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Prisoners of N. Korea relate chemical "experiments."

Eutrusca
24-11-2004, 17:44
SEOUL — North Korean scientists are said to have conducted lethal gas experiments on political prisoners in the 1970s that were still happening as recently as 2002.
In 10 hours of interviews Monday, three North Koreans detailed chilling experiments in which prisoners were placed in glass chambers and exposed to chemicals that killed them within hours, said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights group based in Los Angeles.

Mr. Cooper said the accounts came from North Koreans now living in South Korea and who purportedly were involved in the experiments.
"The openness and the specificity of the description of these murders was quite remarkable," Mr. Cooper said. "On the other hand, the lack of any inkling of remorse on the part of the individuals decades later — this kind of action I found to be quite shocking.
"The attitude of the scientists ... was these were political prisoners, they were as good as dead anyway, and therefore, utilizing them for experiments held really no moral implications whatsoever."
Mr. Cooper said the interviews were arranged by other human rights activists in Seoul, not by the South Korean government.
None of the three North Koreans were present at the press conference, and few other details were released about them.
In a meeting later with South Korean Foreign Ministry officials, Mr. Cooper said, "there was absolutely no attempt to deny these kinds of activities on the part of the South Korean official I met. He did say it was unfortunate."
Mr. Cooper detailed an account from a 31-year-old North Korean chemist who said he was involved in one of two parallel groups involved in experiments.
The chemist's group experimented on animals, and recorded data on a chart.
The defector told Mr. Cooper that if the experiments were successful, "we then turned over the results to our colleagues, and they were experimenting on human guinea pigs."
Two of the North Koreans Mr. Cooper spoke with were sources for two presentations by the British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) earlier this year.
Those programs featured interviews with North Koreans who said chemical experiments were conducted on humans, as well as documents that were said to have been smuggled from inside the country.
Pyongyang denied the reports.
The experiments are on a different scale and for different reasons than those of the Nazis, Mr. Cooper said. But the reports underscore the importance of incorporating human rights issues into discussions with North Korea, he said.
South Korea has avoided direct confrontation with North Korea on human rights issues. The North Korean Human Rights Act, signed into law in October by President Bush, was criticized by several members of the ruling Uri Party, who saw the measure as antagonistic and a threat to reconciliation between the Koreas at a time when economic cooperation is increasing.
Vittos Ordination
24-11-2004, 17:47
This is horrible.

Why were they testing the chemicals, what were they for?
Kellarly
24-11-2004, 17:50
hey, i know its off topic, but in relation to the middle east thread, what did you think of my idea Eutrusca? just curious to find out...
Joey P
24-11-2004, 17:51
Are we talking about new chemical weapons? What kind? What were the results? Does anyone know?
Eutrusca
24-11-2004, 18:00
hey, i know its off topic, but in relation to the middle east thread, what did you think of my idea Eutrusca? just curious to find out...
I have looked for that thread, but can't seem to find it anywhere! Anyone know where it may have gone???
Eutrusca
24-11-2004, 18:01
Are we talking about new chemical weapons? What kind? What were the results? Does anyone know?
All I know about this is what was in the article. Sorry.
Nulands
24-11-2004, 18:21
what????

am i missing the point here or something.

every country does this sort of thing,

the USA und UK probably spend 1000's times more on it
:headbang:
Joey P
24-11-2004, 18:26
what????

am i missing the point here or something.

every country does this sort of thing,

the USA und UK probably spend 1000's times more on it
:headbang:
No, the US and UK don't test chemical weapons on people. The US doesn't even maintain a chemical weapons program. We are in the process of destroying our stockpile.
Nulands
24-11-2004, 18:28
they may not test them now, but have done on thousands.
is it any worse that the tests are done 50 years ago
or 50 days ago?
Joey P
24-11-2004, 18:29
they may not test them now, but have done on thousands.
is it any worse that the tests are done 50 years ago
or 50 days ago?
When did either the US or UK test chemical weapons on people? I have never heard of such a thing.
Kanabia
24-11-2004, 18:30
No, the US and UK don't test chemical weapons on people. The US doesn't even maintain a chemical weapons program. We are in the process of destroying our stockpile.

Oh yeah?

http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/arc_features/religion/whitecoat11-98.html

Biological weapons, but same principle.
Nulands
24-11-2004, 18:32
re: US has no chemical weapon program.

you must be joking!!
ah, now, you must have been tricked by the fact that the US
does not have a LETHAL chemical weapons program...

fukin up people must be ok if they don't die?

non-lethal weapons for domesic use are still allowed,
developed, tested - and used

guantanamo bay, anyone
Eutrusca
24-11-2004, 18:37
If I could figure out just who is feeding some of you such vile disinformation about what the US does in regard to chemical weapons, Guantanmo Bay, civilian deaths in Iraq, and on and on, I would personally find them and kick their damned asses!

When you make such wild accusations against my Country, which I dearly love, it makes me so mad I could spit nails! I think what I'm going to start doing is scanning each thread I log onto and if the subject deals with the US, place a number of you on "ignore." Some of the damned lies you believe are incredible. :( :confused: :mad:
Joey P
24-11-2004, 18:41
Oh yeah?

http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/arc_features/religion/whitecoat11-98.html

Biological weapons, but same principle.
I had never heard of this. It's unethical, and should probably never have been done. Still, they were volunteers, and the research was for development of vaccines. This makes it less horrible than the N. Korean incident.
Joey P
24-11-2004, 18:43
re: US has no chemical weapon program.

you must be joking!!
ah, now, you must have been tricked by the fact that the US
does not have a LETHAL chemical weapons program...

fukin up people must be ok if they don't die?

non-lethal weapons for domesic use are still allowed,
developed, tested - and used

guantanamo bay, anyone
Like what? Tear gas? Pepper spray? Both are harmless in the long term, and I have been exposed to pepper spray. It's not too bad. It doesn't really fuck you up, just incapacitates you temporarily
Kanabia
24-11-2004, 18:48
I had never heard of this. It's unethical, and should probably never have been done. Still, they were volunteers, and the research was for development of vaccines. This makes it less horrible than the N. Korean incident.

Yeah, but they went public about this one. Of course there would be others kept secret, probably during WW2.

(Though...how can you know that the DPRK experiments weren't conducted with the mindset of generating a remedy or countermeasure against chemical agents?)
Nulands
24-11-2004, 18:56
If I could figure out just who is feeding some of you such vile disinformation about what the US does in regard to chemical weapons, Guantanmo Bay, civilian deaths in Iraq, and on and on, I would personally find them and kick their damned asses!

When you make such wild accusations against my Country, which I dearly love, it makes me so mad I could spit nails! I think what I'm going to start doing is scanning each thread I log onto and if the subject deals with the US, place a number of you on "ignore." Some of the damned lies you believe are incredible. :( :confused: :mad:

i usually feel the same on hearing americans' comments on
terrorism, the middle east and 'freedom and democracy'

you need to read between the lines, my friend

the 'ignore' bit it probably why you missed the comments in the first place.

order yoself a copy of 'Quantum Psycology' ;)