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So, today at school, some people came up to me and remaked on how I must be some kind of Emo party boy. I have to admit, I was a bit confused, because not only do I not like emo, I absolutely despise it. So I just sorta said "whaaaaaa''''?????" and they continued to berate me for my "music choice". Well, as I walked away from the conversation, I realized why I looked like an emo kid. I was wearing a red Mario Bros shirt, with striking green pants, and a fashionable studded belt. HOLY SHIT! Who could have guessed that you could assume someones music via their clothes!?

Sorry, that was pointless. The true topic I'd like to bring up is stereotyping. Can we ever really get away from it? Discuss.

No, stereotyping is necessary to survival. You do it all the time without even realizing it.

Hehehe.

I am so emo! My bf just dumped me. I m gonna go curl up, cry, and maybe die. Then wake up and write crappy poetry while I binge on vegan sushi and cry some more.

^I agree with him/her/them. I try not to sterotype and absolutely hate it when people stereotype me, but I can't help it myself!

And then go write in your xanga with a hit count of three about how much your life sucks.

"emo party boy" That’s a bizarre insult. They must have had in their head and been dying to use it for ages.


Yeah, people can be judged by their clothes, although the magnitude of ones assumption is the size of you future margin of error.


there are certain items of clothes that do act as signals/symbols to other people, and they may not be able to tell you everything about that person as a whole, but they can enable you to understand this person situationalaly. i.e. business attire, beach clothes...etc.

Real emo people would not wear stuff like that all the time. You must be refering to the new "emo" which sucks.

Real emo people would not wear stuff like that all the time. You must be refering to the new "emo" which sucks.

There was a time when emo was pretty good. The old stuff always reminds me of ska for some reason.

There was a time when emo was pretty good. The old stuff always reminds me of ska for some reason.

I may be wrong, but I think ska is a product of it.

I may be wrong, but I think ska is a product of it.
That would be reggae. The Skatalites, hell even Marley started off doing ska.

Stereotypes are just part of our modern day society's way of reconciling with difference. It's unavoidable, unfortunately, and in modern culture, it's also a way to divide the world into groups that will never co-exist properly.

That would be reggae. The Skatalites, hell even Marley started off doing ska.

Yeah, I think it went punk, emo, ska, then reggae.

Yeah, I think it went punk, emo, ska, then reggae.
Ska, reggae, punk, emo.

Punks started off listening to reggae, gave birth to punk, then there was emo.

I could have sworn that reggae came first out of all of them.

I also thought that reggae and punk had two completely different origins, and didn't come together until The Clash started experimenting.

I could have sworn that reggae came first out of all of them.

I also thought that reggae and punk had two completely different origins, and didn't come together until The Clash started experimenting.
I won't bank on my asserstion, but I believe that ska emerged first or at least simultaniously. Reggae and punk do have completely different origins(Jamaca(sp) and England respectively), but the latter listened to the former in their beginings.

I won't bank on my asserstion, but I believe that ska emerged first or at least simultaniously. Reggae and punk do have completely different origins(Jamaca(sp) and England respectively), but the latter listened to the former in their beginings.

I agree with you on punk and reggae, but wasn't ska a recent off shoot of punk?

Isn't emo just slow depressive punk?

Isn't emo just slow depressive punk?

Add whiny and you have a pretty fair discription.

Hehe, sucks to be you.

I like it when people try and judge my music tastes by my appearance. But it's kinda weird. I got a free ticket to a Beatles tribute band, and a free poster of some underground metal band recently. I've also been told "Go back to 1992" I guess people don't know what to think ;)

Oh...'emo'. I tought you meant 'Eno', Brian Eno.

Who gives a flying fadoodle about what some closed-minded jerk has to say, anyway? Stick to your guns. Red & green do clash, though...not a colour combo I'd choose to wear, but what of that?

I agree with you on punk and reggae, but wasn't ska a recent off shoot of punk?
*Leans more comfortably on his walking cane.* Let a feller who was there at the time tell you how it was:

Ska pre-dated reggae by quite some time in the West Indies. It crossed the Atlantic via the Jamaican diaspora and was taken up by the mods in the UK in the sixties and then the skinheads, and then by post-punks in the mid-late seventies. And has resurged since by all accounts. Hence it may seem new to you young fellers.

Now your UK punks in the seventies, they came together out of a mixed background of NY punk, UK glam and sixties US punk and UK sixties (mod) guitar bands (eg, The Who, Kinks et al). The latter providing a link to ska, hence its resurgance on the Two-Tone label. And punk has been more or less a continuum since, unlike ska, which seems to come and go.

The roots of reggae were firmly in ska. It started coming over to the UK in the seventies, and the heavy dub version got picked up by punks at their club gigs for a variety of reasons - availability of dub sound-systems against extreme paucity of punk records, the fact that it was cool and largely underground, and it was good chill out music in between the punk sets. Electronic music also started appearing at the gigs too, for much the same reasons.

But I know not of this emo of which you speak.

So there you go.

I may be wrong, but I think ska is a product of it.

Ska and emo sound nothing alike.

Ska is upbeat with horns, it makes you want to dance.

Emo is intense, with songs that build up, the singers usually scream yowards the end of songs.

Most semi-mainstream ska is just pop punk/ska stuff, but not all of it is pop punk sounding...

Mainstream "emo" is just emo and emocore influenced pop-punk or indie rock, real emo isn't usually about girls, that's a pop-punk thing.

*Leans more comfortably on his walking cane.* Let a feller who was there at the time tell you how it was:

Ska pre-dated reggae by quite some time in the West Indies. It crossed the Atlantic via the Jamaican diaspora and was taken up by the mods in the UK in the sixties and then the skinheads, and then by post-punks in the mid-late seventies. And has resurged since by all accounts. Hence it may seem new to you young fellers.

