NationStates Jolt Archive

This thread is based off a comment made in another thread which got me thinking.

Either way, I've made options for Canadians, American's, and The rest of the world. I'm curious to see how it turns out, if you want, explain why you voted however you did.

I am an American anti-war protestor I would both protest the war ang give non-military support to canada. Theyd need all the help they can get.

Canadian. Accept American Occupation. I'm not sure why, but something about not getting my ass shot off.

I'm a Canadian, and I'd fight. I'd assuredly end up dead, simply from the might of the US military , but it's not as if I would live forever if I didn't fight. And who knows, we might ber able to hold off the onslaught (yeah right)

If it comes to that though I just hope my ancestors were right about death in battle getting you into Valhalla.

In theory though, it isn't certain death, all things considered the Iraqi's aren't doing badly, and we'd have better tech/land space/population... :rolleyes:

=P That's my theory anyways. I think we couldn't win a straight up war, but fighting them like the Iraqi's are...

American, fight. Canada is like our cute little brother who struggles to live in our shaddow and makes the audience laugh by the end of the show

we Americans generaly like them and I'm pretty sure they're our biggest tradeing partner so it would take so pretty bad stuff to happen before we invaded Canada

In theory though, it isn't certain death, all things considered the Iraqi's aren't doing badly, and we'd have better tech/land space/population... :rolleyes:

=P That's my theory anyways. I think we couldn't win a straight up war, but fighting them like the Iraqi's are...

no you couldn't

you Canadians wouldn't have the heart to use innocent women and children as human shields, you'd realise the fastest way to make an American occupation end is to stop fighting

but who knows, maybe you could get some arab volunteers to come in and fight

In theory though, it isn't certain death, all things considered the Iraqi's aren't doing badly, and we'd have better tech/land space/population... :rolleyes:

=P That's my theory anyways. I think we couldn't win a straight up war, but fighting them like the Iraqi's are...
Plus there would be far less support of US invasion in Canada, considering we wouldn't be "Liberated" so much as "oppressed" by it.....
Still don't want to get shot though, and I just know the first bullet would hit me. It'd be just my luck.

Of course, we'd have the advantage that we could always just hide out in US territory. My North Carolinan accent isn't all that bad, so as long as I claim to be from a diferent state than the one I'm in I am ok.

That being said, conflict with the US is among the last things I'd want. I have both friends and family living there.

Plus there would be far less support of US invasion in Canada, considering we wouldn't be "Liberated" so much as "oppressed" by it.....
Still don't want to get shot though, and I just know the first bullet would hit me. It'd be just my luck.


:D You know your having a bad day when the first American tank across the border crushes your house but misses your neighbour's :p

Canadians would certainly not accept any attack to it's sovereignty. Our reputation for being a peace loving nation will surely win the hearts and minds of the people of the world to intervene in any way.

Now here's a question: would American civilians even need to consider the "fight" option? Aren't the regular forces sufficient that civilians could just go about their day and ignore the whole thing? Assuming of course that troops aren't spread thin in other engagements (ie: they've pulled out of Iraq by this time or this is a parallel universe where there is no Iraq..... yes, I DO mean there's no Iraq, as in the country doesn't exist: I didn't just mean there's no war and I phrased it badly. ;) )

I, as an American, would take great pride in finally making New Brunswick, Newfoundland, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, British Colombia, the Yukon, Nunuvut, and the Northwest Territories the fifty-first through sixty-second states. :)

Canadians would certainly not accept any attack to it's sovereignty. Our reputation for being a peace loving nation will surely win the hearts and minds of the people of the world to intervene in any way.

psshhhhh

tell that to the Fienians

i would support military aid of Canada and even go over to canada and try and whoop some american ass

Chances are I would fight agaisnt Canada, mainly becuase being a member of Civil Air Patrol and soon to be Airforce, I woudnt have a choice, also I dont think Canada would get any nations to intervene. Mainly becuase, most nations would agree that war with the US would destroy or atleast horribly damage there economy, power, and support.

Now here's a question: would American civilians even need to consider the "fight" option? Aren't the regular forces sufficient that civilians could just go about their day and ignore the whole thing? Assuming of course that troops aren't spread thin in other engagements (ie: they've pulled out of Iraq by this time or this is a parallel universe where there is no Iraq..... yes, I DO mean there's no Iraq, as in the country doesn't exist: I didn't just mean there's no war and I phrased it badly. ;) )

Ehhhh that's why I posted it as The first two for Canadians, Second two for Americans (Since I doubt many American Civi's would fight for or against it, but they might protest, you can hope can't you?) And the last four for world.

Now here's a question: would American civilians even need to consider the "fight" option? Aren't the regular forces sufficient that civilians could just go about their day and ignore the whole thing? Assuming of course that troops aren't spread thin in other engagements (ie: they've pulled out of Iraq by this time or this is a parallel universe where there is no Iraq..... yes, I DO mean there's no Iraq, as in the country doesn't exist: I didn't just mean there's no war and I phrased it badly. ;) )

On the off chance that the US was invaded, I am fairly sure that ii an occupying force arrived in an area where the US millitary was not around, the citizens would fight.

