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I have been watching Fox News today, and they were talking about Canada. They were saying that many canadians want to indict President Bush of War Crimes. What is their problem?? What did we ever do so wrong to the canadians to make them hate us so?

That's the problem. You're watching Fox news. Cut it out.

We dislike President Bush because he won't open the damn border to our beef, among other things.

I have been watching Fox News today, and they were talking about Canada. They were saying that many canadians want to indict President Bush of War Crimes. What is their problem?? What did we ever do so wrong to the canadians to make them hate us so?

Depending on how you view the Geneva Laws they have a legitimate beef.

well, according to some laws, president bush is a war criminal.

he could technically be charged.

it won't happen though, so don't worry about it.

HA! Two straight posts using the word "beef", yet they use it in two completely different ways.

The problem isn't Fox News. The problem is the Canadians who live by the UN. To Canada, any way not authorized by the UN is considered illegal, and those who authorized the war should be charged with War Crimes. But when asked why didn't they raise the issue with Bill Clinton, the guy who wrote a column about how Bush should be charged, was left speechless.

We dislike President Bush because he won't open the damn border to our beef, among other things.

Well you damn mother fuckers gave us Mad Cow disease which ruined our beef industry. So yeah Bush is doing the right thing. Fuck canada.

We should... Parrish was right about that. I hope she heckles him when he does dare to show his ugly-ass face here in good ole Kanata. ;)

I always thought it was us who got the blame for BSE...

We dislike President Bush because he won't open the damn border to our beef, among other things.

Thats because your beef has mad cow disease. The one cow that had Mad Cow Disease in the US last year CAME FROM CANADA. He is only trying to protect the American people. I would have done the same thing.

The problem isn't Fox News. The problem is the Canadians who live by the UN. To Canada, any way not authorized by the UN is considered illegal, and those who authorized the war should be charged with War Crimes.
yeah, i mean why would a country want to follow the regulations set by an international organization they belong to.

it's mind boggling.

and also, there was a new law enacted a while ago in canada that allows for the prosecution of war criminals for crimes that weren't commited on canadian soil if i'm not mistaken. this wouldn't have been an issue when clinton was president.

Well you damn mother fuckers gave us Mad Cow disease which ruined our beef industry. So yeah Bush is doing the right thing. Fuck canada.
And what about the cows that have BSE in the US? And, you know, it was only 1 cow that had it here. They have done numerous test and have sicne shown that it was an isolated incident.

And, that was a flamebait... Bye-bye...

And what about the cows that have BSE in the US? And, you know, it was only 1 cow that had it here. They have done numerous test and have sicne shown that it was an isolated incident.

And, that was a flamebait... Bye-bye...

Well our 1 cow that had it got it from Canada, so you explain it.

yeah, i mean why would a country want to follow the regulations set by an international organization they belong to.

it's mind boggling.

and also, there was a new law enacted a while ago in canada that allows for the prosecution of war criminals for crimes that weren't commited on canadian soil if i'm not mistaken. this wouldn't have been an issue when clinton was president.
How to get Bush to go to Canada to retire. hmm :D

The torture at Abu Garaib was probably a war crime. If it can be shown that the order to torture the prisoners came from the Bush administration then they have a case.

Well our 1 cow that had it got it from Canada, so you explain it.
Actually, since you've closed off the border, you've had a couple of your own BSE incidents. So, you cna't blame Canada if you weren't importing our beef.

The problem isn't Fox News. The problem is the Canadians who live by the UN. To Canada, any way not authorized by the UN is considered illegal, and those who authorized the war should be charged with War Crimes. But when asked why didn't they raise the issue with Bill Clinton, the guy who wrote a column about how Bush should be charged, was left speechless.

That's right the problem isn't the - what? several hundred employees of FoxNews, their managers, and board of directors? The problem is with the 30-odd million Canadians, living in harmony with others, through the good works of the United Nations.

