Quote of the Day
Many political reputations and world governments secrets were staked on the belief that I could not be deprogrammed and rehabilitated to recall that which I was supposed to forget."
Andaluciae
23-11-2004, 04:55
where might that have originated from?
where might that have originated from?
I think some guy named Emmanuel Goldstein said it
Nationalist Valhalla
23-11-2004, 07:56
tra you're back, that mad cow feller didn't kill ya after all!!!!!!!!
LOL no but sometimes I wish he would
Dobbs Town
23-11-2004, 08:00
I think some guy named Emmanuel Goldstein said it
What, from Orwell's '1984'? That Emmanuel Goldstein?
What, from Orwell's '1984'? That Emmanuel Goldstein?
I guess Im not sure.
Dobbs Town
23-11-2004, 08:08
Well, here IS a quote from the 'writing' of the character, Emmanuel Goldstein, from Orwell's 1984 talking about the mutability of the past and Party politics:
"Past events, it is argued, have no objective existence, but survive only in written records and in human memories. The past is whatever the records and the memories agree upon. And since the Party is in full control of all records and in equally full control of the minds of its members, it follows that the past is whatever the Party chooses to make it. It also follows that though the past is alterable, it has never been altered in any specific instance. For when it has been recreated in whatever shape is needed at the moment, then this new version is the past, and no different past has ever existed."
Just thought it was interesting, seemed oddly apropos.
Dobbs Town
23-11-2004, 08:10
One more:
"The essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies, all this is indispensibly necessary."
Interesting...
those are things the american media does today especially when they mythogize facist pigs like Rudy G. and report Bushs lies uncritically
Dobbs Town
23-11-2004, 08:23
Yeah that was my take on it, too. Thought it seemed a little eerie coming from all the way back in the forties is all.
I heard excerpts from an Encyclopedia Brittanica film that had been media-collaged on the Hour of Slack a number of months back. The film was called, 'Despotism', and it was designed, primarily for high school students, to identify warning signs of nascent despostism within their own culture. The examples provided would all point toward the Bush administration being categorized as Despotic by the standards of this educational film.
Interesting stuff...sorry, I have no link other than:
www.subgenius.com
its all very deliberate. the challenge is to get other people to see it before one day they wake up and they dont even know what country theyre living in anymore--sometimes the "conspiracy" is True
Dobbs Town
23-11-2004, 08:34
its all very deliberate. the challenge is to get other people to see it before one day they wake up and they dont even know what country theyre living in anymore--sometimes the "conspiracy" is True
If you apply the subgenius slant to the current ongoing situation, it looks awfully damn dauntingly frightening, MK. The pinkboys and their glorps are poised to stampede us into oblivion or much, much worse than THAT, due to nothing more than their own sheer blind pig-ignorance and total failure to pick up on what's going down all around them.
Hats off to you, MK. The conspiracy IS real.