As michael moore said: "We loves our guns"

I'm American, and I hope this doesn't happen. If it did though not only would I protest the war, I would join my Canadian brothers in their fight against the invading Americans. Together we could give them hell! :)

Now here's a question: would American civilians even need to consider the "fight" option? Aren't the regular forces sufficient that civilians could just go about their day and ignore the whole thing? Assuming of course that troops aren't spread thin in other engagements (ie: they've pulled out of Iraq by this time or this is a parallel universe where there is no Iraq..... yes, I DO mean there's no Iraq, as in the country doesn't exist: I didn't just mean there's no war and I phrased it badly. ;) )

but American civilians are the only people who can defeat an American army

once the green machine gets rolling it pretty much owns everyone with its unGodly man-power and tech. the only thing that can stop it is a hostile civilian population

look and Vietnam - Tet 1968 - America owned - the communists pushed with everything the had at the Americans and south vietnamese and by the end of the week the allies were beating communists to dead with the bodies of other dead communists - it was and increadable victory, we almost won the war

but thats when the American people turned against the war (support sunk below 50% that month) and thats when American started to loose

the same thing could happen in Iraq if we don't look out

I support releasing headcrabs on the Canadian population.

Not only would I protest the war, but I would do whatever I could to sabatoge any war effort against Canada. The circumstances where I would support a war against Canada would be extremely outrageous.

:D You know your having a bad day when the first American tank across the border crushes your house but misses your neighbour's :p
Yeah, you laugh about it now, but when the godless commies..... oh, I guess that phrase doesn't work anymore. Whatever will Master Corporal Smith do? That's his favourite phrase! Also Herman the German... hehe.
Where was I?.... oh, of course, another question is what is the goal of this invasion? Annexing Canada? A "Regime Change"? Kicking sand in Paul Martin's face and going home?
If it's annexing, and we can all vote, and our provinces get the increased powers that states have.... thing may not be so bad. I'm thinking Democratic President next election, when at least 8 out of the ten provinces swing left (Although democrats are still slightly right as far as Canadian politics are concerned.... which would change, maybe), and increased provincial autonomy.. but think about it people: do you really want to add the new stars to the flag?

as a Canadian and a Die-Hard patriot, i would willingly risk limb and life to kill every yankee that crossed my border. i will never accept American occupation of Canada.

if it ever happens, your damn rights i'll be heading down to the nearest Military base to pick up my Militia supply and prepare myself to give every drop of blood in my body to protect my Country
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not even a question in my mind

Dude. Awsome question. I'd rather shoot someone as a canadian than hug a tree as an american. w00t for homicidal tendancies!

I would leave the US in disgust and move to Thailand. Canada is an awesome nation. Corruption is virtually non-existent there. Crime is quite low. Racism and other bad 'isms' are unheard-of. It's people are so friendly it's almost scary. All in all a spectacular nation of wonderful people. I would never in a million years fight them.

I would leave the US in disgust and move to Thailand.

big step up there

ho-rah for child prostitution

but American civilians are the only people who can defeat an American army

look and Vietnam - Tet 1968 - America owned - the communists pushed with everything the had at the Americans and south vietnamese and by the end of the week the allies were beating communists to dead with the bodies of other dead communists - it was and increadable victory, we almost won the war

but thats when the American people turned against the war (support sunk below 50% that month) and thats when American started to loose

the same thing could happen in Iraq if we don't look out

We did not "own" the communists of Vietnam. The only way we would have ever won that war would be to have killed every single one of their citizens. Almost everyone helped out with the war effort. When a railroad was bombed; you would see planks put up and 70 year old vietnamese women on bicycles transporting goods. We were no where close victory, ever, in Vietnam. Those people wanted us out, and they would have fought us to their last breath to do so. Not to mention they took quite a few of our boys with them. They wanted to be communist and there was no way to stop them.

As is does seem imposable for this to happen....but anyway if we di invade canada I would not support it but I would only support our troops as they go into washington and kick bush the hell outta the white house and shovel his a** onto on of his oil wells.....anyone think that is better then any of the chooses given

but American civilians are the only people who can defeat an American army

Did you even read my post? I'm questioning why American civilians would (as you said you would do) need to fight at all, because the US regular forces wouldn't particularly need the support. If you're a soldier (I don't know if you are or not) you really don't have much choice, but is there even a need to do anything if you're a civilian.

Anyway, New Scott-land, I realize you didn't post it as an option, however, this was the manner in which someone responded. And what about indifference for Americans? No need to worry because the godless Canadians are gonna be run down no problem? Just a thought.

It would depend on what we were invading Canada for. If it was for a good reason (and it would have to be a really damn good reason) then I would regret that it had come to war, but I would fight. If it was for some bullshit reason, then I would not fight, or support the war effort in any way shape or form. I would probably move out of the country.

Now, if the United States was invaded, I'd immediately train myself in the use of firearms, and if my area was invaded, wage brutal, dirty, guerilla warfare.

We did not "own" the communists of Vietnam. The only way we would have ever won that war would be to have killed every single one of their citizens.

granted, but that was the north - I would have been content to just keep the south

Almost everyone helped out with the war effort. When a railroad was bombed; you would see planks put up and 70 year old vietnamese women on bicycles transporting goods.

again, just stick to the south

We were no where close victory, ever, in Vietnam.

after tet we pushed those bastereds back over the cambodian boarder

and look at '74 VC tanks, yes tanks were rolling tword saigon, everyone expected the south to fall and a single week of American air strikes beat back the offencive and boght the south a year of time

Those people wanted us out, and they would have fought us to their last breath to do so. Not to mention they took quite a few of our boys with them. They wanted to be communist and there was no way to stop them.

well, the ones in the South didn't as was testified by the number who bravely fought tooth and nail against the communists and the numbers who flee that country for democracy to this day

but hey, thats what you get when you trust the french to win a war and the UN to end one

I've gotta go with Shanagolia's response...

First off, I'm an American, and yes, I would fight against my own country if they tried something like that...

I'm in no way, shape, or form a military sort of person... I don't think I have it in me to kill someone (without a damn good reason for it; pretty much the only sufficient reason would be in a "him or me" situation)... Heck, I couldn't even go hunting...

In fact, I don't think I could even fight alongside our troops in whatever conflict they are currently attending to (I couldn't go to Iraq, for instance, in any role other than technical support, or something)...

