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If Britain was to legalise gun ownership, thus opening up hundreds of gunshops across the nation, would you go out and buy one?

Not British. Israeli. Same gun laws, really (based on UK law).

And yes.

Not one, though.

More like 10.

Maybe for sport, certainly not for defence or to keep at home!

Nope, caus swords are way cooler :D

Probably not.

But I'd like to get one. I like shooting at targets

If I wanted to go and get my lisence I could go and purchase a rifle of some sort here but I've never felt any desire to.

I'm one of those dirty Americans you hear so much about, and I despise our weapons "industry." It's sad that this is an industry at all. I would never buy a gun (although paintball is kind of fun :) )

Paintballing is great fun i have to agree, but i think i would feel much more secure with a Desert Eagle on my bedside cabinet. It wouldn't have to be loaded, but it would scare the hell out of anyone that broke in! :D

definitely "yes" and friday evenings would become semi-public holidays where the preferred activity would be driving round our cities and towns, dealing out death to anything in a burberry cap or tracksuits tucked into socks.

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I'm one of those dirty Americans you hear so much about, and I despise our weapons "industry." It's sad that this is an industry at all. I would never buy a gun (although paintball is kind of fun :) )


Let's trade places, mate. You get to live in Israel, where, despite reports, gun laws are among the most draconian in the West, I get your citizenship.

Paintballing is great fun i have to agree, but i think i would feel much more secure with a Desert Eagle on my bedside cabinet. It wouldn't have to be loaded, but it would scare the hell out of anyone that broke in! :D


The only thing dumber than pulling no gun on somebody is to pull an empty gun. Then when they pull their own gun (which is quite likely loaded) you have nothing to shoot them with.

The only thing dumber than pulling no gun on somebody is to pull an empty gun. Then when they pull their own gun (which is quite likely loaded) you have nothing to shoot them with.

Technically, DA, it is estimated that in the oppressive majority of armed self-defense cases, success is achieved without anybody (even the criminal) being killed. Intimidation is generally sufficient.

That's what the samurai sword (unfortunately not authentic) on the wall is for! And besides, where i live no-one is smart enough to bring their own gun. :D

definitely "yes" and friday evenings would become semi-public holidays where the preferred activity would be driving round our cities and towns, dealing out death to anything in a burberry cap or tracksuits tucked into socks.

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ohhh now the idea is tempting :D

Well we would have to wouldnt we, if any bigot could get a gun you would need a gun to keep the scallys away. :sniper:

Murder rate would be up thats for sure...

Gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right in the US. The second amendment to the Bill of Rights. I own several.

I am surprised that Israelis who fought for their independence with guns don't have this right.

Gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right in the US. The second amendment to the Bill of Rights. I own several.

I am surprised that Israelis who fought for their independence with guns don't have this right.

The constitutions all screwy anyway because of the way its worded. You have the 'right to bear arms' which in theory means its your constitutional right to own an H-bomb...

I would buy one, but only to murder neighborhood pets. I wouldn't actually use it on people... err well, except annoying little kids, I'd kill them too.

Only one??? I'd be collecting them...

I'm in the US, and I don't have a gun now, but I will probably get one eventually. When my family lived in the UK, my father owned a shotgun.

He managed to never kill anyone with it. I'm hoping I'll be able to match his record.

definitely "yes" and friday evenings would become semi-public holidays where the preferred activity would be driving round our cities and towns, dealing out death to anything in a burberry cap or tracksuits tucked into socks.

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Do you need a hand ? :sniper:

No I would not buy a gun.

I am responsible enough to own one.

Only the people i do not like would die.

Problem is i am not trained. If you do not know what you are doing it's more dangerous to own one

I own many guns. Plan to get more guns. In states where concealed carry is legal, crime has went down. Guns are a good thing. God made man, but Colt made man equal.

Technically, DA, it is estimated that in the oppressive majority of armed self-defense cases, success is achieved without anybody (even the criminal) being killed. Intimidation is generally sufficient.

That is absolutely the worst idea ever. Never, EVER pull a gun on someone unless you are prepared to use it. They aren't fucking toys that you should be waving around indiscriminately at anyone you want to give a good scare. They are deadly weapons.

Oh, and to answer the question, I'm one of those gun-totting Americans, and I own three.

Technically, DA, it is estimated that in the oppressive majority of armed self-defense cases, success is achieved without anybody (even the criminal) being killed. Intimidation is generally sufficient.


Yes, I know, and often the intimidation takes the form of a "warning shot".

That is absolutely the worst idea ever. Never, EVER pull a gun on someone unless you are prepared to use it. They aren't fucking toys that you should be waving around indiscriminately at anyone you want to give a good scare. They are deadly weapons.



