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Lawmaker tries to block mental-health screening
Rep. Paul offers language to require parental consent for evaluating kids

World Net Daily
Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is making a final attempt this week to lessen the impact of a new program that calls for all the nation's children to be screened for mental-health problems, offering language to the federal omnibus spending bill that would require parental consent before such testing could be done.

As WorldNetDaily reported, in September Paul attempted to have the program removed from Labor, HHS and Education Appropriations Act. His amendment failed the House of Representatives by a vote of 95-315.

This week, Paul offered the following language to the omnibus bill:

"None of the funds made available for State Incentive Grants for Transformation should be used for any programs of mandatory or universal mental-health screening that performs mental-health screening on anyone under 18 years of age without the express, written permission of the parents or legal guardians of each individual involved."

The program in question was proposed by the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, which President Bush established in 2002. The New Freedom Initiative recommends screening not only for children but eventually for every American.

Critics of the plan say it is a thinly veiled attempt by drug companies to provide a wider market for high-priced antidepressants and antipsychotic medication, and puts government in areas of Americans' lives where it does not belong.

The congressman, who is known for his strict adherence to the Constitution, wrote in a letter to his colleagues before the September vote: "As you know, psychotropic drugs are increasingly prescribed for children who show nothing more than children's typical rambunctious behavior. Many children have suffered harmful effects from these drugs. Yet some parents have even been charged with child abuse for refusing to drug their children. The federal government should not promote national mental-health screening programs that will force the use of these psychotropic drugs such as Ritalin."

The New Freedom Commission found that "despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive mental-health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children.

Kent Snyder of the Paul-founded Liberty Committee explained in an e-mail alert to supporters that "key members of the House leadership attempted to add Dr. Paul's language to the omnibus spending bill, but some members of the Senate objected.

"So now the question of whether your kids can be subjected to forced psychological testing – and perhaps even forced drugging – rests in the hands of the U.S. Senate."

Snyder says the omnibus spending bill likely will be finalized tomorrow morning, and he encourages people to contact their U.S. senators to express support for the Paul language.

"Just as we convinced the House leadership to support the Paul language, we must now go to work to convince the Senate," said Snyder.

Talk-radio hosts Dr. Laura Schlessinger and G. Gordon Liddy have championed Paul's language and urged listeners to contact their senators.

No carp?

Hes really more of a Libertarian then a corporate whore republican

Aren't all Republicans evil?

And are you sure the real reason he opposes it is because its seen as one step closer to National Health Care?

Hes really more of a Libertarian then a corporate whore republican

That's true. He is one of the extremely few people in Congress that respects the constitution.

I wish Ron Paul was my congressman. :rolleyes:

Hes really more of a Libertarian then a corporate whore republican
Damn, I wish I had posted earlier to insult you over how you defended a Republican (JK)

In all seriousness tho, go R-Paul!

I find myself agreeing with MKULTRA's general point. I think the reasoning behind why I oppose it is different, but I agree with the general point.

Aren't all Republicans evil?

And are you sure the real reason he opposes it is because its seen as one step closer to National Health Care?
Libertarians are only economically evil but socially pure

That's true. He is one of the extremely few people in Congress that respects the constitution.
along with Robert Byrd

Politics aside, this Ritalin business is dangerous. They wanted to put me on that drug when I was in elementary, because I "had difficulty paying attention". Thank god my parents objected.

Is Ron Paul a libertarian or a paleo-conservative like Pat Buchanan? I've read he votes against nearly every spending increase, and criticizes the Iraq War.

Damn, I wish I had posted earlier to insult you over how you defended a Republican (JK)

In all seriousness tho, go R-Paul!
hes only a republican in name only

I find myself agreeing with MKULTRA's general point. I think the reasoning behind why I oppose it is different, but I agree with the general point.
why do you oppose it?

along with Robert Byrd
Robert Byrd broke with the Democrats and voted for the Federal Marriage Amendment (gay marriage ban).

That doesn't sound like respecting the constitution to me.

Isn't he the ex-KKK member?

Robert Byrd broke with the Democrats and voted for the Federal Marriage Amendment (gay marriage ban).

