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War on Iran will it happen?

Nerotika
20-11-2004, 01:16
Bush has decalred Iran to have nuclear weapons does this mean were going after them now? If so what will happen will there really be a World War 3?
Interesting Slums
20-11-2004, 01:24
Bush has decalred Iran to have nuclear weapons does this mean were going after them now? If so what will happen will there really be a World War 3?

Bush will do something stupid, he will attack Iran to redirect media attention.
Then hopefully the U.N will finally get round to do something to stop him.
And WWIII wont happen because no one can afford it to, how will the multi-national corporations control our thinking if we are all dead?
I dont think god would be too keen for them to set up in heaven, esp as it will have to be run from hell (where all the CEO's will be)
Eutrusca
20-11-2004, 01:28
Bush will do something stupid, he will attack Iran to redirect media attention.
Then hopefully the U.N will finally get round to do something to stop him.
And WWIII wont happen because no one can afford it to, how will the multi-national corporations control our thinking if we are all dead?
I dont think god would be too keen for them to set up in heaven, esp as it will have to be run from hell (where all the CEO's will be)

You really should get some professional help for all that paranoia you display.
Nerotika
20-11-2004, 01:29
Ok I see your point. But if we do attack Iran (Which by now i think we will) Then wont other country's alternatly go agenst us in fear we might go after them with claims they have nukes or WOMD's. (Even though our county is like 3 counties army's put together lol)
Larix
20-11-2004, 01:31
[QUOTE=Interesting Slums]Bush will do something stupid, he will attack Iran to redirect media attention.
Then hopefully the U.N will finally get round to do something to stop him.
QUOTE]

The UN doesn't have the power to stop the US and if they tried, economically they'd slit their own throats.(By that I mean passing resolutions and sanctions)
Interesting Slums
20-11-2004, 01:35
You really should get some professional help for all that paranoia you display.

I tried, but all they would offer me was a straight jacket and a padded cell.
:p
The Roman Society
20-11-2004, 01:36
I hope he does try going in there. Ha!
Smeagol-Gollum
20-11-2004, 01:37
This the same Bush that declared that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Any assertion about what Iran may or may not have should be viewed with suspicion with a track record like Bush's.

And if Iran does in fact have nuclear weapons, why does that in turn mean that they should be invaded.

Israel most certainly does have nuclear weapons - should they be invaded? Or France, or Pakistan, or India, or the U.K., or China? Russia perhaps?

If the possession of nuclear weapons by a nation means that that nation should be invaded, then who should invade the U.S.A - which has the most weapons of mass destruction - i.e. chemical and biological agents as well as nuclear weapons.

Or are there some weapons which are "good" and some "bad" - or some nations which are "good" or "bad" - and if so who decides?
Nerotika
20-11-2004, 01:40
Israel most certainly does have nuclear weapons - should they be invaded? Or France, or Pakistan, or India, or the U.K., or China? Russia perhaps?

We havn`t got that far in our plans yet but dont worry we'll be there soon ;) LOL :p
The Roman Society
20-11-2004, 01:41
Once the USA goes after Iran, then it will mark the beginning of the end as far as i'm concerned.
Nierez
20-11-2004, 01:41
If the possession of nuclear weapons by a nation means that that nation should be invaded, then who should invade the U.S.A - which has the most weapons of mass destruction - i.e. chemical and biological agents as well as nuclear weapons.
^^
Exactly.
America is such a bloody hypocrite. Practice what you preach ffs.
Interesting Slums
20-11-2004, 01:42
On a side note, There hasn't been much on Russia "new" nuke.
It mite be good enuf to kill all of us.
Joy to all these countries finding the most efficient way to kill millions of people. Certainly helps me sleep at night
Nerotika
20-11-2004, 01:44
:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:
:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

Hell we'll all dier eventually so why not go out with a bang. A few nukes here a few wars there and BOOM world goes bye bye LOL
Interesting Slums
20-11-2004, 01:48
Altho it would be cool to be a mutant with 3 heads and big ass claws.
but ur more likely just to go bald and get cancer :(
Nerotika
20-11-2004, 01:49
what?
Nerotika
20-11-2004, 02:02
hello were did everyone go lol
Legit Business
20-11-2004, 02:13
hello were did everyone go lol

They went to join up and fight Iran
Nerotika
20-11-2004, 02:18
lol thats what i`ll be doing soon taking shots in a random war campaing
:sniper: :sniper: :sniper:
:mp5: :mp5: :mp5:
Legit Business
20-11-2004, 02:25
lol thats what i`ll be doing soon taking shots in a random war campaing
:sniper: :sniper: :sniper:
:mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

