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The Arctic is Canadian Territory, however we've had a couple run-ins in the past with Denmark and Russia about that one...

And the debate over who owns what is still on going...

The question in this thread is... How do you feel about it? If war broke out who would win? who would you support and why?

Probably Russia. They have the military might and more power in the UN.

What's with all these people obsessing over war in the forums.

But my money is on the Canucks. They've got their invincible hockey teams right? They're the only ones that want that ice sheet anyways.

Eeeh, Russia is cool, but seeing as it seems to currently be a property of Canada, Canada.

Denmark.

I am consistently informed here that the scandanavians live in a "paradise".

I would hate to deprive the artic of that opportunity.

BTW, when are the canadians finally going to finalize the whole gay marriage thing. Or is it just something that you like to point the finger at the US about.

Denmark.

I am consistently informed here that the scandanavians live in a "paradise".

I would hate to deprive the artic of that opportunity.

BTW, when are the canadians finally going to finalize the whole gay marriage thing. Or is it just something that you like to point the finger at the US about.

I don't know and don't care...if it were up to me it would be finalized allready so everybody would stop bitching about it...

to hell with them, it's already canada's. no one wanted the frozen wasteland, so we took it. and now you want it? well, you can fuck off and die, this is our frozen wasteland.

I don't know and don't care...if it were up to me it would be finalized allready so everybody would stop bitching about it...


You don't care when it is finalized?

So, it is only of concern what the US does then.

Ehh....I wouldn't mind seeing the Canadians fight for wasteland-imperialism.

BTW, when are the canadians finally going to finalize the whole gay marriage thing. Or is it just something that you like to point the finger at the US about.
Well, the supreme courts of the majority of provinces (all courts that have actually made a decision on it) have already found that same sex marriages are constitutional, so as far as the majority of the population is concerned, it may as well be final. The Supreme Court of Canada will be making a decision eventually, but Supreme Court decisions take time, when they decide in favour of legalizing same sex marriage, and I'm sure they will, it will be final for the entire country. Just wait for it a bit. No provinces have put a ban on it, so finger pointing isn't unjustifiable: maybe silly, but not unjustifiable.

BTW, when are the canadians finally going to finalize the whole gay marriage thing. Or is it just something that you like to point the finger at the US about.
when the damn conservative party stops trying to force a vote on the issue so the damn supreme court can pass it.

i don't know why they're trying to make it a vote in parliment anyways, it'll pass there with flying colours. i mean, the ndp and bloc are all for it, about half the liberals are too... you've got an easy majority. they just want to push it back as far as possible. assholes.

and also, as far as i know, the only province that has issues against it is alberta. what is it about cows and oil that makes for a very conservative, bunch of people anyways?

The Arctic is Canadian Territory, however we've had a couple run-ins in the past with Denmark and Russia about that one...

And the debate over who owns what is still on going...

The question in this thread is... How do you feel about it? If war broke out who would win? who would you support and why?
Canada would win and the USA would be there for them the whole way....Despite the way some ppl think of the US we would not let anyone mess with our little brother to the north...I am an American Patriot and one of those hated conservatives but I love you Canucks....HAvea good day folks...

Not a done deal though, is it?

To be fair, I actually find canadians pointing the finger less irratating than Brits or the irish, who don't even have civil unions.

But still, see it from our point of view.

What's with all these people obsessing over war in the forums.

But my money is on the Canucks. They've got their invincible hockey teams right? They're the only ones that want that ice sheet anyways.
hey hey hey don't you underestimate the red machine. Canadians are good only in small arenas. Arctic is not a small arena. They can't (what's the word) push the enemy against the walls.

Not a done deal though, is it?

To be fair, I actually find canadians pointing the finger less irratating than Brits or the irish, who don't even have civil unions.

But still, see it from our point of view.
Objective point of view:
Canada: 6 provinces legalize same sex marriages (Whether it's final at the federal level is of no consequence, because the laws in these provinces are already set unless the supreme court decides the other way)
USA: 11 States put constitutional bans on same sex marriages.

So from your point of view, our point of view, the pope's point of view or the Queen's: the majority of Canada has already gone one way, and a significant portion of the United States has gone another. If that's not enough reason to say "You're handling things wrong, and we're handling them right" for EITHER side, than I think you're being picky.
Also, the constitutional bans were done through vote right? Well, right there is a difference in approach. "You're approaching the issue wrong" is up for grabs too.

Denmark.

I am consistently informed here that the scandanavians live in a "paradise".

I would hate to deprive the artic of that opportunity.

BTW, when are the canadians finally going to finalize the whole gay marriage thing. Or is it just something that you like to point the finger at the US about.
agreed. But then, Denmark already has Greenland. Let Canada keep their arctic paradise. Just to be fair :)

Anyway, as for who owns the ice... I don't care. Why fight about it? If it's going to come to that point, why not just give all three countries access to it if they want? International Ice... yeah, I like that plan.

