NationStates Jolt Archive

I hate all those terms!

Catchy sound bytes that only make the problem worse.

They are misleading titles and terms that are thrown out to dehumanize, demonize and trivialize the beliefs and plight of anyone who is driven to desperate acts by circumstance or actions of others.

When is the world gonna realize that until we try to understand and address the underlying issues that drive these actions they will never end?

And where do you propose to start to "address the underlying issues that drive these actions"?

the place to start is palestine. if we make a real effort to get a resolution to the conflict between israel and the palestinians it will be a big start to showing the moslem world that we arent as bad as they think we are.

And where do you propose to start to "address the underlying issues that drive these actions"?
Instead of being the economic and malitaristic superpower of the world we lead the fight for human evolution into peace, compassion, justice for all. Instead of oppressing the working class and the third world we start to give them support. Instead of fighting wars and starting occupations on every continent except Antartica you leave people alone. Terrorists will not hate us if we do those things.

I hate all those terms!

Catchy sound bytes that only make the problem worse.

They are misleading titles and terms that are thrown out to dehumanize, demonize and trivialize the beliefs and plight of anyone who is driven to desperate acts by circumstance or actions of others.

When is the world gonna realize that until we try to understand and address the underlying issues that drive these actions they will never end?
Right, and murder, abuser and rapist are also extreem terms for people driven to desperate measures. I'm not sorry for them either, no matter their excuse. I guess I just have higher standards than you.

Right, and murder, abuser and rapist are also extreem terms for people driven to desperate measures. I'm not sorry for them either, no matter their excuse. I guess I just have higher standards than you.
No one has suicide bomber as a first choice for a career. The people who do that kind of thing are driven by desperation, they think its the only option left.

Right, and murder, abuser and rapist are also extreem terms for people driven to desperate measures. I'm not sorry for them either, no matter their excuse. I guess I just have higher standards than you.Murder, Abuse and Rape are not desperate measures, but thanks for playing.

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I'm trying to see your point of view but I just can't get my head that far up my a**.

No one has suicide bomber as a first choice for a career. The people who do that kind of thing are driven by desperation, they think its the only option left.


Riiight, Just like OJ and Scotty P.

Murder, Abuse and Rape are not desperate measures, but thanks for playing.

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I'm trying to see your point of view but I just can't get my head that far up my a**.


You're catching on, you've almost realized your hypocricy.

Riiight, Just like OJ and Scotty P.
First off OJ was never convicted of anything ( :rolleyes: Kidding don't worry)

Those weren't crimes of desperation, hatred of jealousy or anger, but not desperation. They didn't blow themselves up in an attempt to kill an enemy they are at war with.

You're catching on, you've almost realized your hypocricy.Unfortunately you're nowhere near realizing your ignorance.

If thousands of acts are commited as protest or reprisal or to bring attention to some issue an intelligent lifeform might actually try to address that issue as a means of ending those acts.

I hate all those terms!

Catchy sound bytes that only make the problem worse.

They are misleading titles and terms that are thrown out to dehumanize, demonize and trivialize the beliefs and plight of anyone who is driven to desperate acts by circumstance or actions of others.

When is the world gonna realize that until we try to understand and address the underlying issues that drive these actions they will never end?

I agree entirely. We can't explain the actions of terrorists entirely on the basis of religion or the media (in the case of Palestine).

If thousands of acts are commited as protest or reprisal or to bring attention to some issue an intelligent lifeform might actually try to address that issue as a means of ending those acts.
Yes, but that would require ending our Mafia-style "protection" of Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations, as well as forsaking our inexplicable ally Israel. Since these would be the rational things to do, you can be sure no administration will do them. Hence, more TERROR! to go around. So your best bet is to just ignore the TERROR!-ists. TERROR!-ism doesn't work if you aren't TERROR!-ized.

Yes, but that would require ending our Mafia-style "protection" of Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations, as well as forsaking our inexplicable ally Israel. Since these would be the rational things to do, you can be sure no administration will do them. Hence, more TERROR! to go around. So your best bet is to just ignore the TERROR!-ists. TERROR!-ism doesn't work if you aren't TERROR!-ized.Yeah that'll work. Stick your head in the sand and ignore it. It'll go away.

Duh, it's been tried that way. Instead of being convinced it's useless, the desperate search for bigger and more personal ways of making their point.

Yeah that'll work. Stick your head in the sand and ignore it. It'll go away.

Duh, it's been tried that way. Instead of being convinced it's useless, the desperate search for bigger and more personal ways of making their point.
espescially by many a European nation. They've tried to stick their heads in the sand and ignore.

