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It started off alright, I lolled him into the conversation by taking his panflet and askign polite questions. But after five minutes he was on the defencive.

It began with little things like when he said the signle act of asking for salvation could cover all the sins you could ever commit.

I pointed out he was full of crap and Jesus was spinning in his grave.

He said that Jesus died for all our sins

I said, I could die for all your sins but it still wouldn't mean you'd get to heaven

He said that Jesus was sinless, so his blood covered all our sins

I asked, isn't repentence required for every sin to grant forgiveness?

He walked away

I said, doesn't the Bible say repent you shall be saved?

He said every bible but the Old King James was a lie

I ask him if the Disciples lied

He said no

I asked then shouldn't their original writings be correct?

He said that people re-wrote them

I asked isn't the Old King James based on those editions?

He said he had people to save before the Beast consumed the Earth

I suggested he seek psychiatric help...

This went on for quite some time, until people began to laugh as I made him admit that God hated him and that Jesus thought he was a liar and should go to Hell for being so stupid.

The reason you got a bad responce from him is because you were being so Sarcastic and rude.
If you didnt believe what he was saying you could have just said your not interested and walked away.

I pointed out he was full of crap and Jesus was spinning in his grave.

Very clever response.

I prefer the story of when my brothers persuaded a Johovah's witness that earthquakes weren't the wrath of God, rather the result of plate techtonics.

I pointed out he was full of crap and Jesus was spinning in his grave.

Jesus isn't in his grave dumbass... he ressurrected

My mom once told one "I don't believe in God, I believe in gnomes."
He replied "But... gnomes don't excist! No-one has ever seen a gnome!"
"Yes..?"
"..."

The reason you got a bad responce from him is because you were being so Sarcastic and rude.
If you didnt believe what he was saying you could have just said your not interested and walked away.
the reason he made a bad 'responce' is he was full of crap :p

It started off alright, I lolled him into the conversation by taking his panflet and askign polite questions. But after five minutes he was on the defencive.

It began with little things like when he said the signle act of asking for salvation could cover all the sins you could ever commit.

I pointed out he was full of crap and Jesus was spinning in his grave.

He said that Jesus died for all our sins

I said, I could die for all your sins but it still wouldn't mean you'd get to heaven

He said that Jesus was sinless, so his blood covered all our sins

I asked, isn't repentence required for every sin to grant forgiveness?

He walked away

I said, doesn't the Bible say repent you shall be saved?

He said every bible but the Old King James was a lie

I ask him if the Disciples lied

He said no

I asked then shouldn't their original writings be correct?

He said that people re-wrote them

I asked isn't the Old King James based on those editions?

He said he had people to save before the Beast consumed the Earth

I suggested he seek psychiatric help...

This went on for quite some time, until people began to laugh as I made him admit that God hated him and that Jesus thought he was a liar and should go to Hell for being so stupid.


well, gee, wow.

Aren't you the intellectual. While you are at it why don't you do something about those fucking leftists who clog the streets with their stupid protests.

Or is me being pissed off with hearing about stopping globalization cool.

The reason you got a bad responce from him is because you were being so Sarcastic and rude.
If you didnt believe what he was saying you could have just said your not interested and walked away.

that would be too easy.
who do these peopley think they're kidding

well, gee, wow.

Aren't you the intellectual. While you are at it why don't you do something about those fucking leftists who clog the streets with their stupid protests.

Or is me being pissed off with hearing about stopping globalization cool.


i think it's just you being a moron

Aren't you the intellectual. While you are at it why don't you do something about those fucking leftists who clog the streets with their stupid protests.

Or is me being pissed off with hearing about stopping globalization cool.

Nah, it's you being pissed off with free speech. Shame.

that would be too easy.
who do these peopley think they're kiddingThey have a right to their beliefs even if you dont agree with them. Humiliating someone because you dont agree with them just shows me what kind of a thug they are.

I remember one of these people handing me one of his leaflets once. I thanked him, and said, "another one to burn!" Needless to say, I was told I would burn (not as much as the leaflet would, I yelled back at him). He's entitled to believe whatever he wants (as everyone is), but how dare he stand on the street and tell other people how to live their lives?

The reason you got a bad responce from him is because you were being so Sarcastic and rude.
If you didnt believe what he was saying you could have just said your not interested and walked away.
No, it's always fun to confront people's beliefs.

