NationStates Jolt Archive

I recall having read on this board that the USA doesn't have any indigenous cuisine to speak of. That's just blatantly false. We have foods that you would be hard pressed to find anywhere else. There are regional specialties, like Pork Roll from New Jersey, Scrapple from PA, Hot Dish from the midwest, the various Cajun foods from Louisiana, Texas barbecue, Southeastern Barbecue and Kansas City Barbacue use different sauces and have distinct flavors. Nowhere else in the world can you find authentic Chili. We invented pizza, and New York and New Jersey have the best, unless you are looking for deep dish. Then you have to go to Chicago. There are numerous regional delicacies that can be found if you travel around this great nation. We don't have one cuisine, we have many.

Oh, I agree totaly. Gumbo, yum! :D

You have PLENTY of great dishes. Yummy. Who the hell said you don't!?! That rascal! (pizza clearly wasn't invented in america tho)

Don't forget Tex-Mex! Tacos, Chili, Nachos ... all uniquely American. :)

Don't forget deep fried chicken.

... I think slaves invented that. :(

We didn't even have potatoes before some brainiac liberal sailed to the Americas and brought them over. That alone is enough to be thankful for.

You have PLENTY of great dishes. Yummy. Who the hell said you don't!?! That rascal! (pizza clearly wasn't invented in america tho)
It was invented in it's current form in NY by an Italian immigrant and sold as a quick hot lunch to Italian immigrant working men.

Damn you, now I want some NY pizza, and I'm stuck over here in California. I hate California pizza.

It was invented in it's current form in NY by an Italian immigrant and sold as a quick hot lunch to Italian immigrant working men.
If you say so. 'In it's current form' must be the key phrase. The word first appeared around 1000-750 B.C. and it was sold in Naples from the start of the 1800's. But I'll take your word for it. I'm not Italian, so it's not really something worth me to argue about. As long as it's tasty.

If you say so. 'In it's current form' must be the key phrase. The word first appeared around 1000-750 B.C. and it was sold in Naples from the start of the 1800's. But I'll take your word for it. I'm not Italian, so it's not really something worth me argue about. As long as it's tasty.
I've had pizza in Italy. It sucks.

I've had pizza in Italy. It sucks.
Hehe. Chances are I didn't make it. Too bad you had a bad experience.

If you say so. 'In it's current form' must be the key phrase.

Nod ... the original "pizza" was little more than meat in a pocket of bread. Europe didn't have tomatoes until they came to the "New World" and brought them back with them - after much debate over whether or not they were poisonous. Cheese wasn't used on pizza in Italy until the 1800s.

So, yeah, what we think of as "pizza" is uniquely American.

I'll take mine with sausage and mushrooms, please!

Nod ... the original "pizza" was little more than meat in a pocket of bread. Europe didn't have tomatoes until they came to the "New World" and brought them back with them - after much debate over whether or not they were poisonous. Cheese wasn't used on pizza in Italy until the 1800s.

So, yeah, what we think of as "pizza" is uniquely American.

I'll take mine with sausage and mushrooms, please!
There you go then. You didn't invent it as such, you made it better. Good job. It's like many other inventions you did this with.

Damn you, now I want some NY pizza, and I'm stuck over here in California. I hate California pizza.

Come a little farther, out to New Haven, CT. Go to Pepe's, or Modern if they're not open. It's the best, anywhere. (And I work in Manhattan.)

Come a little farther, out to New Haven, CT. Go to Pepe's, or Modern if they're not open. It's the best, anywhere. (And I work in Manhattan.)

I'll have to try to remember this next time I'm back east for something. Thanks.

And over on the west coast, we have In N Out ;)

Oooooooh yeah :D

There you go then. You didn't invent it as such, you made it better. Good job. It's like many other inventions you did this with.

Nah ... I think it's a give and take ...

Italy came up with the basics and we added the tomato sauce and cheese, which got assimilated into Italy.

I like to think of it as a collaborative effort that knows no cultural bounds.

Pizza ... linking cultural diversity since 1785!

But, then, I am American Indian and my wife is Sicilian. I guess that makes our kids just like Pizza! :D

What about Chicago-style pizza? I assume that it originated in Chicago.

