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... is there actually anybody here who would be willing to dispute the fact the America went to the moon? I've done a lot of reading into the matter and I honestly cannot find anything to suggest that the Apollo missions were faked. The evidence used by hoax theorists is sooo astoundingly bizarre and very bad science.

Anyway, are there any hoax believers here? If so, why can't you just accept the fact that human foot prints are on the moon?

The evidence used by hoax theorists is sooo astoundingly bizarre and very bad science.


How so? I always thought the waving flag bit was interesting, though I never took much stock in such a conspiracy.

Especially that nasty thing of a reflector that shines a laser beam back to scientists that shouldn't be their if the landings were faked.

Especially that nasty thing of a reflector that shines a laser beam back to scientists that shouldn't be their if the landings were faked.

i agree i saw a tv show on it the other day (so im an expert, yea right) those wackos got so burnt

Especially that nasty thing of a reflector that shines a laser beam back to scientists that shouldn't be their if the landings were faked.

Ah, but you are deliberately ignoring the fact that the 1969 moon landings were faked, but were faked in order to conceal the real truth - that US/USSR co-operation had managed to establish a manned Mars base as early as 1962. It is not the fact that man has never stepped on the moon that is in question, but whether the Apollo landing was the first.

i agree i saw a tv show on it the other day (so im an expert, yea right) those wackos got so burnt

So you are thus claiming that all the unmanned probes and landers sent to the surface of both Mars and the Moon were also faked? otherwise explain to me how having a man-made artifact on the Moon proves that the Apollo (manned) landings weren't faked.

How so? I always thought the waving flag bit was interesting, though I never took much stock in such a conspiracy.

A flag can wave in a vacuum. If you look at the footage, the astronauts are shaking the pole to get it into the ground so of course it would have been waving. Furthermore, the poles were quite flimsy and springy.

All of the hoax evidence I have seen is so easily debunked. The 'no stars' argument is especially stupid. Because you don't see any stars in any of the pictures taken by the astronauts the landings therefore must have been faked.

Riiight. Anyone with a basic understanding of photography can figure that one out.

I'm curious what your evidence is, Bodies Without Organs. If you can give me some kind of reasonable evidence, I'll listen. However, as it stands, I have trouble believing you.

Ah, but you are deliberately ignoring the fact that the 1969 moon landings were faked, but were faked in order to conceal the real truth - that US/USSR co-operation had managed to establish a manned Mars base as early as 1962. It is not the fact that man has never stepped on the moon that is in question, but whether the Apollo landing was the first.

this is what u sound like to me

Ah, but you are deliberately ignoring the fact that I must be deluded because I think the 1969 moon landings were faked umm, but I think they were umm faked in order to conceal the real truth - that US/USSR co-operation during the cold war had managed to establish a manned Mars base as early as 1962 without anyone noticing. It is not the fact that man has never stepped on the moon that is in question, but whether I know what I am talking about.

a manned mars base... wow you are deluded
if the US had even gotten to the moon we would be celebrating and we would find out without being told if they didn't tell us, our media is so devious they can find out about ANYTHING if there was a conspiracy the media would have let us know by now :rolleyes:

Ah, but you are deliberately ignoring the fact that the 1969 moon landings were faked, but were faked in order to conceal the real truth - that US/USSR co-operation had managed to establish a manned Mars base as early as 1962. It is not the fact that man has never stepped on the moon that is in question, but whether the Apollo landing was the first.
i thoguht that was the nazis

I'm curious what your evidence is, Bodies Without Organs. If you can give me some kind of reasonable evidence, I'll listen. However, as it stands, I have trouble believing you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_3

Ah, but you are deliberately ignoring the fact that I must be deluded because I think the 1969 moon landings were faked umm, but I think they were umm faked in order to conceal the real truth - that US/ USSR co-operation during the cold war had managed to establish a manned Mars base as early as 1962 without anyone noticing. It is not the fact that man has never stepped on the moon that is in question, but whether I know what I am talking about.

one of the reasons I appear so stilted is because the 'o' key isn't working right now and so I have to cut and paste it in every few letters with the CTRL-V command.