What with that bad haircut they give you, what a battlefield fashion crime
Fruity Loops
20-11-2004, 02:26
Heh, If Bush declares war on Iran im outta this country... I dont like having to read the drills 'In the event of a nuclear attack hide under your desk and do not look at the flash' because i wont see it... Ill be dead the second it would hit..wait..thats a bit outdated...well my city has no bomb shelters...so im dead either way..weeee
Nerotika
20-11-2004, 02:28
lol well its gunna be hard to avoid the war cause Bush is believed to be trying to open the draft WHAT A b17<|-| lol 1337 talk
Legit Business
20-11-2004, 02:29
Heh, If Bush declares war on Iran im outta this country... I dont like having to read the drills 'In the event of a nuclear attack hide under your desk and do not look at the flash' because i wont see it... Ill be dead the second it would hit..wait..thats a bit outdated...well my city has no bomb shelters...so im dead either way..weeee

dig a hole in your back yard, that was the plan the Russians hand during the cold war. Im not too sure its the best though. Move to New Zealand.
Fruity Loops
20-11-2004, 02:42
dig a hole in your back yard, that was the plan the Russians hand during the cold war. Im not too sure its the best though. Move to New Zealand.
nah ill move to malta
Infinacy
20-11-2004, 02:46
See I would state a arguement here but your all just being premature and mindless " well he can just say there is a wmd in my house and he'll declare war on me "

C'mon be serious.

Iran has had nuclear capabilities, we know ( has to look it up again ) cuz partly the UN and Iran banning UN inspectors and the whole they hate Iraq to the point they will nuke.

And we won't attack them, they'll attack Iraq regardless were there or not some dandy nice day and will lead to even bigger things.

Now I am not going to put in my major opinion cuz I don't wanna argue with immature adults and kids all thinking this or that with at solid proof. I also neglected to read your posts after seeing the opening post.

Anyways, don't bother pming you with your pms of mass hate cuz I posted this, otherwise if you do well I hope you have fun sending them to a garbage bin.
Legit Business
20-11-2004, 02:50
See I would state a arguement here but your all just being premature and mindless " well he can just say there is a wmd in my house and he'll declare war on me "

C'mon be serious.

Iran has had nuclear capabilities, we know ( has to look it up again ) cuz partly the UN and Iran banning UN inspectors and the whole they hate Iraq to the point they will nuke.

And we won't attack them, they'll attack Iraq regardless were there or not some dandy nice day and will lead to even bigger things.

Now I am not going to put in my major opinion cuz I don't wanna argue with immature adults and kids all thinking this or that with at solid proof. I also neglected to read your posts after seeing the opening post.

Anyways, don't bother pming you with your pms of mass hate cuz I posted this, otherwise if you do well I hope you have fun sending them to a garbage bin.

wow tough crowd, your no Jay Lenno
Infinacy
20-11-2004, 02:51
Secondly:

What 3rd world country with a army the size of a pea pod compared to the American Marines would even want to nuke any place in America. Even if they would and could nuke us, they have nukes but how will they launch them? They would have to be closer cuz I doubt they can build ICBM Nukes. And it is like:

OMGZ0RZZZ I'M SCARED AND THINK WERE ALL GOING TO GET NUKED CUZ OF A TINY COUNTRY NAMED IRAN HAS NUKES AND SINCE THEY DON'T LIKE AMERICA THERE GOING TO UNLOAD ON US. Be real people.

Nuking a country like the US would need money, heavy ass fucking support to make sure like the UK or Germany or France nukes there ass, the right missles and a good range and good plan.....

It is just impossibly fucking retarded ok.

And your a fucking pussy to think your City which is so unfortunate to important citys like DC will get nuked.

-_-

oh well gonna stop before I bring upon more of my wrathfulness
Infinacy
20-11-2004, 02:53
If you notice I don't use ; often so when I said UN and Iran banning UN inspectors....I meant the UN;
Smeagol-Gollum
20-11-2004, 02:55
We havn`t got that far in our plans yet but dont worry we'll be there soon ;) LOL :p

Thank you.

It is precisely that American combination of ignorance, arrogance, and refusal to face the real issues which so many find so offensive.

My thanks for providing a wonderful example of the Ugly American.
The Class A Cows
20-11-2004, 02:56
Bush has decalred Iran to have nuclear weapons does this mean were going after them now? If so what will happen will there really be a World War 3?