You should be prepared to use it, no doubt. But you should also try to avoid using it to the last. If you are prepared to use it, you will probably not have to.

Do you need a hand ? :sniper:
YES!! We should then extend the legalisation of firearms to 'nova seeking', shoulder launched missiles with which to seek and destroy the vehicles which plague our land!!

I'm still working out a method for the 'nova seeking' part of this but as an initial proposal the missile should lock on to excessive vibrations emanating from the boot of any small car with an abnormally large exhaust pipe.

My eventual aim is to replace the soon-to-be banned practice of fox-hunting with this form of chav-culling. We can widen the motorways of Britain to allow more cars to drive abreast. The offending car should be given a slight headstart before the pack give chase, riddling the skivmobile with bullets before the appointed hunt leader writes the car off with my proposed Stinger (nova version).

I shall be submitting these proposals to the government as soon as I am released from my sojourn at her majesty's pleasure.

YES!! We should then extend the legalisation of firearms to 'nova seeking', shoulder launched missiles with which to seek and destroy the vehicles which plague our land!!

I'm still working out a method for the 'nova seeking' part of this but as an initial proposal the missile should lock on to excessive vibrations emanating from the boot of any small car with an abnormally large exhaust pipe.

My eventual aim is to replace the soon-to-be banned practice of fox-hunting with this form of chav-culling. We can widen the motorways of Britain to allow more cars to drive abreast. The offending car should be given a slight headstart before the pack give chase, riddling the skivmobile with bullets before the appointed hunt leader writes the car off with my proposed Stinger (nova version).

I shall be submitting these proposals to the government as soon as I am released from my sojourn at her majesty's pleasure.

LOL, now that should be made law, i will personally kit out my car with a MG to take out Novas, Corsas and any other cars driven by scallies

The constitutions all screwy anyway because of the way its worded. You have the 'right to bear arms' which in theory means its your constitutional right to own an H-bomb...

It's not worded screwy. That's the way it was intended. For the citizens of the US to be able to defend against their own government. Not to defend themselves from the citizenry (though it works out that way as well).

I'm in the US, and I don't have a gun now, but I will probably get one eventually. When my family lived in the UK, my father owned a shotgun.

He managed to never kill anyone with it. I'm hoping I'll be able to match his record.

Most people do. We have 80,000,000 gun owners in the US. Funny how the legally owned weapons aren't used in too many crimes....

tracksuits tucked into socks.

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Hahaha....you're kidding me; people do that?

Technically, DA, it is estimated that in the oppressive majority of armed self-defense cases, success is achieved without anybody (even the criminal) being killed. Intimidation is generally sufficient.

'Generally', notice it doesn't say always. it's a better idea, I think, to have it loaded and not shoot. That way if they don't wet themselves when you point it at them you don't become a statistic. Personally I don't feel the need to own a gun, but if I ever changed my mind I would certianly want the right to get one.

No way in hell i would buy a gun. If someone broke in and i pointed a gun at them, they'd probably say "You wouldn't use that," 'cos guns are noisy and people would hear. Whereas if i had a Katana, no one would argue as they are silent, and anyone holding one looks bloody scary. I mean are YOU going to argue with THIS?

http://www.nitroplus.co.jp/pc/ranking/gunimage/katana.jpg

No way in hell i would buy a gun. If someone broke in and i pointed a gun at them, they'd probably say "You wouldn't use that," 'cos guns are noisy and people would hear. Whereas if i had a Katana, no one would argue as they are silent, and anyone holding one looks bloody scary. I mean are YOU going to argue with THIS?

http://www.nitroplus.co.jp/pc/ranking/gunimage/katana.jpg

If I had a gun, I might. :D Then again, I'm not the type to go and break into someone else's home...

One shot isn't all that noisy. At 3AM, even if someone woke up, they wouldn't know what woke them. Noise from gun shots restricted to a single-family home don't get too far past the walls.

No way in hell i would buy a gun. If someone broke in and i pointed a gun at them, they'd probably say "You wouldn't use that," 'cos guns are noisy and people would hear. Whereas if i had a Katana, no one would argue as they are silent, and anyone holding one looks bloody scary. I mean are YOU going to argue with THIS?

http://www.nitroplus.co.jp/pc/ranking/gunimage/katana.jpg

If someone else broke into your house, would you really care about how much noise your gun makes? If anything, you'd want it to be loud as hell to scare any others off.

I mean are YOU going to argue with THIS?

