NationStates Jolt Archive


Does anyone else think it is time for the US to Stop.

DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 08:56
Being the worlds policeman that is.

I really believe that we should just stop worring about the rest of the world and take care of our own knitting. I think we should pull all our troops back home; stop "peace keeping" and use the money we save to develop a kick ass border defense.

If there is a regional problem, then that is the problem of the region: not ours. We are the richest nation on earth, and we can always gain what we need by paying for it, I don't see why we have to piss around making the rest of the world safe.

Now, I understand that there is an Isreal problem, but I sugeest that or withdrawl from the world should involve some kind of guarantee that Isreal is still under the US's protection provided no more territory is taken. But other than that; finis, it's over.

Discuss.
Cosgrach
19-11-2004, 09:00
heh I think Americans are split on this issue. When I was a younger man, I'd say we should continue being the world's police, because we were the only ones willing and able to do so. As I've grown older though I've come to the conclusion that there will always be terrible events going on in the world, and the only thing that's going to make it change is when people in that region want them to, and you can't force them to change.

So I say screw it and let them figure it out. That's right Iceland, we are bringing the last 2 U.S. pilots home. :p
Castir
19-11-2004, 09:02
Israel has one of the strongest armies in the region, is suspected to have over 40 nuclear warheads, and is busy building a wall around the country. They've fought 7 wars in 40 years, without US support, and managed to gain territory, while fighting 6 different nations.

They don't even need our help.
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 09:03
I think there's nothing wrong with peace keeping and US has an important role in it. I think European countries should take more respponsibility and not always ask US to do the dirty work. Attacking other countries without proper reasons is a different issue and I would be more than happy if US would stop doing it.
Imperial Puerto Rico
19-11-2004, 09:04
Being the worlds policeman that is.

I really believe that we should just stop worring about the rest of the world and take care of our own knitting. I think we should pull all our troops back home; stop "peace keeping" and use the money we save to develop a kick ass border defense.

If there is a regional problem, then that is the problem of the region: not ours. We are the richest nation on earth, and we can always gain what we need by paying for it, I don't see why we have to piss around making the rest of the world safe.

Now, I understand that there is an Isreal problem, but I sugeest that or withdrawl from the world should involve some kind of guarantee that Isreal is still under the US's protection provided no more territory is taken. But other than that; finis, it's over.

Discuss.


:)

Someone that thinks like me!
Reasonabilityness
19-11-2004, 09:05
Well, I agree except for one thing -

We can't pull out of Iraq now. That is our mess, we invaded, we have to finish it up.
Vittos Ordination
19-11-2004, 09:06
Being the worlds policeman that is.

I really believe that we should just stop worring about the rest of the world and take care of our own knitting. I think we should pull all our troops back home; stop "peace keeping" and use the money we save to develop a kick ass border defense.

If there is a regional problem, then that is the problem of the region: not ours. We are the richest nation on earth, and we can always gain what we need by paying for it, I don't see why we have to piss around making the rest of the world safe.

Now, I understand that there is an Isreal problem, but I sugeest that or withdrawl from the world should involve some kind of guarantee that Isreal is still under the US's protection provided no more territory is taken. But other than that; finis, it's over.

Discuss.

I agree completely. A great deal of political thinking over the last 50 years has been that the best defense is a good offense. The neocons take this to an extreme extent.

That may work for a game of basketball, but it doesn't work for people. You cannot enforce your will on people like that and not expect retaliation from some side.

Growth must be organic and unforced. In business it is hubris, in government it is imperialism. The fact is the more you stretch yourself the more vulnerable you are to external factors. And with forceful growth on a internation level you create to many external factors to deal with.
Goed Twee
19-11-2004, 09:06
ATTENTION US:

Stop being the worlds mother-in-law!

Everyone hates it!

Love: one of your citizens.
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 09:07
heh I think Americans are split on this issue. When I was a younger man, I'd say we should continue being the world's police, because we were the only ones willing and able to do so. As I've grown older though I've come to the conclusion that there will always be terrible events going on in the world, and the only thing that's going to make it change is when people in that region want them to, and you can't force them to change.

So I say screw it and let them figure it out. That's right Iceland, we are bringing the last 2 U.S. pilots home. :p
I partially agree. I also think that no true change will ever happen if the nation (and more important, it's population) is not ready and willing to do it. But sometimes they need a little help in the beginning.
The Wickit Klownz
19-11-2004, 09:07
In the Words of George S. Patton,"Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight."

That was part of a speech from WWII, His famous Speech to the Third Army.
Chodolo
19-11-2004, 09:15
There's a line between isolationism and being the world's cop.

I'd hate to think what would have happened if Iraq had been allowed to take Kuwait in 1990.
Cosgrach
19-11-2004, 09:17
There's a line between isolationism and being the world's cop.

I'd hate to think what would have happened if Iraq had been allowed to take Kuwait in 1990.


Bah, No Blood for Oil!! :gundge:

:D
Chodolo
19-11-2004, 09:22
Blood for Oil for Food!!!!! :D
Vittos Ordination
19-11-2004, 09:23
There's a line between isolationism and being the world's cop.

I'd hate to think what would have happened if Iraq had been allowed to take Kuwait in 1990.

There's not just a line between isolationism and being the worlds cop, theres a whole freakin' ocean.

The difference you are looking at is the line between being a world policeman, and simply maintaining our interests.
Bajakens Untamed Wild
19-11-2004, 09:26
It's just not right. We're spending lots of time, manpower, human lives, and tons of money to force our way of life upon other nations just because we believe that ours is better. Don't get me wrong, I think ours is better too, but it's just not our place in the world, or even our place to make that kind of decision. And the thing that I really find funny is that there are people that honestly think we're doing the world a big favor by going off to some country, blowing the crap out of it, and replacing it's government with a US-aproved, better one. And of course, we've taken this, 'you're either with us or against us' attitude, which automatically makes any other country that thinks we might be rushing into things and throwing our weight around a little too much a supporter of terrorism.

Look out Europe, as soon as we're done 'freeing' the Middle East, we're probably coming over to 'fix up' your countries, too.
Goed Twee
19-11-2004, 09:28
I can't believe nobody commented on my "mother-in-law" quote :p.

YOu folks must have the nice ones :p
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 09:29
I'm not saying we should just ditch Iraq. That would be wrong, we have to see it through - after all we started it. But we should at least make it clear that this is tha last time, and henceforth: No More.

That's all. It's not our job and we weren't elected.

And who are we to say how the rest of the world should run.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 09:29
I can't believe nobody commented on my "mother-in-law" quote :p.

YOu folks must have the nice ones :p


My girlfriends mother is great. So there.
Goed Twee
19-11-2004, 09:32
My girlfriends mother is great. So there.

I hope my mother in law is nice, whomever it is in the future :confused:

My wife's mother in law, on the other hand, will never be seen. Ever >_>
Vittos Ordination
19-11-2004, 09:35
I'm not saying we should just ditch Iraq. That would be wrong, we have to see it through - after all we started it. But we should at least make it clear that this is tha last time, and henceforth: No More.

That's all. It's not our job and we weren't elected.

And who are we to say how the rest of the world should run.