If my own country is ever invaded, and I was needed, I would most likely join up... That's a completely different story than going to someone else's land, and killing people... Self-defense is permissible... If you come and attack my land, I'll do what's necessary to defend it... But I won't be a part of an offensive (unless absolutely necessary) against someplace across an ocean from me...

But if my country decided to just invade Canada? I couldn't stand for it... Patriotism be damned, I'd do whatever I can to hinder them... Protesting is useless, face it... If the government decides it wants to do something, no amount of whining from the "people" is going to change their minds... They'll just shut the windows and doors, so they can't hear you, while ordering the underlings to start firing the tear gas...

So no, I wouldn't waste my time and energy on protesting... The only thing I could do that would have any effect would be to fight somehow...

Of course, fighting them head-on would basically be suicide, but if there were any open methods of sabotage, I'd be on them... The only problem with this is that it would take much more than anything I could do to put a good enough dent in the system...

I'd imagine that there'd be some sort of resistance being organized by people of like minds... I'd help them...

Did you even read my post? I'm questioning why American civilians would (as you said you would do) need to fight at all, because the US regular forces wouldn't particularly need the support. If you're a soldier (I don't know if you are or not) you really don't have much choice, but is there even a need to do anything if you're a civilian.

Anyway, New Scott-land, I realize you didn't post it as an option, however, this was the manner in which someone responded. And what about indifference for Americans? No need to worry because the godless Canadians are gonna be run down no problem? Just a thought.

American civilians wouldn't fight but their political backing (ot lack their of) is the only thing that could loose the war

I got to say the French could never win a war unless they paid someone to do it for them...yes they may have saved our a** in our war for independance but thats only because the Brits got out wited and beaten to a bloody plup...anyway that is all done and gone, we are more frendly with the brits then the French and if you wanna know why then look at the Frenchies track record.............. the only thing they are good at it is revolting and retreating, for crying out loud...

American civilians wouldn't fight but their political backing (ot lack their of) is the only thing that could loose the war
Nice to see we're on the same page.

Like America doesn't have enough on it's plate already. It's as if America is bored, nothing to do....hmmm, what should we do today? Let's invade Canada! Fuckin morons. :headbang:

Rolanda what nation are you from? France?

granted, but that was the north - I would have been content to just keep the south

again, just stick to the south

after tet we pushed those bastereds back over the cambodian boarder

and look at '74 VC tanks, yes tanks were rolling tword saigon, everyone expected the south to fall and a single week of American air strikes beat back the offencive and boght the south a year of time

well, the ones in the South didn't as was testified by the number who bravely fought tooth and nail against the communists and the numbers who flee that country for democracy to this day

but hey, thats what you get when you trust the french to win a war and the UN to end one

I guess I assumed you meant the whole country. I suppose we did own the South, and installed a corrupt puppet government in the process. I just wish we would stay out of other countries affairs sometimes, we often do more harm than good, and look really bad in the process. Why can't we back a not-so corrupt puppet government every so often.

America invades Canada: I'd grab a rifle, a crapload of ammo, a helmet and a kevlar vest, bolt some sheet metal onto a Suburban, put some camo on it, give it firing ports, get some of my friends to get some rifles and ammo, and we're off to shoot some Canucks.

Canada invades America: I'd help fortify my hometown, grab some rifles and a HUGE crapload of ammo, an old helmet, gather some friends, convert some Cessnas into gunships, and then, we begin a great crusade, following the Canucks back into Canada.

Lol this scenario isn't going to happen... however to play along with the scenario...

It'd be really messed for me. I have a dual-citizenship... Canadian/American. I didn't pick a choice in your poll because... well... I'm kind of both, and some what "World" too (I'm asian, and while I was born/raised in north america, it's not like I've totally neglected asian culture and I've picked up a lot from my parents and family friends)

Anywho, it'd depend alot on the REASON why America was invading Canada. I'd probably support America though, because chances are if America was invading Canada there'd have to be a pretty damn strong good reason to.... seeing as anything short of that would profit America more by leaving things as they are.

On a mildly unrelated note, if America invaded Canada, the war would be over REALLY REALLY fast.

On a mildly unrelated note, if America invaded Canada, the war would be over REALLY REALLY fast.

but the resistance would last forever

I am a Canadian Army Soldier with the Princess Louise Fusiliers Light Infantry Battallion....

As a Lawrencetowner, a Nova Scotian and a Canadian I would defend Canada from anyone who dares to try and take my beloved Flag...

What the world doesn't realize is that the Canadian Reserve Force is a well trained group... There is almost a dozen units for every province... And they are equiped fairly well...

There is no doubt in my mind the Americans would win the initial fight... But they would not be able to stay long... With pressure from the world and at home... Combined with the intesity of Guerrilla Attacks from Canadian Army Reservists and the remnants of Regular Force personalle...It would force the US Armed Forces out of Canada indefinitely...

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Possibly.... it's not really comparable to most other invasions in history though, because Canadian and American culture are so similar (regardless of what many Canadian's would like to think), hence assimilation would be much easier. I think after a generation, just about all resistance would be gone, and if any were left it'd be very minimal.

Of course, if the United States actively pursued and executed every resistance member... then no the resistance wouldn't last long at all, unless you consider a small handful of people running around shooting off a few american soldiers every few weeks a significant resistance.

Oh, by the way, would this war to be destroy or to capture Canada?

Destroying... Canada could be turned into a wasteland within months (maybe A month...)

Capture? Then yes... your idea of the reservists fighting America has some merit. Not much though still.

People today are really too lenient, if someone opposes you in a war and tries to kill you, kill them first.... don't sit around going "well... ya know if we were in their shoes..." Then again, that's what the U.S probably WOULD do... so who knows.