Well...

...I've heard of funnier encounters, but...

...nahhh, I don't have anything to work with here.

I've run dry.

*sniffs*

I remember one of these people handing me one of his leaflets once. I thanked him, and said, "another one to burn!" Needless to say, I was told I would burn (not as much as the leaflet would, I yelled back at him). He's entitled to believe whatever he wants (as everyone is), but how dare he stand on the street and tell other people how to live their lives? Youd didnt need to yell and I find it unlikely he said you were going to burn. Im sure you added that in.
Why cant he tell you how to live your life? You dont have to do what they say. It's up to you what you do with your life

Youd didnt need to yell and I find it unlikely he said you were going to burn. Im sure you added that in.

- Depends what kind of evange he was talking with, he wasn't specific. Though it's a bit of a stretch for me too, admittedly. Sounds a little too cute for words.

Why cant he tell you how to live your life? You dont have to do what they say. It's up to you what you do with your life

- Well, it's presumptive and rude, frankly. That's why he SHOULDN'T tell him how to live his life...though I suppose matters like decorum and civility hold no meaning for the evange mindset when compared to the important task of spreading personal & spiritual uncertainty, fear & loathing.

- Nope, he doesn't have to do what the evange says. There's a good chance the evange doesn't do what HE says, either, so he'd be in good company.

- It is for now, anyway...!

I once had an encounter with a street evangelist - he asked if I would like to read a pamphlet; just for the sake of not having an argument with him I was like "ok" and then discarded it when he left

They have a right to their beliefs even if you dont agree with them. Humiliating someone because you dont agree with them just shows me what kind of a thug they are.
I wouldn't have an issue if he didn't contradict himself. Also, I wouldn't ahve an issue if he didn't missquote Catholic doctrine. For instance he claimed Catholics have a "quadrinity" with the Blessed Virgin as the fourth part of the Holy Trinity. Which is an out and out lie.

He also said that all Gospels not included in the King James Version contradicted itself, I pointed out that I know of at least five Gospel accounts that don't.

My point: If you're full of crap and I've had a bad day at work... STAY OFF THE STREETS!!!

The reason you got a bad responce from him is because you were being so Sarcastic and rude.
If you didnt believe what he was saying you could have just said your not interested and walked away.
If he didn't want to be abused for being full of nonsense (toning down the swearing :D) he shouldn't've been spouting it on a street corner. Free speech works both ways.

Besides: "Do not pray on the street corner like Preists, but go into your closet and pray there in secret"

Very clever response.

I prefer the story of when my brothers persuaded a Johovah's witness that earthquakes weren't the wrath of God, rather the result of plate techtonics.
Jehovah's Witnesses are much more fun, I strung a group along for two years thinking I'd join their cul...religion. Then told them I had decided Wiccanism was the way.

Jesus isn't in his grave dumbass... he ressurrected
For the love of God*, I hope you're being sarcastic.





*Note the irony.

My mom once told one "I don't believe in God, I believe in gnomes."
He replied "But... gnomes don't excist! No-one has ever seen a gnome!"
"Yes..?"
"..."
That's classic, permission to signature this one?!

well, gee, wow.

Aren't you the intellectual. While you are at it why don't you do something about those fucking leftists who clog the streets with their stupid protests.

Or is me being pissed off with hearing about stopping globalization cool.
Clearly any man (or woman*) who begins a sentence with "well, gee, wow" must be an intellectual.

By the way I'll argue with any person pushing a veiw on a street corner.


*No need to be sexist in my insults

that would be too easy.
who do these peopley think they're kidding
They're on a mission from God to save my soul stupid! What they don't know is I'm God...

They have a right to their beliefs even if you dont agree with them. Humiliating someone because you dont agree with them just shows me what kind of a thug they are.
Being an idiot doesn't excuse you from a public humiliation.

I remember one of these people handing me one of his leaflets once. I thanked him, and said, "another one to burn!" Needless to say, I was told I would burn (not as much as the leaflet would, I yelled back at him). He's entitled to believe whatever he wants (as everyone is), but how dare he stand on the street and tell other people how to live their lives?
Well free speech gives him the right, however your free speech gives you the right of reply.

