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Sorry...I wanted to see how many people would be led in by an oxymoron ;)

Don't the Anarchists have an organized political party in reality?

btw: Anarchy (capital A) isnt a rejection of organization, it is a rejection of government and administrative control systems.

Don't the Anarchists have an organized political party in reality?

I have heard of a few.... Kind of funy, really :D

Don't the Anarchists have an organized political party in reality?
Yeah I am pretty sure the anarchists ran a good chunk of spain in the 1930s, although I think they may have been organized around labor unions rather than political parties but I could be wrong about that.

btw: Anarchy (capital A) isnt a rejection of organization, it is a rejection of government and administrative control systems.

Oxymoron; organization and goverment are mutually inclusive; you can't have one without the other... If you are against government, you are against organization.

Oxymoron; organization and goverment are mutually inclusive; you can't have one without the other... If you are against government, you are against organization.

No, because it (left-anarchy) means the lack of government, not community. Organisation from the bottom-up, so to speak.

Yeah, i guess i was led in...but if you think about it, the title is the only thing that you read before entering a tread. So yeah the title led me in like any other one i've found interesting. But to tell you the truth i'm not so much into anarchy so much as revolution. Anyone else think like that?

"Let me say, with the risk of appearing ridiculous, that the true revolutionary is guided by strong feelings of love."

- Ernesto “Che” Guevera

"Hasta la victoria siempre"

I think its funny how so few people understand the irony of having an anarchy symbol.
http://www.raisethefist.com/anarchy.jpg

Old, old joke.

I think its funny how so few people understand the irony of having an anarchy symbol.
http://www.raisethefist.com/anarchy.jpg

Pfft. Only whiney little punks use that because they think it looks cool.

But as the symbol says, "Anarchy is Order".

Get the dictionary definition of anarchy as chaos out of your mind and do some reading.

the title is the only thing that you read before entering a tread.

That's not true. When I have my pointer over the hypertext, a box appears showing the first several lines of entry. So I already knew that it was an Easter egg before entering. But yeah, I liked the oxymoron and voted that I was drawn in.

I think its funny how so few people understand the irony of having an anarchy symbol.
http://www.raisethefist.com/anarchy.jpg

I think everybody here is mistaking anarchy for nhilism. Anarchy is basically socialism without the repressive state or in theory anyway. There aren't exactly a whole lot of real world examples to point to, perhaps the paris commune or like I said earlier Spain in the 1930s. By the way if Orwell has an awesome book about the Spanish Civil war called Homage to Catalonia which talks about the anarchists a bit.

Sorry...I wanted to see how many people would be led in by an oxymoron ;)

I have to admit, I popped in to see if this was a case of someone not realizing their own oxymoronic oversight...!

Get the dictionary definition of anarchy as chaos out of your mind and do some reading.

Yeah, don't believe the definition in the dictionary. What is that but how a majority of people define a word? [/sarcasm]

If anything, the political party should change its name so that it is correct.

Yeah, don't believe the definition in the dictionary. What is that but how a majority of people define a word? [/sarcasm]

Well, Anarchy also means the inability of states to cooperate on a global scale in neo-realist and realist political science. Did you know that? I bet not, but it's an acceptable definition that is distinct from "chaos" nonetheless.

If anything, the political party should change its name so that it is correct.

You will find that most call themselves "Syndicalists" or whatever type of "Anarchism" they believe in, not "Anarchists"

Well, Anarchy also means the inability of states to cooperate on a global scale in neo-realist and realist political science. Did you know that? I bet not, but it's an acceptable definition that is distinct from "chaos" nonetheless.


Yes, I have heard that as describing the principles of the "anarchists." I have not, however, heard the term "anarchy" described that way.

there are 2 types of anarchy

small a - anarchy is a chaotic state, without any discernable order

capital A - Anarchy is a political movement that has been around for centuries that involves the redistribution of power throughout society as to eliminate a ruling class.

a very interesting theory.

Perhaps you've never been to.