Now your UK punks in the seventies, they came together out of a mixed background of NY punk, UK glam and sixties US punk and UK sixties (mod) guitar bands (eg, The Who, Kinks et al). The latter providing a link to ska, hence its resurgance on the Two-Tone label. And punk has been more or less a continuum since, unlike ska, which seems to come and go.

The roots of reggae were firmly in ska. It started coming over to the UK in the seventies, and the heavy dub version got picked up by punks at their club gigs for a variety of reasons - availability of dub sound-systems against extreme paucity of punk records, the fact that it was cool and largely underground, and it was good chill out music in between the punk sets. Electronic music also started appearing at the gigs too, for much the same reasons.

But I know not of this emo of which you speak.

So there you go.

Then allow me to continue, I can fill you in on these parts...

Around 1979 the US hardcore scene was begining to seperate itself from the US punk scene, the most noticible difference was in the east coast scene, especially DC, hardcore came and started getting tired out but 1982-83, many of the DC bands broke up.

Influenced by Minnesota band Husker Du some members of DC bands began writings songs with more of a rock influence, with introspective lyrics but still intense like hardcore, this stuff came to be known as emocore (emotional hardcore).

These bands, like Rites of Spring, Embrace and Moss Icon started a style that is still around today with bands like Small Brown Bike (RIP) and Hot Water Music.

Around 1992 one style branched off of emocore, it was even more emotional, with less rock structured songs, more drawn out, epic songs, although they weren't particularily longer songs... The singers would scream and cry, the bands would often knock down much of their equipment from their thrashing around. This style was tagged emo, just emocore further shortened.

These bands, like Indian Summer and Chino Horde rarely lasted long, but greatly changed the style's future path.

Influenced by emo and a rebounding hardcore scene many bands formed around San Diego, playing stuff like emo, but with no quiet parts, just shear screaming emotion. These bands occassionally sung about politics, moving further from emo's introspective roots. Gravity Records was known for these bands, such as Heroin and the Swing Kids.

Around 1992 another major branch off from the style came with indie rock bands picking up an influence from pop-punk and emocore. These bands are the quiet, sad, acoustic bands, or the jangly, sad poppy sounding bands, like Sunny Dale Real Estate and The Julia Theory.

The most recent development in the family drew influence from all of the above styles and also sometimes from metal, this scene sprung up around NYC and New Jersey. It's usually called screamo, mostly by kids who weren't around when most 'emo' bands screamed. Bands in this style include Joshua Fit For Battle, Saetia, Hot Cross and Envy (from Japan!)

Then allow me to continue, I can fill you in on these parts...

Around 1979 the US hardcore scene was begining to seperate itself from the US punk scene, the most noticible difference was in the east coast scene, especially DC, hardcore came and started getting tired out but 1982-83, many of the DC bands broke up.

Influenced by Minnesota band Husker Du some members of DC bands began writings songs with more of a rock influence, with introspective lyrics but still intense like hardcore, this stuff came to be known as emocore (emotional hardcore).

These bands, like Rites of Spring, Embrace and Moss Icon started a style that is still around today with bands like Small Brown Bike (RIP) and Hot Water Music.

Around 1992 one style branched off of emocore, it was even more emotional, with less rock structured songs, more drawn out, epic songs, although they weren't particularily longer songs... The singers would scream and cry, the bands would often knock down much of their equipment from their thrashing around. This style was tagged emo, just emocore further shortened.

These bands, like Indian Summer and Chino Horde rarely lasted long, but greatly changed the style's future path.

Influenced by emo and a rebounding hardcore scene many bands formed around San Diego, playing stuff like emo, but with no quiet parts, just shear screaming emotion. These bands occassionally sung about politics, moving further from emo's introspective roots. Gravity Records was known for these bands, such as Heroin and the Swing Kids.

Around 1992 another major branch off from the style came with indie rock bands picking up an influence from pop-punk and emocore. These bands are the quiet, sad, acoustic bands, or the jangly, sad poppy sounding bands, like Sunny Dale Real Estate and The Julia Theory.

The most recent development in the family drew influence from all of the above styles and also sometimes from metal, this scene sprung up around NYC and New Jersey. It's usually called screamo, mostly by kids who weren't around when most 'emo' bands screamed. Bands in this style include Joshua Fit For Battle, Saetia, Hot Cross and Envy (from Japan!)
Interesting. Thanks.

I think some people here just dont know the difference between SKA and SKA PUNK. Ska is used as a term for ska punk even though it isnt the same thing. The context usually makes it clear. So i say to my housemate "I hate ska" i mean ska punk. I go to work and the guys there are listening to reggae and talking about ska and dub and its obvious which context they mean.

And ska (punk) makes me want to cry. Its wrong, its just too cheesey. If i want to be uplifted I stick some napalm death on. Or Iron maiden. I only like ska parts when Im really really drunk.

What little Emo I have heard, erm . . . I don't like it much

I must say...there's not just one kind of emo either. You have just normal Emo(Dashboard Confessional for example), then you have your Emo-Punk, and then you have your Emo-Core. I personally enjoy some Emo music. But usually I listen to some hardcore punk, or some screamo.

Okay, something of a non sequitor (sp?) but heres a really REALLY shit joke.

Q:How many Emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb?

A:Two. One to change the lightbulb, one to write a song about how good the old one was.

I must say...there's not just one kind of emo either. You have just normal Emo(Dashboard Confessional for example), then you have your Emo-Punk, and then you have your Emo-Core. I personally enjoy some Emo music. But usually I listen to some hardcore punk, or some screamo.

No?

Dashboard isn't emo, has nothing to do with emo.