There is an obsession that amongst our politicians that a complete withdrawl from the foreign theater would make us appear weak, and cause us to become ineffectual in negotiations. I believe that was the whole point of the Iraqi war, to give us complete and total leverage in all Middle East negotiations.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 09:46
There is an obsession that amongst our politicians that a complete withdrawl from the foreign theater would make us appear weak, and cause us to become ineffectual in negotiations. I believe that was the whole point of the Iraqi war, to give us complete and total leverage in all Middle East negotiations.

No I see the point of staying the course now; on many levels.

But we should just be firm on both counts:

1. That we are going to get our way; and

2. That this is the last time.

I would hate to think that we abandoned people and it would make us look untrustworthy.

What I want is an honest foreign policy we can stick to.
Vittos Ordination
19-11-2004, 09:52
No I see the point of staying the course now; on many levels.

But we should just be firm on both counts:

1. That we are going to get our way; and

2. That this is the last time.

I would hate to think that we abandoned people and it would make us look untrustworthy.

What I want is an honest foreign policy we can stick to.

I agree with you, but good luck selling that idea to a politician.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 09:54
I agree with you, but good luck selling that idea to a politician.

Hmm.. maybe I should be president.

That would help.
Vittos Ordination
19-11-2004, 09:57
Hmm.. maybe I should be president.

That would help.

If I weren't running against you, you would have my vote.
Jun Fan Lee
19-11-2004, 10:13
I don't think you guys really have a clue what an isolationist policy would be like and how it couldn't work in the present global climate. Not to mention that the US is already culturally isolationist, you hardly see any inflow of foreign cultural ideas, life, fear, existance....meanwhile the developing world gets bombarded with US lifestyle adverts, promoting US "values" and products. Your entire economy (like the EU) relies on your exploitation of the poor of the world, putting them into mathematically inescapable cycles of debt, often resulting in the destruction of local industry and resources, forcing a reliance on US multinationals for jobs and limited income. Even now, the whole world is exposed to US media through their TV, and yet if foreign opinions come onto your TVs there is often a feeling that the world has no place criticising the actions of the US - probably due to not being informed about how your country impacts other people. This aspect of the US "empire" is as much a reason for people hating the US as their constant military intervention in countries all around the world. The US has gotten involved in an election at least once in every single country in the Americas, be it with the military, via bribes, corporations, CIA assassinations (like when they murdered the elected president of Chile and replaced him with Pinochet due to his extreme free-market views). It is the constant US double-standards that people dispise, violation of non-US human rights, lack of compassion or understanding of other people etc

Your suggestion of isolation is put forward under the tone of "well we're so great, if the world doesn't appreciate our help, then fuck em and let's get on with our own lives". Only someone who hasn't been informed of the realities of global inter-dependence would ever suggest that is possible or the correct thing to do. The real issue is destroying the root causes of what makes people resort to guerilla tactics against the US, something the US has had no desire in doing because a climate of "terrorism" perfectly suits the present neo-con agenda (and Jihadist "terrorists"). A central concept in neo-con philosophy is that a great exaggerated climate of fear must be created, with religion used as a tool (none of the true neo-cons are religious, it is seem as a method of controlling the masses), in order to suppress liberal individualism (something the neo-cons and Jihadists believe will destroy society). There is no real attempt being made to reduce hatred for the US, only displays of extreme aggression to try and make people fear the consequences of hating the US and reacting against them. This simply makes matter worse
Quagmir
19-11-2004, 10:16
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So I say screw it and let them figure it out. That's right Iceland, we are bringing the last 2 U.S. pilots home. :p
:eek: Oh no! We will get new ones from Russia then! Or maybe China :D
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 10:17
I don't think you guys really have a clue what an isolationist policy would be like and how it couldn't work in the present global climate. Not to mention that the US is already culturally isolationist, you hardly see any inflow of foreign cultural ideas, life, fear, existance....meanwhile the developing world gets bombarded with US lifestyle adverts, promoting US "values" and products. Your entire economy (like the EU) relies on your exploitation of the poor of the world, putting them into mathematically inescapable cycles of debt, often resulting in the destruction of local industry and resources, forcing a reliance on US multinationals for jobs and limited income. Even now, the whole world is exposed to US media through their TV, and yet if foreign opinions come onto your TVs there is often a feeling that the world has no place criticising the actions of the US - probably due to not being informed about how your country impacts other people. This aspect of the US "empire" is as much a reason for people hating the US as their constant military intervention in countries all around the world. The US has gotten involved in an election at least once in every single country in the Americas, be it with the military, via bribes, corporations, CIA assassinations (like when they murdered the elected president of Chile and replaced him with Pinochet due to his extreme free-market views). It is the constant US double-standards that people dispise, violation of non-US human rights, lack of compassion or understanding of other people etc

Your suggestion of isolation is put forward under the tone of "well we're so great, if the world doesn't appreciate our help, then fuck em and let's get on with our own lives". Only someone who hasn't been informed of the realities of global inter-dependence would ever suggest that is possible or the correct thing to do. The real issue is destroying the root causes of what makes people resort to guerilla tactics against the US, something the US has had no desire in doing because a climate of "terrorism" perfectly suits the present neo-con agenda (and Jihadist "terrorists"). A central concept in neo-con philosophy is that a great exaggerated climate of fear must be created, with religion used as a tool (none of the true neo-cons are religious, it is seem as a method of controlling the masses), in order to suppress liberal individualism (something the neo-cons and Jihadists believe will destroy society). There is no real attempt being made to reduce hatred for the US, only displays of extreme aggression to try and make people fear the consequences of hating the US and reacting against them. This simply makes matter worse


So you think we should stay involved as a military power?

I wasn't sugesting an isolationist policy, only that the US military should withdraw and that we should trade with other nations on equal terms.
Vittos Ordination
19-11-2004, 10:17
I don't think you guys really have a clue what an isolationist policy would be like and how it couldn't work in the present global climate. Not to mention that the US is already culturally isolationist, you hardly see any inflow of foreign cultural ideas, life, fear, existance....meanwhile the developing world gets bombarded with US lifestyle adverts, promoting US "values" and products. Your entire economy (like the EU) relies on your exploitation of the poor of the world, putting them into mathematically inescapable cycles of debt, often resulting in the destruction of local industry and resources, forcing a reliance on US multinationals for jobs and limited income. Even now, the whole world is exposed to US media through their TV, and yet if foreign opinions come onto your TVs there is often a feeling that the world has no place criticising the actions of the US - probably due to not being informed about how your country impacts other people. This aspect of the US "empire" is as much a reason for people hating the US as their constant military intervention in countries all around the world. The US has gotten involved in an election at least once in every single country in the Americas, be it with the military, via bribes, corporations, CIA assassinations (like when they murdered the elected president of Chile and replaced him with Pinochet due to his extreme free-market views). It is the constant US double-standards that people dispise, violation of non-US human rights, lack of compassion or understanding of other people etc

Your suggestion of isolation is put forward under the tone of "well we're so great, if the world doesn't appreciate our help, then fuck em and let's get on with our own lives". Only someone who hasn't been informed of the realities of global inter-dependence would ever suggest that is possible or the correct thing to do. The real issue is destroying the root causes of what makes people resort to guerilla tactics against the US, something the US has had no desire in doing because a climate of "terrorism" perfectly suits the present neo-con agenda (and Jihadist "terrorists"). A central concept in neo-con philosophy is that a great exaggerated climate of fear must be created, with religion used as a tool (none of the true neo-cons are religious, it is seem as a method of controlling the masses), in order to suppress liberal individualism (something the neo-cons and Jihadists believe will destroy society). There is no real attempt being made to reduce hatred for the US, only displays of extreme aggression to try and make people fear the consequences of hating the US and reacting against them. This simply makes matter worse

Yikes, the intensity meter just broke.

