lot of damage in the world. Have you considered the ramifications of your religious views?

True, but then again capitalists, communists, etc, have commited horrific acts in the name of politics. Do we need to ban that too?

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So true. :)

Have you considered the ramifications of your religious views?

Yes. But your post seems to be addressing the ramifications of inappropriate behavior by religious persons, not the logical ramifications of religious views. This makes it rather different from the other thread.

Religions that has a God are the new evil. Religion spawn hatred and intolerance to most everything. If it's not "moral" to them, they automatically deem it evil. Obviously, we will use religion as an enemy and unite the world against them.

What about the Daoists who simply feel that it is all part of a natural order and that we shouldn't intervene in anything?

In response to the seemingly popular atheists, have you considered your views thread, here it is:

Religious types, have you considered the ramifications of YOUR views?

Religion is and has been the greatest divider of the human race ever since its inception. More ware are fought over religion or using religion has justification than any other method of war.

Intolerance has spread hatred and fear of other groups because of people's interpretations of 'holy' scripture'. Supposed witches, muslims, jews, heathens, dissenters from the church, atheists, and more recently, homosexuals. All have been presecuted by the church (both christian, jewish, and muslim) and have spread fear of these 'sinners' through populations.

The church interferes with the political process as well. Evangelical southern preachers have endorsed George Bush in the past two elections urging their followers not to condemn their eternal souls by 'making the wrong decision'. These people use religion to back their own political philosophies, disrupting the half-democracy of the U.S.

Views of god and the afterlife try and force others to believe. Threats of hell and 'seperation' from god attempt to change the views of others, infringing on the free will that christians pride themseves on so much. The belief in god also denies the atheistic view of no god, attempting to limit the freedom of those people.

A few people with zealous faith can cause a lot of damage in the world. Have you considered the ramifications of your religious views?
Darn. Again, a post addressed to "religious people" when really all that is meant is Christians. :-/

Well, on behalf of Christians, I shall try to address this: It's not their fault. God was taken from the metaphorical heavens and concretized, given form and function to fit current philosophies popularized by Emperors and Kings. Once upon a time the king was the concrete form of the god --now he walks with gods.

You shouldn't blame the people.

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In response to the seemingly popular atheists, have you considered your views thread, here it is:

Religious types, have you considered the ramifications of YOUR views?

Religion is and has been the greatest divider of the human race ever since its inception. More ware are fought over religion or using religion has justification than any other method of war.

Intolerance has spread hatred and fear of other groups because of people's interpretations of 'holy' scripture'. Supposed witches, muslims, jews, heathens, dissenters from the church, atheists, and more recently, homosexuals. All have been presecuted by the church (both christian, jewish, and muslim) and have spread fear of these 'sinners' through populations.

The church interferes with the political process as well. Evangelical southern preachers have endorsed George Bush in the past two elections urging their followers not to condemn their eternal souls by 'making the wrong decision'. These people use religion to back their own political philosophies, disrupting the half-democracy of the U.S.

Views of god and the afterlife try and force others to believe. Threats of hell and 'seperation' from god attempt to change the views of others, infringing on the free will that christians pride themseves on so much. The belief in god also denies the atheistic view of no god, attempting to limit the freedom of those people.

A few people with zealous faith can cause a lot of damage in the world. Have you considered the ramifications of your religious views?





are you hating on religious people or fanatics?

are you hating on religious people or fanatics?

mostly just fanatics.

This thread was meant as a not so serious counter-point to the atheist thread. Although if anyone has them, I'd be happy to see some serious responses.

Religion is and has been the greatest divider of the human race ever since its inception. More ware are fought over religion or using religion has justification than any other method of war.


I would like to see you statisticaly prove this. I have a sneeking suspcition that territory and money have been equal warmongering causes.


Intolerance has spread hatred and fear of other groups because of people's interpretations of 'holy' scripture'. Supposed witches, muslims, jews, heathens, dissenters from the church, atheists, and more recently, homosexuals. All have been presecuted by the church (both christian, jewish, and muslim) and have spread fear of these 'sinners' through populations.


Six words "Love the sinner, hate the sin". Homosexuals are not perceuted by the church. Christians (many not all) believe that what they are doing is a sin, but sin is sin. All are alike. We dont go shouting at them "fag fag (in the USA)" or "poof, poof (in the UK)" (I know some do but these are fringe, all religions have fringe groups). There is no homophobia and no percecution


The church interferes with the political process as well. Evangelical southern preachers have endorsed George Bush in the past two elections urging their followers not to condemn their eternal souls by 'making the wrong decision'. These people use religion to back their own political philosophies, disrupting the half-democracy of the U.S.