This site (http://flag.blackened.net)

If you have i congratulate you, if not, check it out, its all about anarchy, i cant remmeber the link to their forums, but it also descripes several forms of anarchy, such as Anarcho-Communism, and Anarcho-Capitalism etc...

PS. If anyone has the link to their forums it would be greatly appreciated if you could get it to me, thanks.

there are 2 types of anarchy

small a - anarchy is a chaotic state, without any discernable order

capital A - Anarchy is a political movement that has been around for centuries that involves the redistribution of power throughout society as to eliminate a ruling class.

a very interesting theory.

Us anarchists have a tendency of using the term 'anarchism' to describe the political movement, as this make a clear distinction between the two.

Yes, I have heard that as describing the principles of the "anarchists." I have not, however, heard the term "anarchy" described that way.

Exactly, because unless you're a student of Poli-Sci, you wouldn't hear it.

And unless you're interested in Anarchism, you wouldn't understand the difference between the dictionary meaning. So do some reading up.

Us anarchists have a tendency of using the term 'anarchism' to describe the political movement, as this make a clear distinction between the two.

US anarchists? hmph, so exclusionary, lol

ya, there is a suprising ammount of misconception about what anarchy really is. Its sad really, the world has much to learn from them

And unless you're interested in Anarchism, you wouldn't understand the difference between the dictionary meaning. So do some reading up.

However, there also exist those international acts of non-heirarchical organisation between nations which show the side of functional anarchism - such as international postal services. No central authority exists to govern them, but still they seem to function quite passably well.

Exactly, because unless you're a student of Poli-Sci, you wouldn't hear it.

And unless you're interested in Anarchism, you wouldn't understand the difference between the dictionary meaning. So do some reading up.

The term anarchy was coined by this guy:

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (1803-1865)

Proudhon was the first the attempt to use Hegelian ideas to make a radical critique of political economy. This work is first set out in What is Property? (1840) but his most famous work is The Philosophy of Poverty (1847), the subject of Marx's famous Poverty of Philosophy. Proudhon's ideas were probably the most influential current among the participants in the Paris Commune of 1871. Proudhon's ideas are at the root of that type of anarchism which envisages a world of small-scale producers living in self-sufficient, sustainable communities using local systems of exchange. It is often called “petit-bourgeois anarchism” because its ideal is the self-sufficient independent proprietor, and appeals to the self-employed tadesperson or small business person in capitalist society whose hatred is directed against big capital.

Read his collected works at this website
http://www.marxists.org/subject/anarchism/

Exactly, because unless you're a student of Poli-Sci, you wouldn't hear it.

And unless you're interested in Anarchism, you wouldn't understand the difference between the dictionary meaning. So do some reading up.

Actually, I am a history major with a minor in political science. I understand what the political movement is. I just contend that "anarchy" means chaos and is different from the anarchist party. All I want is to still call them anarchist but not use the word anarchy to describe it.

We had a debate in one of our political science classes over whether it should be called anarchy or not.

The term anarchy was coined by this guy:

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (1803-1865)


I'm quite familiar with Proudhon :)

Actually, I am a history major with a minor in political science. I understand what the political movement is. I just contend that "anarchy" means chaos and is different from the anarchist party. All I want is to still call them anarchist but not use the word anarchy to describe it.

We had a debate in one of our political science classes over whether it should be called anarchy or not.

Yes, the word is misleading, especially considering that there is a bottom-up organisation in most forms of anarchist thought. However, there are other words to describe subsections of Anarchism..

Us anarchists have a tendency of using the term 'anarchism' to describe the political movement, as this make a clear distinction between the two.

though we have been known to shout "hurrah for anarchy!" before the noose breaks our fall.

Am i the only one that thinks its kinda weird that AFTER u go in2 this forum there's a question that asks "were u led in" i mean... duh... ur here arent u... just a comment 2 those who said no, which at the moment is over 1/2

My first spin-off thread. *sob* I'm so proud. *sob*

though we have been known to shout "hurrah for anarchy!"

I really hate it when we do that. It makes us look like real clueless morons.

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