I won't dignify your last utterance with a response...could you form a coherent sentence from your rambling statement instead?

Actually, since you've closed off the border, you've had a couple of your own BSE incidents. So, you cna't blame Canada if you weren't importing our beef.
oh!

you got told! (grays hill)

Proove it. We havent had any cases so far (that I know of), and I watch the news non stop. The only case that was in America, came from Canada.

Well you damn mother fuckers gave us Mad Cow disease which ruined our beef industry. So yeah Bush is doing the right thing. Fuck canada.

Na-na-NA-na, na-na-Na-na, heyyyy-yyyy, gooodbye.

The problem isn't Fox News. The problem is the Canadians who live by the UN. To Canada, any way not authorized by the UN is considered illegal, and those who authorized the war should be charged with War Crimes. But when asked why didn't they raise the issue with Bill Clinton, the guy who wrote a column about how Bush should be charged, was left speechless.


Yep - a Fox viewer....


Here's a thought. We didn't complain about Bill Clinton because the decision to go into a certain former-Yugoslav republic was a NATO effort that we voted for, agreed with, and felt was right. Because there was ongoing genocide that needd to be stopped.

You kinda forgot to mention that Canada went to war with you then without UN mandate didn't you.

Same reason we went into Afghanistan with you - without a UN mandate. Because we felt it was right.

Gee, that kinda puts your rediculous notion that Canada "lives by the UN" in the crapper doesn't it.....although you ARE correct taht we tend to embody it's spirit a whole hell of a lot more than the US.


Maybe you can't wrap your head around the fact that Canada oppsed the war in Iraq because we did not feel it was neccessary in the hurry that GW seemed to feel it was, but then again - you are a Fox watcher. So regurgitating silly (and usually incorrect) generalizations is to be expected.

Proove it. We havent had any cases so far (that I know of), and I watch the news non stop. The only case that was in America, came from Canada.
you watch fox news all the time...

Yep - a Fox viewer....


Here's a thought. We didn't complain about Bill Clinton because the decision to go into a certain former-Yugoslav republic was a NATO effort that we voted for, agreed with, and felt was right. Because there was ongoing genocide that needd to be stopped.

You kinda forgot to mention that Canada went to war with you then without UN mandate didn't you.

Same reason we went into Afghanistan with you - without a UN mandate. Because we felt it was right.

Gee, that kinda puts your rediculous notion that Canada "lives by the UN" in the crapper doesn't it.....although you ARE correct taht we tend to embody it's spirit a whole hell of a lot more than the US.


Maybe you can't wrap your head around the fact that Canada oppsed the war in Iraq because we did not feel it was neccessary in the hurry that GW seemed to feel it was, but then again - you are a Fox watcher. So regurgitating silly (and usually incorrect) generalizations is to be expected.

Clinton bombed Baghdad in 1998. Why wasnt Canada crying then?

Not everything you see on television is true, anyway, in case you hadn't realised.

Actually, since you've closed off the border, you've had a couple of your own BSE incidents. So, you cna't blame Canada if you weren't importing our beef.
Um, sure we've had three incidents, but in both the non-canadian animals there was no BSE. The incidents were false positives on slaughter-house tests. One cow with BSE (from Canada) and two false positives. (and a third tenative positive test being checked at this time, whether or not the animal had/has BSE is still in question.)

Of course, as with so much of the US and Canadian trade, there really is no significant difference between the US and Canada, and in fact the markets consist of cross border regional areas are more significant than the markets between diverse porvences and states within the borders of either nation. It is absurd to talk about a Canadian beef market isolated from the US beef market, there is a North American beef market which is in both Canada and the US (well, actually there are 2 major North American beef markets, the eastern and western, but that just further confuses the issue). Western Canada forms markets with the Western US in many comerical areas more readily than it does with Eastern Canada and vice versa, and also for the US vis a vis Canada, and let's not talk about places like Sault-Saint-Marie.

