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Democrats should have won the last American election. How can they win the next one?

The media never fully explained Bush's poor record.

Kerry never explained his good record in Congress.

Do you guys have any other ideas?

They have to show that they can make the country better, and tell America how they plan to do it, or they can't win. It's that simple.

Also, I have a problem with your assertion that the Democrats should've won the last election. Truth is, they didn't deserve it.

They have to show that they can make the country better, and tell America how they plan to do it, or they can't win. It's that simple.

Also, I have a problem with your assertion that the Democrats should've won the last election. Truth is, they didn't deserve it.

What makes you believe that Democrats could create a better country?

They won, except the Republicans cheated on the vote counting.

I'd say the democrats should all move to a better country, like canada or france or somewhere in northern europe and just get on pre existing reasonable tickets.

Then they'd win elections because their beliefs would be shared by the great majority of the population.

Democrats should have won the last American election. How can they win the next one?Oh boy, this oughta be good...

The media never fully explained Bush's poor record.I guess cutting everyone's taxes, destroying a majority of the leadership of an international Islamo-fascist terror organization, and liberating 50 million people from terror-obsessed dictatorships is "poor" in your opinion. I would love to see what you consider "good." Let's see...

Kerry never explained his good record in Congress.So, no bills (that's ZERO) of any significance in 20 years in the Senate is considered "good?" Being named the Senate's #1 Liberal (in fact, Kerry makes Ted Kennedy come across as the conservative Senator of Massachusetts, if that's actually possible,) is that "good?" What do you call voting to cancel or de-fund every major weapon system the military depends on? Is that "good?" Or, what about proposing to de-fund the intelligence agencies AFTER a major terror attack on US soil in 1993? Is that "good" as far as Senate records go?

Do you guys have any other ideas?Actually, I do have some ideas. First of all, wake up and smell the coffee...being "anyone but Bush" wasn't a good strategy. Get some candidates that actually reflect America and American values (Joe Lieberman was the one of the Nine Dwarves that got the closest to reflecting America.) And for crying out loud, get yourselves from under the Clintons' yoke. That's just for starters.

What makes you believe that Democrats could create a better country?

I don't honestly think they can, any more than I think the Republicans can. They'll have to make an effort to convince people that they can, though, rather than just attacking the other guy, if they want to win.

They won, except the Republicans cheated on the vote counting.

You can't honestly believe that the Republicans cheated their way to a 100,000-vote margin in Ohio, or an even larger one in Florida.

I'd say the democrats should all move to a better country, like canada or france or somewhere in northern europe and just get on pre existing reasonable tickets.

Then they'd win elections because their beliefs would be shared by the great majority of the population.

what makes you think that any of the countries you listed are better then America? Btw us Republicans would like them to leave.

(I wasn't serious when i said they cheated the vote to win the election)

Karl Rove is a brilliant politician advisor. He crafted everything, and Kerry just fell into his hands.

I'm a liberal/democrat and I will admit that how Kerry's campaign handled the situation was pathetic. And also, the republicans played dirty during the last campaign, and that probably caught the democrats offguard as well. But anyway, democrats acted too late and didn't pounce on opportunities like the republicans did.

Kerry should have laid off the facts/statistics during last couple of months. The people who use reasoning and logic are already rooting for Kerry. If he had made an appeal with emotion, things could have been different.

I wish we could place Obama or Hillary on the ballot. But after this election, I'm beginning to think America isn't ready for a woman or black president yet. I hate rural america . . .

Well obviously take over the media.

*sticks a donkey on his left arm*

C'mon guys! We've got under 4 years to take over the Reich-....er...Congress!

Karl Rove is a brilliant politician advisor. He crafted everything, and Kerry just fell into his hands.

I'm a liberal/democrat and I will admit that how Kerry's campaign handled the situation was pathetic. And also, the republicans played dirty during the last campaign, and that probably caught the democrats offguard as well. But anyway, democrats acted too late and didn't pounce on opportunities like the republicans did.