Isolationism is not where we are going, here. But more of a representation of our interests at home, and not the representation of our role as a governing superpower. There is a difference.

And the poor are not a very big economic bonus for the US. Third world nations do not particularly provide strong markets for US corporations.
Bajakens Untamed Wild
19-11-2004, 10:29
Your suggestion of isolation is put forward under the tone of "well we're so great, if the world doesn't appreciate our help, then fuck em and let's get on with our own lives".
I think US's current tone is "well we're so great, the rest of the world should do it this way too, because it's the best. Like us." It's not that we should get on with our own lives, we just need to stop screwing with theirs so much.

The real issue is destroying the root causes of what makes people resort to guerilla tactics against the US,
Like invading other nations half a world away and replacing their governments? We can't make everyone happy, but we could at least stop pissing everyone off. I don't think we should withdraw from Iraq, we just need to stop blowing people up just because we don't agree.
Psylos
19-11-2004, 10:37
And the poor are not a very big economic bonus for the US. Third world nations do not particularly provide strong markets for US corporations.
You do not understand. They're not consumers. They're producers.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 10:40
You do not understand. They're not consumers. They're producers.


Actually most of the worlds poor are nothing to the current system.

The big question is how to make them producers.
The Phoenix Milita
19-11-2004, 10:46
Does anyone else think it is time for the US to Stop Being the worlds policeman?

No, who else is going to do it, Liechtenstein?
Clontopia
19-11-2004, 10:46
Look out Europe, as soon as we're done 'freeing' the Middle East, we're probably coming over to 'fix up' your countries, too.

I dont think we will be going to Europe. Look at the war history of America. the only times we go to war with any Europians is after they had been at war for a long time and were in a weaker condition. take both wwI and wwII we waited before going in. Even though Germany was winning they were still losing soldiers and becoming weaker. so we waited and picked our time to attack, with lots of allies with us. Then claimed we saved the world all by ourselves. :p :sniper:

All of our other wars have been against little third world countries that did not have the ability to defend themselves. We are bullies we will never attack a industral nation unless they where weakend by war with another country.
That is why we never went to war with russia. :headbang:

Of course I still think we could take on any country and win. :p :sniper: :sniper:
Psylos
19-11-2004, 10:49
Actually most of the worlds poor are nothing to the current system.

The big question is how to make them producers.
They produce diamonds, shoes, bananas, coffee, oil, lumber, cotton, electronic components, brains ... ... ... ... that they can't afford to buy.

The big question is how to make them get the benefit of what they produce (or how to make the west stop getting the benefits of what they produce).
Clontopia
19-11-2004, 10:49
Hmm.. maybe I should be president.

That would help.

I would vote for you. I have no idea who you are or what you stand for. But you could not possible be worse that the two we just had to run for the office. :p
Clontopia
19-11-2004, 10:49
No, who else is going to do it, Liechtenstein?

easy there you dont want to piss of their 10 man army. :p
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 10:50
No, who else is going to do it, Liechtenstein?


Well if they want. I just don't see how it is our business.
Quagmir
19-11-2004, 10:59
[QUOTE=Helioterra]...I think European countries should take more respponsibility and not always ask US to do the dirty work. ...QUOTE]

Do European countries often ask the US to do the dirty work?
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 11:12
They produce diamonds, shoes, bananas, coffee, oil, lumber, cotton, electronic components, brains ... ... ... ... that they can't afford to buy.

The big question is how to make them get the benefit of what they produce (or how to make the west stop getting the benefits of what they produce).

Ok. Well taken.

We could just pass human rights laws insisting that all products that are imported to the US are produced by people making a set wage. :eek:



You see, if you care about that, we could use our economic power for good.
Psylos
19-11-2004, 11:29
Ok. Well taken.

We could just pass human rights laws insisting that all products that are imported to the US are produced by people making a set wage. :eek:



You see, if you care about that, we could use our economic power for good.
A world-wide minimum wage. I like the idea. Where can I put my vote for you?
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 11:31
[QUOTE=Helioterra]...I think European countries should take more respponsibility and not always ask US to do the dirty work. ...QUOTE]

Do European countries often ask the US to do the dirty work?
In UN yes. Now they want US to solve the minor problem in Sudan.
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 11:35
Ok. Well taken.

We could just pass human rights laws insisting that all products that are imported to the US are produced by people making a set wage. :eek:

You see, if you care about that, we could use our economic power for good.
Or you could just buy fair trade products. Producers do what consumers want. If most of us would buy fair trade products, we wouldn't need that kind of laws.
Psylos
19-11-2004, 11:35
In UN yes. Now they want US to solve the minor problem in Sudan.
The problems in Darfhur and in Ivory Coast originate from the CIA.
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 11:38
The problems in Darfhur and in Ivory Coast originate from the CIA.
eh, what?
There has been racist conflicts in Darfur for the last 2 decades. Did CIA start it or what?
(I'm not saying you're wrong, this is just completely new to me)
Quagmir
19-11-2004, 11:39
In UN yes. Now they want US to solve the minor problem in Sudan.

Do they want US to work for the UN, or with them? Or maybe just lay off the vetos? The US should solve the problem in Sudan, but not by themselves. Besides, dirty work? Cleaning up somebodys mess, that would qualify as dirty work, wouldn't it?
Psylos
19-11-2004, 11:44
eh, what?
There has been racist conflicts in Darfur for the last 2 decades. Did CIA start it or what?
(I'm not saying you're wrong, this is just completely new to me)
The CIA helped train and arm rebels from west Sudan who rose up against the Sudanese government last year.
They took rebels to Eritrea, and set up training camps for them, spent money on them, armed them and gave them Thuraya mobiles to communicate.
Maybe this is not related, but there is oil in Sudan.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 11:44
Do they want US to work for the UN, or with them? Or maybe just lay off the vetos? The US should solve the problem in Sudan, but not by themselves. Besides, dirty work? Cleaning up somebodys mess, that would qualify as dirty work, wouldn't it?

I agree, it's none of our business. We should refuse trade from that region when the government is under a UN ban, otherwise it is nothing to do with us. The region should sort it out.
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 11:49
Do they want US to work for the UN, or with them? Or maybe just lay off the vetos? The US should solve the problem in Sudan, but not by themselves. Besides, dirty work? Cleaning up somebodys mess, that would qualify as dirty work, wouldn't it?
For the UN, European countries don't want to send their troops over there.
Oh yes, they should lay off the vetos! I think noone should have the veto right anyway.
By dirty work I mean e.g. the war in Balkans. Europeans couldn't do anything. US did and ever since we have been judging them for it.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 11:54
Being the worlds policeman that is.

I really believe that we should just stop worring about the rest of the world and take care of our own knitting. I think we should pull all our troops back home; stop "peace keeping" and use the money we save to develop a kick ass border defense.

If there is a regional problem, then that is the problem of the region: not ours. We are the richest nation on earth, and we can always gain what we need by paying for it, I don't see why we have to piss around making the rest of the world safe.