Not everything you see on television is true, anyway, in case you hadn't realised.
That's why I only watch REALITY television.

Clinton bombed Baghdad in 1998. Why wasnt Canada crying then?Clinton also was part of the illegal invassion of Bosnia, has everyone forgotten that one?

Oh, that's ok then, because that's all real.

That's why I only watch REALITY television.

Lol. Good point :P

Well you damn mother fuckers gave us Mad Cow disease which ruined our beef industry. So yeah Bush is doing the right thing. Fuck canada.

One case, in one cow, traced back to Canada. Looks like the system works in both countries... almost... 'cause it sounds like you might have CJD. ;)

Clinton bombed Baghdad in 1998. Why wasnt Canada crying then?
there were people upset then.

however, this law that allows us to prosecute war criminals for crimes not commited on canadian soil is more recent than that.

Clinton bombed Baghdad in 1998. Why wasnt Canada crying then?



Most Canadians were. Fox news just wasn't around with the same level of viewership then to blow it all out of proportion for you....


And odd as it may seem to you, the level of objection rises as the stakes grow from bombing to actual invasion, and when the president is making asinine comments like "either help us or you are our enemy".


Some of us actually diferentiate between the two.

Proove it. We havent had any cases so far (that I know of), and I watch the news non stop. The only case that was in America, came from Canada.

correct.

We have had one case of mad cow and it was traced back to Canada. That is when we stopped importing Canadian beef and Japan quit importing ours. They have another cow (also originating from Canada) that is being tested now. We should have the results on that this week. I find it strange that Canada claims to have had only one case of mad cow yet it has been verified that the infected cow found here was Canadian (that makes 2 cases) and we possibley have another one (which would make 3). Is it plausible that 67% of Canada's cattle infected with the disease were shipped to the US? Either way, the only way to get this disease under control is to isolate, identify, and destroy it. Sorry Canada about not buying your beef, but we miss the beef sales to Japan that you messed up for us.

I always thought it was us who got the blame for BSE...

Yes, it is you, and the fucktards in your abatoirs and boardrooms, who created mad-cow disease by feeding scrapey-infested sheep spines and brains to your cows. Nice job there. :)

The problem isn't Fox News. The problem is the Canadians who live by the UN. To Canada, any way not authorized by the UN is considered illegal, and those who authorized the war should be charged with War Crimes. But when asked why didn't they raise the issue with Bill Clinton, the guy who wrote a column about how Bush should be charged, was left speechless.
ok guys you signed this treaty that said you cannot:

Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof.

Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
-oops you shot a guy in the face broke that one. theres a vid on the net.

To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture
-didnt you torture those poor people in that nice little hell hole of a prison you have there? oh sorry those people are not forced into those "sex" positions there doing it for fun.

c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment
-read the above script

2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.
-once again read from above (guys your not doing so well i have only skipped a few parts)

Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals.
-sorry this part protects terrorists(sp?)

The present Convention shall apply from the outset of any conflict or occupation mentioned in Article 2.
-yep iraq is protected

ok that is why i think bush should be a war criminal, because unlike most problems crap rolls uphill in war the leader is responible(sp?) for his troops actions even if he had no contact with that person


Well you damn mother fuckers gave us Mad Cow disease which ruined our beef industry. So yeah Bush is doing the right thing. Fuck canada.
that cow when though 3 other farms in your country after it left canada, the case was tossed from international law because the claim had no ground. get over it

this is where i got my info http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm

Let's not forget that the one cow that tested positive in Canada had originally some from a Texan ranch, something that got lost in the partisan shuffle on FoxNews, no doubt.

I knew people in the meat industry who told me confidentially that at the time of the one cow incident, there were ripples in the meat industry down south due to a whole series of UNREPORTED cases of mad cow disease in Texan herds. No, I don't have ready-made link for you on that, sorry.

correct.