Kerry should have laid off the facts/statistics during last couple of months. The people who use reasoning and logic are already rooting for Kerry. If he had made an appeal with emotion, things could have been different.

I wish we could place Obama or Hillary on the ballot. But after this election, I'm beginning to think America isn't ready for a woman or black president yet. I hate rural america . . .

How did the Republicans play dirty?
How were the Democrats caught offguard?
What opportunities were pounced on by Republicans? and not Democrats?
IF Kerry told the facts, and the truth, he would have lost even more.
If you Democrats use reason and logic, how come you have no reason why you like Kerry and dislike Bush? you just do...

what makes you think that any of the countries you listed are better then America? Btw us Republicans would like them to leave.

(I wasn't serious when i said they cheated the vote to win the election)


I suppose france could be debated, though it certainly has a more literate national culture.

As for canada and (lets say, norway and belgium)

They are better countries because they treat their citizens better, abstain from the mass murder of foreigners and have better systems of education and more reasonable governments.

Additionally, if you are willing to foot the bill for an international move, I'm game.

Well obviously take over the media.

*sticks a donkey on his left arm*

C'mon guys! We've got under 4 years to take over the Reich-....er...Congress!

We are trying to be serious. Jerks should go to New Jerkey.

Additionally, if you are willing to foot the bill for an international move, I'm game.

I'll pay for your taxi to the CaNURDian boarduer.

How did the Republicans play dirty?
How were the Democrats caught offguard?
What opportunities were pounced on by Republicans? and not Democrats?
IF Kerry told the facts, and the truth, he would have lost even more.
If you Democrats use reason and logic, how come you have no reason why you like Kerry and dislike Bush? you just do...

Wow, you really are blind. Anyway, Karl Rove used the same tactic on Kerry as he did on John McCain, which was "get a bunch of military guys together and have them lie about their record." McCain was pretty pissed when Bush used this tactic on him several years ago, and it was damn effective. He even asked Bush to stop the tactic, but gave in since, most likely, McCain wants to run for presidency and doesn't want to alienate the Republicans.

Opportunities!! If Kerry had gotten off his ass and gotten his boat crewmembers to testify for him, the 527's wouldn't have been able to do so much damage. Second, they took a loooongg ass time to respond to republican's alligations/claims.

As for facts and logic, both sides used "facts". Kerry had a habit of exagerating his facts. Bush has a habit of manipulating his facts, trying to deceive people. For instance, the whole "Kerry voted against military spending 91 times" or some weird bullshit. Kerry didn't vote against it that many times. What happened was that a bill would contain several articles in it. So if a Bill for military spending had 10 articles for reducing military spending, Bush would say "OH, he voted 10 times against military spending." But Kerry only voted against it once. Of course, Kerry did vote against military spending. However, he's a liberal, and he realizes that violence doesn't solve anything, but I guess republicans can never understand that.

As for your last sentence, I have no idea of what you are trying to say.

How can Dem's recover.

The apostrophe is unecessary. Maybe teaching the populace to read and write would be a start.

Anyway, Karl Rove used the same tactic on Kerry as he did on John McCain
I was living in South Carolina during the 2000 GOP primaries. That "Black baby" thing was hilarious.

I'm facsinated by these parralel(sp) overwhelming desires to 'help' the democrats and simultaniously dance on thier graves. I think both urges come from the same place and are conditions of what the republicans did right this election:

Repitition. The party was full of strict disciplinarians as far as party line went-they hosed the media with a fixed message and the media obediently hammered it home 24 hours a day.

Of course I'll be derided for commenting on the 'vast right-wing conspiracy' and notions of 'liberal media.'

No, I don't think republicans meet on Wensday and recieve thier secret orders. They meet in drive time on AM radio. They meet on 'opinion' news on the 24 hour cycle. They meet as various members of the administration and cabinet say the same exact thing over and over again on news program after news program. Thats discipline. And the audience repeats it over and over again.

