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got a decent news article?

Wow, the French actually have guns. I thought for sure they would be relaxing and sipping on some champagne.

got a decent news article?
Good luck finding any in the MSM.

OOI!! It's 100mb's!! How could you! :angry:

Jeez, when did this happen?

Jeez, when did this happen?
In the last couple days, I think.

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got a decent news article?

Yeah, can you link that to an article?

Well..I just looked at the video...wow...really..just...wow...but hey its okay because the UN said the French could be there. :rolleyes:

I don't ever want to hear the French lecture me again on "ethical treatment to terrorist prisoners" if that's what they'll do to civilians. Fucking hypocrites.

I don't ever want to hear the French lecture me again on "ethical treatment to terrorist prisoners" if that's what they'll do to civilians. Fucking hypocrites.

Here here!

I don't ever want to hear the French lecture me again on "ethical treatment to terrorist prisoners" if that's what they'll do to civilians. Fucking hypocrites.


Ya, no shit.

That one person towards the end of the video had a pile of mush and bits of skull left for a head. Fuckin' wrong man, no matter who's done it.

Yeah, can you link that to an article?

i assume this article mentions the same incident
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-patriots16nov16,1,6768969.story

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I don't ever want to hear the French lecture me again on "ethical treatment to terrorist prisoners" if that's what they'll do to civilians. Fucking hypocrites.

well, the french government and military anyways. i'd imagine the french left are busy getting called anti-french by the le pen types for not supporting this action whole-heartedly.

well, the french government and military anyways. i'd imagine the french left are busy getting called anti-french by the le pen types for not supporting this action whole-heartedly.

I also get the feeling that this thread is only because they are French. If it were Americans it would be 'It happens in war!!' and if it was anyone else they wouldn't care. I'm not especially big on a lot of the things the French government has done over the past several decades, but its more fun to watch people who don't even know about the French go on about how much they hate them..

I also get the feeling that this thread is only because they are French. If it were Americans it would be 'It happens in war!!' and if it was anyone else they wouldn't care. I'm not especially big on a lot of the things the French government has done over the past several decades, but its more fun to watch people who don't even know about the French go on about how much they hate them..

Yes, everybody rallies around our troops when they murder unarmed resistors, but when the French do it, look out.

I'm not condoning those actions, just saying that we should hold ourselves by the same standards that we hold everyone else.

No make no mistake.

When Americans do it, there's a world wide outcry, and Americans themselves condemn it. The soldiers who did it are then tried and dealt with (unfortunately this is not enough for some people, who also want to be allowed to sever their vital organs with serrated razor blades simply because they googled and found a picture of something that might resemble what the soldier did under circumstances that they don't understand).

When it's the French, generally speaking people will THEN go "Well times of war require...". Yeah, mind pointing me to a video of a band of Americans driving in armored vehicles into a crowd of innocents that are really just standing there, and then open fire? How about something similar?

Oh wait you'll link me to the video shown on CNN of the F/A-18 dropping a bomb on the insurgents crossing the road, under the facade that it's "civilians just walking along", hah.

Nah it's worse when the French do it, because now instead of just being monsters, they're hypocrites as well.

I suggest that all who can write to the French Emabassies to show outrage and get an explanation. Also what site did you get that off and can you be sure of the date?

I also get the feeling that this thread is only because they are French. If it were Americans it would be 'It happens in war!!' and if it was anyone else they wouldn't care. I'm not especially big on a lot of the things the French government has done over the past several decades, but its more fun to watch people who don't even know about the French go on about how much they hate them..

Where have you been in the last week or two? Do you not read the news or watch the news? An American is accused of shooting a wounded Iraqi and its making these huge headlines. Why? Well because we're at war and war has rules but the rules don't matter.

This story no one has never heard before because its the French. Seriously, who in their right minds would believe that France would do something like this. They don't even know how to work a gun. Anyways, I hope France gets stomped on because of this.