I'm Canadian through and through, and therefore would defend my country no matter the personal cost.

As for the war itself. Initially we would get rocked. However, yes the resistance would last a long, long time. And I'm not being arrogant, but overall our troops are better trained. Just so happens America has more, much more.

It'd be interesting to see. I can't see the States invading us without a damned good excuse, reason, lie, or whatever (depends if Bush is in or not, heh). It'd also be interesting to see what foreign nations would lend us support. Namely western Europe.

All in all, a very provacative question.

Possibly.... it's not really comparable to most other invasions in history though, because Canadian and American culture are so similar (regardless of what many Canadian's would like to think), hence assimilation would be much easier. I think after a generation, just about all resistance would be gone, and if any were left it'd be very minimal.

Of course, if the United States actively pursued and executed every resistance member... then no the resistance wouldn't last long at all, unless you consider a small handful of people running around shooting off a few american soldiers every few weeks a significant resistance.


lol. I can only picture if the States conquered us, that we'd Canadianize them. :p In the north at least.

but the resistance would last forever

No, probly not.

Hmmm in regards to other countries lending their support...

That one's an iffy one. Obviously the majority of the world (unless the U.S had a good reason to be doing so, although I couldn't see it invading Canada without a good reason) would support Canada, at least politically. Militarily though? I don't see many countries in the world willing to stand up to the world military super power to save Canada...

The invasion would have more enemies than canada. How about the
possibility that the americans would be alone against other democratic
nations. And every country that have grudges with americans would
have the opportunity and support to attack. Sure the americans
would invade canada and hold it for couple of months and after
that the rest of the world would be playing dice with american
states. In american point of view this invasion has very little
to gain and very much to lose. It's impossible scenario.

Possibly.... it's not really comparable to most other invasions in history though, because Canadian and American culture are so similar (regardless of what many Canadian's would like to think), hence assimilation would be much easier. I think after a generation, just about all resistance would be gone, and if any were left it'd be very minimal.

Of course, if the United States actively pursued and executed every resistance member... then no the resistance wouldn't last long at all, unless you consider a small handful of people running around shooting off a few american soldiers every few weeks a significant resistance.

Oh, by the way, would this war to be destroy or to capture Canada?

Destroying... Canada could be turned into a wasteland within months (maybe A month...)

Capture? Then yes... your idea of the reservists fighting America has some merit. Not much though still.

People today are really too lenient, if someone opposes you in a war and tries to kill you, kill them first.... don't sit around going "well... ya know if we were in their shoes..." Then again, that's what the U.S probably WOULD do... so who knows.

I think you don't understand the Maritimes...Nova Scotians, Newfoundlanders, Prince Edward Islanders and New Brunswickers would NEVER let America take us down... The resistance there at least would never die down... The Maritimes is a fiercely cultured area of Canada... We are born fighters and will never let the Canadian Flag fall to any enemy... No matter what they bring...

I think you don't understand the Maritimes...Nova Scotians, Newfoundlanders, Prince Edward Islanders and New Brunswickers would NEVER let America take us down... The resistance there at least would never die down... The Maritimes is a fiercely cultured area of Canada... We are born fighters and will never let the Canadian Flag fall to any enemy... No matter what they bring...

you know, if you keep saying that it may come true

Invade Canada? Are you nuts?
I'm defending the better beer! (Canada's)

you know, if you keep saying that it may come true

It's true ask any of us...

Or mabye you should visit here sometime and at least see how the Nova Scotia Mainlanders, the Cape Bretoners and the Newfoundlanders think about anyone trying to take our beloved Maritime soil from us...

It's true ask any of us...

Or mabye you should visit here sometime and at least see how the Nova Scotia Mainlanders, the Cape Bretoners and the Newfoundlanders think about anyone trying to take our beloved Maritime soil from us...

Yeah, thing is, i dont know how you can have any national pride when your government is planning on phasing out its military by 2010. And anohter reason i hate canada is half the calls i get are from call centers in quebec and montreal.

Possibly.... it's not really comparable to most other invasions in history though, because Canadian and American culture are so similar (regardless of what many Canadian's would like to think), hence assimilation would be much easier. I think after a generation, just about all resistance would be gone, and if any were left it'd be very minimal.

Assimilation... pfft! I mean, we've been trying to assimilate those damned francophones for two centuries now. Come on! Hey, how's this for a deal: if the States can assimilate Quebec, they win the war and we all surrender. Talk about win-win.

depends on the situation. if canada does something stupid to provoke us, no duh i would fight. but invading bush-style just for the hell of it, no. fact, i might go fight for canada.

depends on the situation. if canada does something stupid to provoke us, no duh i would fight. but invading bush-style just for the hell of it, no. fact, i might go fight for canada.
Obviously you hate living.

Yeah, thing is, i dont know how you can have any national pride when your government is planning on phasing out its military by 2010. And anohter reason i hate canada is half the calls i get are from call centers in quebec and montreal.

I signed up to defend Canada...even if the military gets phased out... I don't care I'll be there till the very end for my country...

"It is better to die standing then live on your knees."

Obviously you hate living.

meh. beats dying a senial, greying old man in home.

As a Canadian in the Canadian military, I would fight. I'm confident in the majority of our armed forces and our training. I promise you, Americans would rue the day they invaded Canada, for many many many reasons.

meh. beats dying a senial, greying old man in home.

As opposed to being humiliated in an Abu-Ghirab fashion with your small blurry penis plastered all over national television and newspapers?

not to mention all the foreign affairs nightmares we'd have. we'd prolly be taken for the new germany (no offense to any germans out there) and we have WWIII going on and there'd be a whole mess of crap.

