NationStates Jolt Archive


United North America?

Letora
24-11-2004, 22:49
If Canada and the United States Of America joined togather, what do you think would happen?
Los Banditos
24-11-2004, 22:53
The EU would freak out and complain. They would then make their union formal and become a nation as well. There would have to be a name change for the new United States/Canada nation. I think the UAC (United American Continent) would work nicely.
Kwangistar
24-11-2004, 22:55
Why would we want to merge with Canada?
Commie-Pinko Scum
24-11-2004, 22:55
Would be interesting to see though, as the right wing majority of the US attempt to merge with Canda which is left of centre :P Commie pinko scum indeed!

They've liberalised the trade boundaries though with NAFTA though *shrugs*
Lascivious Maximus
24-11-2004, 22:56
As long as the union was followed by a complete overhaul of political aggenda and structure on both sides - lets get it right this time!

then we can all be friends, drink nice cool beer and eat some waffles together!
Lascivious Maximus
24-11-2004, 22:58
On second though, lets just obliterate the idea of countries all together, after all thats just as likely to happen. We can organize the world into a series of equilateraly ruled regions. Freedom for all the earths inhabitants.
Chiva
24-11-2004, 22:59
Would be interesting to see though, as the right wing majority of the US attempt to merge with Canda which is left of centre :P Commie pinko scum indeed!

They've liberalised the trade boundaries though with NAFTA though *shrugs*

NAFTA is garbage. Free trade is only available when the americans want it.
Lascivious Maximus
24-11-2004, 22:59
Of course, you realize im talking directly out of my ass right?

lets work on getting a long before we work on getting together!
Los Banditos
24-11-2004, 23:00
I would only want Canada and the US to merge if the EU got out of hand. Or if Canada had some finacial crisis. Otherwise, they should stay seperate.
Von Witzleben
24-11-2004, 23:03
Oh no. Not another one of these.

The question is why would Canada want to be part of the US? You all act like Canada already requested to become part of the US.
Why would we want to merge with Canada?
Armandian Cheese
24-11-2004, 23:03
It's a nice idea, since it gives the US access to Canada's vast, mainly unpopulated lands, and gives Canada access to US militarry protection, but it would never happen. Canadians are far too anti-American for it to work.
Excalbia
24-11-2004, 23:06
Political union is probably impossible - and becoming more so each year - and not really necessary. I have, however, always liked the idea of a North American Economic Union including the US, Canada, Mexico and, eventually, the entire Carribbean basin. I would like to see free trade, common immigration and customs control and, eventually, monetary union. It would take a long time, though, to phase in, at least as long as it took to phase in the EU, about 50 years.
Dub Dizzle
24-11-2004, 23:09
If Canada and the United States Of America joined togather, what do you think would happen?

Quebec would seperate.
Iztatepopotla
24-11-2004, 23:10
I don't see how Canadians would want to form part of the US. The US is very much against things that Canadians take for granted, and Canadians would be at a severe disadvantage in any form of representative government because of population.

Specially if Europe gets out of control, that's when Canada will more likely want to remain separate and play both sides.
Stroudiztan
24-11-2004, 23:10
Why would we want to merge with Canada?

Because you'd get to use all our resources?
Takuma
24-11-2004, 23:11
I must shoot whoever voted yes.

The ramifications? I might start a rebellion and use tactical nuclear devices to my advantage, but that's only if! :mp5: ;)
Presgreif
24-11-2004, 23:12
Um, no thank you. :rolleyes:
Joey P
24-11-2004, 23:13
Why would we want to merge with Canada?
To get more educated people voting?
Dobbs Town
24-11-2004, 23:14
The only way to 'unite' the two would be if...

nahhh, it's not worth it.
Kwangistar
24-11-2004, 23:15
Because you'd get to use all our resources?
We can't already? Multinational and other corporations already have access to Canadian resources, the US does not (by in large) operate with the state controlling resources, so it wouldn't matter if we owned Canada or not.
ZebenBurgen
24-11-2004, 23:15
Political union is probably impossible - and becoming more so each year - and not really necessary. I have, however, always liked the idea of a North American Economic Union including the US, Canada, Mexico and, eventually, the entire Carribbean basin. I would like to see free trade, common immigration and customs control and, eventually, monetary union. It would take a long time, though, to phase in, at least as long as it took to phase in the EU, about 50 years.

yes free trade would be nice but first you americans will have to smarten up and stopping puttin huge tariffs on everything we export to you, were the worlds largest trading partners after all.
BastardSword
24-11-2004, 23:22
Well what would happen:

- Gay marriage would be illegal in Canada.
- Marijuana would be legalized

Canada's Army would be seen as a superior fighting force with our technological know how and there hockey players.

