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There is a point of view on Iraq that despite the flawed intelligence and whatnot that I find interesting, from a moral standpoint what was the difference between the mission to Kosovo and the War in Iraq; apart from the UN approval I can’t seem to find much difference. Is it simply the fact that many belive that there is now a war between the US and her allies and the people of the Muslim world? Or has the USA become a giant hypocrisy when Bush talks of freedom and self determination for the people of Iraq?

Halliburton got no-bid contracts to rebuild both countries. Despite the fact that it got the Kosovo contract under Clinton, someone who isn't a Cheney croney.

in both cases wasnt it removing a dictator from power who had been abusing and killing his own people?

Nothing; and that's why people who decry one and support the other are hypocrites.

More or less I think... maybe Saddam wasn't as bad when it came to ethnic cleansing of the Sunni's (Or wasn't as bad RECENTLY).

Btw, when's the last time America had to send in their forces to seriously help a non-muslim nation?

Btw, when's the last time America had to send in their forces to seriously help a non-muslim nation?
Liberia, Haiti, Phillipines

More or less I think... maybe Saddam wasn't as bad when it came to ethnic cleansing of the Sunni's (Or wasn't as bad RECENTLY).

Btw, when's the last time America had to send in their forces to seriously help a non-muslim nation?

Saddam is a Sunni, and he killed a shitload of Kurds in the north.

There is a point of view on Iraq that despite the flawed intelligence and whatnot that I find interesting, from a moral standpoint what was the difference between the mission to Kosovo and the War in Iraq; apart from the UN approval I can’t seem to find much difference. Is it simply the fact that many belive that there is now a war between the US and her allies and the people of the Muslim world? Or has the USA become a giant hypocrisy when Bush talks of freedom and self determination for the people of Iraq?


No silly, Iraq isnt the same as kosovo.

It is the same as Chechnya

Halliburton got no-bid contracts to rebuild both countries. Despite the fact that it got the Kosovo contract under Clinton, someone who isn't a Cheney croney.
Haliburton is one of few companies with the capabilities to take on a project that large. When the only name in the hat is yours, why bother drawing?

Difference: In Kosovo, we deposed Milosevic (sp?) because he was committing genocide.

In Iraq, we sold Saddam chemical weapons that he used against both Iran and the Kurds, and then waited fifteen years to depose him.

No they are not because as follows:

Kosovo;
Kosovo at the moment is recovering from it's war many years, like in some ways Iraq, but this the history of Kosovo

In the early 1970's kosovo the area was populated by Albanians and The Serbs. Albanians said that they were the original in habitants, but the Serbs said Kosovo was the heart of it's medieval kingdom during the middle ages. Then in 1974 A new Yugoslav constitution granted Kosovo Autonomy (but not independance). Between 1974-1989 the Albanians started to dominate the greater part of Kosovo, but then in 1989 the head of the Serbian Communist Party rose to power. The head of the party was named Slobodan Milosevic which is when he stripped Kosovo of it's autonomy, this move sparked a frantic war. In 1990 the war was still going on so NATO intervended.

Iraq;
This section is not as long as the kosovo bit but it still has fair detail. Iraq was controled for along time, but up until now Saddam Hussain. His rein started in the early 1960's and finished during the year of 2003. Saddam was a corrupt leader you would of got kicked the cap out of if you said something bad about him, but what set Iraq to be different than Kosovo was that Iraq was at war with ohter countries, where as Kosovo was a civil war!

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To say the west deposed Milosivic is a lie, he long after the bombing of then Yugoslavia due to the collaboration of the opposition party and the army. That the army would not fire on the protesters as they stormed the Presidential complex.

Liberia, Haiti, Phillipines

They only sent in about 50 Marines to Liberia to "protect the embassy", not to help stop the civil war.

The difference I can see is that the opressed in Iraq are now the insurgents we are fighting. Saddam hated religion and those are the people he killed and tortured under his regime. The reasons given for war were BS in both cases. I never believed Kosovo was purely humanitarian either. That had to do with Algeria being a candidate for NATO, which was being strained due to the millions of refugees. It was more of a politcal move than a humanitarian effort. So yes that much is similar.

Liberia, Haiti, Phillipines
What are you talking about in the Philipines? There ARE a large number of muslims there. Also we have a very bad record there dating back to the Spanish-American War. We killed 1 million philipino men and 1 million more died from disease they picked up while fighting or fleeing. You would have to be highly convoluted to see this event as a liberation of sorts.