Where have you been in the last week or two? Do you not read the news or watch the news? An American is accused of shooting a wounded Iraqi and its making these huge headlines. Why? Well because we're at war and war has rules but the rules don't matter.

This story no one has never heard before because its the French. Seriously, who in their right minds would believe that France would do something like this. They don't even know how to work a gun. Anyways, I hope France gets stomped on because of this.

They will not, I have looked for it in news on Google and cannot find anybody reporting it. Not even African sites, which is suprising, this is the only reason I question the dating of the video.

I do too, but it won't happen. France has the fucking U.N. secretary general eating out of the palm of his hand.

Not that I actually respect the United Nations or believe they have the authority to do anything, but it will be amusing to watch someone voice a protest, and the secretary-general scream "BUT IT'S A WAR, THEY HAVE TO!"

I do too, but it won't happen. France has the fucking U.N. secretary general eating out of the palm of his hand.

Not that I actually respect the United Nations or believe they have the authority to do anything, but it will be amusing to watch someone voice a protest, and the secretary-general scream "BUT IT'S A WAR, THEY HAVE TO!"

The French wouldn't be in the U.N. if it wasn't for the Americans. You know what? The U.N. wouldn't exist because the U.S. made it. The French are dumbasses. period.

I may not agree with you on the Hitler thing, but I couldn't possibly agree more with you about France.

Of course, despite all their rantings and ravings and cries whenever they need America, France has no desire to be an American ally, but an American rival.

The United States will always be the bane of France's existence by their own choosing - because they are intolerable of American existence if it does not directly benefit them.

The French are dumbasses. period.
Americans are ignorant fools who love generalisations.

See? I can do it too.

...except i'm not being serious.
I also get the feeling that this thread is only because they are French. If it were Americans it would be 'It happens in war!!' and if it was anyone else they wouldn't care. I'm not especially big on a lot of the things the French government has done over the past several decades, but its more fun to watch people who don't even know about the French go on about how much they hate them..

I agree. I think this is undeniably terrible and those responsible should be punished according to international law, but it seems that people don't give a rats arse about the action itself, but rather that France was responsible. You're right, if it was the USA involved here, these very people would be defending it.

because they are intolerable of American existence if it does not directly benefit them.

America can be easily accused of the same with regards to dictatorships the world over.

Well, I would be viciously opposed to the bullshit thing that people call "International Law", because I don't believe in it or suppotr it. I don't believe the U.N. has any right to punish anyone, America, France, Saddam, anyone.

Since there is no world government, there can be no world law.

But don't sink into this ridiculously liberal arguement that because America doesn't feel that Fallujah was an evil attack, that we would therefore justify something like what those French fucks did. You're falling back onto your heels the same way you accuse any one else of doing, you're defending them BECAUSE they're French.

Though if you'd like to point out a single example of an American in Iraq committing an atrocity and not having to stand trial for it, I'd be curious to see it.

You're falling back onto your heels the same way you accuse any one else of doing, you're defending them BECAUSE they're French.

I'm defending them because they are being victimised particularly because they are French, and I am sick and tired of attitudes towards the French people that are borderline "racism" from people on this forum in particular. You are the one that is unjustified. I'm fine with condemming this. But focusing on it because they are French and people making comments like "The French are dumbasses. period." are inappropriate and completely idiotic. The people who did this are dumbasses. Not all French.

Though if you'd like to point out a single example of an American in Iraq committing an atrocity and not having to stand trial for it, I'd be curious to see it.

Umm, you see, we wouldn't hear about it if they didn't have to stand trial, would we?

I have to agree with Kanabia to be honest. If the French were in Iraq with the "coalition" would this topic have even been raised on this board? Something tells me not. If the East Timor situation was underway now, would you be so rabidly attacking the Indonesians and Australians? (for example)

I have to agree with Kanabia to be honest. If the French were in Iraq with the "coalition" would this topic have even been raised on this board? Something tells me not. If the East Timor situation was underway now, would you be so rabidly attacking the Indonesians and Australians? (for example)

This act was horrible.