We would have 70 states? I forget how many provinces are in Canada...20?

We would all be saying "Eh?" and "aboat". Hockey would be as famous in America as baseball used to be.

There would be more democrats and Libertarians.
Smilleyville
24-11-2004, 23:27
Well, not a bad idea to begin with, but tere are certain problems:
Who would lead this unity? Bush? THE QUEEN (well, that would be a nice thought... And before you ask, I KNOW how much authority the queen has/hasn't over Canadia)?
How would you convince Quebec? They want to get away from a "union" already...
It would toss over the political climate once again.
I know I may sound a little too extreme, but you could also forget the stunning environment of Canada.
Ever asked yourself what the Canadians would think? Almost certainly losing all the social policies they have worked out for decades...

Think about it.
Excalbia
24-11-2004, 23:28
yes free trade would be nice but first you americans will have to smarten up and stopping puttin huge tariffs on everything we export to you, were the worlds largest trading partners after all.

Actually, I would favor a common market - no internal tariffs at all and a common foreign trade and customs policy.
Kwangistar
24-11-2004, 23:30
To get more educated people voting?
Actually according to the 2001 and 2003 Canadian and US Censuses, respectively, Canada has a higher percentage of highschool dropouts than the US.

http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/education/cps2003/tab01a-01.pdf
http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/products/highlight/Education/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo=PR&View=1b&Code=0&Table=2a&StartRec=1&Sort=2&B1=Distribution&B2=Both

Edit : Highschool dropouts, not non-highschool dropouts.
BastardSword
24-11-2004, 23:30
Well, not a bad idea to begin with, but tere are certain problems:
Who would lead this unity? Bush? THE QUEEN (well, that would be a nice thought... And before you ask, I KNOW how much authority the queen has/hasn't over Canadia)?
How would you convince Quebec? They want to get away from a "union" already...
It would toss over the political climate once again.
I know I may sound a little too extreme, but you could also forget the stunning environment of Canada.
Ever asked yourself what the Canadians would think? Almost certainly losing all the social policies they have worked out for decades...

Think about it.

Which Social policies? They keep Marujuna, but lose gay marriage (gay marriage is relatively new).
They keep their healthcare, but can freely use American if they can afford it.
Basically they get best of both worlds.
Alexias
24-11-2004, 23:35
As a few people said before, it could not work.


First, Canadians are much more patriotic than you would think, in our own way.In addition to that, Canadians would be angry for many many reasons, our political systems are not compatible, and it would not work on so many levels

But, say a plausible example of how it could happen. All of the MP's and the PM decide to agree to some weirdass proposal to join the United States(assuming the States suggested it)> Some politicians shake hands, smile on camera, everthing goes down all legal.

1.) America would make sure american companies got all the good shit, made it easier for them.

2.American would station troops in Canada, for stratigic reasons, but also in anticipation of the bad shit from within.

3.America makes many reforms in Canada

(the above all happens/begins at once, within the first several weeks.)