Yes, but that would require ending our Mafia-style "protection" of Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations, as well as forsaking our inexplicable ally Israel. Since these would be the rational things to do, you can be sure no administration will do them. Hence, more TERROR! to go around. So your best bet is to just ignore the TERROR!-ists. TERROR!-ism doesn't work if you aren't TERROR!-ized.
there's a good reason that we're being friendly with Israel. Nukes. They've got a big arsenal, and they are psycho with it. The US has gotten the Israelis to recall their planes 3 times. If we weren't their ardent supporters, can you guess what would have happened?

Yeah.

Not a good situation.

there's a good reason that we're being friendly with Israel. Nukes. They've got a big arsenal, and they are psycho with it. The US has gotten the Israelis to recall their planes 3 times. If we weren't their ardent supporters, can you guess what would have happened?

Yeah.

Not a good situation.

Where were the planes heading, when?

Duh, it's been tried that way. Instead of being convinced it's useless, the desperate search for bigger and more personal ways of making their point.
Funny, I thought the capitalization and exclamation marks were enough to indicate my levity. Of course they can't be treated like schoolyard bullies. TERROR! has way more resources than Big Louie.

As for Israel, why don't we bomb the ever-loving f*** out of them without a whit of warning? Their nukes would no longer be a problem, the Arabs would love us, and we'd no longer have to go to bat for an otherwise pissant country in the UN.

Well it's nice to see there are some people out there that understand.

Unfortunately I think we're the minority and that there are more out there like Bozzy that can't see beyond the labels and refuse to accept the possibility that those marked as terrorists might have legitamate issues that deserve empathy and a real effort at a fair resolution.

www.jihadwatch.org

www.faithfreedom.org

Contrary to what everyone wants to believe, this is not a war on terror but a war of religions. Our freedom is dangling in the wind, don't let it slip away so easily by being ignorant.

In fact even our founding fathers knew about the danger.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15201

www.jihadwatch.org

www.faithfreedom.org

Contrary to what everyone wants to believe, this is not a war on terror but a war of religions. Our freedom is dangling in the wind, don't let it slip away so easily by being ignorant.

In fact even our founding fathers knew about the danger.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15201

Absofuckinglute bullshit.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1796t.htm#art11

Now fuck off

espescially by many a European nation. They've tried to stick their heads in the sand and ignore.

Europe is not ignoring terrorism. Europe is ignoring the war in Iraq because the war in Iraq is being lost by the Americans. If the Americans start to win in Iraq then Europe will assist. This is the same mode of operation as used by USa in WW1 & WW2 - sit out the first half and jump in on the winning side. (half joking)

Well it's nice to see there are some people out there that understand.

Unfortunately I think we're the minority and that there are more out there like Bozzy that can't see beyond the labels and refuse to accept the possibility that those marked as terrorists might have legitamate issues that deserve empathy and a real effort at a fair resolution.

Terrorism is a word used to villify and dehumanize the poor and downtrodden who have the audacity to stand up to often overwhelming military force. You certainly can't say all those accused of terrorism are evil, Mandela is certainly held in high esteme for one who was labeled a terrorist for decades. Or look at the founders of the United States, which in comtemporary terms we would label "insurgents" or "terrorists". I would say some Iraqi's may warrant the term terrorist such as those who chop off aid workers' heads but it pisses me off when they call Iraqis terrorists simply for attacking american or british troops . Defending your country from a foreign invasion does not make you a terrorist, it makes you patriotic. Most Americans who supported the invasion of Iraq would probably support the insurgents if they were born in Iraq.

I originally posted this elsewhere, but it seems to fit. Adds that nice dramatic element:

We are now fighting a war against no country, a war in which our enemy is not a people or a religion. We have been called to arms against a threat which, though active as long as any other, has vaulted into new realms of danger in recent times, a threat that grows perhaps faster than any other.

We call this enemy "terrorism," and many would end the definition there. The first step towards being able to defeat an adversary, however, lies in understanding him, and in this regard we are poorer equipped than ever before. While totalitarian regimes and runnaway dictators threaten not only ourselves but the safety of the world, we have confronted such opponents before and know what they want, how they think. In the case of terrorism, however, we understand nothing. And in that lies a failure which will result in the failure of all of our endeavors against terrorism until we rectify it.

Clever, devious leaders have used radical interpretations of Islam to convince young men to attack and murder, but that hardly constitutes the entire picture. Clear-headed men and women do not become murderers at the tip of the hat, upon hearing a new idea. Rather they must be conditioned, from birth. In creating Israel, we reversed Great Britain's promise to the Palestinians that the land would be theirs, in exchange for the Palestinian's aid in opposing the Ottoman Empire thirty years earlier. By supporting Israel's actions, protecting her from the UN, and supplying its army with weapons, we have made enemies of every Arab who believes that Jerusalem is their city, as well as the Israelis.