The french are not.

group of people =/= ethnicity.

And above posters were right, had this been a group of americans, people on this board would've been defending them.

**takes out watch, waits for people to attack him and accuse him of defending the act**

Oh that's right, FRANCE is being victimized here, because people are pointing out that it's wrong to fire into a fucking crowd of civilians?

You're a real genius buddy.

Though if you'd like to point out a single example of an American in Iraq committing an atrocity and not having to stand trial for it, I'd be curious to see it.

The problem is that the american military monitors all media leaving Iraq, so there is probal alot of things happening there that we dont hear about that violate the geneava convention

I'm defending them because they are being victimised particularly because they are French, and I am sick and tired of attitudes towards the French people that are borderline "racism" from people on this forum in particular. You are the one that is unjustified. I'm fine with condemming this. But focusing on it because they are French and people making comments like "The French are dumbasses. period." are inappropriate and completely idiotic. The people who did this are dumbasses. Not all French.



Umm, you see, we wouldn't hear about it if they didn't have to stand trial, would we?

*nod*

I would be happy* to point out French fuckups and attrocities from the past, but I know the people who would back me up are exactly the people you don't want backing you up because it would only be because of their random dislike of the French...



*by happy, I mean I could if I wanted to, but wouldn't be happy because I generally can't be fucked with these things.

I watched this video and was horrified, I can't believe there were no reports of it in the news.

Oh that's right, FRANCE is being victimized here, because people are pointing out that it's wrong to fire into a fucking crowd of civilians?

You're a real genius buddy.
What we are saying is that something that the French military does, dosent necesarily represent the veiw, or probable action of the French public

And I'm saying I don't want to hear any more French bullshit that the United States is made up of a bunch of atrocious murderers because an American shoots a potential threat to his life in the middle of a major battle if they're going to have troops who take pop shots at crowds of civilians.

Let's remain consistent here.

And I'm saying I don't want to hear any more French bullshit that the United States is made up of a bunch of atrocious murderers because an American shoots a potential threat to his life in the middle of a major battle if they're going to have troops who take pop shots at crowds of civilians.

Let's remain consistent here.

Notice how it's the left leaning posters who ARE remaining consistant? They're the ones who didn't defend american soldiers or french soldiers?

I have to agree with Kanabia to be honest. If the French were in Iraq with the "coalition" would this topic have even been raised on this board? Something tells me not. If the East Timor situation was underway now, would you be so rabidly attacking the Indonesians and Australians? (for example)


Just wondering where the outrage for this is. Honestly now, when the Marine story came out how many threads popped up condeming it? This happens and its "Its only France..blah blah blah..pass the blame..blah blah blah."

If France were in the coalition it wouldnt make any difference. They went into the Ivory Coast before they had UN permission, got UN permission afterwards(as if anyone was going to complain about them being in one of their former colonies) and decided to play the role of cop. Commendable but from the crowds in the street and the news report people dont want them there(At least the Africans dont).

What gets people pissed off is having to defend the US on a constant basis and yet bingo here is a golden opportunity to lash out against one of the main detractors for the past couple of years.

And I'm saying I don't want to hear any more French bullshit that the United States is made up of a bunch of atrocious murderers because an American shoots a potential threat to his life in the middle of a major battle if they're going to have troops who take pop shots at crowds of civilians.

Let's remain consistent here.

If you look at the number of gun related murders per head of population, I think the French are more justified to hassle the americans than the other way around

Oh that's right, FRANCE is being victimized here, because people are pointing out that it's wrong to fire into a fucking crowd of civilians?

You're a real genius buddy.

No. It's the way in which it is being done.

As I said...

I think this action is totally disgusting.

However, it doesn't call for random stabs at the French people- it is the French government and military that are responsible and they who should be punished.

There is no need for what could be considered close to outright racism.

The only news I can find that relates to protesters in the Ivory Coast says that government troops killed 120 protesters in March.