Three words "Freedom of speech". These preachers have the right to say whatever the want in there churches. (and I note that you focus on Christanity unfairly at this point)


Views of god and the afterlife try and force others to believe. Threats of hell and 'seperation' from god attempt to change the views of others, infringing on the free will that christians pride themseves on so much. The belief in god also denies the atheistic view of no god, attempting to limit the freedom of those people.


http://www.christian-thinktank.com/meorburn.html

Is a web site that well explains the inacuracy of the "Love me or burn" idea.


A few people with zealous faith can cause a lot of damage in the world. Have you considered the ramifications of your religious views?

While there are examples of God ordered war in the Bible this was not general principal. And all of those examples are old covenent. The new covenent is diffrent, read about it to understand.

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In response to the seemingly popular atheists, have you considered your views thread, here it is:

Religious types, have you considered the ramifications of YOUR views?

Religion is and has been the greatest divider of the human race ever since its inception. More ware are fought over religion or using religion has justification than any other method of war.

Intolerance has spread hatred and fear of other groups because of people's interpretations of 'holy' scripture'. Supposed witches, muslims, jews, heathens, dissenters from the church, atheists, and more recently, homosexuals. All have been presecuted by the church (both christian, jewish, and muslim) and have spread fear of these 'sinners' through populations.

The church interferes with the political process as well. Evangelical southern preachers have endorsed George Bush in the past two elections urging their followers not to condemn their eternal souls by 'making the wrong decision'. These people use religion to back their own political philosophies, disrupting the half-democracy of the U.S.

Views of god and the afterlife try and force others to believe. Threats of hell and 'seperation' from god attempt to change the views of others, infringing on the free will that christians pride themseves on so much. The belief in god also denies the atheistic view of no god, attempting to limit the freedom of those people.

A few people with zealous faith can cause a lot of damage in the world. Have you considered the ramifications of your religious views?I haven't commit any of those acts, and Jesus taught the way of peace. People commit atrocities, not religion.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/meorburn.html

Is a web site that well explains the inacuracy of the "Love me or burn" idea.


And does it so laughably I don't know how people even consider the site seriously.

The removal of the abusive from the community of persons rebuttal:

I haven't smacked anyone around lately. That was simple.

The rescue rebuttal:

I'm not in trouble, go away.

Now, you could of course insist that I am in trouble and that you should really try to rescue me from.. I dunno.. something, but all you're going to do is be annoying. I know when I'm in trouble, and I've dragged myself out of the gutter once already, without your god's help. I mean, what kind of an insane person would drown rather than climb aboard the boat? The stories on that "think tank" site seem more like fundamentalists trying to convince each other that they really are right, and patting each other on the back about their increasingly bizarre analogies, than any serious attempt at persuading us godless heathens to repent.

The only times your god ever became involved in my life, he was more of a hindrance than a help, and had a habit of tying lead weights to my ankles. Some lifeguard.

Yeah cos attitudes like that arent damagin at all "give up your beliefs cos sum other people who claimed to have similar one's to yours weren't very nice".

Fucking typical malignant atheist bullshit

Yeah cos attitudes like that arent damagin at all "give up your beliefs cos sum other people who claimed to have similar one's to yours weren't very nice".

Fucking typical malignant atheist bullshit

I don't think anyone's telling you to give up your beliefs. Maybe asking you to consider the ramifications of a viewpoint that relies on blind faith and dogma over hard evidence, but not telling you to give up your beliefs.

Nice last line though. Shows me just how compassionate and caring you are.

I don't think anyone's telling you to give up your beliefs. Maybe asking you to consider the ramifications of a viewpoint that relies on blind faith and dogma over hard evidence, but not telling you to give up your beliefs.

Nice last line though. Shows me just how compassionate and caring you are.

I'm sorry, I just get sick and tired of being called a fucking conservative redneck for being a christian. It's happened a few too many times for my liking, so it's times for things to change.

The entire point of religion is that it is meant to make you show compassion for your fellow man and love for your God. Now, I don't give a fuck if you have a different God, several gods or no God at all, but when you start acting a prick to other people, you are no longer a good person. "Fundamentalists" are not religious, they are assholes.

And anyway, where is this "Hard evidence" that you say exists for atheism? There's none, you can't prove he doesn't exist, I cant prove he does exist, why can't you respect other people's beliefs and leave the past IN THE PAST?

I don't think anyone's telling you to give up your beliefs. Maybe asking you to consider the ramifications of a viewpoint that relies on blind faith and dogma over hard evidence, but not telling you to give up your beliefs.

Nice last line though. Shows me just how compassionate and caring you are.

So where, again, is this "hard evidence" of the non-existence of G-d?