So you are thus claiming that all the unmanned probes and landers sent to the surface of both Mars and the Moon were also faked? otherwise explain to me how having a man-made artifact on the Moon proves that the Apollo (manned) landings weren't faked.

I suppose that is a valid point. However it was probably easier to send men to set up those experiments than an unmanned probe...

What sums it up for me though, is that during the Apollo 11 mission a number of radio receiving facilities around the world (most notably Parkes Radio Telescope in Australia, which received the first television transmissions) were being used. The technicians and operating them would have known if the transmissions weren't coming from the moon.

In order for the hoax to work, a number of people outside NASA possibly would have had to have been in on it.

And I really doubt it would have been that easy to contain...

this is what u sound like to me



a manned mars base... wow you are deluded
if the US had even gotten to the moon we would be celebrating and we would find out without being told if they didn't tell us, our media is so devious they can find out about ANYTHING if there was a conspiracy the media would have let us know by now :rolleyes:

He's serious? I was so sure he was joking...

Guys, seriously, have you heard of sarcasm? Have you heard of humor in general? If you answered yes to either of these questions, why are you taking Bodies Without Organs post about the Mars Colony seriously?

fact-The Apollo project cost 25 billion dollars. that money is gone. a Saturn V rocket did launch. millions of people watched it occur. the scientific aspects of the moon landing can be debated to death, but it is simply impossible for it to have been faked. the government would need to bribe literally hundreds of thousands of people to fake such a vast undertaking. it would be impossible. with the comparatively small number of personnel working at area 51 some have tried to go public already. if the vast number of designers, engineers, technicians, and crewmen worked on a project that spanned several years with its share of failures and the loss of five crewmen in Apollo 1, it is not imaginably possible that there would not be en mass confession, not by our lunatic conspiracy theorists but actual project members, to the fact that this event did not occur. in america, the most democratic and hence leakiest in terms of security country in the world, it would take an act of god to keep the mouths of hundreds of thousands of informed people shut, especially when lives were lost in the process. even the soviet union in all its absolutism couldnt hide such an occurence if it did occur.

Guys, seriously, have you heard of sarcasm? Have you heard of humor in general? If you answered yes to either of these questions, why are you taking Bodies Without Organs post about the Mars Colony seriously?

Give that man a cigar.

I suppose that is a valid point. However it was probably easier to send men to set up those experiments than an unmanned probe...

Are we then to conclude that the Viking and Mariner probes were in fact manned vessels? - the same reasoning should hold here.

lmao @ Alternative 3. The British make good humour.

Are we then to conclude that the Viking and Mariner probes were in fact manned vessels? - the same reasoning should hold here.

Yes, of course. I thought you had actually watched Alternative 3, gee…

lmao @ Alternative 3. The British make good humour.

http://www.thule.org/brains/aroundtheconspiracy.html

Downloadable in reasonably sized chunks from the link above - the pictures only change about once every two or three seconds, but all the soundtrack is there, and it is watchable. If anything it just becomes even stranger and actually somewhat unsettling the way it works as a kind of slideshow - it feels like a smuggled out copy of a surppressed film.

Yes, of course. I thought you had actually watched Alternative 3, gee…

Yes, I have, but the unmanned probes on Mars & Venus show that the reflector isn't _in_ _itself_ sufficient proof for the veracity of the Apollo landings.

AFTERTHoUGHT - the mirror could even be an alien artifact revealed by seismic activity on the moon, if we want to get really conspiratorial...

*Stepping back into the real world.*

Are we then to conclude that the Viking and Mariner probes were in fact manned vessels? - the same reasoning should hold here.

No. Not at all. First of all the Mariners were fly-bys, they didn't actually land on the surface. I am talking about successfully landing unmanned probes on an alien surface - it's not easy, and most of the Mars attempts have ended miserably.