Edit: I was wrong I found a related news story here (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1242980.htm)

the link dosnt work for me.. so before i decide to enter this argument what the hell is on it?

Anyone else want to tell me what my next few theses are? I mean you all want to order me to have certain positions now, let's carry on with it. What's my position on Chechnya while you're at it?

Seriously, I'm calling France a bunch of hypocrites.

Then you go into this little jihad about how I try to justify everything America does. Yeah, you're a bunch of fucking psychoanalysists now.

I'm inconsistent because I call France hypocritical for sending troops into an African territory without permission to try to play mediator and end up blowing away civilians, yup.

There are also reports of several dozen white women being raped by looters in the Ivory Coast over the last week.

Anyone else want to tell me what my next few theses are? I mean you all want to order me to have certain positions now, let's carry on with it. What's my position on Chechnya while you're at it?

Seriously, I'm calling France a bunch of hypocrites.

Then you go into this little jihad about how I try to justify everything America does. Yeah, you're a bunch of fucking psychoanalysists now.

I'm inconsistent because I call France hypocritical for sending troops into an African territory without permission to try to play mediator and end up blowing away civilians, yup.

You have the right to call the French government a bunch of hypocrites, and I agree.

But you generalise and label the whole nation as such.

The crimes are inexcusable.

But so is the attitude of those who like to take advantage of this and throw in random jibes about the French people.

the link dosnt work for me.. so before i decide to enter this argument what the hell is on it?

Some French soldiers have apparently shot a bunch of civilians, and now apparently this means all French people should shutup about the war in Iraq.

Everyone is making gross generalisations, and have missed that I dislike the French government almost as much as the American.

There are also reports of several dozen white women being raped by looters in the Ivory Coast over the last week.

*slaps head* Now all the closet KKK people are going to come out with racist remarks.

Just kidding...I hope.

Some French soldiers have apparently shot a bunch of civilians, and now apparently this means all French people should shutup about the war in Iraq.

Everyone is making gross generalisations, and have missed that I dislike the French government almost as much as the American.

k thx... if its really that bad and is not on the news this evening i will dismiss this indicent as being false...

k thx... if its really that bad and is not on the news this evening i will dismiss this indicent as being false...

Video is pretty concrete.

There are also reports of several dozen white women being raped by looters in the Ivory Coast over the last week.

If they're white in the Ivory Coast, they're probably French. No one hears about it because the media are off elsewhere. Its the same reason no one cared about Sudan until recently because the media were way too late getting there.

*slaps head* Now all the closet KKK people are going to come out with racist remarks.

Just kidding...I hope.

I'm not trying to be racist. It's just that rebel leaders in the country are calling on people to target white people. I realized it sounded racist, but I intended nothing racist by it. The members of the rebellion have a much easier time targeting white people and so they do that.

I'm not trying to be racist. It's just that rebel leaders in the country are calling on people to target white people. I realized it sounded racist, but I intended nothing racist by it. The members of the rebellion have a much easier time targeting white people and so they do that.

No, no, I didn't mean you were being racist at all :)

But it could be taken with the same principle. You could make racist remarks following that comment just as people have done with the French, and forgotten the relevance of the original event. Exactly the same thing could be done.

I'm not trying to be racist. It's just that rebel leaders in the country are calling on people to target white people. I realized it sounded racist, but I intended nothing racist by it. The members of the rebellion have a much easier time targeting white people and so they do that.
your right it is racist but not on your part, but on that of the rebel leaders. what must be reliezed for the librel's equal world to ever exist with the white population being truely happy as well as the others, is the racism gose both ways.

your right it is racist but not on your part, but on that of the rebel leaders. what must be reliezed for the librel's equal world to ever exist with the white population being truely happy as well as the others, is the racism gose both ways.

Of course racism goes both ways. But I think the constant western imperialism over African nations is much more of a racist offense than the rebels seeking out Europeans in their country.