We placed Saddam Hussein in power, only to topple him later. And why did he receive our favor in the first place? To oppose the Ayatullah Ruhollah Khomeini, who took over Iran in a popular coup over the Shah, whom we had placed in power. Most Arabs see the United States as scheming manipulators, trying to control their countries and steal their oil -- and why should they not, with our track record!? Terrorism is not an illogical or spontaneous act. Rather it is a culmination of many factors: oft-justified hatred against the United States; helplessness against our might, which we lent to Israel; frustration that even the UN cannot put upon us some form of check.

What is the translation of al-Qaeda? It means "the shield." Consider the implication -- the group we see as savage murderers considers themselves the defenders of the Arab world, a "shield" against the perceived greed and meddling of the United States. They do not call us "the Great Satan" for nothing; it constitutes a deeply held belief.

If terrorists take cowardly actions, it is because that is all they are able to do. Their countries are unable to fight on their behalf. All the diplomatic institutions of the world can hold us back only if we choose to let them, as seen with our recent invasion of Iraq. Some may call terrorists cowards; millions more call them freedom fighters. Consider that these men and women, however much we may despise them, however despicable their acts, are brave enough to stand against the most powerful country on earth with nothing more than their faith and whatever weapon they can get their hands on -- most frequently their own body. The terror they seek to incite is only the burden they have lived under their entire lives.

If we simplify the situation, declare terrorists "cowards" unilaterally, cast them as something worthy of scorn, death, and nothing more, we will succeed only in rousing more to fight us. Those who oppose us by force of arms must not do so with impunity, no, but at the same time our resources are best spent fighting the situation which has caused those people to turn against us in the first place.

How do we do so? I admit that I do not know. However, leaning heavily on Israel to create a Palestinian state, as they promised to allow 50 years ago and reneged soon after, could not hurt us. Allowing the UN to sanction what it sees as our excesses could not hurt. Assisting Middle Eastern economies with aid and technology instead of exploiting them for their oil could certainly not hurt. Until we take these or some similar action, we will never win the war against terrorism, for each terrorist we kill will only inspire another to take up the fight. See the terrorists as what they are: the best and brightest of their generation, strong-willed and desperately brave. Think of all these gifts wasted by the pursuit of revenge, and what their loss costs their countries and the world. Think, and see that until we fix our image, we fight not "terrorism" but only its foot soldiers, while allowing the real problem to grow more virulent with each passing day.

The Arab world is ruled by dictators because that is the only way the Arab culture allows it to. The Arab world is cash rich and home to abject poverty. The richest of the Arab leaders maintain power by increasing religious teachings of solidarity and blaming the other (USA or Israel or the West or Russia) for everything bad. The Arab masses seem to accept this and hence energy is directed not at reforming society (as they see themselves in strong religious solidarity with their society and it's leaders), but rather at striking out at the other (their percieved oppresssors).

This is a system which allows for positive reinforcement. If some Arabs strike at the other (911) and the other responds (Iraq), then both the percieved victimisation and solidarity with resistance increase. This reinforces the hold of the dictators over the Arab world. Furthermore I believe 911 was a result of this externalisation of blame for the corruption and brutality of the Arab world.

The West is far from blameless. The West has installed dictators, been complicit in the slaughter of millions & funded one tribe in preference to another the world over. However only in the Arab world has this led to an attempted revolution designed not to overcome the local corrupt regimes but rather to overthrow the West.

As for Israel, why don't we bomb the ever-loving f*** out of them without a whit of warning? Their nukes would no longer be a problem, the Arabs would love us, and we'd no longer have to go to bat for an otherwise pissant country in the UN.
smart Idea.
solve all your problems by kill whole the jews.
you just be like all the others who tried it before.
that include anout ten other nations who was in the past, but I think that I only need to say one:nazi germany!!

smart Idea.
solve all your problems by kill whole the jews.
you just be like all the others who tried it before.
that include anout ten other nations who was in the past, but I think that I only need to say one:nazi germany!!
No, no, no. Not t3h j0000000000000s in general, just the ill-tempered neocon j00s in Isra...er, Palestine.

I mean, I'm as anti-Semitic as the next guy, but if we killed all t3h j00s, then there wouldn't be any more to persecute. And baby Jesus would cry.

No, no, no. Not t3h j0000000000000s in general, just the ill-tempered neocon j00s in Isra...er, Palestine.

I mean, I'm as anti-Semitic as the next guy, but if we killed all t3h j00s, then there wouldn't be any more to persecute. And baby Jesus would cry.

If we killed all the jews, who'd we get to own everything?

Wal-mart?