I'm just saying that given the technology then, it may (this is just an observation) have been easier to send men.

Yes, I have, but the unmanned probes on Mars & Venus show that the reflector isn't _in_ _itself_ sufficient proof for the veracity of the Apollo landings.

Agreed.

*Stepping back into the real world.*



No. Not at all. First of all the Mariners were fly-bys, they didn't actually land on the surface. I am talking about successfully landing unmanned probes on an alien surface - it's not easy, and most of the Mars attempts have ended miserably.

I'm just saying that given the technology then, it may (this is just an observation) have been easier to send men.

Yeah, sorry - I think I was refering to the Pioneer probes. My mistake.

I know that such reputable (ewww) stations like FOX have flogged their “documentaries” about the Moon landings being faked, but it just ain’t so. They do provide some compelling theories and ideas that only make sense from a terrestrial viewpoint. The reason why things worked in the Moon landings and there have been so many problems with Mars is budget and redundancy. The Moon mission had quadruple system backups because they had the cash and they didn’t want to screw up. The Mars unmanned probes have been built on the cheap, with little or no redundancy, so when things go wrong they just go wrong barring a miracle. For the best information on rebuffing the fiction about faking the Moon landings:

Badastronomy.com

It’s a great site, definitely worth taking in for anyone interested in astronomy, how the movies deals with astronomy, and the many misunderstandings we share about astronomy.

*besides we all know it was to cover up some super-villain’s base on the Moon*

The World is a bowl of Granola ... what isn't nuts & fruits are flakes

I watched the moon landing live on T.V. at an Aerospace engineering facility as it happened. I also have 3 family members who worked in the aerospace industry until they retired. I watched them work towards that goal, I watched them revel in the glory of completing that goal, and I watched it all happen up close and live over several years culminating in the actual landing. I have also seen the whack-jobs on the internet with their whacked out websites full of recreations, photoshopped pics, and edited videos. I also have a 1969 edition of National Geographic commemorating the moon landing with some of the same moon-landing photos in the magazine as found on the net 'conspiracy' sites (it also has the original vinyl 78rpm record album still attached inside of the Apollo communications... :cool: ), and they're not the same. The net pics are photoshopped bigtime... blah blah blah.

Post a thread starter about the JFK assassination conspiracy if you want to talk about a legitimate topic.

Wow, no one here has mentioned Phil Plait's page on the issue?

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

My father worked on Gemini, Mercury and Apollo. He worked in navigation and guidance for a government contractor and was in Houston during every Apollo launch. He was even called back after 13 went sour. I find it highly implausible so think this was all fake.
However there is one thing that really bugs me about the space program in the 60's. All of the guys in charge at Mission Control were VERY YOUNG guys. Probably average age 25, a lot of them right out of college. I would have thought there would be people with more experience as engineers/physists, etc. working on such an important project.
My Dad got a lot of NASA memorabilia from those years. Trajectory charts, photo slides, Pre-flight checklists, etc. Pretty neat stuff.
Ah, but you are deliberately ignoring the fact that the 1969 moon landings were faked, but were faked in order to conceal the real truth - that US/USSR co-operation had managed to establish a manned Mars base as early as 1962. It is not the fact that man has never stepped on the moon that is in question, but whether the Apollo landing was the first.
"establish a manned Mars base"? Pfffft.
I think the real secret is that we CAME from Mars. It certainly would explain a lot. We are the Martians!
if there was a conspiracy the media would have let us know by now
You don't really believe that do you?
:rolleyes:
i thoguht that was the nazis
No silly, the nazis were working on time travel. Big difference.
The World is a bowl of Granola ... what isn't nuts & fruits are flakes
Perfect!

the flag looks like it is waving because there are wires holding it in that position.