It is most definitely not a choice that the USA will be having to make anytime soon. There is no reason to invade Canada. It's almost like invading themselves.

as a Canadian and a Die-Hard patriot, i would willingly risk limb and life to kill every yankee that crossed my border. i will never accept American occupation of Canada.

if it ever happens, your damn rights i'll be heading down to the nearest Military base to pick up my Militia supply and prepare myself to give every drop of blood in my body to protect my Country
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not even a question in my mind
First off the invasion would never happen...And I say good for you.As an American I would defend your right to defend your home land...That is what we in America believe in the most...But if we were in some unforseeable way provoked to that point.....Ouch....Thanx guys have a good day...

As opposed to being humiliated in an Abu-Ghirab fashion with your small blurry penis plastered all over national television and newspapers?

humiliation is in ones own mind. if you dont let thigns get to you, they dont.

"It is better to die standing then live on your knees."
What about living curled up in the fetal position? It's surprisingly comfortable.

i think we have invaded enough countires for our own good

"It is better to die standing then live on your knees."

Well, make sure you all get permission from the queen first though.

Well, as a member of the Canadian Armed forces:

You think Fighting Untrained Arab fighters in Falluja is bad, just think what happens when you hit Vancouver and start being blasted by troops that train just as hard, if not harder, and just as well, if not better, than you, :P

Well, make sure you all get permission from the queen first though.
Hmm? Oh, I get it. It's because she's on our money and she's a figurehead with no real power. That's funny. And fresh too. I can honestly say I've never heard a joke about the Queen before. :rolleyes:

As a Canadian in the Canadian military, I would fight. I'm confident in the majority of our armed forces and our training. I promise you, Americans would rue the day they invaded Canada, for many many many reasons.

A friend of mine was telling me before about a exercise he had down in the States. It was Fibua (or MOUT as your Americans like it) and a lot of the Americans were doing stupid things like walking in front of windows, not making sure that they were protecting each other's flanks when taking buildings.

My friend was part of a headquarters company, the americans were regulars I think. ^_^

first i'd move from pennsylvania to canada, then i'd fight against america since i hate this country anyway. :)

Whilst I would be appauled, let's face it... nothing would happen! Australia, England, France and Germany are probally your only remote hopes. England and Australia are too far involved with America to intervene, Germany would probally opt for apathy, France really might be your only hope. They may even enjoy the chance to take back their old colony.

ya, they'd lose, but we'd suffer some heavy damage ourselves. probibly lose minasota and the dakotas for awhile.

Hmm? Oh, I get it. It's because she's on our money and she's a figurehead with no real power. That's funny. And fresh too. I can honestly say I've never heard a joke about the Queen before. :rolleyes:


That's a lot of tough talk for a subject of her britannic majesty there.

Make sure you ask her permission to be up so late. :)

A friend of mine was telling me before about a exercise he had down in the States. It was Fibua (or MOUT as your Americans like it) and a lot of the Americans were doing stupid things like walking in front of windows, not making sure that they were protecting each other's flanks when taking buildings.

My friend was part of a headquarters company, the americans were regulars I think. ^_^
You can have a sense of national pride w/out trying to belittle the American soldiers....Regardless of what you may feel about our nation or the decisions our leaders make the American forrces are second to none....No offense to my canadien bros. in arms...
By the way I am a veteran of the US Army 82nd Airborne Division...Are there any other paratroopers from around the world out there?

first i'd move from pennsylvania to canada, then i'd fight against america since i hate this country anyway. :)


Yeah, because it has been so bad to you.

As a Canadian in the Canadian military, I would fight. I'm confident in the majority of our armed forces and our training. I promise you, Americans would rue the day they invaded Canada, for many many many reasons.

So you admit that you broke the non-proliferation treaty then. Eh?

You can have a sense of national pride w/out trying to belittle the American soldiers....Regardless of what you may feel about our nation or the decisions our leaders make the American forrces are second to none....No offense to my canadien bros. in arms...
By the way I am a veteran of the US Army 82nd Airborne Division...Are there any other paratroopers from around the world out there?

I might argue that Canada's Infantry and Sniper training is better than their American counterparts.

I don't mean to belittle, but to add a amusing story. *shrug* I thought it was funny.

So you admit that you broke the non-proliferation treaty then. Eh?

Yep, all those places marked "Nuclear Free zone" Are actually hidden silos. ^_^

In theory though, it isn't certain death, all things considered the Iraqi's aren't doing badly, and we'd have better tech/land space/population...

=P That's my theory anyways. I think we couldn't win a straight up war, but fighting them like the Iraqi's are...

A lot of the people fighting the US in Iraq are religious fanatics. A country being fought for by a group of religious fanatics is different from a bunch of secular rebels. The fanatics are going to fight a lot harder and are going to worry a lot less about their own lives then someone secular would. It would be a less costly war if the US invaded a country like North Korea than Iran. The Iranians would employ everything they have and fight a lot harder then the North Koreans would.

The 'Nucks use weapons made in the US, anyway, so we could get plenty of extra ammo from all the Canadian prisoners we capture. :p

But if by some perverted twist of fate, the 'Nucks got American territory, I would gather my classmates, plenty of weapons and ammo, and wait it out. Any 'Nucks that came our way would face the power of the American firearms industry.

A lot of the people fighting the US in Iraq are religious fanatics. A country being fought for by a group of religious fanatics is different from a bunch of secular rebels. The fanatics are going to fight a lot harder and are going to worry a lot less about their own lives then someone secular would. It would be a less costly war if the US invaded a country like North Korea than Iran. The Iranians would employ everything they have and fight a lot harder then the North Koreans would.

You're forgetting national pride.

Training and Pride VS fanaticism.