The media has been beaten into a marshmellow. To paraphrase a Daily Show bit, they've reduced themselves to just spending half the time repeating what one side said and half the time repeating what the other said. Add onto that they are corperate intrests now that rely on corperations for their revenue, and you get a very corperate friendly marshmellow. And, who is better for the corperations?

So why did the democrats loose? It has a lot to do with why a whole bunch of republicans 'independently' decided it was time to 'help' the democrats with advice while dancing on thier graves.

I hate rural america . . .


That is why Kerry lost. Directly or indirectly that is what he and his supporters told us, that we are hated/stupid/blind/ignorant/hicks/dumb-asses/unworthy etc. You alienated us and made us dislike and distrust you. Bush let us know he was with us and that what we said counted, mattered and would be listened to.

It may not be true that Bush will do these things, and it may not be true that Kerry supporters feel this way, but perception is reality and this is the perception that the hearland had: to Bush we mattered, to Kerry, we didn't.

BTW: If you hate rural america so much, please stop drinking our milk, eating our meat, fruit and vegetables and lay off the bread foods made with our grain and the alcoholic beverages brewed/distilled with our corn and grain. Feel free to gather everything you need to live in Mannhattan, I'm sure rural products are of no use to people there either. OR face it, without rural america, you're fucked. Learn to respect us and consider our views and stop dismissing us and telling us we're ignorant asses. We care about this country a great deal and someone that tells us we're stupid, even if they care about the country too, is not going to gain our support.

OK, rant's over. :rolleyes:

That is why Kerry lost. Directly or indirectly that is what he and his supporters told us, that we are hated/stupid/blind/ignorant/hicks/dumb-asses/unworthy etc. You alienated us and made us dislike and distrust you. Bush let us know he was with us and that what we said counted, mattered and would be listened to.

It may not be true that Bush will do these things, and it may not be true that Kerry supporters feel this way, but perception is reality and this is the perception that the hearland had: to Bush we mattered, to Kerry, we didn't.

BTW: If you hate rural america so much, please stop drinking our milk, eating our meat, fruit and vegetables and lay off the bread foods made with our grain and the alcoholic beverages brewed/distilled with our corn and grain. Feel free to gather everything you need to live in Mannhattan, I'm sure rural products are of no use to people there either. OR face it, without rural america, you're fucked. Learn to respect us and consider our views and stop dismissing us and telling us we're ignorant asses. We care about this country a great deal and someone that tells us we're stupid, even if they care about the country too, is not going to gain our support.

OK, rant's over. :rolleyes:

and please stop using our tax dollars to fund all your highways and schools. I like how rural america is so poor, that some of the states had to sue the government for more money. Yes, ok, let's do it this way. You guys can export your milk and butter to us, and we can export our electronics and entertainment like movies.

Edit: ok, I should apologize. It's not good to argue on stupid stuff. At the moment, there are more depressing matters, such as the national debt. So far, every person in America owes close to $330,000 dollars because of the national debt. It is most likely that our children, and children's children, will be spending their entire life paying off this debt.

That is why Kerry lost. Directly or indirectly that is what he and his supporters told us, that we are hated/stupid/blind/ignorant/hicks/dumb-asses/unworthy etc. You alienated us and made us dislike and distrust you. Bush let us know he was with us and that what we said counted, mattered and would be listened to.

It may not be true that Bush will do these things, and it may not be true that Kerry supporters feel this way, but perception is reality and this is the perception that the hearland had: to Bush we mattered, to Kerry, we didn't.

BTW: If you hate rural america so much, please stop drinking our milk, eating our meat, fruit and vegetables and lay off the bread foods made with our grain and the alcoholic beverages brewed/distilled with our corn and grain. Feel free to gather everything you need to live in Mannhattan, I'm sure rural products are of no use to people there either. OR face it, without rural america, you're fucked. Learn to respect us and consider our views and stop dismissing us and telling us we're ignorant asses. We care about this country a great deal and someone that tells us we're stupid, even if they care about the country too, is not going to gain our support.