Youd didnt need to yell and I find it unlikely he said you were going to burn. Im sure you added that in.
Why cant he tell you how to live your life? You dont have to do what they say. It's up to you what you do with your life
Oh he can preach what he like, but that doesn't excuse him from a public berating by other citizens envoking a little free speech.

Why are there still threads like this? I mean is anyone here going to convince the other side that what they are saying is true?
No matter what I say you will still hold to "No God."
No matter what you say I will still hold to "Yes God."

So let's all just die after about half a dozen decades and let's see who was right.*



*note sarcasm

I've never met anyone like that fortunately. I once was given a book by a member of a very small christian sect. He didn't even tell me what it was, he just gave it to me, so I asked "what's this?" and he said "It's a sort of comic book" (or something like that). I thought "whatever" and pocketed it. It turned out to be some religious comic book type thing. Most of it was some quite enlightened sounding christian stuff - more like what Jesus presumably intended, e.g. anti-capitalist. However, being agnostic at the time, it didn't really convince me of anything, especially since it contained creationist rubbish (it didn't even try to argue against the science of evolution (it actually made a false connection with social darwinism and talked about that instead). I threw it away. Unlike street evangelists, JW's etc. I don't think I'll ever see them again, since I think they only have about 40 members, so they're hardly likely to visit the same place twice.

Why are there still threads like this? I mean is anyone here going to convince the other side that what they are saying is true?
No matter what I say you will still hold to "No God."
No matter what you say I will still hold to "Yes God."

So let's all just die after about half a dozen decades and let's see who was right.*



*note sarcasm
This isn't a thread to seriously prove is disprove the excistance of God, it's a recount of an arguement over logic.

I've never met anyone like that fortunately. I once was given a book by a member of a very small christian sect. He didn't even tell me what it was, he just gave it to me, so I asked "what's this?" and he said "It's a sort of comic book" (or something like that). I thought "whatever" and pocketed it. It turned out to be some religious comic book type thing. Most of it was some quite enlightened sounding christian stuff - more like what Jesus presumably intended, e.g. anti-capitalist. However, being agnostic at the time, it didn't really convince me of anything, especially since it contained creationist rubbish (it didn't even try to argue against the science of evolution (it actually made a false connection with social darwinism and talked about that instead). I threw it away. Unlike street evangelists, JW's etc. I don't think I'll ever see them again, since I think they only have about 40 members, so they're hardly likely to visit the same place twice.
I have alot of such material, back when my family was religous we lived in this area where for no adequetly explained reason every second house had people from our church living there. I suspect it had to do with christians hate wasting time at church and it was the nicest area close by.

Anyway, me and some friends from Church used to collect JW litreture, shread it and mail it back. Actually we didn't have enough to fill one of those express envelopes... so we shreaded some stuff from our church to...

I have alot of such material, back when my family was religous we lived in this area where for no adequetly explained reason every second house had people from our church living there. I suspect it had to do with christians hate wasting time at church and it was the nicest area close by.

Anyway, me and some friends from Church used to collect JW litreture, shread it and mail it back. Actually we didn't have enough to fill one of those express envelopes... so we shreaded some stuff from our church to...

Ah. My friends and I got a JW leaflet while on holiday in France. I expect none of us had good enough french to read it even if we wanted to. We burnt a hole in it and put it on one of the spikes on the gate near the house.

Ah. My friends and I got a JW leaflet while on holiday in France. I expect none of us had good enough french to read it even if we wanted to. We burnt a hole in it and put it on one of the spikes on the gate near the house.
Nice... I reccomend inviting them in for a friendly animal sacrifice.

You dont have to do what they say. It's up to you what you do with your life

Exactly. And in telling me I can't practice my religion (Jesus said "Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations...teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."), aren't you telling me how to live my life?

Nice... I reccomend inviting them in for a friendly animal sacrifice.

He didn't return. He probably lived in another town. We didn't work out who he was until after he'd gone. I think answering the door shirtless with a down-pointing pentagram drawn on one's chest could be amusing.

Rotovia, are you a religious person? Really? 'Cause, in case you had not noticed, you are preaching!

Exactly. And in telling me I can't practice my religion (Jesus said "Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations...teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."), aren't you telling me how to live my life?
We can tell you how to practice your religion. If your religion infringes our rights. Such as our right to life, if your religion involves human sacrifice (as an extreme example).