The Imperialism implies a feeling of superiority.

your right it is racist but not on your part, but on that of the rebel leaders. what must be reliezed for the librel's equal world to ever exist with the white population being truely happy as well as the others, is the racism gose both ways.

Yes, it is obviously racist on the part of those targeting whites on the sole reasoning that they are white.

But it's unfair and wrong to generalise and say that the whole population is doing so. (which isn't what the original poster meant)

And same deal with the French.

No, no, I didn't mean you were being racist at all :)

But it could be taken with the same principle. You could make racist remarks following that comment just as people have done with the French, and forgotten the relevance of the original event. Exactly the same thing could be done.

I see, I thought you were inferring that I was closet KKK. Crossed wires thats all :)

If this turns out to be true, then it's a disgusting act and I sincerely hope the perpetrators are punished. I'm French, by the way. And I'm so tired of every act being a pretext for xenophobic generalisations by people fueled by hate and incapable of coherent, complex thought - whether it be generalisations targetted at the Americans, the French or any other nationality. But I suppose it's pointless to ask xenophobic morons to grow a brain cell...

I can't believe there were no reports of it in the news.

well, it was in africa. and unless the government (particularly in the usa) tells the media 'hey, look at this one particular part of africa', the media pretty much ignores the entire continent. it probably got a 20 word blob in the "world page" of the major news papers, above the half page ad for the local car dealership.

well, it was in africa. and unless the government (particularly in the usa) tells the media 'hey, look at this one particular part of africa', the media pretty much ignores the entire continent. it probably got a 20 word blob in the "world page" of the major news papers, above the half page ad for the local car dealership.

yeah pretty much.

Context is lacking, and what began the incident.

The camera never showed who fired the shots - there were no indications of firing from the scenes with the French military.

Considering the firepower there, if the French troops wanted all those people dead, they would all be dead. And what started the firing? What happened?

Yes, we saw injuries and death. Ok - but who fired? That is not known given that camera angle. Assuming it was the French... well, you can, but we don't know enough to make such a fast opinion.

Many questions here. Yes, gory footage, but facts are lacking. And without facts, making a judgement of any sort is impossible.

Emotional thinking may have "oooh, French are bad". But I want to know more first. Who set those cars on fire?

No, I don't believe the local or national news here either - want more facts first.

Context is lacking, and what began the incident.

There were conflicts between French and UN peacekeepers. A bomb killed 9 French and 1 American. The French responded with an airstrike. Rebels in Ivory Coast started lashing out and rioting, targeting white people specifically. France is in the process of evacuating about 6000 people. A big mess.

That didn't look like a riot - too immobile. More of a protest. But we could not see the front line of the protest. Did they throw things? Were they armed? Was there another party involved somewhere?

France appears to be acting like the US, and France's reputation began to go sour in Vietnam (before the US took over and made it worse). So, what did happen here?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/ivorycoast_11-09-04.html

wow -- 50 civilians killed for protesting, I'm thankful to live in the USA where they don't send military tanks to protests. oh wait -- http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/la_tanks.htm

well, atleast they haven't used them.... yet.

That didn't look like a riot - too immobile. More of a protest. But we could not see the front line of the protest. Did they throw things? Were they armed? Was there another party involved somewhere?

France appears to be acting like the US, and France's reputation began to go sour in Vietnam (before the US took over and made it worse). So, what did happen here?

This is.. old news. o.o

French were Peacekeeping in Ivory Coast, allowed in by the UN and Ivorian Goverment, to make shure that the Ivorian goverment and the Ivorian Rebels don't fight again.
Thing is, the Ivorian goverment saw an opportunity to get rid of the rebels, but the French were in the way. So they send in their airforce to piss off the French. Results: 9 French and 1 American dead. They indeed piss off the French, that retaliate by blowing up the Ivorian airforce (which is very small). Offcourse, the people of Ivory Coast rally behind their goverment, against the French Military, and French Civilians (14000 of them) living in Ivory Coast. Groups of armed people start going after French Civilians well armed with machetes and screaming "everyone get your french", so the French Goverment starts airlifting out every one of them they can find. But they are many times met with protest. In many cases they were fired upon, and they fired back. Most likely, with way too many force.

