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I mean seriously, why do people care so much if you're right or wrong about creationism or evolution? Just let people believe what they want and get on with life, there are better things to do. Jeez, why do both sides need to be so arrogant towards one another over this issue? You believe god created the world, fine. You believe humans evolved, fine. I don't see why there needs to be so much tension. You have every right to argue about this stuff, but jeez, you don't need to be ripe assholes about it.

Creationists - we haven't seen god make the world, so there is no evidence that he created the world.

Evolutionists - why do you want scientific evidence for a religious belief? if god is omnipotent and all that, why would he/she need to adhere to scientific laws? try looking at the other sides' point of view for once. just because you have 'evidence,' doesn't make you any more right than the creationists. why? because for all we know, that evidence could be total BS.

Anyone else agree?

Agreed. To bad both sides like being jackasses about the issue. Especially the evolutionists in the past day with what, four different threads demanding responses from Creationists?Unfortunately it wont go away...thats not how the General forum operates..its gonna become one of those topics that comes up time and time again like a bad rash.

I care enough that I'm preparing a massive military campaign to go and wipe out the Creationists.

I'll call it 'The Crusades'... wait, that's been done.

... Point taken, and yes I do agree. The only thing is though, I cannot accept people claiming that Creation is a scientific argument and that it should be taught beside Evolution. Other than that though, I don't give a fuck what people believe.

... Point taken, and yes I do agree. The only thing is though, I cannot accept people claiming that Creation is a scientific argument and that it should be taught beside Evolution. Other than that though, I don't give a fuck what people believe.

And you managed to contradict yourself..amazing..so why would you care if there was alittle blurb stating that some folks feel different? Technically its part of human history that before Darwin creationism was the big belief. I dont care but I honestly dont think anyone should be trashed over their own moral/spiritual belief.

... Point taken, and yes I do agree. The only thing is though, I cannot accept people claiming that Creation is a scientific argument and that it should be taught beside Evolution. Other than that though, I don't give a fuck what people believe.

Creationism isn't scientific. As long as evolution is taught from a neutral point of view (in other words, you don't teach kids that there is no god and creationism is a load of bs - that is a conflict of church and state, too). But from looking at these threads, the evolutionists are the ones being arrogant asses right now.

Any excuse to raise an army

I don't care. I just like arguing about it.

I don't care, so long as someone doesn't start pestering/forcing me to choose the way they did.

However, if pushed that far, I tend to be an inflictor of psychological trauma.

And you managed to contradict yourself..amazing..so why would you care if there was alittle blurb stating that some folks feel different? Technically its part of human history that before Darwin creationism was the big belief. I dont care but I honestly dont think anyone should be trashed over their own moral/spiritual belief.

I managed to contradict myself? I did bloody not :D. The post before my last was an obvious joke.

Creation isn't a science, which most people accept, and thus shouldn't be taught alongside Evolution as a scientific theory. You can believe it, fine... like I said, I 'don't give a fuck'... but it shouldn't be taught as science. Teach it even, but teach it as religion... not science.

I'm not contradicting myself.

We may have lost the election but the fight against barbarism cannot ever let up.

ROmans may have thought: "oh, those vandals, those visigoths, WHO CARES?"

History has proven that barbarians are entirely capable of ruining civilizations.

It is the duty of every civilized person to defend civilization so that their grandchildren may live in the same enlightenment that they enjoy.

I managed to contradict myself? I did bloody not :D. The post before my last was an obvious joke.

Creation isn't a science, which most people accept, and thus shouldn't be taught alongside Evolution as a scientific theory. You can believe it, fine... like I said, I 'don't give a fuck'... but it shouldn't be taught as science. Teach it even, but teach it as religion... not science.

I'm not contradicting myself.

The topic is whether or not you cared about the debate..you go from caring about the debate to saying you dont give a fuck. In the same post. That itself is a contradiction :p

It's really a pointless debate. Nobody is going to change sides. Everyone's entrenched in their dogma. I wish I had a car.