OK, rant's over. :rolleyes:



The grain they make my alcohol from is from scotland, thank-you-very-much.

and please stop using our tax dollars to fund all your highways and schools. I like how rural america is so poor, that some of the states had to sue the government for more money. Yes, ok, let's do it this way. You guys can export your milk and butter to us, and we can export our electronics and entertainment like movies.

Edit: ok, I should apologize. It's not good to argue on stupid stuff. At the moment, there are more depressing matters, such as the national debt. So far, every person in America owes close to $330,000 dollars because of the national debt. It is most likely that our children, and children's children, will be spending their entire life paying off this debt.

Thanks for the Edit, I was about to post something like "you make my point." Believe me, in rural America we are concerned about things like the national debt too. Again, however, we were made to feel our concerns and beliefs were without merit and that we were stupid to have those concerns and beliefs. that is why Kerry and the Dems lost. If the Dems want back in, they need to connect with us is some way and convince us they care what we think. I'm not saying they don't care, I AM saying the perception is that they don't. In rural america a person who comes across as a rich socialite (as Kerry did) cannot compete with someone who comes across as "a good ole boy" (as Bush did). Truth is beside the point, it is perception that matters, Perception IS reality.

The grain they make my alcohol from is from scotland, thank-you-very-much.

I prefer Talisker and Glenmorangie, and you? :)

How can the Dem's recover?

Wait four years, mention the "economy" and "national debt," and there you go.

I prefer Talisker and Glenmorangie, and you? :)

Macallan is god's gift to man, Glenmorangie is quite good, also I have a soft spot in my heart for good ole Glenlivet.



Scotch and port, what more could a man want.

Macallan is god's gift to man, Glenmorangie is quite good, also I have a soft spot in my heart for good ole Glenlivet.



Scotch and port, what more could a man want.

A good cuban cigar? Maybe a blonde? ;)

Democrats should have won the last American election. How can they win the next one?

The media never fully explained Bush's poor record.

Kerry never explained his good record in Congress.

Do you guys have any other ideas?

Seems like nobody "got" it. Too parodious? Try again soon.

You would think that the Dems got 2 percent of the vote the way people are carrying on.

"The Dems" lost a campaign that had several mistakes that occured during it's run, and ran it with a candidate who had many glaring vulnerabilities that he made the mistake of focusing on to try and turn into strengths. He failed. And this problem was created as when people needed to toss their hats in the ring for the Dems, GW was at a record approval rating and many better candidates, I think, refrained from entering the fray as it was felt that GW would still be undefeatable in '04.

Then the Iraq mess really started to go south along with the economy, and GW seemed vulnerable. But what they had was Captain Nuance at the helm, and there were many mistakes made over his run (e.g. letting the Swift Boat ads run for nearly a week before responding to them).

After all, the fact that a mojority voted for a man when the majority also did not approve of the job he was doing says a lot of what they felt they were being offered as an alternative.

In '08 there will, hopefully, be two fresh candidates duking it out and a fresh chance to change the direction of the country. Perhaps the Dems will put forth a better platform. Or perhaps the moderates will regain control of the Republican party and they will be the better choice.


We will have to wait and see.

Seems like nobody "got" it. Too parodious? Try again soon.
I see now that you were joking...but hey, I made your point in a sorta-kinda way!

I think the 2008(and 2006) elections are the republicans' to lose. If they want to stay in office, all they have to do is run the country right. If they screw up, they have nobody to blame.

A good cuban cigar? Maybe a blonde? ;)

Yes, definitely a good cuban cigar.

A good non-cuban always suffices though. Ashton VSGs are a favorite of mine, and you can really never go wrong with a Padron Aniversario or a good ole Cohiba.

And it doesnt matter what color her hair is if she can stand cigars :)

And it doesnt matter what color her hair is if she can stand cigars :)
Isn't that what Bill Clinton said?

Isn't that what Bill Clinton said?

ROFLMAO!!!!!! :D

Isn't that what Bill Clinton said?



I have said it once and will say it ten thousand times:

William Jefferson Clinton is a great man.