Canada would win. And i would back them. Why?
Do you really think the US would want Russa to win?

Objective point of view:
Canada: 6 provinces legalize same sex marriages (Whether it's final at the federal level is of no consequence, because the laws in these provinces are already set unless the supreme court decides the other way)
USA: 11 States put constitutional bans on same sex marriages.

So from your point of view, our point of view, the pope's point of view or the Queen's: the majority of Canada has already gone one way, and a significant portion of the United States has gone another. If that's not enough reason to say "You're handling things wrong, and we're handling them right" for EITHER side, than I think you're being picky.
Also, the constitutional bans were done through vote right? Well, right there is a difference in approach. "You're approaching the issue wrong" is up for grabs too.

Alright I'll be objective.

While the US, has moved away from the position of gay "marriage" per se, it has not moved away from the idea of civil unions with full equal rights. Indeed some states have already adopted this approach.

This is exactly the approach that Germany and France have adopted, yet no-one here screams at them as intolerant biggots.

Moreover, Spain, Italy, Ireland and the UK have - as of this date - to move in any direction, although the UK claims to have plans considering civil unions, (Which seem to be put on the back burner in light of the need to band fox hunting with dogs.)

Spain, Italy and Ireland, as far as I know have no plans to adopt any recognition for same sex couples.

Nor does japan, greece, portugal, &ct.

In china and india, homosexuality is still considered illegal.

So I would say, while not at the forefront of gay rights, like belgium or denmark, the US is hardly the most oppresive country in the world for same sex couples. That is a fair statement.

Yet, going by the rhetoric on these boards you would think the US is dark age theocracy which is the worst place in the world viz a viz gay rights.

Fine: If canadians wish to attack us for being slightly behind in the gay rights sphere, I admit that canada is more enlightened regarding that issue. But please turn some vitriol on citizens of other countries that lag behind us or have adopted the approach that we seem to be heading towards. That too, is only fair.

OK.

Definately Russia. It would be a stupid and pointless war, but Russia would win. Heh, gives a new meaning to "Cold war", because its in the Artic :P. Canada would loose for sure, quite a small military I would say, and then Denmark, its so small, but it could probably beat Canada. Like Russia needs any more land thoug... :(

Yet, going by the rhetoric on these boards you would think the US is dark age theocracy which is the worst place in the world viz a viz gay rights.

Fine: If canadians wish to attack us for being slightly behind in the gay rights sphere, I admit that canada is more enlightened regarding that issue. But please turn some vitriol on citizens of other countries that lag behind us or have adopted the approach that we seem to be heading towards. That too, is only fair.

OK.
Absolutely, there's no reason not to condemn everyone that's behind or beneath you if that's what you really believe. If you're not going to go all the way in condemning, don't bother going anywhere at all.

Don't be pointing my way, though, because I don't condemn anyone. In fact, if you want my thoughts on it, there's no reason this BS "Marriage/Civil Union" idea even needs to be in legislation.

PLUS: There's North American tunnel vision to consider. Many don't know nor care about Europe, but can't get enough of what's going on in the States. Me, I really don't care, so long as it's not in my backyard.

Absolutely, there's no reason not to condemn everyone that's behind or beneath you if that's what you really believe. If you're not going to go all the way in condemning, don't bother going anywhere at all.

Don't be pointing my way, though, because I don't condemn anyone. In fact, if you want my thoughts on it, there's no reason this BS "Marriage/Civil Union" idea even needs to be in legislation.

Okay, so we're pretty much on the same page.

I just get tired of people from other countries attacking the US as the "great opressor" of gay rights. I think it happens to be unfounded and misdirected.

ya know, i really like russia cuz of their hot babes and i do admit denmark has um too but russia has some cool uniforms and the whole soviet communism thing was sweet but that was in the past, so i've just got to go with canada. freaking hockey and lacross originated there, the beer man, some babes especially the french canadians, the mounties cuz they're freaking hilarious, and the good ol' saying that everyone's familiar with "EH!" so, sorry russia but i still love ya, and sorry denmark. good luck in that war, adios.

Okay, so we're pretty much on the same page.

I just get tired of people from other countries attacking the US as the "great opressor" of gay rights. I think it happens to be unfounded and misdirected.
Wow, did I just agree with a person who goes by a name including the term "Deacon"? My godless ways must be slipping. ;)

The only country Canada has to worry about as far as ownership of the artic is the US. There are numerous "Listening Positions" in the high artic operated by the US military. (originally the DEW Line)

Wow, did I just agree with a person who goes by a name including the term "Deacon"? My godless ways must be slipping. ;)

The deacon thing is a joke from RL.

If you read most of my posts, you'll find I'm not a religious zealot. (Unless I feel like someone is going to far about something, then I can get quite "religious")

Basically, I don't like people who generalize or take extreme/unjustified positions.

If I think somone is, I will take one back.

Saying that, I have noticed that the Deacon thing freaks some people out.

So I'm thinking of changing it to bishop.