Bodies Without Organs
Ah, but you are deliberately ignoring the fact that the 1969 moon landings were faked, but were faked in order to conceal the real truth - that US/USSR co-operation had managed to establish a manned Mars base as early as 1962. It is not the fact that man has never stepped on the moon that is in question, but whether the Apollo landing was the first.


"establish a manned Mars base"? Pfffft.

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

I think the real secret is that we CAME from Mars. It certainly would explain a lot. We are the Martians!


So, am I to take it that you reject the panspermia theory?

No silly, the nazis were working on time travel. Big difference.

No, they were the ones flying UFOs in and out of the hollow earth using the wholes located near the North and South pole as observed by Admiral Byrd in his 1926 flight.

Years from now we will find out the real truth, that Vikings from Norway discovered the moon long before the age of Armstrong. They sent longboats out to space to find booty to plunder. When they reached the shores of the moon, Luke Swederson and his crew found an alien culture which they set out to pillage from. Years later they left the moon in rubble to search for other places to loot.

My friend and I are actually thinking about writing a book about this.

I voted no for all the apollo landings in general but I beleive the first (The armstrong one) was faked. It wasn't that they couldn't land on the moon, they were on the right track and by the time the second apollo mission went to the moon they could. The first one was faked because the Americans were desperate to beat the Russians to the moon.

... is there actually anybody here who would be willing to dispute the fact the America went to the moon? I've done a lot of reading into the matter and I honestly cannot find anything to suggest that the Apollo missions were faked. The evidence used by hoax theorists is sooo astoundingly bizarre and very bad science.

Anyway, are there any hoax believers here? If so, why can't you just accept the fact that human foot prints are on the moon?

I've never met a rational "unit" who thought we faked the moon landing (twice, and retrieved items from the first 'fake' landing). US government (unionized) employees are not capable of keeping secrets. They even "leak" total lies.

The landings were real, but on the day Nasa accidentaly broadcast their 'fake landing' footage - made incase anything went wrong. Thus everbody saw the fake film and not the real one - which has angels in it.

1. Americans did indeed land on the moon.
2. The footage shown to the world was partially or fully faked, leading conspiracy theorists to believe that the landings never happened.

Seriously, it was standard practise during the space race to film something happening before or after it actually happened, so you could control the content - filter out everything that goes wrong, hide all the important secret stuff, make it look more romantic and poetic. The USSR realeased footage of Yuri Gagarin's flight (the first man in space) that was actually shot a week after the fact. I'm 99% sure that the US did the same thing with the moon landing scene - if you don't believe me, take a look at the footage yourself, even a child could notice 100 things wrong with it.

Did this thread spawn from the one about conspiracies? I liked Los Banditos post best so far. Vikings are cool! HOO-RAY VIKINGS! and nice blondes in saunas.

The question isn't if we landed on the moon. The question should be why haven't we gone back? MONEY BE DAMNED! GET ME OFF THIS ROCK!!! :p

Hell, I'm on Mars right now.

We'd have no reason to fake the moon landings. None whatsoever. In fact, did you know that Nixon had a speech for if something were to go wrong and Armstrong and Aldrin were to die on the moon? It's true. And it is decidedly the most eloquent seeming of Nixon's speeches. After the Columbia accident our local newspaper printed it, just to remind us of the past. I still have it around here somewhere.

We'd have no reason to fake the moon landings. None whatsoever. In fact, did you know that Nixon had a speech for if something were to go wrong and Armstrong and Aldrin were to die on the moon? It's true. And it is decidedly the most eloquent seeming of Nixon's speeches. After the Columbia accident our local newspaper printed it, just to remind us of the past. I still have it around here somewhere.

Here: http://www.watergate.info/nixon/moon-disaster-speech-1969.shtml

How Do U Explain Teh Moon Rockz0rz !!!!!one1111~~~!!tilde!!!!!!!!