Sure. If I had one of THESE http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/smg/uzi/uzi.jpg

;)

Ok. Good point, BUT, i'm pretty sure in the time it takes you o take it out, i'll have sliced you in two. :D

The constitutions all screwy anyway because of the way its worded. You have the 'right to bear arms' which in theory means its your constitutional right to own an H-bomb...

That is a large and incorrect misconception, at the time of righting, arms were but a soldiers arms. A rifle and pistol, no more no less, unless of course you've got friends in the BATF.

edit: i really feel sorry for the people that think a replica showcase sword would scare anyone carrying a .38, they run the risk of being caught in a hurry, but they've got distance and slightly more leverage that a fake edge weapon. And please to save yourself some respect, don't say "DEAGLE D00DZ!", the desert eagle is a stupid gotdamn gun and IMI doesn't even make them anymore.

well i say that guns are a good thing, for one the two biggest things a gov, has to cow a populace is make them undereducated and illiterate, and weaponless with no way to defend themselves, that in itself is a reason for guns to be a good thing, another reason is that most crime is committed with illeagaly owned weapons any way, meaining that no matter what country your in criminals that want to kill people will have guns, so why not be able to end them before they can end you, thirdly guns are extreamly amusing things, and no matter what anybody says, guns can be used as toys, ever heard of recreational hunting, or skeet shooting, i myself own a few guns so maybe im playing the part of the obsessed american redneck, who enjoys goin out back of his trailer and shooting at and old rust bucket full of teaddy bears with a shot gun (by the way i happen to be an open minded democrate, and hate rednecks) but if you think so you can suck my speen, any way my friend is here to pick me up so ummmmmmmmm......... by. :mp5:

Well I am an american.

I do not own a weapon yet (roughly 90 days till my 21st B-day)

Though on my Shopping list is

AR-15/M-4 with the rail systems, collapsible stock, flash suppressor and Bayonet Lug

Springfield X-treme Duty .40 Cal

Kimber M-1911A1 Tactical version(what the Marine SoCom uses)

Beretta 92FS Just because

Remington 870 Magnum 18" barrel, 8 round tubular magazine in tactical black


Oh did I mention I'm also a member of one of those "organized Militias" AKA

OHIO ARMY NATIONAL GUARD.

but even if i was a former member, i can still field strip the AR and the Beretta with my eyes close and put both back together in about a minute and a half.

I think training to use weapons is a good thing.

and goddamnit they are fun to shoot.

oh and guy with sword, You have to swing the damn thing with at best a 3-4ft range. While if the someone is standing 6ft away(pretty close for any firearm) You=F.UCKED

Ok. Good point, BUT, i'm pretty sure in the time it takes you o take it out, i'll have sliced you in two. :D

Yup, within 21 feet the sword has the advantage.

If Britain was to legalise gun ownership, thus opening up hundreds of gunshops across the nation, would you go out and buy one?


Hold the phone....is it really illegal to own a gun in Britain?? Why? What is the penalty iF you do have one in your house?

Well I am an american.

I do not own a weapon yet (roughly 90 days till my 21st B-day)

Though on my Shopping list is

AR-15/M-4 with the rail systems, collapsible stock, flash suppressor and Bayonet Lug

Springfield X-treme Duty .40 Cal

Kimber M-1911A1 Tactical version(what the Marine SoCom uses)

Beretta 92FS Just because

Remington 870 Magnum 18" barrel, 8 round tubular magazine in tactical black


Oh did I mention I'm also a member of one of those "organized Militias" AKA

OHIO ARMY NATIONAL GUARD.

but even if i was a former member, i can still field strip the AR and the Beretta with my eyes close and put both back together in about a minute and a half.

I think training to use weapons is a good thing.

and goddamnit they are fun to shoot.

oh and guy with sword, You have to swing the damn thing with at best a 3-4ft range. While if the someone is standing 6ft away(pretty close for any firearm) You=F.UCKED

wow- thats quite a list. American here too, but I dont own a gun. Ive thought about it for home protection-like a shotgun or something. I think one of the scariest sounds ever is the sound a shotgun makes when you cock it or whatever you call it. "CH-CH" you know? You dont have to be a good shot either-just point and shoot. I have 2 children though so I probably will refrain from that. What about a stun gun or something? Do they make ones that you can use at a not so close range?

Yup, within 21 feet the sword has the advantage.


Explain that one to me.


How someone with a pistol cocked and locked 21 feet away, that has the oppurtunity to fire off probably 2-3 rounds before you get within Melee range would lose.

I'd understand maybe under 10 feet.


But 21ft. jesus h. christ man.

do you think anyone going to commit a crime without a round in the chamber or with the safety on? And especially if its a double action Pistol then you don't even need to cock the hammer.