And to the guy that said Insergent forces arn't doing too bad... It took America a week to clear out the biggest rebel strong hold in Iraq. JUST a week.

The 'Nucks use weapons made in the US, anyway, so we could get plenty of extra ammo from all the Canadian prisoners we capture. :p

But if by some perverted twist of fate, the 'Nucks got American territory, I would gather my classmates, plenty of weapons and ammo, and wait it out. Any 'Nucks that came our way would face the power of the American firearms industry.

*cough*

"FRAG OUT!"

:P

I might argue that Canada's Infantry and Sniper training is better than their American counterparts.

I don't mean to belittle, but to add a amusing story. *shrug* I thought it was funny.
An arguement tha tyou can make but would fall short of...I have trained extensively with the Canadien forces and am very impressed with them but all in all I feel that we are still second to none... :) ;)

An arguement tha tyou can make but would fall short of...I have trained extensively with the Canadien forces and am very impressed with them but all in all I feel that we are still second to none... :) ;)

Training with the R22e's eh? ^_^

*cough* anyways, lol, 82'nd airborne are you? Well, I believe it was your unit and the 101? Not quite sure, anyways, those two units were the best of the best in American Infantry from what I hear (could be another other than the 101 though).

I'm talking generally.

I might argue that Canada's Infantry and Sniper training is better than their American counterparts.

I don't mean to belittle, but to add a amusing story. *shrug* I thought it was funny.


Two words:

air superiority.

So you can have all the little infantry party you want while it gets smashed form the air.

Shame your government bankrupted AVRO isn't it. :(

Two words:

air superiority.

So you can have all the little infantry party you want while it gets smashed form the air.

Shame your government bankrupted AVRO isn't it. :(

You can't shoot what you can't see. And boy oh boy, try running constant air patrols the in north AND defending your own country.

We'll see how far it gets you. lol.

You can't shoot what you can't see. And boy oh boy, try running constant air patrols the in north AND defending your own country.

We'll see how far it gets you. lol.

We have a rather large air force you know. And once yours is smacked into the deck - hell one of our carriers could take out your "air force" - we will rule the skies.

You all will have to go hide in the hills, and I hear it gets awfully chilly up there.

Meanwhile, you can insurgent all you want down here. Our citizens are armed.

They did descibe to you to while you were in the military the concept of air support, right?

Two words:

air superiority.

So you can have all the little infantry party you want while it gets smashed form the air.

Shame your government bankrupted AVRO isn't it. :(

funny, NATO and NORAD's primary air combat training facility is in.... Cold Lake, Alberta... Canada

i wonder why that could be? possibly because Canadians kept winning the Top Gun award so everybody made the realisation that just maybe, we've got some of the best pilots in the world here. your air superiority would last about 5 minutes

A lot of the people fighting the US in Iraq are religious fanatics. A country being fought for by a group of religious fanatics is different from a bunch of secular rebels. The fanatics are going to fight a lot harder and are going to worry a lot less about their own lives then someone secular would. It would be a less costly war if the US invaded a country like North Korea than Iran. The Iranians would employ everything they have and fight a lot harder then the North Koreans would.

ever seen a pissed off Canadian? we don't act much different from a Religious Fanatic, you threaten us and we won't care if we live or die, as long as we take a shitload of enemies with us

funny, NATO and NORAD's primary air combat training facility is in.... Cold Lake, Alberta... Canada

i wonder why that could be? possibly because Canadians kept winning the Top Gun award so everybody made the realisation that just maybe, we've got some of the best pilots in the world here. your air superiority would last about 5 minutes

*yawn*

You mean the US Navy "Top Gun" school. Not in canada.

Nor is "red flag".

But I'm am sure all the imaginary F-14's that Canada has let them win tons of top gun awards.

You don't even have a domestic aviation business anymore. You are flying our planes. And like we didn't keep a few things back from you.

BTW, enjoy our F-22s when it happens.

*yawn*

You mean the US Navy "Top Gun" school. Not in canada.

Nor is "red flag".

But I'm am sure all the imaginary F-14's that Canada has let them win tons of top gun awards.

You don't even have a domestic aviation business anymore. You are flying our planes. And like we didn't keep a few things back from you.

BTW, enjoy our F-22s when it happens.

oh, are you really gonna beleive a movie? Top Gun hasn't been in Miramar since the late 70s-early 80s.

oh, your right, we did buy your F-18s, but we stripped them down to almost nothing and rebuilt them to be better suited to Canadian climate and our needs.

i garantee you, the Canadian CF-18 is almost on the same scale as the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet

BTW, your F-22s won't be in regular use until sometime mid-2010

I wouldn't support the war, but i would fight just to kill people. I personallly think Canada is pretty cool, but I would fight against them just for the hell of it

oh, are you really gonna beleive a movie? Top Gun hasn't been in Miramar since the late 70s-early 80s.

oh, your right, we did buy your F-18s, but we stripped them down to almost nothing and rebuilt them to be better suited to Canadian climate and our needs.

i garantee you, the Canadian CF-18 is almost on the same scale as the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet

BTW, your F-22s won't be in regular use until sometime mid-2010

Okay. Quick breakdown for you.

1. Canada has no F-14s therefore no "Top Guns"

2. F-18 is part of the "light fighter" program. It is not an air superiority fighter. Less'n you start coming up with some F-15s you is in trouble.

3. You don't no what "red flag" is so I don't even know why I'm having this discussion.

4. There are already F-22 squadrons in service.

You can have a sense of national pride w/out trying to belittle the American soldiers....Regardless of what you may feel about our nation or the decisions our leaders make the American forrces are second to none....No offense to my canadien bros. in arms...
By the way I am a veteran of the US Army 82nd Airborne Division...Are there any other paratroopers from around the world out there?