No. Iran wont be attacked, and their strength will grow. US, Chinese, and European negotiations will eventually curb them slightly, but they will be a pain in the rear of Europe and Isreal for decades to come. The US will not do much more that they already have to intervene. There is nothing in it for the US and Bush knows this. In fact, forcing Europe to militarize will help to quell their unbalanced trade and exploitative commerce, and improve domestic situations slightly in the US. The Middle East will enter a cold war of sorts, much like whats happening in Far East Asia right now, and either Isreal or the rest of the nuclear armed arab nations (im sure there will be more) will spend beyond their means and begin to cease propaganda efforts and open up trade and diplomacy (if Arabs) or appease minority special interest groups (if Isrealis) to some degree, which may help promote a decline in hostilities, and perhaps even peace. This may take many decades.

The US is no longer able to act as a police power, and will likely grow more and more isolationist, likely lessening its alleviation of European and Korean defense burdens, which will likely aid in GNP growth. The emerging markets will accordingly correct themselves as well, which could be considered a normalization of sorts. Hopefully Clinton will assist here.
Legit Business
20-11-2004, 02:57
Taking the money aspect into it isnt the danger then of them passing a bomb to terrorists and them using it on the USA
Allemonde
20-11-2004, 03:20
Altho it would be cool to be a mutant with 3 heads and big ass claws.
but ur more likely just to go bald and get cancer :(
Lol I'm going to move to the Australian outback to start a biker gang that goes around raping and pillaging the locals.

Seroiusly I wonder when Bush will piss of the rest of his allies and do something really stupid like piss off China or Russia. Russia is becoming more and more like what it was in the past. Putin is making himself more towards the dictator of Russia. Russia has a large number of nukes and some pretty nasty biological weapons. China is developing missles that would probaly reach Toyko or possibly Hawaii and if it gets long range missles maybe the west coast. So yes I wonder if there wil be any future.
Daistallia 2104
20-11-2004, 03:30
The US won't have to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. Israel will be taking them out, with the help of the 500 BLU-109 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/blu-109.htm) bunker-buster bombs we are selling them (http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/200410623.asp).

They hit Iraq's weapons program at Osirak in 1981.
Heck Hell
20-11-2004, 03:35
would make a good public poll.
Daistallia 2104
20-11-2004, 03:39
China is developing missles that would probaly reach Toyko or possibly Hawaii and if it gets long range missles maybe the west coast. So yes I wonder if there wil be any future.

Um, are you living in the 60's?
The PLA has been able to hit the western US for over 30 years. The DF-5 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/china/df-5.htm) in 1971.
When the DF-5 was first tested in September 1971, it had a range of 10,000 to 12,000 kms which allowed it to threaten the western portions of the United States.

They have also had SLBMs able to hit the US since the mid-80s.
Green israel
20-11-2004, 11:17
This the same Bush that declared that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Any assertion about what Iran may or may not have should be viewed with suspicion with a track record like Bush's.

And if Iran does in fact have nuclear weapons, why does that in turn mean that they should be invaded.

Israel most certainly does have nuclear weapons - should they be invaded? Or France, or Pakistan, or India, or the U.K., or China? Russia perhaps?

If the possession of nuclear weapons by a nation means that that nation should be invaded, then who should invade the U.S.A - which has the most weapons of mass destruction - i.e. chemical and biological agents as well as nuclear weapons.

Or are there some weapons which are "good" and some "bad" - or some nations which are "good" or "bad" - and if so who decides?
mass destruction weaponary is really not the only reason to attack iran.
iran has radical islamic dictatorship.
iran support the terror and connected to al-qaida.
iran endangre her neighbours.

I think that more reasons than the reasons for the war against iraq, and that before we talk on the mass destruction weapons that she had.
Evil Woody Thoughts
20-11-2004, 11:49
Five minutes after the next terrorist attack, Bu$h will somehow *know* that Iran did it. I can just imagine his address to the nation now:

It i$ with great regret that I have to inform the citizen$ of 'Murika and furriner$ abroad that Iran ha$ attacked *insert target here.* This call$ for a new, broader $trategery on the war on terra.

We mu$t $moke terra-ist$ out of their cave$, wherever they are. Thi$ mean$ that the United $tate$ of 'Murika mu$t i$$ue an ultimatum to Iran--either n00k your$elve$ and remove your infidel, terra-ist way$ from the civilized world, or the United $tate$ will invade and kill anyone we don't like, 'cau$e I'm a cowboy!!!111!!!