We have had one case of mad cow and it was traced back to Canada. That is when we stopped importing Canadian beef and Japan quit importing ours. They have another cow (also originating from Canada) that is being tested now. We should have the results on that this week. I find it strange that Canada claims to have had only one case of mad cow yet it has been verified that the infected cow found here was Canadian (that makes 2 cases) and we possibley have another one (which would make 3). Is it plausible that 67% of Canada's cattle infected with the disease were shipped to the US? Either way, the only way to get this disease under control is to isolate, identify, and destroy it. Sorry Canada about not buying your beef, but we miss the beef sales to Japan that you messed up for us.


Umm, The FDA has refused to give out any info on this cow pending completed testing. (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=6896992&src=rss/domesticNews)

In the current instance, the USDA has refused to identify the suspect animal's age, sex or location.


Yes, the first cow came from Canada, although as someone else mentioned it was undeterminable on which side of the border it contracted the disease. But the same has not yet been publicized about this cow.

It's all so fucking stupid.

Sheep have always had scrapey, and we eat sheep with no problems... how? WE DON'T EAT THEIR BRAINS.

you know, maybe if people stopped feeding herbivores meat products, mad cow wouldn't be an issue. just leave them to their damn grass for fuck's sake.

Yep - a Fox viewer....

but then again - you are a Fox watcher. So regurgitating silly (and usually incorrect) generalizations is to be expected.

I watch FOX and CNN and BBC and ABC and NBC. I don't find that Fox's news coverage varies from the other news organizations. Perhaps if you start getting FOX in Canada as well as Al-Jazeera you will be able to make an informed comment on FOX's programming.

It's all so fucking stupid.

Sheep have always had scrapey, and we eat sheep with no problems... how? WE DON'T EAT THEIR BRAINS.
In modern meat packing plants spinal cord tissue sometimes gets mixed in with meat used for food. Some of bits of meat used in making hotdogs and some meat products for school lunches are scraped off of the spine. This process has been shown to sometimes include some cord tissue. Granted sheep aren't used in hotdogs, but beef is.

hotdogs...yum.

In modern meat packing plants spinal cord tissue sometimes gets mixed in with meat used for food. Some of bits of meat used in making hotdogs and some meat products for school lunches are scraped off of the spine. This process has been shown to sometimes include some cord tissue. Granted sheep aren't used in hotdogs, but beef is.
ugh. i'm glad i'm vegetarian.

I watch FOX and CNN and BBC and ABC and NBC. I don't find that Fox's news coverage varies from the other news organizations. Perhaps if you start getting FOX in Canada as well as Al-Jazeera you will be able to make an informed comment on FOX's programming.
we get al-jazeera?

wow... see these are things you don't notice when you don't have cable.

I watch FOX and CNN and BBC and ABC and NBC. I don't find that Fox's news coverage varies from the other news organizations. Perhaps if you start getting FOX in Canada as well as Al-Jazeera you will be able to make an informed comment on FOX's programming.


It is generaly not the news portions where people pick up the silly rhetoric, it is from the opinion shows. The Bill Oreilly's, Joe Scarboroughs, Al Franken's of the world.

Unfortunately, a lot of viewers take what these partisan blowhards say as being "news", and Fox's blowhards are almost universally right-leaning bombasts who take great liberties with facts.


Take for example the premise of this thread, that "most" canadians want to see GW indicted.

Just curious.... who did that poll?

YEs there was an editorial journalist who posed it as a possibility in a recent article. TRanslating that to a majority opinion, and then using it to complain about a whole country, however, is an improper leap.


Oh yeah - and I have watched plenty of Fox news already thank you very much. I used to work in the US.

we get al-jazeera?

wow... see these are things you don't notice when you don't have cable.

No, we don't. Not yet. We'll probably have the (un)official mouth organ of the GOP looooong before we get Al-Jazeera. It goes back to the CRTC and Canadian content rulings, though I don't imagine FoxNews will be required to feature anything specifically geared for the Canadian market in any event...