Kill Bill= Fantasy not real life.

wow- thats quite a list. American here too, but I dont own a gun. Ive thought about it for home protection-like a shotgun or something. I think one of the scariest sounds ever is the sound a shotgun makes when you cock it or whatever you call it. "CH-CH" you know? You dont have to be a good shot either-just point and shoot. I have 2 children though so I probably will refrain from that. What about a stun gun or something? Do they make ones that you can use at a not so close range?


I'm pretty sure there are stun guns that will shoot out a wire with prongs on the end for a bit closer range.


the only one i'd use for home defense is a shotgun anyway. In close quarters fighting a good ol trench broom is perfect.

I'm pretty sure there are stun guns that will shoot out a wire with prongs on the end for a bit closer range.


the only one i'd use for home defense is a shotgun anyway. In close quarters fighting a good ol trench broom is perfect.

Oh well I'd probably end up tangled in the wires myself, so I'd better forget the stun gun. Whats a trench broom?

Oh well I'd probably end up tangled in the wires myself, so I'd better forget the stun gun. Whats a trench broom?

What they called Shotguns in WWI

Alley Sweeper
Street Howitzer
Trench Broom

there are many more nicknames but you get the idea.

What they called Shotguns in WWI

Alley Sweeper
Street Howitzer
Trench Broom

there are many more nicknames but you get the idea.

LOL- i see.

I own a Glock 27 and I carry it.

Explain that one to me.
How someone with a pistol cocked and locked 21 feet away, that has the oppurtunity to fire off probably 2-3 rounds before you get within Melee range would lose.
I'd understand maybe under 10 feet.
But 21ft. jesus h. christ man.


No prob. You're not going to run around life with said pistol cocked and locked in your hand. This is from a pistol holstered in a concealed carry rig. An assailant with a knife (or sword) at the ready and charging you will get to you before you can react and draw--advantage assailant with a knife. Ask any self-defense instructor.

Yes, I did take it out of the context of the burglar having the gun and the home owner having the knife.

Yeah, I can empty my Glock of its 13 rounds of .45ACP in less than a second, so I know where the confusion came from. :D


do you think anyone going to commit a crime without a round in the chamber or with the safety on?


Heh, it's been done before. :)


And especially if its a double action Pistol then you don't even need to cock the hammer.
Kill Bill= Fantasy not real life.

Oh, I know that much. Works even better if it's a safe-action Glock! ;)

I own a Glock 27 and I carry it.

Good conceal weapon you have there. I carry my G27 when I'm out of my silly home state, that doesn't allow for concealed carry.

I know the 21ft rule. (was part of my 9mm training at MP School)

But since when do criminals carry in a concealed cary holster, some will, some won't. I personally feel odds favor the firearm if it is remotely ready

I live in Ohio, that finally passed our Worthless Concealed carry law. You can't carry ANYWHERE. except really into private residences if they don't have a sign up saying you can't. If any business has a sign up that says Firearms are off-limits, it is a felony to carry there.


But on the plus side all i need to do for me to get it is wait the 90 days till i'm 21, give them $45 dollars, a copy of my DD 214 and let them see my Military ID.


That is it.

Good conceal weapon you have there. I carry my G27 when I'm out of my silly home state, that doesn't allow for concealed carry.


It's amazingly small for the caliber size. People are always pretty shocked that the standard clip has a 9 round capacity.

I know the 21ft rule. (was part of my 9mm training at MP School)

But since when do criminals carry in a concealed cary holster, some will, some won't. I personally feel odds favor the firearm if it is remotely ready

Then you didn't read my entire post. :)

"Yes, I did take it out of the context of the burglar having the gun and the home owner having the knife."

And yes, if the firearm is remotely ready, advantage gun.

I live in Ohio, that finally passed our Worthless Concealed carry law. You can't carry ANYWHERE. except really into private residences if they don't have a sign up saying you can't. If any business has a sign up that says Firearms are off-limits, it is a felony to carry there.


But on the plus side all i need to do for me to get it is wait the 90 days till i'm 21, give them $45 dollars, a copy of my DD 214 and let them see my Military ID.


That is it.

Don't they also have to verbally advise you as well? I want to get info, as I'm heading to your state next week.

Explain that one to me.

How someone with a pistol cocked and locked 21 feet away, that has the oppurtunity to fire off probably 2-3 rounds before you get within Melee range would lose.

I'd understand maybe under 10 feet.

But 21ft. jesus h. christ man.

Now you see, if you were in the old USSR Spetsnaz you'd get taught how to kill a man from 50 yards with a spade. Alan Titchmarsh - more than meets the eye.