Just wondering where the outrage for this is. Honestly now, when the Marine story came out how many threads popped up condeming it? This happens and its "Its only France..blah blah blah..pass the blame..blah blah blah."

If France were in the coalition it wouldnt make any difference. They went into the Ivory Coast before they had UN permission, got UN permission afterwards(as if anyone was going to complain about them being in one of their former colonies) and decided to play the role of cop. Commendable but from the crowds in the street and the news report people dont want them there(At least the Africans dont).

What gets people pissed off is having to defend the US on a constant basis and yet bingo here is a golden opportunity to lash out against one of the main detractors for the past couple of years.


Damn right.

this video is really funny. The fact is that there is still a polemic about wether the french shot or the ivorian security forces shot. Nobody knows who did it by now, but many are happy that they found a reason to bash the french after they opposed the war in Iraq. So they accept the idea that the french were responsible.



If France were in the coalition it wouldnt make any difference. They went into the Ivory Coast before they had UN permission, got UN permission afterwards(as if anyone was going to complain about them being in one of their former colonies) and decided to play the role of cop. Commendable but from the crowds in the street and the news report people dont want them there(At least the Africans dont).


The french came because they were called to help there bringing peace by the gbagbo government which had problems containing the rebels, that became angry after discriminations made against them. People there don't want the french because they want war - at least, Gbagbo wants war, and the government controlled media supports him by news like "the french wanted to kill Gbagbo with snipers" or other non-sense unproved accusations, that lead to the rape of many french civilians, and which will eventually result in the economical death of the country, since french companies and citizens payed around half of the total of taxes there. It gives an idea of what Gbagbo is doing to his country.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/ivorycoast_11-09-04.html

wow -- 50 civilians killed for protesting, I'm thankful to live in the USA where they don't send military tanks to protests. oh wait -- http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/la_tanks.htm

well, atleast they haven't used them.... yet.

In fact it was 7 and it is yet unsure if they were killed by the ivorian police or by the french troops. The french troops were only there to protect the evacuation of french and other white citizens after several days of racist violences against them. The tanks were not sent against the crowd, the crowd went to the tanks.

Video is pretty concrete.

you have no clue man. Please stop talking about what you don't know :/

There were conflicts between French and UN peacekeepers. A bomb killed 9 French and 1 American. The French responded with an airstrike. Rebels in Ivory Coast started lashing out and rioting, targeting white people specifically. France is in the process of evacuating about 6000 people. A big mess.


again, someone who doesn't know what he is talking about.
The Gbagbo government sent his air forces against the french, killing nine french soldiers and one american from a humanitarian association. As an answer, the french destroyed the air forces of Cote d'Ivoire.
There was never any conflicts between french and UN peacekeepers. The answer of the french was not an air strike, since the peacekeepers (french and UN, the french only obeying to UN commands)have no planes there. The french army destroyed the planes while they where on the ground.
Those who rioted are not the rebels (north of the country) but the loyalist toward the president Gbagbo, pushed in that way by the government-controlled media.




edit: I'm not going to explain what happened to every of those who posted there. I hope most will read those posts and search for themselves what is the truth. And, please, not believe every stupid thing that can be seen on the internet, and try to verify the information they see. Thx.

Context is lacking, and what began the incident.

The camera never showed who fired the shots - there were no indications of firing from the scenes with the French military.

Considering the firepower there, if the French troops wanted all those people dead, they would all be dead. And what started the firing? What happened?

Yes, we saw injuries and death. Ok - but who fired? That is not known given that camera angle. Assuming it was the French... well, you can, but we don't know enough to make such a fast opinion.

Many questions here. Yes, gory footage, but facts are lacking. And without facts, making a judgement of any sort is impossible.