That doesn't sound like respecting the constitution to me.

Isn't he the ex-KKK member?
Yep, or something like that.

Politics aside, this Ritalin business is dangerous. They wanted to put me on that drug when I was in elementary, because I "had difficulty paying attention". Thank god my parents objected.

Is Ron Paul a libertarian or a paleo-conservative like Pat Buchanan? I've read he votes against nearly every spending increase, and criticizes the Iraq War.
hes a paleo- libertarian and its good your parents saved you from ritalin induced teenage suicide--children should only take healing herbs like marijuana not corporate toxins

What the hell is economically evil? Do you have a clue as to what those words mean?

And if there is such a thing and it means "you earn it, you keep it", then I want want to be Salary Satan.

And I have never heard of ritalin inducing suicide. I don't think its too healthy and we should avoid it, but its not suicidal.

Robert Byrd broke with the Democrats and voted for the Federal Marriage Amendment (gay marriage ban).

That doesn't sound like respecting the constitution to me.

Isn't he the ex-KKK member?
Oh I didnt know he did that.. and yeah hes an ex member unlike so many republicans of today who are still current members of racist organizations

What the hell is economically evil? Do you have a clue as to what those words mean?

And if there is such a thing and it means "you earn it, you keep it", then I want want to be Salary Satan.

And I have never heard of ritalin inducing suicide. I don't think its too healthy and we should avoid it, but its not suicidal.
no it means the kind of corporate communism that republicans support today globally

Do you even know what Libertarianism is? You called it economically evil. Define that without rhetoric.

And aren't there rules about spamming?

Do you even know what Libertarianism is? You called it economically evil. Define that without rhetoric.

And aren't there rules about spamming?
Libertarians believe that large corporations should have zero regulations placed against them-also there prolly is a rule against spam but I usually dont read those kinda threads anyway so it doesnt effect me--altho I wouldnt want to violate the rights of spammers either

Spamming is not a right.

You should read the rules because they apply to you. Other board members have been kicked because of what you are doing. And the mods can make it affect you.

I don't see how allowing people to determine what their own economic destiny is evil.

Spamming is not a right.

You should read the rules because they apply to you. Other board members have been kicked because of what you are doing. And the mods can make it affect you.

I don't see how allowing people to determine what their own economic destiny is evil.
corporate conglomerazation denys people the choice of their own economic futures and what am I doing thats in anyway related to spamming?

I don't see what libretarianism has to do with "conglomerazation"

And read the rules of the board your damn self.

Libertarians are only economically evil but socially pure



The problem with libertarian economics is that it is essentially anarchist.

No taxes or gov't programs = third world country.
Fact of life.

Surely one of MKULTRA's best ever thread titles! I laughed out loud for 5 minutes!

I'm not going into the "evil" or "pure" argument, but the fact is only the libertarians and greens stick up for our civil rights anymore.

In any case, there are moderate libertarians who are far from anarchists.

Libretarianism as I understand it believes there is a place for government, just that it is a great deal smaller than most of us think.

And, Siljhouettes, look for the one about the fighter jet in New Jersey. That was a real whopper of a title.

Surely one of MKULTRA's best ever thread titles! I laughed out loud for 5 minutes!
Its not funny --its TRUE

hes a paleo- libertarian and its good your parents saved you from ritalin induced teenage suicide--children should only take healing herbs like marijuana not corporate toxins

I'll have to put in an objection here, as someone who was actually correctly diagnosed with ADHD. Yes, Ritalin is prescribed way too frequently for children who don't actually have such a disorder, but there's nothing inherently evil or dangerous about it.

I'm under the impression that 90% of the kids who have "attention deficit" are really just, you know, IMAGINATIVE. I mean, come on. When did having the ability to daydream become a malfunction?

I'm under the impression that 90% of the kids who have "attention deficit" are really just, you know, IMAGINATIVE. I mean, come on. When did having the ability to daydream become a malfunction?
when it became a threat to the corporate state

when it became a threat to the corporate state

I'm not sure how daydreaming could be perceived as a threat, though the financial gains involved in selling drugs to kids on the supposed notion that they need them is evident.