Who said they could empty their Glock 21 in under a second? Can you do that and get more than three or four rounds on target?

Isn't this a thread aimed at peeps from the UK where gun ownership was banned as a kneejerk reaction after a psychopath killed a bunch of kids? Hmm a lot has changed. Now it's fashionable to possess a gun and kill kids!

Who said they could empty their Glock 21 in under a second? Can you do that and get more than three or four rounds on target?


That would be me. And yes, at 21 feet, the last time I tried, I got 10 of the 13 in the chest (that's still a 1.5 foot diameter circle--45cm for you metric types)--and the other three hit the target as well, two would have been in the equivalent of the pelvis, and the last was in the head (I was just trying to hit the target, none of these were called shots). I'm just saying it's possible--not necessarily practical (well, maybe if you had a Cyberdyne Systems something-or-other after you).


Isn't this a thread aimed at peeps from the UK where gun ownership was banned as a kneejerk reaction after a psychopath killed a bunch of kids? Hmm a lot has changed. Now it's fashionable to possess a gun and kill kids!

I'm guessing the offensive killing part is still a big no-no (regardless of the victim's age). The gun-ownership on the other hand....that's just allowing people to defend themselves.

EDITED to say friggin' metric instead of decimal--damn, I'm a right idiot today.

Im in the US, I own several guns. Although theyre not desert eagles, Theyre still deadly arent they? I own a remington .22 semi-auto, A musket for re-enacting(what a hobby!) and a whole..whole..lot of BB guns, yay for me? yes yay for me..i was raised around them, Cherished them and respected them.. NEVER played with it... Never touched it... Because it was well a 357 magnum and well.. It was always loaded..so you know

Now you see, if you were in the old USSR Spetsnaz you'd get taught how to kill a man from 50 yards with a spade. Alan Titchmarsh - more than meets the eye.

Who said they could empty their Glock 21 in under a second? Can you do that and get more than three or four rounds on target?

Isn't this a thread aimed at peeps from the UK where gun ownership was banned as a kneejerk reaction after a psychopath killed a bunch of kids? Hmm a lot has changed. Now it's fashionable to possess a gun and kill kids!

oh come on, a spade @ 50 meters...now thats not serious. im an archer and killing something with a bow and arrow (now thats a legitimate weapon) is tough...so what about the spade?...you throw it and let the little russian angels of justice carry the spade and hit the target in the head?

Hold the phone....is it really illegal to own a gun in Britain?? Why?

CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF, IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO OWN A GUN IN THE UK

Unlike the US, you need either a Shotgun or Firearms Certificate to own a gun in the UK. The UK arms laws are horribly tortuous, and since this thread is degenerating into "d00d 1 liv in teh USA nd 1 hav an AK47 nd a Desert Eagel and t3hy r0><0rz!", I'm not going to explain them in detail.

The very edited highlights, according to friends of mine in the UK:

Double Barrel Shotguns and Single Barrel Shotguns (including pump-action, bolt action, lever action, and, I beleive, semi-auto shotguns holding up to a total of three rounds) can be obtained on a Shotgun Certificate. It's not incredibly hard to get one, apparently- you just have to either know someone with some land or join a Clay Target club.

Bolt, Pump, and Lever Action Rifles need a Firearms Certificate, which is hard, but not impossible to obtain. There's all sorts of hassles involved with storage, where you can shoot, what calibre(s) the police will let you have, and so on. You also have to be a member of a Rifle Club or have A LOT of land to shoot on.

.22s and Semi-Auto .22 rifles go on a Firearms Certificate, but it's (apparently) not hard to convince the Police that you need one.

Handguns are where it gets tricky. Cartridge Firing Handguns are out for COMPETITION AND SPORTING SHOOTERS. Collectors and a few other (tiny) groups can still own them. However, Cap & Ball and Muzzle-loading pistols are legal, can be acquired legally and without enormous amounts of hassle, and are very popular amongst shooters in the UK.

Any gun made prior to 1901 that fires Ammunition no longer COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE is considered an Antique and can be owned without a licence. Not sure of what happens if you fire them, though- I live in Australia, and depending on which State you live in, you can own AND fire "Antique" guns without a licence. Martini-Henrys, Snider-Enfields, and Muskets are very popular in both the UK and Australia for that very reason.

As for the strict gun controls in both countries: There were a couple of mass-shootings in the UK (at Hungerford and Dunblane), and one in Australia (POrt Arthur), and all the left-wing, tree-hugger, and PC groups got up in arms about it and managed to get the laws changed. Prior to those events, guns were pretty easy to get in both countries (not 100% sure about the UK, but in Australia that was certainly the case).