The topic is whether or not you cared about the debate..you go from caring about the debate to saying you dont give a fuck. In the same post. That itself is a contradiction :p

Reading comprehension skills!

We may have lost the election but the fight against barbarism cannot ever let up.

ROmans may have thought: "oh, those vandals, those visigoths, WHO CARES?"

History has proven that barbarians are entirely capable of ruining civilizations.

It is the duty of every civilized person to defend civilization so that their grandchildren may live in the same enlightenment that they enjoy.

By divying different peoples into groups, you yourself are the 'uncivlized' barbarian.

Just because someone believes in god, doesn't mean you have to flog them for it. Who's the one being aggressive in that scenario? People always go on and on about how religions are so intolerant, but they themselves cannot tolerate them nor recognize another part of the first amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

By divying different peoples into groups, you yourself are the 'uncivlized' barbarian.

Just because someone believes in god, doesn't mean you have to flog them for it. Who's the one being aggressive in that scenario? People always go on and on about how religions are so intolerant, but they themselves cannot tolerate them nor recognize another part of the first amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

No one (sane) minds your belief in a god/gods. But some people get annoyed when others go around spouting silliness (creation "science") as though it's fact.

The topic is whether or not you cared about the debate..you go from caring about the debate to saying you dont give a fuck. In the same post. That itself is a contradiction

Actually, it depends by what you mean by 'the debate'. If you mean the orginal Creation vs. Evolution... did God just create us as we are today, or did we evolve... then I really don't care. Like it has been pointed out many, many times you cannot 'prove' either side. BUT when the debate is, should Creation be taught alongside Evolution/Darwinism, then I do care. Does that make sense now? I thought it made perfect sense.

Look, the way I see it Evolution = science and Creation = faith. That is all I am saying, and I think a number of people here have argued this before. If people choose to believe Creation based on faith, then I totally respect that. But if they choose to believe Creation as a scientific theory based on scientific evidence then I kind of do care because it implies a misunderstanding of the whole thing.

Other than that, I don't really care about the actual Creation vs. Evolution - which one is right?

By divying different peoples into groups, you yourself are the 'uncivlized' barbarian.

Just because someone believes in god, doesn't mean you have to flog them for it. Who's the one being aggressive in that scenario? People always go on and on about how religions are so intolerant, but they themselves cannot tolerate them nor recognize another part of the first amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


I have no problem with people believing in god.

My problem is with people trying to get rid of reason in favor of their religion.

That is "barbarism."

Grouping destructive things as destructive does not make a person destructive.

Science is now the Catholic Church of the middle ages. anything that does not satisfy their point of view is labeled as "stupidity" and "ignorance". We have turned into human machines. About the issue at hand, fuck them both. I don't need to know if evolution is true or not because i don't care. From my point of view, putting millions of dollars into research to see if we really did evolve is an insult to the people and a waste of money. Thanks to that, people all over the world can now starve to death but be reassured to know that there was no god, that we're all a bunch of meatbags with no meaning, no future and no purpose. That money could be better spent trying to cure shit like aids. For the most part, creationists waste their own money for the research. Evolutionists waste universities' and government's money, and as such, there is only one way to deal with them :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper:

Science is now the Catholic Church of the middle ages. anything that does not satisfy their point of view is labeled as "stupidity" and "ignorance".

The catholic church didnt call reason "stupidity" and "ignorance"

They called it heresy and they burned people to death for it.


Science (read: reasonable enquiry) is opposed to unreasonable enquiry, which is often the cause of ignorance.

I realy dont care, everyone has their opinions on the subject. But if somone is going to force their 'faith' into science which should only contain facts then try and force it to be taught to kids in school science as a fact they're going to get the sharp end of a metal plated boot up their ass for being such a twit!

Which is why im active in such topics, its true it dosent matter but when people start 'vandilizing' science i cannot just stand by and let it happen.