Now, I understand that there is an Isreal problem, but I sugeest that or withdrawl from the world should involve some kind of guarantee that Isreal is still under the US's protection provided no more territory is taken. But other than that; finis, it's over.

Discuss.

To DD (and his alter-ego, VO):

1. You lost the election for president (and lost seats in both houses of Congress and lost State Governors and state legislatures).

2. Your ideas and "intellectual legal debating 'arguments' " didn't even sway the "fly-over" voters (who now control national elections).

3. You bi-coastals (not including the East coast that is south of the Mason-Dixon Line) are now talking of cessation to regain a majority in your brainwashed no-think regions.

4. Your regions specialize in propaganda 'journalism', sick 'entertainment', unionized employees, and options traders. A perfect fit with Quebec and Ontario Canada. Your ghettos don't produce useful products or contribute useful ideas.

5. The UN is controlled by corrupt, third world dictators and bribe-takers. The majority of Americans have drawn the line, and you liberal-simps our not on our side. We can help you move to Somalia.
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 11:55
The CIA helped train and arm rebels from west Sudan who rose up against the Sudanese government last year.
They took rebels to Eritrea, and set up training camps for them, spent money on them, armed them and gave them Thuraya mobiles to communicate.
Maybe this is not related, but there is oil in Sudan.
Ok, but Janjaweed have been murdering black Sudanese for years. It's nothing new. And there has been rebels for years too. Things have heated up during past year and maybe CIA is partially quilty for it.
I know there's oil in Sudan. Most of it goes to China which is the country using veto right in this issue. They don't want to stop trading with Sudan.
Quagmir
19-11-2004, 11:59
To DD (and his alter-ego, VO):

1. You lost the election for president (and lost seats in both houses of Congress and lost State Governors and state legislatures).

2. Your ideas and "intellectual legal debating 'arguments' " didn't even sway the "fly-over" voters (who now control national elections).

3. You bi-coastals (not including the East coast that is south of the Mason-Dixon Line) are now talking of cessation to regain a majority in your brainwashed no-think regions.

4. Your regions specialize in propaganda 'journalism', sick 'entertainment', unionized employees, and options traders. A perfect fit with Quebec and Ontario Canada. Your ghettos don't produce useful products or contribute useful ideas.

5. The UN is controlled by corrupt, third world dictators and bribe-takers. The majority of Americans have drawn the line, and you liberal-simps our not on our side. We can help you move to Somalia.

Is that republican logic? :D :D :D :D What is the point?
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 12:03
Is that republican logic? :D :D :D :D What is the point?

I was not talking to you. Butt, If you want to try to answer, take a shot.
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 12:04
I was not talking to you. Butt, If you want to try to answer, take a shot.
Heehee this guy is hilarious. keep going. (hmm this could be an example to the sanity thread)
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 12:07
To DD (and his alter-ego, VO):

1. You lost the election for president (and lost seats in both houses of Congress and lost State Governors and state legislatures).

2. Your ideas and "intellectual legal debating 'arguments' " didn't even sway the "fly-over" voters (who now control national elections).

3. You bi-coastals (not including the East coast that is south of the Mason-Dixon Line) are now talking of cessation to regain a majority in your brainwashed no-think regions.

4. Your regions specialize in propaganda 'journalism', sick 'entertainment', unionized employees, and options traders. A perfect fit with Quebec and Ontario Canada. Your ghettos don't produce useful products or contribute useful ideas.

5. The UN is controlled by corrupt, third world dictators and bribe-takers. The majority of Americans have drawn the line, and you liberal-simps our not on our side. We can help you move to Somalia.


Don't you have phantom trades to make on the "Hang ten" ?

Also the german bourse is open. Now get to work. I can't be a public defender forever if people like you don't do their part.
Quagmir
19-11-2004, 12:07
I was not talking to you. Butt, If you want to try to answer, take a shot.

Oh no! I didn't mean to intrude on a private conversation. 'Scuse me. Butt yourself! (if the 'butt' was a typo, then 'scuse my rudeness)
Psylos
19-11-2004, 12:08
Ok, but Janjaweed have been murdering black Sudanese for years. It's nothing new. And there has been rebels for years too. Things have heated up during past year and maybe CIA is partially quilty for it.
I know there's oil in Sudan. Most of it goes to China which is the country using veto right in this issue. They don't want to stop trading with Sudan.
Most probably the CIA is guilty of helping rebels.
Maybe it is not related at all, but China would have to buy the oil from alternative sources then, maybe from Iraq. And it must be pure luck that iraqi oil is drilled by US corporations.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 12:10
Don't you have phantom trades to make on the "Hang ten" ?

Also the german bourse is open. Now get to work. I can't be a public defeder forever if people like you don't do their part.

Why don't you and Squiggy get your 2 cells together, and try to answer one question?
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 12:12
Most probably the CIA is guilty of helping rebels.
Maybe it is not related at all, but China would have to buy the oil from alternative sources then, maybe from Iraq. And it must be pure luck that iraqi oil is drilled by US corporations.
China is not very co-operative, to be honest, they don't give a shit. And they have that damn veto right. But they could buy their oil from Russia, it's much closer anyway. (this is certainly out of the topic but I've been wondering why China hasn't been interested of the oil in Siberia, it's expensive, but it's getting more and more expensive anyway)
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 12:15
Why don't you and Squiggy get your 2 cells together, and try to answer one question?
Is this the question? Can I join you DD and Quaqmir? We would have 3 cells!
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 12:15
To DD (and his alter-ego, VO):

1. You lost the election for president (and lost seats in both houses of Congress and lost State Governors and state legislatures).

2. Your ideas and "intellectual legal debating 'arguments' " didn't even sway the "fly-over" voters (who now control national elections).

3. You bi-coastals (not including the East coast that is south of the Mason-Dixon Line) are now talking of cessation to regain a majority in your brainwashed no-think regions.

4. Your regions specialize in propaganda 'journalism', sick 'entertainment', unionized employees, and options traders. A perfect fit with Quebec and Ontario Canada. Your ghettos don't produce useful products or contribute useful ideas.

5. The UN is controlled by corrupt, third world dictators and bribe-takers. The majority of Americans have drawn the line, and you liberal-simps our not on our side. We can help you move to Somalia.


Well come on. I don't have time to waste BL. What is your point. (Non-trader).

A little story:

In the days when I used to trade a lot there was always this bunch of people who claimed they made billion dollar trades in overseas markets. They never did of course, and you could tell this because they never knew when any given market opened. We called them puffs. And they went away.

So how do you feel about the dollar BL, should I go long or short?
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 12:17
Why don't you and Squiggy get your 2 cells together, and try to answer one question?

No, really how did that billion dollar trade work out for you?

I've been short on asia for a while.
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 12:18
Why don't you and Squiggy get your 2 cells together, and try to answer one question?

Recognise me bitch?! I'm here to remind you of the usual crap that you spew fourth :D
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 12:19
Recognise me bitch?! I'm here to remind you of the usual crap that you spew fourth :D

Dude I'm having fun.

But much appreciated.
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 12:20
Dude I'm having fun.

But much appreciated.