First, their would be massive protests, riots and acts of civil disobediance nationwide(in Canada).Canadians would likely start destroying public buildings, attacking american company buildings. Near Anarchy. US must declare martial law to quell the rioting, rioting goes down a bit, but continues sparatically, cases of civil disobediance rise.Then groups would organize forces to attack the american soldiers, and some would run into the wilderness and operate from there as guerilla groups. Terrorist attacks would steadily rise as the youth rallied to expell the americans. Soon, people would be going to american cities to commit acts of terrorism, and causing a heap more of problems. Separatist movements in Canada, Quebec separatists would arm themselves and fight the americans, combining with the Canadian terros squads. Separatist movements would begin in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, P.E.I, causing even more trouble. The Alaskan and Norther Canadian seperatists would make their move to create an independant country formed from the state of Alaska and the Northwest Territoties, and start guerrila war aswell as open rebellion. An Iraq mentality would form in america, some people saying "those Canadian mofos, let me at'em" others saying " That was wrong in the first place, fuck our goverment" and then" too many of our boys are dieying up there, and your wasting my taxes" and then even " I don't wanna serve!" and then maybe even, protests and riots. And if the americans left the problems would not end, not just in Canada, but in the states to, because they would have created the bloodbath next door. That is what would happen in the first year, I am guessing.
ZebenBurgen
24-11-2004, 23:35
Well what would happen:

- Gay marriage would be illegal in Canada.
- Marijuana would be legalized

Canada's Army would be seen as a superior fighting force with our technological know how and there hockey players.

We would have 70 states? I forget how many provinces are in Canada...20?

We would all be saying "Eh?" and "aboat". Hockey would be as famous in America as baseball used to be.

There would be more democrats and Libertarians.

Our army is pretty good as it is but there are 9 provinces and 3 territories and I don't have a problem with banning gay marrige its a sin and I think its wrong to alow it in a country founded on christian morals.
Alexias
24-11-2004, 23:44
Which Social policies? They keep Marujuna, but lose gay marriage (gay marriage is relatively new).
They keep their healthcare, but can freely use American if they can afford it.
Basically they get best of both worlds.


It wouldn't happen. Our healthcare? You'd refuse to fund it. Gay marriage? We want it. And say you do continue to fund our healthcare? Well, all the rich people get the good american healthcare, whereas poor from Canada and flocks of them from the U.S come and overhaul our healthcare even more than it is already.

And as for the weed, we haven't legalized it yet, and that's another discussion, but with the U.S at the head, we'd wouldn't even have a chance to consider it.


And, our political systems are not compatible. We are used to many parties, and the constant possibilities of new, real players on the field,wheareas you have two parties, and local representation on the national level, whereas you have none. I very much doubt the U.S would agree to switch to the parlimentry system, so, we have yours. All our existing political parties and political figures would become totaly powerless, as americans would vote for americans, and even if not that, we would not have the money to campaign across the states.

It would be devastating,literally.
Alexias
24-11-2004, 23:48
Our army is pretty good as it is but there are 9 provinces and 3 territories and I don't have a problem with banning gay marrige its a sin and I think its wrong to alow it in a country founded on christian morals.


there you go. It wouldn't work. and have as big an army as you like, Imagine Iraq times two, with your army being spread across a country bigger than your own with endless wilderness for the gurillas to hide in.


I have to go now, but I will keep in this discusion later.
Smilleyville
24-11-2004, 23:48
Which Social policies? They keep Marujuna, but lose gay marriage (gay marriage is relatively new).
They keep their healthcare, but can freely use American if they can afford it.
Basically they get best of both worlds.

Eh, you sure the Canadians will keep their policies? Call me pessimistic, but if there will ever be a such union, I think America will simply take over everything and apply their laws. So goodbye free healthcare AND Marijuana...
Joey P
25-11-2004, 00:22
Actually according to the 2001 and 2003 Canadian and US Censuses, respectively, Canada has a higher percentage of highschool dropouts than the US.

http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/education/cps2003/tab01a-01.pdf
http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/products/highlight/Education/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo=PR&View=1b&Code=0&Table=2a&StartRec=1&Sort=2&B1=Distribution&B2=Both

Edit : Highschool dropouts, not non-highschool dropouts.
Shit, that screws that idea.
Dub Dizzle
25-11-2004, 00:45
Our army is pretty good as it is but there are 9 provinces and 3 territories and I don't have a problem with banning gay marrige its a sin and I think its wrong to alow it in a country founded on christian morals.

The Canadian Forces are in shambles. Trust me, my best friend just finished his 3 years and i hear all about it everytime we hang out...not only from him but from some of his army friends as well. Nobody knows better than they do and i know their comments are genuine. Such a shame. :(
DeaconDave
25-11-2004, 00:51
Screw Canada. Nice people but too cold.