Well you damn mother fuckers gave us Mad Cow disease which ruined our beef industry. So yeah Bush is doing the right thing. Fuck canada.

Consider yourself warned for flamebaiting. You do it again, and I remove you from this forum.


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No, we don't. Not yet. We'll probably have the (un)official mouth organ of the GOP looooong before we get Al-Jazeera. It goes back to the CRTC and Canadian content rulings, though I don't imagine FoxNews will be required to feature anything specifically geared for the Canadian market in any event...
oh i see. so the poster was either being an idiot or bashing our current media outlets.

In modern meat packing plants spinal cord tissue sometimes gets mixed in with meat used for food. Some of bits of meat used in making hotdogs and some meat products for school lunches are scraped off of the spine. This process has been shown to sometimes include some cord tissue. Granted sheep aren't used in hotdogs, but beef is.

Exactly my point. Use every part of the animal, pinch pennies by cutting as close to the spine as possible, and you get BSE. Profit = Death, once again.

Hey, you think that sheep butchers back in the day knew about this? Maybe that's why they called it "scrapey".

oh i see. so the poster was either being an idiot or bashing our current media outlets.

I don't quite follow you. What poster are you referring to?

Clinton also was part of the illegal invassion of Bosnia, has everyone forgotten that one?

Well if it makes anyone feel any better I would not piss on Clinton if he was on fire.Ditto Bush.I know lots of people who feel the same.People have become more aware since Bush came into power.No president of the U.S(or of anywhere else,even smelly France) will ever get an easy ride by the international community/media again and it should also be noted that in most countries as far as I can garner current administrations get a fair old bollocking no matter what they stand for.Politicians are worth jack shit.It is up to the people to constantly remind them so.
Long live free speech.

Consider yourself warned for flamebaiting. You do it again, and I remove you from this forum.


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Doesn't count. Canadians never flame. :D

Please dont call a thread "Our neighbourghs to the north" and talk about Canada. You are thereby implying everyone in NS comes from the US. They dont.

Well if it makes anyone feel any better I would not piss on Clinton if he was on fire.Ditto Bush.I know lots of people who feel the same.People have become more aware since Bush came into power.No president of the U.S(or of anywhere else,even smelly France) will ever get an easy ride by the international community/media again and it should also be noted that in most countries as far as I can garner current administrations get a fair old bollocking no matter what they stand for.Politicians are worth jack shit.It is up to the people to constantly remind them so.
Long live free speech.

I would piss on Bush whether he was on fire or not. :D

No, we don't. Not yet. We'll probably have the (un)official mouth organ of the GOP looooong before we get Al-Jazeera. It goes back to the CRTC and Canadian content rulings, though I don't imagine FoxNews will be required to feature anything specifically geared for the Canadian market in any event...Probably true. No cable company was running Al Jazeera last week when FoxNews got approval to be distributed. Canadian cable compaies could have been showing Al Jazeera months ago, but chose not to while they have only recently been goven the green light to show FoxNews last week (for next year) and will probably chose to do so.

Please dont call a thread "Our neighbourghs to the north" and talk about Canada. You are thereby implying everyone in NS comes from the US. They dont.

Canadians, Scottish, Dutch, Siberians, Okinowans... they're all the same in my book! :D

We dislike President Bush because he won't open the damn border to our beef, among other things.

That's a legitimate complaint...but you want to put Bush on a trial for it?

So much to cover in one thread...

Fox News was accepted for broadcasting in Canada if it followed the same rule as everyone else (Canadian content). THEY said screw that and THEY are responsible if they are not braodcasting in Canada right now. I find it ironic that after their decision, O' Reilly went on a rant about Canada not wanting to let them in. Talk about distordint the truth.

Al-Jazeera will be accepted in Canada under strict rules that will stop them from showing beheding and other things like that. Al-Jazeera have accepted to follow the Canadian contents rules. They're in. In satellite only for now.

The mad cow from Canada contracted the disease from feed (Canadian in origin)that was older than the ban that is in place now to stop the Mad Cow Disease. The feed was given to the cow in the US.