Apologies, i just wanted to remind him of his failings :D have fun, i'll be watching to see where he takes this topic next ;)
Dimiscant
19-11-2004, 12:23
The US will continue to police the world as necessary because many countries ask for our aid, many other countries are self-destructive, and the UN is incapable of doing anything.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 12:24
China is not very co-operative, to be honest, they don't give a shit. And they have that damn veto right. But they could buy their oil from Russia, it's much closer anyway. (this is certainly out of the topic but I've been wondering why China hasn't been interested of the oil in Siberia, it's expensive, but it's getting more and more expensive anyway)

The world seems complicated if you absorb liberal network news (and newspapers/magazines) and are sucked into their conspiracy-think.

China, like all customers, buys at the lowest price.

China's veto (at the ineffectual UN) is meaningless.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 12:27
No, really how did that billion dollar trade work out for you?

I've been short on asia for a while.

Shortness is pervasive problem with liberals and lawyers.
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 12:28
China, like all customers, buys at the lowest price.


woah wait a minute! did you just say something with a tiny bit of truth in it?!?! what the hell is wrong with you?!
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 12:28
The world seems complicated if you absorb liberal network news (and newspapers/magazines) and are sucked into their conspiracy-think.

China, like all customers, buys at the lowest price.

China's veto (at the ineffectual UN) is meaningless.

I thought you wanted to speak to me.

Now answer my questions BL.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 12:29
Shortness is pervasive problem with liberals and lawyers.

Ah so you are an anti-american then. I thought so.
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 12:31
The world seems complicated if you absorb liberal network news (and newspapers/magazines) and are sucked into their conspiracy-think.

China, like all customers, buys at the lowest price.

China's veto (at the ineffectual UN) is meaningless.
Liberal network news? Such as? We don't have liberal or conservative or leftist news around here, we have news.
World is complicated anyway. I don't have a problem with that.
UN can't ban Sudan from trading as long as China vetoes against it. So it has an impact. Whether UN ban has any impact is a whole different issue.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 12:34
Shortness is pervasive problem with liberals and lawyers.


You don't even know what shorting isdo you?
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 12:35
btw Has any of you read anything about this Israeli soldiers playing with dead Palestinians scandal? It was mentioned (briefly) in a finnish newspaper but I can't find the story in any English sites. They have published some pictures in Jediot Ahronot
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 12:35
The US will continue to police the world as necessary because many countries ask for our aid, many other countries are self-destructive, and the UN is incapable of doing anything.

Thanks for your comment. There are too few unbrainwashed comments on the internet. I guess we are too busy supervising our yacht-washers. Liberals have plenty of "free" time, since their monthly welfare checks can now be deposited via internet.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 12:37
btw Has any of you read anything about this Israeli soldiers playing with dead Palestinians scandal? It was mentioned (briefly) in a finnish newspaper but I can't find the story in any English sites. They have published some pictures in Jediot Ahronot

Check with AllJerksHearYa.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 12:40
Thanks for your comment. There are too few unbrainwashed comments on the internet. I guess we are too busy supervising our yacht-washers. Liberals have plenty of "free" time, since their monthly welfare checks can now be deposited via internet.

That's right. Avoid anything that puts you in your place.

Actually my cadillac is getting a little grubby. Do you need a job?
Helioterra
19-11-2004, 12:41
Check with AllJerksHearYa.
Sorry, no matching sites. Any other suggestions?
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 12:42
You don't even know what shorting isdo you?

I know you can do better than that. To (almost) quote AlGore in 2000, 'Everything that should be up is down'.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 12:45
Sorry, no matching sites. Any other suggestions?

Try the back side of a gunSite.
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 12:47
Try the back side of a gunSite.

as long as you're at the front end and the gun is loaded :sniper:
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 12:50
That's right. Avoid anything that puts you in your place.

Actually my cadillac is getting a little grubby. Do you need a job?

My last Cad was a '66 (great boat). Lately, I only deal with Mercedes S+. Take your grubCad to the welfare office on Dec. 1 (when the checks arrive) and someone will buy it, unwashed.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 12:52
I know you can do better than that. To (almost) quote AlGore in 2000, 'Everything that should be up is down'.


Well you don't, do you? You have no idea about the whole thing.

But you know what, go make those unregistered trades. I've heard that chinese prisons are lovely.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 12:53
My last Cad was a '66 (great boat). Lately, I only deal with Mercedes S+. Take your grubCad to the welfare office on Dec. 1 (when the checks arrive) and someone will buy it, unwashed.

Cadillacs rule. Only eurotrash drives Mercedes.

Edit: that means you BL, you eurotrash. Probably a 190 too.
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 12:55
My last Cad was a '66 (great boat). Lately, I only deal with Mercedes S+. Take your grubCad to the welfare office on Dec. 1 (when the checks arrive) and someone will buy it, unwashed.

Mercedes...well for a moron at least you have good taste...pity you have to buy cars made by a lefty liberal country isn't it? I bet that doesn't make you happy...
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 12:55
as long as you're at the front end and the gun is loaded :sniper:

Hey Dave, this guy named himself "Socialist Dictionaries". Can you help me sue him for Copyright Infringement.
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 12:56
Hey Dave, this guy named himself "Socialist Dictionaries". Can you help me sue him for Copyright Infringement.

hehehe, and how do you plan to do that when theres no copyright?
Kellarly
19-11-2004, 12:57
Cads rule. Only eurotrash drives Mercedes.

Dude, mercs rule as well, well the european specs do anyways :D
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 12:59
Dude, mercs rule as well, well the european specs do anyways :D

The DTS out performs any german car.

TG me and I will explain.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 12:59
Mercedes...well for a moron at least you have good taste...pity you have to buy cars made by a lefty liberal country isn't it? I bet that doesn't make you happy...

Mercedes doesn't employ lefty-liberals. They prefer welfare.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:00
Mercedes doesn't employ lefty-liberals. They prefer welfare.

As I suspected.

You are a communist.
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 13:01
Mercedes doesn't employ lefty-liberals. They prefer welfare.

Really, don't they? Wrong answer, i'm working for them right now, here in the very office i am sitting in, oh and guess what, yup you guessed it, i voted Liberal Democrat at the last elections, which makes me a lefty-liberal employed by mercedes.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:01
Hey Dave, this guy named himself "Socialist Dictionaries". Can you help me sue him for Copyright Infringement.


You can't afford it; welfare person.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:03
Dude, mercs rule as well, well the european specs do anyways :D

If VO gets back from picking up his welfare check soon, the whole gang will be here.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:05
You can't afford it; welfare person.

Strike two, and getting weaker.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:05
If VO gets back from picking up his welfare check soon, the whole gang will be here.

So do you want to do this thing or not. The copyright infringement, or are you so poor you can't afford a lawyer?
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:08
Really, don't they? Wrong answer, i'm working for them right now, here in the very office i am sitting in, oh and guess what, yup you guessed it, i voted Liberal Democrat at the last elections, which makes me a lefty-liberal employed by mercedes.

It's required by Germany's "Equal Employment For Useless Lefty Liberals" law.
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 13:10
It's required by Germany's "Equal Employment For Useless Lefty Liberals" law.

:rolleyes:

Oh by the way, who says i am in germany? FYI i'm not, but as to where i am its non of your business really.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:10
It's required by Germany's "Equal Employment For Useless Lefty Liberals" law.

Eh?

That's not right?


Do you won't to retain me as part of the socialist dictionary fiasco, or not?
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 13:12
Eh?