I vote we go with Mexico. That is way cooler.
Irrational Numbers
25-11-2004, 00:59
Why would we want to merge with Canada?

I think a better question is why would Canada want to merge with us?
Letora
25-11-2004, 01:18
Oh no. Not another one of these.

The question is why would Canada want to be part of the US? You all act like Canada already requested to become part of the US.

Auuughhhhh

Nobody said that..Just I guess people interpit it that way...

It's simply just a question... IF Canada and the U.S. joined togather...WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN...
Via Ferrata
25-11-2004, 01:28
If Canada and the United States Of America joined togather, what do you think would happen?

Why not, but I think that it would end in two States: The US of Canada (so Canada and the rich,thinking and economicly developed part of the US coasts) and Jezusland that would be a economical wastefield.

Don't think it will happen, but i think that the developed states have more feeling with Canada then with Jezusland.
Los Banditos
25-11-2004, 01:31
Why not, but I think that it would end in two States: The US of Canada (so Canada and the rich,thinking and economicly developed part of the US coasts) and Jezusland that would be a economical wastefield.

Don't think it will happen, but i think that the developed states have more feeling with Canada then with Jezusland.

The breadbasket of the world would be an economic wasteland? I think you fail to see how many people in the world are fed by the "Bible Belt"
DeaconDave
25-11-2004, 01:33
Why not, but I think that it would end in two States: The US of Canada (so Canada and the rich,thinking and economicly developed part of the US coasts) and Jezusland that would be a economical wastefield.

Don't think it will happen, but i think that the developed states have more feeling with Canada then with Jezusland.


Have you ever been to any of these "blue" states which virtues you are extolling.

They are not all that my friend.
Via Ferrata
25-11-2004, 01:36
The breadbasket of the world would be an economic wasteland? I think you fail to see how many people in the world are fed by the "Bible Belt"

I don't know. We aren't.
And from what I see, the EU supports the 3th world most with money :UN,(easy here since the US does not pay shit towards thi sorganisation) direct supply aso.and food, last time it was a 3/5th 2/5th situation. But I understand (if that is what you mean) that they suport a lot of the US.
Von Witzleben
25-11-2004, 01:38
Why not, but I think that it would end in two States: The US of Canada (so Canada and the rich,thinking and economicly developed part of the US coasts) and Jezusland that would be a economical wastefield.

Don't think it will happen, but i think that the developed states have more feeling with Canada then with Jezusland.
Oh realy? Just wait till Jesus rewards the citizens of Jezusland by turning water into wine and feeding all of them with fish.
Via Ferrata
25-11-2004, 01:42
Oh realy? Just wait till Jesus rewards the citizens of Jezusland by turning water into wine and feeding all of them with fish.
:p Good one. Better performance then Ajax ;)
Los Banditos
25-11-2004, 01:44
I don't know. We aren't.
And from what I see, the EU supports the 3th world most with money :UN,(easy here since the US does not pay shit towards thi sorganisation) direct supply aso.and food, last time it was a 3/5th 2/5th situation. But I understand (if that is what you mean) that they suport a lot of the US.

I am pretty sure that we export a lot of grain to other nations. I am also sure that the state of KS gives quite a bit of wheat to Russia. Kind of neat how a Russian brougth wheat to Kansas and now some is sent back.
Von Witzleben
25-11-2004, 01:46
:p Good one. Better performance then Ajax ;)
I don't watch football.
Via Ferrata
25-11-2004, 01:47
I am pretty sure that we export a lot of grain to other nations. I am also sure that the state of KS gives quite a bit of wheat to Russia. Kind of neat how a Russian brougth wheat to Kansas and now some is sent back.

That is true. Think you mean Kansas by KS (not a US one), it is one of the biggest producers in the world and I don't counterspeak that they export a lot to Russia (they are perhaps their biggest importers after Oekraine).
Via Ferrata
25-11-2004, 01:49
I don't watch football.