The FDA said that the Mad Cow was an isolated case. The FDA said the Canadian farmer could not be blamed. The FDA said that Canadian Beef was good for consuption. The FDA recommended re-opening the border. Why, if the governmental organisation regulating that particular industry says one thing is it not followed?

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So much to cover in one thread...

Fox News was accepted for broadcasting in Canada if it followed the same rule as everyone else (Canadian content). THEY said screw that and THEY are responsible if they are not braodcasting in Canada right now. I find it ironic that after their decision, O' Reilly went on a rant about Canada not wanting to let them in. Talk about distordint the truth.

Al-Jazeera will be accepted in Canada under strict rules that will stop them from showing beheding and other things like that. Al-Jazeera have accepted to follow the Canadian contents rules. They're in. In satellite only for now.

The mad cow from Canada contracted the disease from feed (Canadian in origin)that was older than the ban that is in place now to stop the Mad Cow Disease. The feed was given to the cow in the US.

The FDA said that the Mad Cow was an isolated case. The FDA said the Canadian farmer could not be blamed. The FDA said that Canadian Beef was good for consuption. The FDA recommended re-opening the border. Why, if the governmental organisation regulating that particular industry says one thing is it not followed?

Druthulhu, send me a private message and I,ll flame you as long and as hard as you like ;)FoxNews got approval last week for not having to abide by CanCon rules. Al Jaz was exempted from CanCon, they didn't agree to abide by them. A channel can be exempted from CanCon if it is substatially different from a channel being shown in Canada, apparently the content of FoxNews doesn't bear much resembelance to that shown by CBC. As of last week, no cable companies in Canda were carrying Al Jaz (I don't know about sattellite), presumably because of the necessity to censor it (they are required not just to censor beheadings, but anything which is defaming of any group).

FoxNews got approval last week for not having to abide by CanCon rules. Al Jaz was exempted from CanCon, they didn't agree to abide by them. A channel can be exempted from CanCon if it is substatially different from a channel being shown in Canada, apparently the content of FoxNews doesn't bear much resembelance to that shown by CBC. As of last week, no cable companies in Canda were carrying Al Jaz (I don't know about sattellite), presumably because of the necessity to censor it (they are required not just to censor beheadings, but anything which is defaming of any group).
Thanks. I wasn't aware of the latest Fox News development. But I think it's wrong to let Fox News off the hook. They should be subject to the CanCon rules.

As for me, I wouldn't listen to them if they paid me to.

Thanks. I wasn't aware of the latest Fox News development. But I think it's wrong to let Fox News off the hook. They should be subject to the CanCon rules.

As for me, I wouldn't listen to them if they paid me to.

No argument re: CanCon.

I project they'll crash & burn except out west, where they'll probably be lionized by Ralph Klein supporters...

Thanks. I wasn't aware of the latest Fox News development. But I think it's wrong to let Fox News off the hook. They should be subject to the CanCon rules.

As for me, I wouldn't listen to them if they paid me to.
yeah, that's really not fair that they don't have to play by the same rules as everyone else.

but i guess that's how the u.s. likes to do things, i mean look at the "fair trade" shit where they charge extra for our lumber, yet we're expected not to jack up the price on anything they send accross the border.

yeah, that's really not fair that they don't have to play by the same rules as everyone else.

but i guess that's how the u.s. likes to do things, i mean look at the "fair trade" shit where they charge extra for our lumber, yet we're expected not to jack up the price on anything they send accross the border.

re: fair/free trade

You don't honestly expect them to live up to their word, do you? They don't have to. They're the US. They think they're above things like treaties (unless they work in their favour, 24/7).

Expect to see movement on the beef and lumber issues when Shrub graces us all with his graceless presence. Most likely tied into a demand that we be good little doggies, and allow the stupid useless misile defense thingamabobber onto our soil.

Election, anyone?