Your religion can have all the doctrine (beliefs) it wants, that doesn't meen you have the right to invoke them.

But on what I think should be the point, you may use free speech to your heart's content to express your religion, however be prepared to face the rebutal of many an atheist and disgruntle former Christian.

Rotovia, are you a religious person? Really? 'Cause, in case you had not noticed, you are preaching!
Actually I am in my own way. However I'm not preaching. However, I bet saying that gave you three second of pseudo-intellectual jollies!

Preaching would look like this:

"All Christians are full of crap and you must stop spreading your crap or I will send you to hell myself"

I'm just wondering why you wasted any time talking to someone whom you're not going to convince.

He didn't return. He probably lived in another town. We didn't work out who he was until after he'd gone. I think answering the door shirtless with a down-pointing pentagram drawn on one's chest could be amusing.
:D :p

I'm just wondering why you wasted any time talking to someone whom you're not going to convince.
Bus was late.

We can tell you how to practice your religion. If your religion infringes our rights. Such as our right to life, if your religion involves human sacrifice (as an extreme example).

Your religion can have all the doctrine (beliefs) it wants, that doesn't meen you have the right to invoke them.

But on what I think should be the point, you may use free speech to your heart's content to express your religion, however be prepared to face the rebutal of many an atheist and disgruntle former Christian.
I'm always ready for a debate. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the statement about telling people how to live their lives. You can outlaw certain religious practices that infringe on peoples' rights, but Christianity doesn't, so your first point is rather irrelevant to the discussion.

it didn't really convince me of anything, especially since it contained creationist rubbish (it didn't even try to argue against the science of evolution.)
I might also say science textbooks are full of that evolutionist rubbish and don't even try to argue against the science of creation.

I might also say science textbooks are full of that evolutionist rubbish and don't even try to argue against the science of creation.

That's because it doesn't have any science. When I said creationist rubbish, I actually mean anti-evolutionist rubbish.

I'm always ready for a debate. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the statement about telling people how to live their lives. You can outlaw certain religious practices that infringe on peoples' rights, but Christianity doesn't, so your first point is rather irrelevant to the discussion.
I'm not, I'm telling you that your right to practice your religion is never absolute and there is no hypocrisy because I do no pressume to tell you how to live your life anywhere in this thread.

I remember one of these people handing me one of his leaflets once. I thanked him, and said, "another one to burn!" Needless to say, I was told I would burn (not as much as the leaflet would, I yelled back at him). He's entitled to believe whatever he wants (as everyone is), but how dare he stand on the street and tell other people how to live their lives?

How dare you tell him you'll burn his leaflet? I'll tell you: It's called "free speach", youngster. It's for everybody.

I might also say science textbooks are full of that evolutionist rubbish and don't even try to argue against the science of creation.
Yes you might, isn't fre speech grand? I can argue the Earth is flat and Jews are made of cheese, if I want. However he/she CAN try to argue against the "science of evolution". It's the best part of free speech. It's a two way street.

How dare you tell him you'll burn his leaflet? I'll tell you: It's called "free speach", youngster. It's for everybody.
Yes it is, he has the right to say he'll burn his leaflet. Providing he doesn't violate any fire laws doing it, there's no crime.

How dare you tell him you'll burn his leaflet? I'll tell you: It's called "free speach", youngster. It's for everybody.

Then one is free to tell others that they'll burn their leaflets, no?

That's because it doesn't have any science. When I said creationist rubbish, I actually mean anti-evolutionist rubbish.
Who needs facts when you have blind devotion?

Bus was late.

:) Well, as long as there was a reason.

Actually I am in my own way. However I'm not preaching. However, I bet saying that gave you three second of pseudo-intellectual jollies!

Preaching would look like this:

"All Christians are full of crap and you must stop spreading your crap or I will send you to hell myself"

I did get some jollies. Why were you imposing your views on that preacher if not to indulge your own intellectual vanity? God-people are so sitting ducks, it is not something to brag about, being able to out-debate one. They are about belief, not logic. Are you an intellectual bully? Because your behaviour is very akin to picking on the blind girl?

There are many ways to preach, as I find myself doing now :) .

Pardon the rant.

I did get some jollies. Why were you imposing your views on that preacher if not to indulge your own intellectual vanity? God-people are so sitting ducks, it is not something to brag about, being able to out-debate one. They are about belief, not logic. Are you an intellectual bully? Because your behaviour is very akin to picking on the blind girl?