I know, and I know (from the NL topic) that you aren't a real Dutch but more a EU citizen that lives there and has been around on the continent.Was just a grapje hoor.
Von Witzleben
25-11-2004, 01:51
I know, and I know (from the NL topic) that you aren't a real Dutch but more a EU citizen that lives there and has been around on the continent.Was just a grapje hoor.
Goed, gut. Kein vuiltje an de sky.
New Anthrus
25-11-2004, 01:52
It'd be a great idea. We already have pretty much the same culture, and we are streamlining our two economies. Why not have a political union as well?
And btw, I don't think Canada is as far left as it is hyped up to be. The left-leaning people live around the same places as in the US: along the two coasts. Granted, that is everyone, but a fair amount of people live in the prarie provinces, especially in Alberta. They tend to be farther right than the rest of the country.
Hobbslandia
25-11-2004, 03:05
I would be totally against any merger between Canada and the US.
That being said, perhaps the Americans would like to buy it. (They did purchase Alaska)
i suggest a price of 5 million US dollars per Canadian resident (don't panic, the total would barely cause a blip on the US deficit) plus one of the nice warm under-utilized states for us all to relocate to (Arizona seems likeable and a lot of us spend the winter there anyways) :cool:
Superpower07
25-11-2004, 03:05
I would only want Canada and the US to merge if the EU got out of hand.
Yeah - this Pan North American union against the EU would support the idea that "Power should be a check to power," as Montesquieu put it
Drugopia
25-11-2004, 03:16
the only way i could see this working is if both Government bodies where disolved and a new Government formed taking the good from both systems

i wouldn't live under an American Political system and i'd garantee that most Americans wouldn't live under a Canadian system.

as for whomever said the Queen idea... she can stay the hell outa North America's business. i wouldn't be suprised if Canada relinquished all alleigance towards the queen within the next few years anyways, none of my generation seem to even like her (or her kids)
Dakini
25-11-2004, 03:22
why would we want to merge with the u.s.?


i mean, look who they chose to lead them, no thanks.

we're fine on our own. and hell, having invented two of the more popular sports they play and apple pie, they've stolen enough shit from us.
Gurnee
25-11-2004, 04:19
Why would we want to merge with Canada?

The real question is why whould Canada want to merge with the US?
Letora
25-11-2004, 04:28
The real question is why whould Canada want to merge with the US?

Why do you keep saying that?...
The question is...if Canada and the US joined togather...WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN?
Larksland
25-11-2004, 04:40
Political union is probably impossible - and becoming more so each year - and not really necessary. I have, however, always liked the idea of a North American Economic Union including the US, Canada, Mexico and, eventually, the entire Carribbean basin. I would like to see free trade, common immigration and customs control and, eventually, monetary union. It would take a long time, though, to phase in, at least as long as it took to phase in the EU, about 50 years.

yea thats a genious idea, get out ur history book and see what happened to the Habsburgs when u try to control something of that size, and with such completly differant cultures, and diversity, the government would loose control.
:fluffle: :gundge: :mp5: :mad: :sniper:
Larksland
25-11-2004, 04:42
why would we want to merge with the u.s.?


i mean, look who they chose to lead them, no thanks.

we're fine on our own. and hell, having invented two of the more popular sports they play and apple pie, they've stolen enough shit from us.

look who they choose to lead them?? what problem do u have with Bush???
and oh wow i am soo proud of u guys for inventing pie
Dakini
25-11-2004, 04:47
look who they choose to lead them?? what problem do u have with Bush???
and oh wow i am soo proud of u guys for inventing pie
do you know what your defecit is right now?

and no, it's not because people aren't spending enough. it's because your president cut taxes to the upper 1% and then increased military spending.

and we also invented basketball, baseball, penecilin and superman. not to mention rescuing black people from the slavery in your country.
Los Banditos
25-11-2004, 04:50
do you know what your defecit is right now?

and no, it's not because people aren't spending enough. it's because your president cut taxes to the upper 1% and then increased military spending.

and we also invented basketball, baseball, penecilin and superman. not to mention rescuing black people from the slavery in your country.

I thought basketball was made in Lawerance, KS by James Naismith?