The war on terra will require more $acrifice$ from the citizen$ of 'Murika. We mu$t find the terra-ist infiltrator$ in our country before they can attack u$ again. To do thi$, we need every law enforcement power po$$ible, and we mu$t repeal the Bill of Right$ if we expect to be able to catch terra-i$t$. I am propo$ing a PATRIOT Act II to the United $tate$ Congre$$, and KKKarl Rove will per$onally $hoot any Congressman or Congresswimmin who vote$ again$t it. I am al$o declaring myself Pretzeldint-for-Life. Anyone who di$agree$ will be $ent to Gitmo or Abu Ghraib, never to be $een again.

Furthermore, rendering God'$ justice to Iran will require more men and wimmin than the U$ military currently ha$. Therefore, included in the PATRIOT Act II is a draft. There will be no deferment$ for any rea$on unless you are Chri$tian clergy or in a Chri$tian divinity $chool. Con$cientiou$ objector$, gay$, and tho$e medically unfit to $erve will either be $hot or di$$appeared. I have faith that all true 'Murikan$ under$tand the $acrifices nece$$ary to fight and win the war on terra and enrich my cronie$' bottom line$.

The Iranian terra-i$t$ have greatly mi$undere$timated 'Murikan re$olve. At lea$t, that'$ the rumor on the internet$.

May terra-i$t$ burn in Hell, may God ble$$ true, patriotic 'Murikan$, and good night.

Welcome to the U$A when the most unaccountable pretzeldint in the history of this nation doesn't have to worry about reelection or impeachment (thanks Tom DeLay and fellow corrupt cronies in Congress).
British Communists
20-11-2004, 12:18
mass destruction weaponary is really not the only reason to attack iran.
iran has radical islamic dictatorship.
iran support the terror and connected to al-qaida.
iran endangre her neighbours.

I think that more reasons than the reasons for the war against iraq, and that before we talk on the mass destruction weapons that she had.

America has a radical christian adminstration - who are you to decide what's better?
There's absolutely zero solid proof of that, remember you thought Iraq had WMD and supported terror? Well guess what, they don't.
America endangers the whole world.
OceanDrive
20-11-2004, 12:23
mass destruction weaponary is really not the only reason to attack iran.....Maybe the real reason why we are going into another quagmire is...Israel.

We had more peace before Israel was created.
ZaKommia
20-11-2004, 12:31
Maybe the real reason why we are going into another quagmire is...Israel.

We had more peace before Israel was created.

yap yap, 1900-1948 were the most peaceful years in the history of the world.
Before that, Imperialism made the world an excellent place to live in.
That was such an intelligent post.
Matalatataka
20-11-2004, 13:11
The neo-cons will only go to war with countries that actually don't have nuclear weapons or other WMD (unless the previous/current administartions sold such materials to them). So if Iran actually has developed or obtained a nuke then they're safe - just like N Korea. China and Russia have lots of WMD and look at how our leaders treat them. Central/South America do not and they have been US military and corporate playgrounds for decades now, along with plenty of other mostly inoffensive places in the world.

Iran may have a radical Islamic dictatorship, but their youth have been corrupted by American capitailism and are clamoring for democracy. And I doubt Iran indangres its neighbors much more than Israeli occupation endangers Palestinians and Israelis (not to mention Egyptians).
Green israel
20-11-2004, 13:16
America has a radical christian adminstration - who are you to decide what's better?
There's absolutely zero solid proof of that, remember you thought Iraq had WMD and supported terror? Well guess what, they don't.
America endangers the whole world.
well you guess what, I was against the war in iraq. I was for war in Iran or Sirya, despite that.