How Do U Explain Teh Moon Rockz0rz !!!!!one1111~~~!!tilde!!!!!!!!
OMG NOEZ th3y spr4y painted teh sand gray!!!!

seriously tho, there was an unmanned mission to the moon in the past few years, they took a pic which clearly showed one of the apollo landing zones, as well as part of the lander (the part thats left behind on liftoff)

Hell, I'm on Mars right now.

Me too. My companions turned into zombies and I had to kill them all with a chainsaw. Now I can't find my damn flashlight.
How are you holding up?

Me too. My companions turned into zombies and I had to kill them all with a chainsaw. Now I can't find my damn flashlight.
How are you holding up?
Eh, I had a slight problem with brain sucking aliens, but they got into my accounting ethics staff first, so they starved to death.

... is there actually anybody here who would be willing to dispute the fact the America went to the moon? I've done a lot of reading into the matter and I honestly cannot find anything to suggest that the Apollo missions were faked. The evidence used by hoax theorists is sooo astoundingly bizarre and very bad science.

Anyway, are there any hoax believers here? If so, why can't you just accept the fact that human foot prints are on the moon?

What is your point? We went there, TWICE. Who cares if KooL-Aiders are still in Guiana.

Eh, I had a slight problem with brain sucking aliens, but they got into my accounting ethics staff first, so they starved to death.

Sorry, I guess these units are still in Guiana.

Me too. My companions turned into zombies and I had to kill them all with a chainsaw. Now I can't find my damn flashlight.
How are you holding up?

Here's another numbo.

Doubt they were fake. The world is just jelous that we got there before they
did!

Hell, I'm on Mars right now.

Stay there, please (per Henny Youngman).

Doubt they were fake. The world is just jelous that we got there before they
did!

I hope you voted for Kerry.

Stay there, please (per Henny Youngman).
Why go back to nasty ol' earth? When we invaded we got almost the entire martian infrastructure. Vacations are really nice here as well. The environment is clean, and the people are friendly. Plus the drinking age is 15. And the female:male population if 10:1.

I believe for the most part, but saw one show on TV that showed 2 different shots from moon landings that were meant to be hundreds of miles apart and EVERYTHING (even smallsih rocks on the floor) lined upas they played one over the other. It is the only evidence I've never seen refuted and if anyone here can refute then I guess I can rest easier.
That said its hard to explain if you haven't seen it.

... is there actually anybody here who would be willing to dispute the fact the America went to the moon? I've done a lot of reading into the matter and I honestly cannot find anything to suggest that the Apollo missions were faked. The evidence used by hoax theorists is sooo astoundingly bizarre and very bad science.

Anyway, are there any hoax believers here? If so, why can't you just accept the fact that human foot prints are on the moon?

Here's the topic. Where are the libMuds.

I believe for the most part, but saw one show on TV that showed 2 different shots from moon landings that were meant to be hundreds of miles apart and EVERYTHING (even smallsih rocks on the floor) lined upas they played one over the other. It is the only evidence I've never seen refuted and if anyone here can refute then I guess I can rest easier.
That said its hard to explain if you haven't seen it.
chance.

Have any of you "consipracy" believers even read this website?
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
It has already been posted once on this thread, however I am going to point out that any argument that the hoax believers have is refuted on the website, check it out. MAN LANDED ON THE MOON IN 1969, get over it already.

What is your point? We went there, TWICE. Who cares if KooL-Aiders are still in Guiana.

Actually, we went seven times. Apollo 11, 12, 14-17.

Viking longships landed on the moon long before Americans even existed, let alone went there.

The Moon landings were real. After all I'd say that if it was faked the government did a terrible job of hiding it... And it's possible that the 2 areas that were the same were similar. If your in the desert here on earth its just dunes as far as you can see. I think the areas were similar looking no conspericy about it.

Of course the landings were faked because Moon is widely known to be made of cheese! And because cheese melts if you point a very hot flame to it you would go right through it instead of landing on it, thus landings are faked.

Viking longships landed on the moon long before Americans even existed, let alone went there.

See, someone agrees with me.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html