You want some good American cuisine? Go up to Upper Michigan and get a Pasty. It's like a whole stew, cooked inside of a bread, and the miners would carry it with them, so they didn't have a mess. The thing is awesome.

Unfortunately, any Pasties from south of the Mackinac Bridge are almost guaranteed to be shit. Same with "Mackinac Island Fudge" from south of the bridge, and "Superior White Fish" from anywhere but a Lake Superior coastal town. (It's probably mirrored on the Canadian side, but I know I love my UP cooking.)

I mean, it's plain, simple, hearty foods that really stock you up in the cold. Potato Soup (the thick, homemade stuff, not that thin-canned-crap), the fish dinners, the pasties, the casseroles... hmmm... hungry...

Sorry. I'm being all anal about this... pizza I mean...regarding the tomatoes and all. I found shitloads of sites similar as this one: http://www.geraldos.com/piehistory.htm
When did this Italian immigrant began selling his pizzas again?

I'm sorry I'm pestering you with this, cos I truly love American cuisine. It's just I think Italians should get the props for pizza... prove me wrong please, so I can go on.

The first pizza was invented in Naples in the 1800's. The chef in question wanted to honor the Queen of Italy, sooo...badda bing badda boom
"Pizza Margarita" was born.
Ingredients:
Pizza dough (as we know it today)
Roma tomotos
Olive oil
Fresh basil leaves.
Buffalo Mozzerella
The colors resembled the Italian flag.
There. A bit of food history from the new guy

Oh and Pastys are definitely a product of the British Isles...
We used to have a pasty shop down here in Florida, and they were fantastic!

You want some good American cuisine? Go up to Upper Michigan and get a Pasty. It's like a whole stew, cooked inside of a bread, and the miners would carry it with them, so they didn't have a mess. The thing is awesome.


I think the original idea for that comes from Cornwall. The Cornish miners also introduced it in central Mexico where they're known as "pastes" (e as in let). Of course, each place added it's own ingredients and style, so it's not the same, just similar.

I think the original idea for that comes from Cornwall. The Cornish miners also introduced it in central Mexico where they're known as "pastes" (e as in let). Of course, each place added it's own ingredients and style, so it's not the same, just similar.
Yeah, it's from the Cornish miners up here, too. From them, the Swedes and Finns that made up most the immigrant population addopted it and filled it out for that special flavor it has today.

(Now I want to find this Pastes, and see how different it evolved!)

Yeah, it's from the Cornish miners up here, too. From them, the Swedes and Finns that made up most the immigrant population addopted it and filled it out for that special flavor it has today.

(Now I want to find this Pastes, and see how different it evolved!)
Being a Finn, maybe I can shed some light on this. Is it cooked inside of dark bread? We have two kinds of similar dishes here; both contain fish (methinks) and meat in em.

what about hot dogs from ny? ik ik we didnt make hot dogs but they arent like newhere else. Where are you going to get the most horribly disgusting, sanitary wise, hot dog that tastes so awesome becuase it has been sitting it its own oils and fat all day? Hot dogs yumm

Yeah, it's from the Cornish miners up here, too. From them, the Swedes and Finns that made up most the immigrant population addopted it and filled it out for that special flavor it has today.

(Now I want to find this Pastes, and see how different it evolved!)
With lots and lots of red hot peppers, man! Some are very hard to handle.

Being a Finn, maybe I can shed some light on this. Is it cooked inside of dark bread? We have two kinds of similar dishes here; both contain fish (methinks) and meat in em.

Most of them seem to use light breads, but I've seen darker variants. (I'm of Finnish and Swedish descent, personally.)

With lots and lots of red hot peppers, man! Some are very hard to handle.

That is quite a bit different. There's no peppers in the Pasty, as it's supposed to be hot, easy to eat, and filling. I still want to try the southern one, now.


Hey guys, it was great to have a non-flame discussion on this board! Unfortunately, I have to go work now, so I'll see ya'll later!

America as a culture has had 200 years to develope. European countries had, what, 5,000?

Most of them seem to use light breads, but I've seen darker variants. (I'm of Finnish and Swedish descent, personally.)



That is quite a bit different. There's no peppers in the Pasty, as it's supposed to be hot, easy to eat, and filling. I still want to try the southern one, now.