EDIT: Sorry, it was invented in Springfield, Mass but he was a professor at KU.
Larksland
25-11-2004, 04:55
do you know what your defecit is right now?

and no, it's not because people aren't spending enough. it's because your president cut taxes to the upper 1% and then increased military spending.

and we also invented basketball, baseball, penecilin and superman. not to mention rescuing black people from the slavery in your country.

yea i know the deficit, and yea i know bush has made tons of mistakes, but did u see what the alternative was?? KErry?? we have obviously had problems with terrorists in 2001, so our priority should be national security, if we had kerry in office we'd freakin be bombed everyday , Bush will at least do something about it, and not sit and take attacks.

and are ya using any electricty right now?? where do u think that came from?? and whats with ur big thing about all the canadian inventions what country doesnt have tons of inventions and scientific discoverys?? and u rescued the black people from slavery?? it wasnt jsut canada the northen states of the us helped them, and what was the civil war about?? its was the northern us, in the civil war that got them their freedom
Larksland
25-11-2004, 04:59
I thought basketball was made in Lawerance, KS by James Naismith?

EDIT: Sorry, it was invented in Springfield, Mass but he was a professor at KU.

yea i didnt think basketball was canadian, but i didnt know what it was so i couldnt say anything.....and wasnt penicilin invented by a british guy?? i cant remember exactly but i was pretty sure he was british
De minimus
25-11-2004, 05:47
Why would we want to merge with Canada?
God why would we want to merge with America? I guess then we could have a gun, put retarded people to death, have painfully long elections, be hated by most of the rest of the world and even go to foreign countries and kill their citizens. Not.
Heck Hell
25-11-2004, 06:27
should join The European Union
what do you all think of that idea.
IDF
25-11-2004, 06:39
I would agree as long as Quebeck didn't come with Canada. I can't deal with French people and don't want to.
Schrandtopia
25-11-2004, 06:44
I don't know. We aren't.
And from what I see, the EU supports the 3th world most with money :UN,(easy here since the US does not pay shit towards thi sorganisation) direct supply aso.and food, last time it was a 3/5th 2/5th situation. But I understand (if that is what you mean) that they suport a lot of the US.

you dumb shmuck

America contributes more money to that worthless piece of crap orginization that anyone in the world (including the whole of the EU) in the vain hope that it will one day, against all odds and kofi annon get it's shit together

American and Japan combine account for over 80% of the UN's funding

with out American there would be no UN, don't say we don't do our part, we do our part and the part of more than half the world
Rolanda
25-11-2004, 07:05
lets work on getting a long before we work on getting together!

I couldn't agree more!
De minimus
25-11-2004, 07:05
I would agree as long as Quebeck didn't come with Canada. I can't deal with French people and don't want to.
Then I would suggest that you not venture North....and it's Quebec.
Peardon
25-11-2004, 07:28
I don't know. We aren't.
And from what I see, the EU supports the 3th world most with money :UN,(easy here since the US does not pay shit towards thi sorganisation) direct supply aso.and food, last time it was a 3/5th 2/5th situation. But I understand (if that is what you mean) that they suport a lot of the US.
My friend you are wrong the American tax payers support the third world with more mone yand food the n any other nation and the USA outspends the UN by about 10% annually on third world countries...So what if we don't pay a bigger portion of the dues levied against us by the UN... Wha tdoes the UN do for the USA...? Oh and by the way the USA's bread basket produces more food for non USA consumption then any other nation on earth...
New Jopolis
25-11-2004, 07:32
i dont know who thought there were 20 or 9 canadian provinces. :confused: there are 10 provinces and 3 territories in canada. (british columbia, alberta, saskatchewan, manitoba, ontario, quebec, new brunswick, PEI, nova scotia, newfoundland are the 10 provinces, yukon, NWT, and nunavut are the 3 territories
Soviet Haaregrad
25-11-2004, 07:37
yea i didnt think basketball was canadian, but i didnt know what it was so i couldnt say anything.....and wasnt penicilin invented by a british guy?? i cant remember exactly but i was pretty sure he was british

James Naismith was a Canadian. Basketball was invented in the US by a Canadian. He also invented volleyball.
Dakini
25-11-2004, 07:43
James Naismith was a Canadian. Basketball was invented in the US by a Canadian. He also invented volleyball.
see.

i pay attention during my canadian heritage moments.
Sebastian Sethe
25-11-2004, 07:52
The proggressive democracy would be replaced with
progressive corporate representation. No way.
Nazi Aurelia
25-11-2004, 07:54
"if we had kerry in office we'd freakin be bombed everyday , Bush will at least do something about it, and not sit and take attacks."