That's not right?


Do you won't to retain me as part of the socialist dictionary fiasco, or not?

Nope, you're correct, thats not right. he's just being a moron again.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:12
So do you want to do this thing or not. The copyright infringement, or are you so poor you can't afford a lawyer?

I believe in competition. I hire 2 (or more) ambulance-chasers on contingency. The one who wins the most NET for me gets paid.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:15
I believe in competition. I hire 2 (or more) ambulance-chasers on contingency. The one who wins the most NET for me gets paid.

This isn't ambulance chasing, this is comercial law. No contigency. So are we going to do this thing or are you a pussy?

BTW 2.25 hours to the big market opening. I hope you have your trades in.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:19
well come on BL, shit or get off the pot.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:19
:rolleyes:

Oh by the way, who says i am in germany? FYI i'm not, but as to where i am its non of your business really.

1. Who cares.
2. Dave can have his PI find out.
3. You are paid by Germans.
4. They get double "socialist" points if you voted for Kerry and his "African" wife. (By the way, Dave, she made Johnny sign a pre-nup. Who's the smart one in that Fumbly.)
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 13:22
1. Who cares.
2. Dave can have his PI find out.
3. You are paid by Germans.
4. They get double "socialist" points if you voted for Kerry and his "African" wife. (By the way, Dave, she made Johnny sign a pre-nup. Who's the smart one in that Fumbly.)

No, the money i get paid by comes from the sales of cars in the country i am in, that money is in a back account in this country and then gets transferred in my wage packet, so no money from germany.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:23
1. Who cares.
2. Dave can have his PI find out.
3. You are paid by Germans.
4. They get double "socialist" points if you voted for Kerry and his "African" wife. (By the way, Dave, she made Johnny sign a pre-nup. Who's the smart one in that Fumbly.)

C'mon you were all gung-ho a minute ago about buying your name back. I'll do it if you want. Speak to me BL.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:23
well come on BL, shit or get off the pot.

Strike Three. You must be an alien who took over Dave's brain cell. He used to be much better.
Rudenstein
19-11-2004, 13:27
It is rather idealistic to think that if the US withdraws from the world, all would be better for itself. It is a bit more complicated than that. As desirable as it would be for any nation to let others lie and to tend to our own problems, the reality is withdrawl from the world could be more problematic than engaging in all its problems. The unfortunate aspect of this is based on the US' position in the world (i.e. the largest economy - and consumer - globally, one of the most advanced nations globally, and the US' deep entrenchment in areas of global economics, development and security. It's position in the world is part voluntary and part enforced; nearly every nation, regardless of its capability, turns to the US for leadership on global issues and as arbitrator on areas of concern - in other words, the general mentality is that nothing has any real viability if the US does not officially participate. This goes for international laws, international institutions and the international economy. Personally, I think the world has placed so much emphasis on these international institutions and structures that there is now a general fear and concern that once these institutions begin to crumble so will the world's relative peace and security. It is like a double-edged sword - your damned if you do and you are damned if you don't.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:27
No, the money i get paid by comes from the sales of cars in the country i am in, that money is in a back account in this country and then gets transferred in my wage packet, so no money from germany.

Lighten up, please. And WHAT IS A WAGE PACKET?? It sounds infectuous.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:27
Strike Three. You must be an alien who took over Dave's brain cell. He used to be much better.


Oh, very good. So it's just more lies then?
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:31
I believe in competition. I hire 2 (or more) ambulance-chasers on contingency. The one who wins the most NET for me gets paid.

You are one of those gay-homosexuals that always changes its opinion, aren't you?

You should try and be less disgusting on an open board, pervert.
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 13:31
Lighten up, please. And WHAT IS A WAGE PACKET?? It sounds infectuous.

you seriously don't know what a wage packet is!??! its another name for the MONEY I EARN from my JOB that i get every month.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:31
It is rather idealistic to think that if the US withdraws from the world, all would be better for itself. It is a bit more complicated than that. As desirable as it would be for any nation to let others lie and to tend to our own problems, the reality is withdrawl from the world could be more problematic than engaging in all its problems. The unfortunate aspect of this is based on the US' position in the world (i.e. the largest economy - and consumer - globally, one of the most advanced nations globally, and the US' deep entrenchment in areas of global economics, development and security. It's position in the world is part voluntary and part enforced; nearly every nation, regardless of its capability, turns to the US for leadership on global issues and as arbitrator on areas of concern - in other words, the general mentality is that nothing has any real viability if the US does not officially participate. This goes for international laws, international institutions and the international economy. Personally, I think the world has placed so much emphasis on these international institutions and structures that there is now a general fear and concern that once these institutions begin to crumble so will the world's relative peace and security. It is like a double-edged sword - your damned if you do and you are damned if you don't.

Good one,(really). I noticed that this is your first post. Don't be intimidated by all on the BLIND LIBERALS on this site. That's why I own the name.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:35
you seriously don't know what a wage packet is!??! its another name for the MONEY I EARN from my JOB that i get every month.

Does it come to you in a special sealed packet? By UPS (United Packet Service)?
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:36
Good one,(really). I noticed that this is your first post. Don't be intimidated by all on the BLIND LIBERALS on this site. That's why I own the name.


BUT, you ignore all those who make you a fool. And then you go on to ignore my questions. Please try to stay on topic BlankLosers.
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 13:38
Good one,(really). I noticed that this is your first post. Don't be intimidated by all on the BLIND LIBERALS on this site. That's why I own the name.

Also don't listen to those who believe dictionaries are socialist proaganda material, hence why i own my name, despite possible legal objections! :rolleyes:
Socialist Dictionaries
19-11-2004, 13:38
Does it come to you in a special sealed packet? By UPS (United Packet Service)?

nevermind, if you really think that, you are extremely naive.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:39
Also don't listen to those who believe dictionaries are socialist proaganda material, hence why i own my name, despite possible legal objections! :rolleyes:


Well said. .
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:43
BUT, you ignore all those who make you a fool. And then you go on to ignore my questions. Please try to stay on topic BlankLosers.

I guess your Gore/Kerry lawyers recounted you last comment as a foul tip. So this is really strike three.

Also, have you ever had a serious question for me (or anyone)?
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:48
Well said. .

He needs all the help you can give (and much more).
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 13:49
I guess your Gore/Kerry lawyers recounted you last comment as a foul tip. So this is really strike three.

Also, have you ever had a serious question for me (or anyone)?

I am waiting for you to retain me BlankLoser.

You would benefit from my wise council - expensive though it is.

At least I know when markets open,
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 13:54
You are one of those gay-homosexuals that always changes its opinion, aren't you?

You should try and be less disgusting on an open board, pervert.

You seem overly concerned about homo-ism, and "open broads".
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 14:02
You seem overly concerned about homo-ism, and "open broads".

Proof of your perversion. You even found things that are disgusting that I didn’t see.

I hope you are happy, pervert, living in your constant world of sick homosexual perversion that no clean thinking person can follow. Stop harassing the people who voted against this with your gay marriage agenda.
Comdidia
19-11-2004, 14:05
They should retire from being world police and go on to some small security guard job protecting something like nova scotia or something.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 14:05
I am waiting for you to retain me BlankLoser.

You would benefit from my wise council - expensive though it is.