Hope all this has been enlightening, or at least informative!

I think that you guys have it right over there in England. The number of people killed in the USA by guns is something around 11,000. If more guns made a country safer, the USA would be the safest country on earth.

I think that you guys have it right over there in England. The number of people killed in the USA by guns is something around 11,000. If more guns made a country safer, the USA would be the safest country on earth.

Funny, the 80,000,000 legally owned firearms in the US aren't really a large part of that 11K number of yours. Even anti-gun research has shown that a good 1.5 million crimes are prevented by firearms annually in the US.

http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

Look where those murders by firearms are happening--in the most restricted areas in the country. It's the anti-gun laws stopping people from defending themselves, and getting shot by criminals.

Yes, I know, and often the intimidation takes the form of a "warning shot".

Firing a "warning shot" only makes them run faster. Never, ever pull a gun unless you are prepared to use it. Never, ever fire a warning shot. If you must shoot, always shoot to kill. These rules were taught to me in a law enforcement gun class and in military weapons training classes. Fortunately, I have never had to apply any of them, but if the time ever comes, I will not hesitate to do so.

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oh come on, a spade @ 50 meters...now thats not serious. im an archer and killing something with a bow and arrow (now thats a legitimate weapon) is tough...so what about the spade?...you throw it and let the little russian angels of justice carry the spade and hit the target in the head?
Really not kidding!! But they would be using less of a spade/shovel, more of a form of entrenching tool. Like the one GLOCK produce. Sorry, I just thought I'd plug them a bit more (plus that seems to be the main site people are getting their info from!!).

That would be me. And yes, at 21 feet, the last time I tried, I got 10 of the 13 in the chest (that's still a 1.5 foot diameter circle--45cm for you metric types)--and the other three hit the target as well, two would have been in the equivalent of the pelvis, and the last was in the head (I was just trying to hit the target, none of these were called shots). I'm just saying it's possible--not necessarily practical (well, maybe if you had a Cyberdyne Systems something-or-other after you).
Interesting... you seem to have a very long definition of a second. An unresisted human finger can just about manage 10 separate trigger actions in a second. What poundage resistance does your sidearm trigger have? I realise its not a great deal (see Glock plug above) but still!!

Otherwise, good shooting!! You should be in Iraq! You'd have time to make a cursory examination of a wounded man and get a decent shot away if necessary.

Decimal = metric. You're thinking Imperial.

I'm guessing the offensive killing part is still a big no-no (regardless of the victim's age). The gun-ownership on the other hand....that's just allowing people to defend themselves.
Defence doesn't usually come into it. Many handguns possessed in the UK are for novelty value, status, that sort of idea. If murder comes into it, it's a drag and the perpetrator will just attempt not to be caught. They won't go through a massively introspective process of debating the morality of taking a life.

And yes, as someone pointed out above, I was referring to the banning of sidearms/pistols above the calibre of .22 or .177 (I forget). Though with the banning of fox-hunting it can't be long till the AR shitheads manage to get duck/pheasant/grouse hunting with shotguns banned too.

Why would I?

They could legalise crack, strike fighters and slavery, and I wouldn't want any of that, either.

I can't believe that people are still trotting out the, "it's almost never legal fire-arms that're used in crimes, anyway!" argument as if they can't see how it doesn't even make a tiny little bit of sense. Given that I started the last sentence with, "I can't believe..." I'm not sure how to articulate my horror at how widely held appears to be the attitude that if, in a bad situation, you have a gun you should use it to kill somebody, and that if you don't have a gun in that situation you're an idiot.

Has anyone even heard of civilisation?

Has anyone even heard of civilisation?
it's a sid meier game isn't it?

Anyway back to the legality of UK gun ownership - pump action shotguns are illegal in the UK. you can own a break-breech single shot shotgun if you have a licence. You aren't actually allowed to use a gun on a person in any circumstances really. In law you can use reasonable force to defend yourself, but a gun probably wouldn't be seen as reasonable force.

Paintballing is great fun i have to agree, but i think i would feel much more secure with a Desert Eagle on my bedside cabinet. It wouldn't have to be loaded, but it would scare the hell out of anyone that broke in! :D

yep, they'd get so scared that they'd shoot you.

Hold the phone....is it really illegal to own a gun in Britain?? Why? What is the penalty iF you do have one in your house?

Pentalty 5 years minimum in jail.

Firing a "warning shot" only makes them run faster. Never, ever pull a gun unless you are prepared to use it. Never, ever fire a warning shot. If you must shoot, always shoot to kill. These rules were taught to me in a law enforcement gun class and in military weapons training classes. Fortunately, I have never had to apply any of them, but if the time ever comes, I will not hesitate to do so.