Oh, yeah, Bush did a great job reading the CIA report on August 6th, entitled "Bin Laden determined to strike within the US".

Reality Check, he never read it. Wouldn't you? Wouldn't you be scared by such a report? Wouldn't you delay a game of golf to read it?

Furthermore, Bush showed us his leadership skills on Sept. 11th, staying in a school for 37 minutes after being informed that the US was under attack.

And best yet, Bush did a wonderful job hunting down Bin Laden (even after trying to blame Sept. 11th on Saddam Hussein) in Afghanistan, sending roughly 10,000 troops into the Country. More troops were used during the attack on Fallujah than there ever were US troops in Afghanistan.

Good job defending us, and not sitting on his ass, huh?


Oh, and btw, I don't let ignorant Southerner Conservatives speak for the Northern States. So don't try.
Los Banditos
25-11-2004, 07:54
James Naismith was a Canadian. Basketball was invented in the US by a Canadian. He also invented volleyball.

He counts as an American as well; he was a US citizen. Both countries can take credit.
Hobbslandia
25-11-2004, 08:17
I thought basketball was made in Lawerance, KS by James Naismith?

EDIT: Sorry, it was invented in Springfield, Mass but he was a professor at KU.

Dr. Naismith "invented" basketball at McGill University in Montreal, Canada.
He took the game to Mass. when he was offered a position there.
Penicillin was invented by Dr. Fleming who was British, you are thinking of Dr. Frederick Banting, a Canadian, who invented Insulin.
Peardon
25-11-2004, 08:21
If Canada and the United States Of America joined togather, what do you think would happen?
Nothing....It wouldn't happen...Well not until the tribulation takes place atleast and ANTI-Christ rules the world....
Los Banditos
25-11-2004, 08:23
Dr. Naismith "invented" basketball at McGill University in Montreal, Canada.
He took the game to Mass. when he was offered a position there.
Penicillin was invented by Dr. Fleming who was British, you are thinking of Dr. Frederick Banting, a Canadian, who invented Insulin.

I guess everyone likes to claim they are the home of it (Kansas, Massachusetts, Canada)
Hobbslandia
25-11-2004, 08:55
I guess everyone likes to claim they are the home of it (Kansas, Massachusetts, Canada)

For the Record:


Dr. James Naismith
The Inventor of Basketball 1861-1939

In the autums of 1891, Luther Gulick, head of the Physical Education Department at the International Training School of the Young Men's Christian Association (YMCA) in Springfield, Massachusetts, asked James Naismith and the other physical education instructors to develop new games that could be played indoors during the winter. Gulick knew that the students, who were YMCA physical education directors from various cities throughout the United States and Canada, found the traditional drills and exercises monotonous. He needed games that the students could learn readily and would enjoy playing.

The instructors experimented with combinations and variations of existing games but none were satisfactory. Naismith remembered rock-throwing games he had played with boyhood friends in the farming and lumbering community where he had been born near Almonte, about thirty miles south-west of Ottawa, Ontario. From analysis of the advantages and disadvantages of these and other games he had enjoyed in his youth, he created a new game that today is the world's most popular team sport.
Grays Hill
25-11-2004, 09:01
I like the idea of Canada and the US mergeing. I have always thought it should happen. I also think that the US, and the rest of North America, or even South America should all switch to the same currency, like they did with the Euro. We could call it...the Amero, because its the Americas.
Alexias
25-11-2004, 09:13
as I said before, I belive the following is what would happen.




As a few people said before, it could not work.


First, Canadians are much more patriotic than you would think, in our own way.In addition to that, Canadians would be angry for many many reasons, our political systems are not compatible, and it would not work on so many levels

But, say a plausible example of how it could happen. All of the MP's and the PM decide to agree to some weirdass proposal to join the United States(assuming the States suggested it)> Some politicians shake hands, smile on camera, everthing goes down all legal.