and in the case of Iran: they are had all that things.
this is the reason why they not let the UN search their nuclear weapons labs. and reserches in swizerland for example, will show you that all the terror organizations had bank despoits, and they get money from Iran and saudia.
also, I'm not the one who need to say if radical christian "democracy" is better or not, than radical islamic dictatorship. but if you listen to bush sometimes, you see that now this is only reason for the war at iraq, and he always can use it again.
Green israel
20-11-2004, 13:21
And I doubt Iran indangres its neighbors much more than Israeli occupation endangers Palestinians and Israelis (not to mention Egyptians).
Israel not endangre her neighbours- her neighbours endangre Israel.
if you just check the past actions, you see that israel gave and accept to give for peace, more than all the arabs state together.
Matalatataka
20-11-2004, 13:25
It's great to piss off people who cant speel :D
LeftExtremistDemocracy
20-11-2004, 13:39
I was talking to a friend of mine from iran and he said he would be all in favor that the US daclares war on iran because the very first thing that would happen is a revolution because everybody is very unhappy about the political situation and that everybody is waiting for revolution but nobody dares to start one yet
Nerotika
20-11-2004, 18:53
whoa i should be paying attention to this thread last i checked I was on page 2 lol anyway. I dont have much to say right now but yeah LOL
Stoutsbury
20-11-2004, 19:18
No we won't attack Iran. We don't have enough troops and I'm sure Bush is in no hurry to start up the draft. If anything, we would most likely bomb them.
Incertonia
20-11-2004, 19:25
If we don't have a war with Iran, it won't be because we lack the military numbers to do so, or the desire to do so, or because of Iran's possession of nuclear weapons--it'll be because China now has their back.

Not long ago, China signed a deal with Iran where Iran becomes China's largest foreign supplier of oil, and in return, China essentially guarantees Iran's security. In schoolyard terms, that means that China and Iran are cousins now, and if you fight one, you fight the other one. Bush may be dumb enough to think that we can take China without using nukes, but the military people don't think so, and they'll make sure it doesn't happen.
Stoutsbury
20-11-2004, 22:22
If we don't have a war with Iran, it won't be because we lack the military numbers to do so, or the desire to do so, or because of Iran's possession of nuclear weapons--it'll be because China now has their back.

Not long ago, China signed a deal with Iran where Iran becomes China's largest foreign supplier of oil, and in return, China essentially guarantees Iran's security. In schoolyard terms, that means that China and Iran are cousins now, and if you fight one, you fight the other one. Bush may be dumb enough to think that we can take China without using nukes, but the military people don't think so, and they'll make sure it doesn't happen.

What are you 12?

We're not going to fight China nor Iran.
Incertonia
20-11-2004, 22:29
What are you 12?

We're not going to fight China nor Iran.
Read my post carefully, realize that I said exactly that, and then smack yourself in the head repeatedly for posting before you understood what I was saying.
Celtlund
20-11-2004, 22:42
Maybe the real reason why we are going into another quagmire is...Israel.

We had more peace before Israel was created.

WW I was peace? WWW II was peace? :headbang:
Celtlund
20-11-2004, 22:51
This the same Bush that declared that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Any assertion about what Iran may or may not have should be viewed with suspicion with a track record like Bush's.

Even the UN, Russians and others believed Iraq had WMDs, so the "track record" was not Bushe's alone.

Or are there some weapons which are "good" and some "bad" - or some nations which are "good" or "bad" - and if so who decides?

Some nations good, some nations bad. Who decides, not the UN. I guess the biggest dog on the block decides. :)
Allemonde
25-11-2004, 06:49
If we don't have a war with Iran, it won't be because we lack the military numbers to do so, or the desire to do so, or because of Iran's possession of nuclear weapons--it'll be because China now has their back.

Not long ago, China signed a deal with Iran where Iran becomes China's largest foreign supplier of oil, and in return, China essentially guarantees Iran's security. In schoolyard terms, that means that China and Iran are cousins now, and if you fight one, you fight the other one. Bush may be dumb enough to think that we can take China without using nukes, but the military people don't think so, and they'll make sure it doesn't happen.

Yeah and now with a possible China-Russia-Iran alliance and Russia probaly going back to a dictatorship and developing a new nuke we are now closer to the prospect of a nuclear war. Like I was saying on another thread the bush regime is pulling the western world closer to the brink of collapse which might be a good thing if it doesn't invole the total destuction of Earth's environment. Maybe after 3 or 4 hundred years of a dark age maybe we can create a new renissance or utopian society.
Nycton
25-11-2004, 06:56
Doupt it. Forces are spread to thin right now.
Rockadia
25-11-2004, 08:04
I'd be against a war in Iran (if it ever happened, that is).

As some people have recognised here, there is a reformist movement in Iran. Though it may be choked by the ultra-radical clerical council, it still exists.
IIRC, Iranians do get to elect their presidents? And their current one is a reformist.
I'm all for letting them sort themselves out, reform and modernise themselves on their own terms, rather than attacking them because they have a 'radical Islamist government and support terrorism'. Once the former goes, the latter will tail off as well.

And I was quite enjoying the early parts of this thread until it became all serious like. :)