You do NOT shoot to kill. You shoot to stop (it just so happens that chest wounds tend to do the trick). It's that kind of statement that has all the antis on our backs. Because they say our first thought is to kill--and that's where they get it from.

Interesting... you seem to have a very long definition of a second. An unresisted human finger can just about manage 10 separate trigger actions in a second. What poundage resistance does your sidearm trigger have? I realise its not a great deal (see Glock plug above) but still!!

Otherwise, good shooting!! You should be in Iraq! You'd have time to make a cursory examination of a wounded man and get a decent shot away if necessary.


That's full trigger extension and depression. The standard trigger weight on a Glock is 5.5 lbs. However, they have a VERY short reset span, making it pretty easy to get off the next shot. There is no slack to take up. It's not a long definition of a second--it's just that quick, once you get used to recoil and such. It's a matter of moving your second knuckle about 1/4". Anyone who doesn't practice won't be able to hit squat, but with time and effort, it can be done. Like I said, I was only trying to hit the 3'X4' target--I don't know if I could repeat it.

I personally like double-taps for defensive purposes. That's effective enough, in my opinion.

No American should be in Iraq right now--most certainly not our military. I'm a Libertarian, and we have no business monkeying with the affairs of any other nation but our own--unless attacked first.

I actually already have guns, fully legally obtained and posesed of course.
They are used for recreational purposes only.

I have a pump action shotgun, a semi automatic cal.22 pistol and a muzzle loader cal.45 flintlock pistol.

Yet I am not running riot on the streets, blasting away fellow citicens. Despite the fact, that I also have an X-box mostly for playing Hitman2.

So Guns really do NOT kill people, people kill people. Mostly whit tools at hand, wood-chopping axes and kitchen knives for example.

Why would I?
They could legalise crack, strike fighters and slavery, and I wouldn't want any of that, either.


And that would be your choice. There's the issue. When a government makes something illegal, your choice is taken from you. Where's personal responsibility?


I can't believe that people are still trotting out the, "it's almost never legal fire-arms that're used in crimes, anyway!" argument as if they can't see how it doesn't even make a tiny little bit of sense.


Because it DOESN'T make sense. Most firearms used in crimes are stolen or illegal in some fashion. If you punish the law-abiding with creating a ban that won't affect a criminal in any way, that's illogical, irrational, and inefficient.


Given that I started the last sentence with, "I can't believe..." I'm not sure how to articulate my horror at how widely held appears to be the attitude that if, in a bad situation, you have a gun you should use it to kill somebody, and that if you don't have a gun in that situation you're an idiot.


I would use a firearm to stop someone--not to kill them. Should I be attacked, and the attacker dies in the process, I'm not exactly going to cry too long about it. But I'm not shooting with the express intent to kill. Yeah, there is a difference.

People who choose not to carry are not idiots. If someone doesn't have the emotional strength/fortitude/whatever to shoot someone, I certainly don't want them having a firearm for defense--that will just put the firearm in the hands of their attacker, when the attackees hesitate and are disarmed/killed.


Has anyone even heard of civilisation?

Sure have. That word/phrase/statement is usually trotted out by leaders who have their own bodyguards (who are armed)--or manipulative media outlets to coerce their populaces into giving up their defensive capabilities. :D It's used by elitists that don't want to see equality--they want ruling classes.

I actually already have guns, fully legally obtained and posesed of course.
They are used for recreational purposes only.

I have a pump action shotgun, a semi automatic cal.22 pistol and a muzzle loader cal.45 flintlock pistol.

Yet I am not running riot on the streets, blasting away fellow citicens. Despite the fact, that I also have an X-box mostly for playing Hitman2.

So Guns really do NOT kill people, people kill people. Mostly whit tools at hand, wood-chopping axes and kitchen knives for example.

But see, that's not sensational enough for the media--so they have to concentrate on firearms...
:mad:

That's full trigger extension and depression. The standard trigger weight on a Glock is 5.5 lbs. However, they have a VERY short reset span, making it pretty easy to get off the next shot. There is no slack to take up. It's not a long definition of a second--it's just that quick, once you get used to recoil and such. It's a matter of moving your second knuckle about 1/4". Anyone who doesn't practice won't be able to hit squat, but with time and effort, it can be done. Like I said, I was only trying to hit the 3'X4' target--I don't know if I could repeat it.

No American should be in Iraq right now--most certainly not our military. I'm a Libertarian, and we have no business monkeying with the affairs of any other nation but our own--unless attacked first.
Fair enough. Just goes to show that regular semi-autos suck! Does that mean you only have to pull the trigger through one safety on repeat shots on a glock? hmm.. mixed thoughts.