I realy dont care, Everyone had their opinions on the subject. But if somone is going to force their 'faith' into science which should only contain facts then try and force it to be taught to kids in school science as a fact they're going to get the sharp end of a metal plated boot up their ass for being such a twit!

Which is why im active in such topics, its true it dosent matter but when people start 'vandilizing' science i cannot just stand by and let it happen.

Here, here. Exactly my concern.

I mean seriously, why do people care so much if you're right or wrong about creationism or evolution? Just let people believe what they want and get on with life, there are better things to do. Jeez, why do both sides need to be so arrogant towards one another over this issue? You believe god created the world, fine. You believe humans evolved, fine. I don't see why there needs to be so much tension. You have every right to argue about this stuff, but jeez, you don't need to be ripe assholes about it.

Creationists - we haven't seen god make the world, so there is no evidence that he created the world.

Evolutionists - why do you want scientific evidence for a religious belief? if god is omnipotent and all that, why would he/she need to adhere to scientific laws? try looking at the other sides' point of view for once. just because you have 'evidence,' doesn't make you any more right than the creationists. why? because for all we know, that evidence could be total BS.

Anyone else agree?


Definatelly not, there is a lot at stake here! with that kind of thought, why should we debate Anything at all? :gundge:

From my point of view, putting millions of dollars into research to see if we really did evolve is an insult to the people and a waste of money.


what do you mean by that?

I mean knowing if evolution is true or not does nothing to help humanity in any way

*The catholic church didnt call reason "stupidity" and "ignorance"

They called it heresy and they burned people to death for it.*


Times change my friend. nowadays, if you want to shut somebody up, you can't just burn them, that will get the liberal dogs all over you. The best way to do it is to discredit them. Since the scientific community has a lot of power in what goes as fact, it is easy to dismiss any procedure or idea that has not been found using scientific doctrine.

I'm an Evolutionist, but I do agree people make too damn big a deal out of the Creation/Evolution debate

I don't understand why people say "I'm an evolutionist" as if it was a religion. It's the same thing as saying "I'm a waterist" just because you drink water.

Evolution is a part of nature. And a beautiful one I might add.

*The catholic church didnt call reason "stupidity" and "ignorance"

They called it heresy and they burned people to death for it.*


Times change my friend. nowadays, if you want to shut somebody up, you can't just burn them, that will get the liberal dogs all over you. The best way to do it is to discredit them. Since the scientific community has a lot of power in what goes as fact, it is easy to dismiss any procedure or idea that has not been found using scientific doctrine.

And the conservatives would be like "Whoo! Bonfire!"...?

I'm sorry, but are you being hilarious on purpose?

A scientific theory is a statement based on observation or experimentation that helps to explain facets of the observable world. It is not a "set in stone" belief and tends to be quite plastic, with theories being readilly changed or discarded in light of new information.

Evolution is a scientific theory. The evidence supporting this theory is considerable, to say the least. Creationism on the other hand, is a belief derived entirely from the bible. As such, it should only be taught in sunday school, rather touted as a scientific theory.

If you define Creationism as the belief that God (or at least some consideranly powerful being) created the universe, then I don't see at all how it conflicts with evolution. What if evolution is the tool "God" used to create the universe?
The only conflict comes when Creationists insist that God created Earth around 6000BC, and took 6 days to do it.

Definatelly not, there is a lot at stake here! with that kind of thought, why should we debate Anything at all? :gundge:

What is at stake? I never said it was wrong to debate, but you don't need to be an arrogant asshat.

The catholic church didnt call reason "stupidity" and "ignorance"

They called it heresy and they burned people to death for it.


Science (read: reasonable enquiry) is opposed to unreasonable enquiry, which is often the cause of ignorance.

Don't be stupid, go and read Aquinas. Or Fides et Ratio, a papal encyclical by John Paul II. Both would only begin to cure the depths of your ignorance, so don't spout crap.