There are many ways to preach, as I find myself doing now :) .

Pardon the rant.
Good for you, I hope you cleaned up. I didn't impose any veiws, I merely challenged his.

And how is challenging someone's veiws like picking on the vision impaired? It's like saying that challenging a Presidency is un-patrioti[CENSOR].

Yes you are preaching, I prefer to challenge, If your veiws can stand the test of logic you can enter the kingdom of my respect. If not, you fall short of the Glory of God. :)

An Intellectual Bully? I though intellectuals were bullied?

I wish I had been so taken aback by the approach of the last roving Christian that I encountered. This was a sneaky one. Basically, he nudged me in a crowded Halloween store last month and tried to get me to repeat the words, "I swear that I accept Jesus Christ into me heart..." I was stunned, quite frankly...later I realized I should have pointed out that trying to pressure someone into taking a false oath to God was certainly sinful, but by then I'd gotten my -ss out of the store.

There is nothing wrong with trying to intellectually engage such a person when you encounter one. They put themselves out there to interact with others. Much of the time, you'll find that their zeal is stronger than their knowledge of their faith, though, and that's when it either turns ugly or amusing (depending on how well you handle their reaction).

I wish I had been so taken aback by the approach of the last roving Christian that I encountered. This was a sneaky one. Basically, he nudged me in a crowded Halloween store last month and tried to get me to repeat the words, "I swear that I accept Jesus Christ into me heart..." I was stunned, quite frankly...later I realized I should have pointed out that trying to pressure someone into taking a false oath to God was certainly sinful, but by then I'd gotten my -ss out of the store.

There is nothing wrong with trying to intellectually engage such a person when you encounter one. They put themselves out there to interact with others. Much of the time, you'll find that their zeal is stronger than their knowledge of their faith, though, and that's when it either turns ugly or amusing (depending on how well you handle their reaction).
That would really offend me. Though in all fairness I have been randomly batpising friends and family. After I discovered in the absence of a Preist any Catholic can baptise someone... who cares if I don't practice anymore? certainly not God!

Anyway, it consists of me running past with a hose or drink bottle screaming "I baptise you im nomini Patris, et Fillium, et Spiritus Santci!"

That would really offend me. Though in all fairness I have been randomly batpising friends and family. After I discovered in the absence of a Preist any Catholic can baptise someone... who cares if I don't practice anymore? certainly not God!

Anyway, it consists of me running past with a hose or drink bottle screaming "I baptise you im nomini Patris, et Fillium, et Spiritus Santci!"

Yeah, it just kinda creeped me out...I was offended later. I wish I were Catholic so I could do run-by baptisms!

One day a guy was shouting in the street with a bible under his arms "And all those who not obey god will be thrown in the lake of fire" and I, on the other side of the street, shouted back "But I don´t know how to swim".
A lot of people laughed. :)

Then one is free to tell others that they'll burn their leaflets, no?

Of course.



"Oh good... freedom of religion. Now you're getting it!"

- Michael Douglas, as William Foster,
Falling Down

Yeah, it just kinda creeped me out...I was offended later. I wish I were Catholic so I could do run-by baptisms!
*sprints past spraying people with firehose*

Wee hee hee hee!

*look of a madman*

One day a guy was shouting in the street with a bible under his arms "And all those who not obey god will be thrown in the lake of fire" and I, on the other side of the street, shouted back "But I don´t know how to swim".
A lot of people laughed. :)
Noice noice noice!

Of course.



"Oh good... freedom of religion. Now you're getting it!"

- Michael Douglas, as William Foster,
Falling Down
:D

One day a guy was shouting in the street with a bible under his arms "And all those who not obey god will be thrown in the lake of fire" and I, on the other side of the street, shouted back "But I don´t know how to swim".
A lot of people laughed. :)

Funny. :D

That's classic, permission to signature this one?!

Permission cheerfully granted. :)

The reason you got a bad responce from him is because you were being so Sarcastic and rude.
If you didnt believe what he was saying you could have just said your not interested and walked away.

If he did not want to debate the issue then he should not stand on the corner preaching!
He has the freedom to stand o nthe street corner and preach, but I too have freedom to argue with him.