I can't exacly say what I am due to poor knowledge of english but
I was curious about few things:
1. How long does the american military training last?
2. Do everyone get stipend to college or university after that?
3. Can forengers enlist?
4. if you have previos military training does it count agaist the training periot?

Does canada have things like these?

Ok, on Air support:

The idea of air support is kinda like pinpoint artty at any place at in a short ammount of time.

Ie: useful for taking out large structures or pinpointed enemy buildings\areas.

The problem behind this? The north is not a very good place for being able to pinpoint structures and areas. Heavily wooded, bad weather, lots of mountains.

You could fly your F-18's and F-15's over us as much as you want and chances are, you wouldn't find much, not with the ammount of land you'd have to cover in the weather you'd have to cover it in.

This is not to be confused with the idea of CAS, or close air support.

In close air support, air support is called in during a battle or skirmish to help kill the enemy. this is usually a A-10 or a F-18, or something suitable to the situation. Could be Apachies or Super Cobra's as well.

This is usually a fairly effective method of killing the enemy.

Problem? With all your hightech systems and stealth capabilities, you've yet to see what happens when you match your military might up against a enemy of similiar technological standing when you're fighting on THEIR ground.

I don't give two cents to a helo's chance at living in a heavily forested area where it is VERY easy to melt into the forest, even with hightech detection abilities.

There are, after all, a variety of things that can take a helo down. Now we may not have the plathora of RPG's that the middle eastern and african countries seem to, but we've got war stocks of the old style M72 that are quick, easy, and pull\point\press.

Detection:

Thermal, IR, what have you.

Yes, this is a problem when approaching Helo's, but as good as detection is, when the pilot is consintrating on hitting the enemy in front of them, well, no one can pay attention to everything all the time, ad a M72 won't leave much of a thing to detect before it blows up in your face.

Of course, it's true you REALLY shouldn't fire those things straight up, ^_^ but there are lots of ways to avoid that, lol.

:rolleyes:
For the record, you have obvious Air, Naval and Ground superiourity over the Iraqi's. Yet you've still managed to lose 1,000 men. Give the Iraqi's formal training, better weapons, body armor, and world support...

As well, aren't we part of NATO?
Wouldn't NATO members (Other than America) Have an obligation to get involved, I thought there was a part that said basically any NATO member attacks any other NATO member, then the attacker get's the wrath of all the rest of the members?

And how willing do you think most of the countries in it are willing to sacrifice their own country to protect Canada? Sure they'll support Canada OFFICIALLY... but will they dare stand up against the U.S in military combat? not likely

Oh, 1100 lost in that long is VERY VERY few, if you really put things into perspective.

Anywho, to those of you who are all "Canadians would never let American's take over! We'd fight to the death!" and blah blah blah, I wonder how many of you would still take that stance when there's a marine with an M16 pointed at your face? Not many. I know ALOT of people who are all "I hate Americans and America! I'll always support Canada!" blah blah blah (I live in Canada, I hear it alot... being an American citizen among other things), but seriously most of them would probably faint at the site of someone being shot, and couldn't bring themselves to shoot someone, AND would probably shit their pants if someone pointed a gun at them.

But anyway, like I said before, the major problem with war is that people are too concerned over minimizing civilian casualities and being "nice". War isn't nice. I'm willing to bet right now in Iraq there are MANY MANY so called civilians whom, if you gave them an rifle and put them behind an american soldier, wouldn't hesitate to shoot. I don't see why so much effort should be put into minimizing such casualties.

Of course an all out bombing wouldn't be good either... because then you couldn't do anything with the land after you've taken it.... but it WOULD work. Do it to one city and the rest of the country will be scared shitless.

This is all rather pointless though... the United States wouldn't invade Canada lol.

You didn't give the reason for the war. Obviously, I'd support the war if Canada was supporting terrorists, but if it was just a landgraab, I wouldn't. Either way, though, I'd still go off to war, seeing as I'm in the Navy.

I, as an American, would take great pride in finally making New Brunswick, Newfoundland, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, British Colombia, the Yukon, Nunuvut, and the Northwest Territories the fifty-first through sixty-second states. :)
Then the blue states would have a majority and America would then have a liberal government.

I would join the american military so that I could team kill and defect to canada.

im in the UK, and it really would make my day if i could go and sharpen myself a stick, put on a bandana (with a little canadian flag on the front), strip to the waist and get some machine gun bullets from somewhere and wrap them round my chest, cover myself in mud, put twigs in my bandana and have stripey tiger camo paint on my face then get on a plane to the canadian/us border and then throw myself onto a american tank, knock on the door, wait for the guy to look out then whack him round the head with my sharpened stick, then jump in the tank and turn it round and blow up all the other american tanks, then get out and shout, 'george bless america my arse', then return the borders to what they were originally, then get back on the plane and go home in time for tea. that would be nice, yes.

I don't support war or killing of any kind. I am not of America or Canada. I would send aid to Canada - being the 'victim' but not of a military nature, as this is just joining the war. A friend of mine once said (excuse the crassness) "Fighting for peace is like f*cking for virginity".

I don't support war or killing of any kind. I am not of America or Canada. I would send aid to Canada - being the 'victim' but not of a military nature, as this is just joining the war. A friend of mine once said (excuse the crassness) "Fighting for peace is like f*cking for virginity".

The problem is that sometimes there is an aggressor involved and unless that aggressor is fought and defeated, it will continue to be aggressive.

An example is germany or japan in ww2 or israel in the present day or (potentially, if the iraq invasion is indeed followed by another) the US.

Invasion of Canada?!?!?!

Wow, this is one of the craziest hypothetical questions I've ever heard

Yeah, thing is, i dont know how you can have any national pride when your government is planning on phasing out its military by 2010. And anohter reason i hate canada is half the calls i get are from call centers in quebec and montreal.