Emotional thinking may have "oooh, French are bad". But I want to know more first. Who set those cars on fire?

No, I don't believe the local or national news here either - want more facts first.

probably the best post in this thread. It might be the french, and in this case, it is not only OK, but mandatory to complain about it; but by now we don't know if it was them. So, before you call people monsters, take the time to verify things. My previous posts explain the context a little bit.

The French army sucks! I can't download that huge video, but when I see an article about it in a real news source, I will certainly write to the French embassy complaining.

French govt is as bad as Americans:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4030125.stm

Of course, despite all their rantings and ravings and cries whenever they need America, France has no desire to be an American ally, but an American rival.
It looks to me like they want to be both!

The United States will always be the bane of France's existence by their own choosing - because they are intolerable of American existence if it does not directly benefit them.
The French are not intolderant of American existence - they have only themselves to blame for America's existence - they're intolerant of American world dominance.

Well, I would be viciously opposed to the bullshit thing that people call "International Law", because I don't believe in it or support it.
So do want the world to go back to the way it was pre-WW1? Read a history book. The world was a brutal place back then, at the beck and call of hegemonic European powers. There are very good reasons why international law exists.

The French army sucks! I can't download that huge video, but when I see an article about it in a real news source, I will certainly write to the French embassy complaining.

French govt is as bad as Americans:




I suggest you read the thread you're talking about before posting inside it :headbang:

If you look at the number of gun related murders per head of population, I think the French are more justified to hassle the americans than the other way around
Ironically, most of our gun deaths come from areas with high levels of gun control laws.

Wait, so this was done more in defense then anything else?

So...everyone who was like "OMG French are teh SUXX0RS" were wrong?

Sorry i would join this conversation but my internet sucks and this movie doesn't want to load so i will jjoin as soon as i can :headbang:

In fact it was 7

link please, or am I supposed to take your word for it?

The French are anything but Mr. Chuckles when it comes to applying armed force in the World. Their regular forces aren’t that great but their special forces are among the World’s best. The French Foreign Legion (mainly made up of French) is one of the toughest units in the World and gets a whole lot of action (some of my buddies are in the process of joining them). To put it in perspective their platoon jungle obstacle course has a record of 45 minutes and anything less than 2 hours is a fail. The only Marines to attempt it took over 8 hours. The French Foreign Legion is deployed by order of the French President without consultation with the Government (I think the US Marines have a similar deployment).

In the 80’s with Chad you had a situation where the French President was at war with Libya (to keep them from Chad’s uranium) but France was not. During their deployment to Lebanon, they ranked very highly amongst the Lebanese as people you really didn’t want to mess around with. The French Foreign Legion are usually the first guys into any of these old French African colonies. They are a bit heavy on the trigger, but very professional. Let’s face it the brutality of this unit was the reason for France getting a black eye in the World Press before their defeat in Vietnam: pictures coming home with ex-Nazi’s displaying their iron crosses and nazi decorations openly posing for photos with tortured Vietnamese. After that the French gov put the brakes on the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, but by then they’d already reaped too much hatred to fix. The thing is don't think of the French as those incompetants who botched the defence of their homeland in WWII. Those days are long gone and they are among the few nations in the World doing a lot to increase the power of their military, instead of reduce it.

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#76 - good post.


The French are going into Ivory Coast with the baggage of the Rwandan genocide on their minds. Letting a well armed tribe loose on their neighbours is not a mistake they wish to have repeated.

Hi, from France :D .
I would like to see this video but it's too long for my 56k.
Is there someone who could take the first 1Mo part and post it ?
Thank's.

The French are going into Ivory Coast with the baggage of the Rwandan genocide on their minds. Letting a well armed tribe loose on their neighbours is not a mistake they wish to have repeated.

Not that Im saying the French fucked up like everyone else is saying. But because they have that thought on their mind it gives them the right to kill people? Sure you're not going that far, but please, lets be honest here. That is no excuse for anything.