1.) America would make sure american companies got all the good shit, made it easier for them.

2.American would station troops in Canada, for stratigic reasons, but also in anticipation of the bad shit from within.

3.America makes many reforms in Canada

(the above all happens/begins at once, within the first several weeks.)

First, their would be massive protests, riots and acts of civil disobediance nationwide(in Canada).Canadians would likely start destroying public buildings, attacking american company buildings. Near Anarchy. US must declare martial law to quell the rioting, rioting goes down a bit, but continues sparatically, cases of civil disobediance rise.Then groups would organize forces to attack the american soldiers, and some would run into the wilderness and operate from there as guerilla groups. Terrorist attacks would steadily rise as the youth rallied to expell the americans. Soon, people would be going to american cities to commit acts of terrorism, and causing a heap more of problems. Separatist movements in Canada, Quebec separatists would arm themselves and fight the americans, combining with the Canadian terros squads. Separatist movements would begin in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, P.E.I, causing even more trouble. The Alaskan and Norther Canadian seperatists would make their move to create an independant country formed from the state of Alaska and the Northwest Territoties, and start guerrila war aswell as open rebellion. An Iraq mentality would form in america, some people saying "those Canadian mofos, let me at'em" others saying " That was wrong in the first place, fuck our goverment" and then" too many of our boys are dieying up there, and your wasting my taxes" and then even " I don't wanna serve!" and then maybe even, protests and riots. And if the americans left the problems would not end, not just in Canada, but in the states to, because they would have created the bloodbath next door. That is what would happen in the first year, I am guessing.


And you have a bigger army than us, you say? I know, our army is a broken outdated, useless piece of shit, as far as I am concerned it is not working at all. But Imagine Iraq, times two(I was gonna say three, but I'll be modest) and your great army, Spread across a country BIGGER than your own, and with vast, massive wilderness for guerrilas to hide in.Our Army is broken, but our people, well, you'd be surprised.


And, if the U.S and Canadian goverment attempted such a thing, it would probably be disatrous on the international front aswell. Countries in the Carrabean, Central America and Europe, they would fear increased U.S control, and find ways to distance themselves from the States. Japan would hide, Europe would band ever closer together and distance from you, and the world would flea into isolation from you as your army was pecked at by guerilla forces and Urban attacks, as your army was overstreched across the great land, as the terrorist attacks on american cities mounted, and as this foolish endavor drained your economy.



That is my prediction.
Alexias
25-11-2004, 09:22
For the Record:


Dr. James Naismith
The Inventor of Basketball 1861-1939

In the autums of 1891, Luther Gulick, head of the Physical Education Department at the International Training School of the Young Men's Christian Association (YMCA) in Springfield, Massachusetts, asked James Naismith and the other physical education instructors to develop new games that could be played indoors during the winter. Gulick knew that the students, who were YMCA physical education directors from various cities throughout the United States and Canada, found the traditional drills and exercises monotonous. He needed games that the students could learn readily and would enjoy playing.

The instructors experimented with combinations and variations of existing games but none were satisfactory. Naismith remembered rock-throwing games he had played with boyhood friends in the farming and lumbering community where he had been born near Almonte, about thirty miles south-west of Ottawa, Ontario. From analysis of the advantages and disadvantages of these and other games he had enjoyed in his youth, he created a new game that today is the world's most popular team sport.



it's true.


and as for those who say we "Steal" things from you, well, if you start playing that game where all terrible thieves! You stole the zipper and velcro, the world stole the self lubricating engine, the united states stole music from black slaves, we stole your pies and your cable, and China has been robed blind, it would just never end, you dumbasses! The world stole the train, Russia stole the nuke, Japan stole the TV, the TV guy stole the radio, it just becomes totaly idiotic!


And as for "everyone in Canada but Quebec", half of Canada is Quebec, and in my Canada at least, without Quebec, my country is severed. Saying you don't like Quebeckers is like saying you hate people descended of Mexico. And you have your own French Population, dumbasses. Cajens, descended from the Acadians deported by the english from Nova Scotia, live in swarms around parts of the south, not to mention all the Hatians in New Orleans and New York. Idiots....