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To be purposely and carelessly violating the Bill of Rights left and right, he had to be a communist.

I don't know Comrade. We communists shared and that Joe was a real bastard when it came to sharing.

Your definition of communism is a little screwed up. But at least you recognize the horrors of McCarthyism.

No he was just a selfish fool. Communism doesn't relate to violating the Bill of Rights.

He was an authoritarian asshole. One needn't resort to communism to be an asshole.

To be purposely and carelessly violating the Bill of Rights left and right, he had to be a communist.

Well, he was more decidely fascistic than anything else, but as political terminology is indescribably warped in the States, you may indeed be right...and due to the aforementioned garbling, you may indeed be far right...LOL

Who is Joe McCarthy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

Joe McCarthy for all of his grandstanding and over-zealousness was a patriot. He believed in "extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." A later Goldwater quote.

And the fact is in the late 40's and 1950's the Russians under Stalin had infiltrated Hollywood and the U.S. Gov't with agents whose goal was bringing down the US.

The steel resolve of the Reagan Republicans was forged during this era. The fact that the Russians were a real enemy trying to do harm was not lost on them and was articulated best by McCarthy.

In a way Joe McCarthy's actions in the 50's led to the fall of the USSR in the 90's.

Joe McCarthy for all of his grandstanding and over-zealousness was a patriot. He believed in "extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." A later Goldwater quote.

And the fact is in the late 40's and 1950's the Russians under Stalin had infiltrated Hollywood and the U.S. Gov't with agents whose goal was bringing down the US.

The steel resolve of the Reagan Republicans was forged during this era. The fact that the Russians were a real enemy trying to do harm was not lost on them and was articulated best by McCarthy.

In a way Joe McCarthy's actions in the 50's led to the fall of the USSR in the 90's.

Hey it's Ann Coulter!

He was no patriot. He had no stance on communism untill it came time to be re-elected. He saw the response and used it.

The "patriot" even tried to attack Ike at one point which started his downfall.

He extended the life of communism because it made future Presidents support anybody that said they were against communism. Hmmm Pinochet.....

He is a black mark on our history and damaged US credibility by our support of butchers.

Hey it's Ann Coulter!

He was no patriot. He had no stance on communism untill it came time to be re-elected. He saw the response and used it.

The "patriot" even tried to attack Ike at one point which started his downfall.

He extended the life of communism because it made future Presidents support anybody that said they were against communism. Hmmm Pinochet.....

He is a black mark on our history and damaged US credibility by our support of butchers.
Hey, It's Michael Moore!

He was a ptriot, who believed in protecting his nation. He was overzelous about it, and went to far.

He will be remembered fondly by history as perhaps a little wacky, but did more good than bad.

Hey, It's Michael Moore!

He was a ptriot, who believed in protecting his nation. He was overzelous about it, and went to far.

He will be remembered fondly by history as perhaps a little wacky, but did more good than bad.

He cared nothing about protecting this nation. Only about the accumlation of power!

Did you ever read his fight with the Army?

He was a bad man and should be noted as such.

He will be remembered fondly by history as perhaps a little wacky, but did more good than bad.

I agreed with you up to here.

McCarthy "a little wacky"? And the Salem witch trials were "a little comical".

Joe McCarthy (...) believed in "extremism in defense of liberty is no vice."

He promoted liberty by restraining freedom of expression? how does he define liberty? fascism?

I thought I wrote to this before so here is a link

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7206145&postcount=39

Joe was no great American. But people will belive anything.

If you want to belive he was the great defender. Good for you.

He extended the life of communism because it made future Presidents support anybody that said they were against communism. Hmmm Pinochet.....


The ones who really extended Communism were the 1970's appeasers... Nixon, Kissinger, Carter who thought that detente could work. Giving into the Russians with Salt Treaties and free wheat allowed their corrupt economy to limp along for several more years.

This allowed the Cuban Army to threaten Latin and South America.

Reagan finally forced the USSR to compete on an economic basis and this ultimately lead to their downfall.

I thought I wrote to this before so here is a link

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7206145&postcount=39

Joe was no great American. But people will belive anything.

If you want to belive he was the great defender. Good for you.

it deserves to be writed here, great post : )
Senetor Joe is a great american hero now is he?

The question of whom did he hurt is crap. It is what he did.

McCarthyism is the use of intimidation and unfounded accusations in the name of fighting communism. Let's not forget the fact that the communist party was not illegal in the US.