At least I know when markets open,

1. You need to be retained (, retrained, restrained, ___etc.)

2. Something that is expensive is OVERPRICED (look it up inside you friend, the socialist dictionary--youses seem compatible)

3. Capitalist markets are ALWAYS OPEN. Socialists are closed for any stupid excuse (but they still want full pay).
Jun Fan Lee
19-11-2004, 14:13
So you think we should stay involved as a military power?

I wasn't sugesting an isolationist policy, only that the US military should withdraw and that we should trade with other nations on equal terms.

That's fair enough, but you were saying that all peace-keeping forces should be removed around the world too I believe. I think that is no possible without a gradual reduction in activities and an attempt to address the reasons why "peace-keepers" are there. I don't think the US should continue it's self-serving military policy, but in the modern world it is unrealistic to expect the US to be able to have no military involvement anywhere in the world (assuming future involvement could be done in a way to serve the people of that nation, rather than US/EU interests)

And yes, I agree we should trade on equal terms, but that means a shift away from free-market to fair-market...which means you must be prepared to take a hit to your standard of living. That is something I am more than willing to accept as a consequence of no longer exploiting other people so mercilessly

Isolationism is not where we are going, here. But more of a representation of our interests at home, and not the representation of our role as a governing superpower. There is a difference.

And the poor are not a very big economic bonus for the US. Third world nations do not particularly provide strong markets for US corporations.

The US's entire foreign involvement is centred around serving interests at home. It is about securing stable resources bases and extracting wealth from poorer nations using "free-trade" agreements. It isn't about openning up 3rd world consumers to US products, it is about US corporations gaining control of local resources and gaining cheap labour. Countries have to open their borders to US corporations, while those nations themselves are barred from competing in the US market on an equal level. This puts the said nation into an inescapable cycle of debt and reliance on US corporations for employement, since local industries usually collapse.


Like invading other nations half a world away and replacing their governments? We can't make everyone happy, but we could at least stop pissing everyone off. I don't think we should withdraw from Iraq, we just need to stop blowing people up just because we don't agree.

I agree. But also there needs to be a real effort on the part of the US and EU (along with others like Japan and China), to increase global stability and security by reducing our effective exploitation of poorer people. This is not some myth, free-trade only serves the rich, and aggressive military interference/sanctions/threats against other countries is not a viable long-term policy.

A serious problem is the belief that the US or EU countries are somehow "advanced" relative to other countries, or superior. This is usually rooted in the belief that our complex and varied material possessions/creations somehow confer us with "advanced" status. This is simply not true, and that kind of thinking must be brought to an end. It is clear that we have accumulated wealth in our regions at the expense of others in the world, usually be deceptive means (such as forced free-trade and sanctions). The US has 52% of the entire world's population under economic sanctions
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 14:13
1. You need to be retained (, retrained, restrained, ___etc.)

2. Something that is expensive is OVERPRICED (look it up inside you friend, the socialist dictionary--youses seem compatible)

3. Capitalist markets are ALWAYS OPEN. Socialists are closed for any stupid excuse (but they still want full pay).


Boo-hoo, I can't afford a lawyer. It is just to expensive. So I will make up lies about how the system is rigged.

Again you are the socialist. You want free lawyers, don't you, socialist.


I thought you were rich or something? Apparently you are exaclty what we suspected all along. Someone in a trailer with no wherewithall to do anything .

And if you are what you claim, why is the "Hang ten" the "Hang ten"

Idiot.
Jeruselem
19-11-2004, 14:13
Being the worlds policeman that is.

...

Discuss.

US the world's policeman? More like world Mafia using thuggery and corruption to further it's own interests.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 14:16
That's fair enough, but you were saying that all peace-keeping forces should be removed around the world too I believe. I think that is no possible without a gradual reduction in activities and an attempt to address the reasons why "peace-keepers" are there. I don't think the US should continue it's self-serving military policy, but in the modern world it is unrealistic to expect the US to be able to have no military involvement anywhere in the world (assuming future involvement could be done in a way to serve the people of that nation, rather than US/EU interests)


Yes I think they should. it's not our business.

Leave it up to whoever is there and we should trade on an equal basis.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 14:17
US the world's policeman? More like world Mafia using thuggery and corruption to further it's own interests.


read the whole post.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 14:24
Proof of your perversion. You even found things that are disgusting that I didn’t see.

I hope you are happy, pervert, living in your constant world of sick homosexual perversion that no clean thinking person can follow. Stop harassing the people who voted against this with your gay marriage agenda.

You constantly misuse the word "PROOF". In science, the word has meaning. To liberal socialists and ambulance chasers the word is synonymous with "POOF" or "PUFF".

As you know, gayness is not tolerated by my decendents or ancestors (and I recommend teach against that mental illness). You constantly accuse (and claim "proof") of gayness in others. "Thou dost protest too much." Shakespeare proved that you are the gayist fairy of all.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 14:33
You constantly misuse the word "PROOF". In science, the word has meaning. To liberal socialists and ambulance chasers the word is synonymous with "POOF" or "PUFF".

As you know, gayness is not tolerated by my decendents or ancestors (and I recommend teach against that mental illness). You constantly accuse (and claim "proof") of gayness in others. "Thou dost protest too much." Shakespeare proved that you are the gayist fairy of all.

More evidence of your sad perversion. You even checked your family tree for homosexuality.You must then know, or suspect based upon your own disguting state, that you, and your family, are riddled with this sick perversion. I will pray for you in respect of your gayness. However your lies are still your own problem. I cannot cleanse you of lies that we both know that you told.


Please clean your life up BlankLoser.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 14:39
Boo-hoo, I can't afford a lawyer. It is just to expensive. So I will make up lies about how the system is rigged.

Again you are the socialist. You want free lawyers, don't you, socialist.


I thought you were rich or something? Apparently you are exaclty what we suspected all along. Someone in a trailer with no wherewithall to do anything .

And if you are what you claim, why is the "Hang ten" the "Hang ten"

Idiot.

1. Loser lawyers don't get paid.

2. You are the socialist commie lib.

3. If you were a qualified lawyer, I would pay you in advance to defend Kerry, O.J., Peterson, Hitler, Stalin, KoffeeAnanymous, etc. to be assured of their being convicted.

4. "What do you mean 'WE', white eyes." [As quoted by Tonto, to the Lone Ranger, in their last episode.]
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 14:47
3. If you were a qualified lawyer, I would pay you in advance to defend Kerry, O.J., Peterson, Hitler, Stalin, KoffeeAnanymous, etc. to be assured of their being convicted.



Well I take that as a retainer, TG me for details. Thank You.
BlindLiberals
19-11-2004, 14:53
More evidence of your sad perversion. You even checked your family tree for homosexuality.You must then know, or suspect based upon your own disguting state, that you, and your family, are riddled with this sick perversion. I will pray for you in respect of your gayness. However your lies are still your own problem. I cannot cleanse you of lies that we both know that you told.


Please clean your life up BlankLoser.

Your "evidence" shows that you are FOREVER DENSE. I have to go HangTen. Later to you, DunceyDupe.
DeaconDave
19-11-2004, 15:02
Your "evidence" shows that you are FOREVER DENSE. I have to go HangTen. Later to you, DunceyDupe.


Not open yet.


Take a deep breathe blindloser. And think about where you are putting your money.
I wouldn’t go play with overseas markets if I was you. That’s advanced.