I'm not sure how daydreaming could be perceived as a threat, though the financial gains involved in selling drugs to kids on the supposed notion that they need them is evident.
because people who can imagine a better world can also create one-thats where the threat emerges

I'm under the impression that 90% of the kids who have "attention deficit" are really just, you know, IMAGINATIVE. I mean, come on. When did having the ability to daydream become a malfunction?

When you cant stop Daydreaming no matter how hard you try. Mental problems are very real.
But so are the mega bucks made of treatment ;)

I'm under the impression that 90% of the kids who have "attention deficit" are really just, you know, IMAGINATIVE. I mean, come on. When did having the ability to daydream become a malfunction?

The problem, at least as I've experienced it, has nothing to do with daydreaming. It's the brain trying to pay attention to everything simultaneously.

I don't give a S*** about the motives on either side. I know my kid and if he needs psychological "screening" he'll get it, at my option and from a psychologist that I choose. To require that my kid get a "psychological checkup" from a government appointed psychologist is crap!!! Haven't we been down this road before with forced sterilization of "retards" and institutionalization of "mentally deficiant" people? Now we're going after the kids to get them reliant on mind altering drugs in order to be "acceptable" and "functional" Lets just all be robots with no unique thoughts, talents, etc. God knows the idea of "difference" in people is repulsive. I love you Big Brother!!

hes a paleo- libertarian and its good your parents saved you from ritalin induced teenage suicide--children should only take healing herbs like marijuana not corporate toxins :D

MKULTRA, I think your a bit scared of corporations, I mean tsjill, it's not like the government is any better. Corporations try to take advantage of you, true. However they need you, they need you to consume their stuff and to do that they have to offer good services and pay you enough salary to consume their stuff.

I'm getting sick of all the corporate bashing, if you don't like corporations, then move to f*cking North-Korea! Wait, no you'll probably starve to death. Stop your dreaming about some giant government state, just take a look at China during Maoism (starvation,) and take a look at China when they introduced Capitalism (a giant economic power which might just become stronger then the US)

Oh and Ron Paul kicks ass.

MKULTRA, I think your a bit scared of corporations, I mean tsjill, it's not like the government is any better. Corporations try to take advantage of you, true. However they need you, they need you to consume their stuff and to do that they have to offer good services and pay you enough salary to consume their stuff.

I'm getting sick of all the corporate bashing, if you don't like corporations, then move to f*cking North-Korea! Wait, no you'll probably starve to death. Stop your dreaming about some giant government state, just take a look at China during Maoism (starvation,) and take a look at China when they introduced Capitalism (a giant economic power which might just become stronger then the US)

Oh and Ron Paul kicks ass.
I wish all the corporations would go to North Korea and restore economic democracy in America

I'm under the impression that 90% of the kids who have "attention deficit" are really just, you know, IMAGINATIVE. I mean, come on. When did having the ability to daydream become a malfunction?
when it became a threat to the corporate state
I actually agree with MKULTRA on this one. Imaginitive kids pose a threat to the banality of American society. It's become so engrained that the government doesn't even need to enforce it. The people enforce it on themselves.

I wish all the corporations would go to North Korea and restore economic democracy in America
Restore? It never really existed. The only time you ever came remotely close was during the presidencies of Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, and maybe the first few presidents.

Ron Paul is one reason I support cloning.

God bless Dr. NO

I wish all the corporations would go to North Korea and restore economic democracy in America

What in the hell is "economic democracy"?

What in the hell is "economic democracy"?
it existed under FDR--its basically an econonmy that works for the people and not one that works exclusively for the parasite class

Hand outs? Hand outs are economic democracy?

I'm not trying to bash FDR here, but the only thing I can think of the MKULTRA is refering to is that he began a full blown welfare program. Thats hardly democratic. Seeing as to how democracy is a system of politics and not economics........

Well it seems that "economic democracy" is one of those funny words, like "social justice", that means both everything and nothing.

I currently vote with my dollars. Sounds fairly democratic to me.