Huh they just spent 8 billion on new copters. I think the military will be rebuilt once we get rid of the moron liberal government.

AND UMMMMM YOU KNOW THE US ALREADY TRIED TO INVADE CANADA AND LOST?

Why wouldnt a non conventional war work against the usa in canada, i mean we talk like you, look like you. I think we could take out the usa eventually or at least harm it badly...

All in all a really stupid thread..

:eek: J

wonder how many of you would still take that stance when there's a marine with an M16 pointed at your face? Not many.

Depends. People are generallly like sheep untill you get them mad enough. I'm great at getting people mad. "Look at that American soldier! He's killing women and raping babies! There's just ONE of him!" lol.

*cough* joking aside, I'd bet you 300 meters and a fireteam buddy that he'd never get close enough to point that M16 in my face, ^_^

I'm American and I would fight for Canada. You didn't have that option in your poll choices.

I'm American and I would support the war, frankly because we would have to have a damn good reason to do it in the first place.

AND UMMMMM YOU KNOW THE US ALREADY TRIED TO INVADE CANADA AND LOST?
Back during the War of 1812, yeah. Use your brain for a minute.

The thing is, I'm an eighth Canadian. Which places me in an interesting predicament. Should I lie with my nationalist American beliefs, or side with my bloodline? Well, I'm an eigth Cherokee too, so it all cancels itself out. I'd go with the Stars and Stripes. :)

yeah, well.... I just like the canadians more than the americans.... so I would support canada in every aspect...

As an American I am obviously against that, but I am against this Iraq war as well.

I'm American and I would fight for Canada. You didn't have that option in your poll choices.

Well yeah, the guy who started it figured that not many Americans would kill their own people, honestly if you dont like it here we would NOT be sorry to see you go up north, have fun!

Huh they just spent 8 billion on new copters. I think the military will be rebuilt once we get rid of the moron liberal government.

AND UMMMMM YOU KNOW THE US ALREADY TRIED TO INVADE CANADA AND LOST?

Why wouldnt a non conventional war work against the usa in canada, i mean we talk like you, look like you. I think we could take out the usa eventually or at least harm it badly...

All in all a really stupid thread..

:eek: J

Ok, we tried to invade you when you were still English, In fact, you are still England, the Queen of England still appoints a large number of your government, we invaded you during 1812, so in a way, we defeated Canada allready!

AND UMMMMM YOU KNOW THE US ALREADY TRIED TO INVADE CANADA AND LOST?
In the 1800's, wasnt it? When you had British support, and we had stupid generals.

Yeah, I think even if Canada fought we would crush them.
Soldier: Look out sir! The Canadians are mounting a cavalry charge!
Officer: Oh no! Our huge-ass tanks cant stand up to their mounties! RETREAT! RETREAT!

I can't believe there are Canucks stupid enough in here to think they'd win a war against the U.S. Canucks are so liberal, I'd be surprised if there was ANY resistance against an American invasion force. And even if there was, and it was so bad that it wiped out the U.S. army, do you have any idea how many Americans would pick up a gun and march up to clash with your lumberjacks/mounties? Our population is huge, and our pride for our country is immense-we wouldn't let a bunch of soft-spoken pot-smokers runover our army.

i was debating this with myself the other day a little more, then i went ahead and started asking friends/family and classmates about it(College) and after putting everything together, i came to the conclusion that our military would provide us with just enough time for quite a dedicated militia to form up.

thats the one thing that home team advantage gives us, the fact that if you try to take away something that our loved ones call home, we will do anything in our power to stop you.

small army? sure, but if even 1/10th of our population rose up against America, (30 Million Dived by 10) thats 3 Million die-hard Canadians who would not stand for it. even if the U.S Military sends its entire military to Canada (approx. 500,000 people) the odd still are against them

not to mention JTF2 is the best trained military unit in the world, i'm sure they'd go in and knock out at least half of the U.S's ability to make war within the first couple days. its not like fighting Iraq where your enemy looks, acts and dresses different form you, this is fighting a war where a casual conversation could occur between mortal enemies without either of them knowing it

Don't really care.

This thread is based off a comment made in another thread which got me thinking.

Either way, I've made options for Canadians, American's, and The rest of the world. I'm curious to see how it turns out, if you want, explain why you voted however you did.

I had to think this over a little before I voted. Excellent job with the poll, by the way.

I decided I'd probably fight. I know, I know, I'm most often saying that I'm opposed to violence, but I guess I can't deny that a big part of me would rather go out fighting than live under the yoke of oppression.

I believe in Canada, just as my parents, and their parents before them, did. I feel pride knowing that our society stands for great things, and I WOULD fight to protect them if I had to.

Let's just hope this never actually comes up. I'd hate to think what War might make of me.

I'm a Brit, and i'd go with military aid to help fight canada if it came to war. It's more noble(and fun, even though it would probably involve me dying) to fight for the underdogs who need the help most.

Canada is our friend. I would be against it. However, if we had a reason to inavde, a good reason, I would support. But I don't like the idea of us fighting Canada. I'm across the Lake Erie from Canada. I don't feel like getting hit with Canadian cruise missiles. Also, if anything, Canada and America should peacefully merge into a single nation, not through force.

Viva the United States of North America!! (Mexico, you're next! Even though half of you already live here...)

Wow, can't keep up with this topic! Anyway looks like the population of the rest of the world are fimly in favour of sending military aid to Canada. Can't see the US holding out against all that and a resisting population. In that scenario either the US would have to back down and accept a stringent cease fire, probably rather like those imposed on Japan and Germany after the Second World War or they would be pushed to resorting to nukes in which case game over.