Hey guys, it was great to have a non-flame discussion on this board! Unfortunately, I have to go work now, so I'll see ya'll later!
I kinda knew it Kaukolastan. Kauko being a finnish name. :) And how could you possibly have a flamefest over food?!? Oh if the French came in... :D

If I had to pick a last meal, it would be bbq from North Carolina. I would die happy for sure.

America as a culture has had 200 years to develope. European countries had, what, 5,000?
Well, not everything in Europe is old and grand. My country has been independent what, 87 years...

dont forget hot pockets!

Well, not everything in Europe is old and grand. My country has been independent what, 87 years...
Plus there were a lot of barbarian invasions and waves of immigrants, some as recently as the 1400's, without which Europe would be very different.

dont forget hot pockets!

Oh god, please LET us forget aobut hot pockets...

Plus there were a lot of barbarian invasions and waves of immigrants, some as recently as the 1400's, without which Europe would be very different.
Yes. From Mongols we got the grilled marmot. Delicious if you don't get the plague. Let's stick to food. :D

The first pizza was invented in Naples in the 1800's. The chef in question wanted to honor the Queen of Italy, sooo...badda bing badda boom
"Pizza Margarita" was born.
Ingredients:
Pizza dough (as we know it today)
Roma tomotos
Olive oil
Fresh basil leaves.
Buffalo Mozzerella
The colors resembled the Italian flag.
There. A bit of food history from the new guy

Oh and Pastys are definitely a product of the British Isles...
We used to have a pasty shop down here in Florida, and they were fantastic!
In New Jersey we call that one a Tomato Pie. It's distinct from Pizza, but I guess that's regional nitpicking.

BBQ... Mmmmm.. Thanks Slaves!

Yes. From Mongols we got the grilled marmot. Delicious if you don't get the plague. Let's stick to food. :D
:) Ok. Mmh... what about pasta? I know, it didn't come from an invasion, but still came from the East, didn't it?

:) Ok. Mmh... what about pasta? I know, it didn't come from an invasion, but still came from the East, didn't it?
The basic concept was brought to Europe from the east, yes. Marco Polo's party brought it if I remember seventh grade history correctly.

The best food in the US comes from Philadelphia: A Pat's Cheesesteak, soft pretzel, and an ice cold Yuengling Lager. The best for a Sunday afternoon in front of the tv.

Tex-mex is a unique combination of North American food, and I am truly fond of it.

Tex-mex is a unique combination of North American food, and I am truly fond of it.

Same here. With tons of hot sauce.

Hey, is OSU for Ohio State per chance?

The best food in the US comes from Philadelphia: A Pat's Cheesesteak, soft pretzel, and an ice cold Yuengling Lager. The best for a Sunday afternoon in front of the tv.
Geno's is better
Have I just started a flame war?

Geno's is better
Have I just started a flame war?

Pat's beats Geno's hands down, as does Slack's. BTW you're from Jersey, what do you know about taste? ;)

Pat's beats Geno's hands down, as does Slack's. BTW you're from Jersey, what do you know about taste? ;)
The only thing pat's has going for it is the bucket of fly-infested hotsauce on the counter. A tourist asked me if that was ketchup once. Guess what I said?

There you go then. You didn't invent it as such, you made it better. Good job. It's like many other inventions you did this with. Oh, please. That's like arguing that the guy who invented television didn't invent it, he just made radio better.

The only thing pat's has going for it is the bucket of fly-infested hotsauce on the counter. A tourist asked me if that was ketchup once. Guess what I said?

Well the flys add much needed protein. We locals know not to take from ye olde hotsauce container. You Jerseyites can barely drive, so I doubt you would know a good cheesesteak if it slapped you in the face and left a grease trail down your shirt. :rolleyes:

Well the flys add much needed protein. We locals know not to take from ye olde hotsauce container. You Jerseyites can barely drive, so I doubt you would know a good cheesesteak if it slapped you in the face and left a grease trail down your shirt. :rolleyes:
I can drive my ass to Geno's for a GOOD cheesesteak.

Same here. With tons of hot sauce.

Hey, is OSU for Ohio State per chance?


There's a Baker East on South Campus at Ohio State, so I'd be willing to say yes.

There's a Baker East on South Campus at Ohio State, so I'd be willing to say yes.


Off topic - how are the Clarett allegations sitting over there? What's your take?