Tho’ honestly a long position in the Yuan might not be bad
Siljhouettes
20-11-2004, 02:46
we can always gain what we need by paying for it, I don't see why we have to piss around making the rest of the world safe.
Most of the world policing that the US has done was to make the world safe... for your economic interests. It was done to gain what you need (or want).
Help us from this guy
20-11-2004, 04:03
wow BL and DD have been b*tching for so long I think people have lost interest

for the comments about the gun sight
if you are looking through the gun sightbackwards the barrel is pointing right at you and the other guy must be holding it up for you

can we get back to the topic and stop calling each other commies, liberals, socialists and gay?

stupid gay liberal socialist commies... ;)
CanuckHeaven
20-11-2004, 06:27
Being the worlds policeman that is.

I really believe that we should just stop worring about the rest of the world and take care of our own knitting. I think we should pull all our troops back home; stop "peace keeping" and use the money we save to develop a kick ass border defense.

If there is a regional problem, then that is the problem of the region: not ours. We are the richest nation on earth, and we can always gain what we need by paying for it, I don't see why we have to piss around making the rest of the world safe.

Now, I understand that there is an Isreal problem, but I sugeest that or withdrawl from the world should involve some kind of guarantee that Isreal is still under the US's protection provided no more territory is taken. But other than that; finis, it's over.

Discuss.
It would be hard to convince Bush of your intentions.....he is too busy carving out an empire. :eek:
BlindLiberals
20-11-2004, 06:28
wow BL and DD have been b*tching for so long I think people have lost interest

for the comments about the gun sight
if you are looking through the gun sightbackwards the barrel is pointing right at you and the other guy must be holding it up for you

can we get back to the topic and stop calling each other commies, liberals, socialists and gay?

stupid gay liberal socialist commies... ;)

1. You have 1 post, and its not even on-topic. Who elected "help US..." to speak for WE the "people [who] have lost interest". If you have "lost interest", move your ASSets to an FDIC-Insured bank.

2. Congratulations! You passed the "Gun Site" boot camp test.

3. Your first combat mission is:
A. Load the gun with live ammo.
B. Resume sighting backwards.
C. Order the "other guy" to fire by squeezing the trigger SLOWLY until he hears a loud noise. [If he objects, tell him "I am in charge, because I passed the Boot Camp Test and you didn't".]
D. Report the results immediately to We The People. [If you are too busy, order OTHER GUY to file the report.]
E. OOPS, tell OTHER GUY about "Official Reporting Requirements" BEFORE step C, or you will not get full credit, and you may have to repeat this mission (after CBS airs the video, and completion of an "Official UN Investigation").

4. Good Luck, comrade. "WE" are hoping that you succeed on your first attempt (because WE have many more liberals that need advanced training). WE ARE (almost) ALL BEHIND YOU ON THIS MISSION.

5. Tell DeaconDave to review his personal telegrams received on 19nov2004.
WorkForMe
20-11-2004, 06:57
1. You have 1 post, and its not even on-topic. Who elected "help US..." to speak for WE the "people [who] have lost interest". If you have "lost interest", move your ASSets to an FDIC-Insured bank.

2. Congratulations! You passed the "Gun Site" boot camp test.

3. Your first combat mission is:
A. Load the gun with live ammo.
B. Resume sighting backwards.
C. Order the "other guy" to fire by squeezing the trigger SLOWLY until he hears a loud noise. [If he objects, tell him "I am in charge, because I passed the Boot Camp Test and you didn't".]
D. Report the results immediately to We The People. [If you are too busy, order OTHER GUY to file the report.]
E. OOPS, tell OTHER GUY about "Official Reporting Requirements" BEFORE step C, or you will not get full credit, and you may have to repeat this mission (after CBS airs the video, and completion of an "Official UN Investigation").

4. Good Luck, comrade. "WE" are hoping that you succeed on your first attempt (because WE have many more liberals that need advanced training). WE ARE (almost) ALL BEHIND YOU ON THIS MISSION.

5. Tell DeaconDave to review his personal telegrams received on 19nov2004.

I have many comrades who need your boot camp and advanced training courses. How do I get the liberal news media to convince them to sign-up for you wonderful FREE benefits. They are all deliberately unemployed (using HowToFailAnyJobInterview.leach), and they all have PhD's in SWAB (Successful Welfare Applications + Benefits) from the University of MASS (Most Available Socialist Stipends).
KZZYZX
20-11-2004, 07:10
Not open yet.


Take a deep breathe blindloser. And think about where you are putting your money.
I wouldn’t go play with overseas markets if I was you. That’s advanced.


Tho’ honestly a long position in the Yuan might not be bad

Is this a conservative comedy site? It's pretty good; but the title attracts mostly people who are offended (and don't "get it").
Democratic Nationality
20-11-2004, 08:30
Being the worlds policeman that is.

I really believe that we should just stop worring about the rest of the world and take care of our own knitting. I think we should pull all our troops back home; stop "peace keeping" and use the money we save to develop a kick ass border defense.

If there is a regional problem, then that is the problem of the region: not ours. We are the richest nation on earth, and we can always gain what we need by paying for it, I don't see why we have to piss around making the rest of the world safe.

Now, I understand that there is an Isreal problem, but I sugeest that or withdrawl from the world should involve some kind of guarantee that Isreal is still under the US's protection provided no more territory is taken. But other than that; finis, it's over.

Discuss.

The middle east is Israel's problem, not ours, but the neocons in the Bush administration - supporters of Israel to a man, make it our problem.

Now the neocon media, like Fox News, is every day emphasizing Iran's nuclear capability. This is not a threat to us, but it's maybe a threat to Israel. But who cares about Israel? Why is Israel so important to America?

It probably won't be too long before the neocons have their way and we'll take some kind of military action against Iran - to save Israel. No matter that American lives will be lost in the process.

It's not a coincidence that a majority of prominent neocons are Jewish. In other words, what do you expect? They just don't care about how many crazy wars they engage us in - just keep Israel safe, that's their motto, whatever the cost to America.
Tigranistan
20-11-2004, 08:44
...okay, so you dont wanna retaliate against terrorism huh?

you cant stop terrorism till you stop the people doing it, you cant defend against it, at least not unless you say 'screw privacy' and dont let foreigners into your country.

why are people so angry with George bush for fighting terrorism? i think thats all he wants to do... now the rest of americas authority, they could be taking advantage of the situation.
Deeelo
20-11-2004, 09:37
The middle east is Israel's problem, not ours, but the neocons in the Bush administration - supporters of Israel to a man, make it our problem.

Now the neocon media, like Fox News, is every day emphasizing Iran's nuclear capability. This is not a threat to us, but it's maybe a threat to Israel. But who cares about Israel? Why is Israel so important to America?

It probably won't be too long before the neocons have their way and we'll take some kind of military action against Iran - to save Israel. No matter that American lives will be lost in the process.

It's not a coincidence that a majority of prominent neocons are Jewish. In other words, what do you expect? They just don't care about how many crazy wars they engage us in - just keep Israel safe, that's their motto, whatever the cost to America.
I thought you shot yourself in 1945.
BlindLiberals
20-11-2004, 09:44
Is this a conservative comedy site? It's pretty good; but the title attracts mostly people who are offended (and don't "get it").

Yes, where is the other side.