McCarthyism was the presumption of guilt instead of innocence, and the idea of guilt by association.

Truman's Federal Employee Loyalty Program prevented openly criticizing American foreign policy, advocating equal rights for women, owning books on socialism, and attending foreign films; these clearly contradict the principles on which America was formed.

For a name how about Alger Hiss? Graduate of Harvard Law and who had served as the `New' Dealer under Roosevelt(I know he is your favorite ) and had even gone to Yalta as a member of Roosevelt's staff.

To the average American, the `New' Deal seemed similar to Communism in several ways: they were to uplift the masses, they were against lassez-faire and for economic controls, and they both questioned the traditional ways. These, along with the fact that the US helped Russia in the WWII under FDR helped link Communism and `New' Dealism in the common man. Once linked, it was easy to come to the conclusion that FDR and the `New' Deal must have conspired to convert America to Communism! Hiss symbolized, to the American public, the `New' Deal and all that went with it.

Nixon, HUAC, and the American people were desperately looking for someone to blame for this conspiracy, and Hiss was that person. Dubious proof was found, in a pumpkin patch, and he was finally found guilty of perjury.

McCarthy was not dedicated to finding Communists in America. He was abmvialent to it them before he had to run for re-election.

McCarthy was really looking for `New' Dealers, not only because the public already had negative feelings about them, but because it would keep his party in power in government and recapture lost congressional power.

McCarthy even tried to declare the Army was filled with communists. He tried to arrange preferential treatment for one of his friends but the Army kep a record of the calss he made and then later released them. He got pissed and the Army-McCarthy hearings started. People finally woke up to this "great" american as they watched his brutishness and rashness.

Joeseph Welch showed that McCArthy had a photo altered to make it look like the Secretary of the Army meeting with the haed of the Communist party(Guilt by association).

McCarthy produced a forged hoax of a letter from J. Edgar Hooever that confirmed there were communists in high places of the army.

Finally the dope tried to attack Eisenhower "Twenty, I mean twenty one years of treason"

It all ended with those immortal words

"Until this moment Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

McCarthyism did nothing for america in fact it hurt it. The morale in the State Department and Army suffered. This lead young educated people, the best and the brightest, not to go into government, which was left with second rate leaders who were more loyal than they were intelligent. An example is that the China Hands , who were experts on Eastern politics, were dismissed and replaced with people who told their superiors only what they wanted to hear. This lead to the mistakes made during the Chinese revolution. Other problems appeared in Korea and Viet Nam.

A lasting effect of McCarthyism was that the presidents, including Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Reagan, did not want to seem "soft on communism," so they took the drastic step of supporting any group in power in any country that was against communism.

I thought I wrote to this before so here is a link

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7206145&postcount=39

Joe was no great American. But people will belive anything.

If you want to belive he was the great defender. Good for you.
Hey, and if you want to belive the propaganda against him, go ahead. He was no saint, but he rooted out the anit-american virus flooding hollywood.

he rooted out freedom of expression. In the US, you could openly wish all black or all jews shall be burned, but believing in a system lead by the low classes was prison. Guilty or not.

Hey, and if you want to belive the propaganda against him, go ahead. He was no saint, but he rooted out the anit-american virus flooding hollywood.

EEWWWWWWWEEEEEEE

After hearing all the Hollywierd Liberal comments; what did that accomplish?

It really does not say much for the average mid-western and Southern American if they are going to follow communism because Hollywood did.

Hate to tell you; he failed there as well. Most of the blacklist were screen writers and most if not all worked under pseudonames.

The famous Hollywood ten worked on:

Hotel Berlin (1945)
The Master Race (1941)
Crossfire (1947)
Sahara (1943)
Pride of the Marines (1945)
Destination Tokyo (1944)
Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo (1944).

Hardly films that spoke about the downfall of the US.

Can you even name subversive actions that were designed to bring the downfall of the US?

Oh and a minor point you failed to notice.

Communism was not illegal in the United States.

Oh and a minor point you failed to notice.

Communism was not illegal in the United States.
A major point you failed to notice. Anti-american illegal activities like espionage are illegal in the United States.

A major point you failed to notice. Anti-american illegal activities like espionage are illegal in the United States.

And yet what espionage did the hollywood ten do?

Joe McCarthy had laser eyes, and his blackballing powers extend beyond the grave. You're blackballed just for reading this.

So is Bush.... oh whoops I can't say that.

They throw around words like "freedom" but have no idea of what they actually mean.