Americans in Iraq.. they're there now, might as well make as good a job of it as they can.

Fair enough. Just goes to show that regular semi-autos suck!


I'll disagree with that statement.


Does that mean you only have to pull the trigger through one safety on repeat shots on a glock? hmm.. mixed thoughts.


No, all three safeties still engage/disengage--you still have to pull. It's still the human (as it is with all firearms--not the tool) responsible for the bullet leaving the chamber. Can't blame the inanimate object.

It's just that not many get used to the recoil, and can control their finger, to keep it at the back of the trigger guard, as opposed to letting the trigger all the way back out.


Americans in Iraq.. they're there now, might as well make as good a job of it as they can.

I'll disagree with that statement as well. We need to get completely out of the Middle East completely. Let them go back to their in-fighting, and stop giving them a huge target in the US.

I'll disagree with that statement.
I was going for the engineers vote with my semi-auto insult. Why are semi-autos still designed and produced if they fall way behind the technology of a once small Austrian gunsmith?

No, all three safeties still engage/disengage--you still have to pull. It's still the human (as it is with all firearms--not the tool) responsible for the bullet leaving the chamber. Can't blame the inanimate object.
However one of the safeties is on the trigger itself and would not be disengaged if the finger did not leave the trigger. Ok, I'm getting pedantic and petty. Guns don't kill people, Rappers do.

I'll disagree with that statement as well. We need to get completely out of the Middle East completely. Let them go back to their in-fighting, and stop giving them a huge target in the US.
Unfortunately, you've got into it now. I say you. We is more accurate. If we pull out of Iraq now, the various indigenous and insurgent terrorist groups will blow the living shit out of each other and the country to take power. And the west would get blamed for not 'doing their job properly'. You'll notice no other power was too bothered about getting the job done in the first place. Bloody French.

Guns are legal here.

I don't own one, nor feel the desire.

;) I agree with Kellarly, swords are cool. So are bows.

61-61. Evenly divided quality.

No. Kids have a habit of removing themselves from the genepool with their parents guns, amongst other reasons. However well locked up you keep them, there's always a small risk that the little sods will get hold of 'em.

Of course, you can take risk reduction to extremes, and wrap 'em in cotton wool, but since I have no use for a gun it'd be a risk with no benefits.

If Britain was to legalise gun ownership, thus opening up hundreds of gunshops across the nation, would you go out and buy one?

Grossly Biased Pollster Question (delete: THUS OPENING UP HUNDREDS OF GUNSHOPS ACROSS THE NATION) and add: THUS ALLOWING YOU TO DEFEND YOUR FAMILY SINCE EUROPEAN POLICE DON'T CARRY WEAPONS, BUT TERRORISTS AND CRIMINALS DO. Why don't you take the "non" out of nonsense. If the Fanatic Muslims take over your feeble Falopean countries, they will destroy you, BEFORE we send our brave men (and we will take all of your valuable oil and mud).

I think that you guys have it right over there in England. The number of people killed in the USA by guns is something around 11,000. If more guns made a country safer, the USA would be the safest country on earth.

You do realize that crime rate in Britain has doubled, and some statistics suggest it has trippled?

And surprise, surprise, right after guns were banned.

Why do you think that is? Oh right, BECAUSE THE CRIMINALS STILL HAVE THEIR GUNS! lol!

The criminals will never give up their guns - ever. But the law abiding citizens will - so you can see where that leaves us. At the mercy of the criminals.

The black market has flourished in Britain.

The criminal underworld has never, for a second, slowed down due to the ban in Brtiain - if anything it has picked up speed.

"I'll rob a bank, but not with a gun - because that's illegal."

Heh, case in point.

So if you think Britain is doing so great - try looking at the numbers. Ok? Heh.

Oh and, "guns suck" was the title of your reply?

Yeah well, if someone breaks into your house - who are you going to pick up the phone and call first? The police? Why? Because they have guns and know how to use them. lol.

I was going for the engineers vote with my semi-auto insult. Why are semi-autos still designed and produced if they fall way behind the technology of a once small Austrian gunsmith?


They don't fall behind the tech--they're all just a bit different. Gaston Glock just improved upon a design that's 90 years old when making his pistol. Most of the semi-autos today are just as good as a Glock. Springfield makes a decent competitor to the Glock, with yet more improvements. The 1911 market will always be there, since it's so huge. Glocks aren't the end-all, be-all for semi-autos either. Some people don't like the rather large grip of the Glocks, and go for another vendor. Some don't like the grip angle of a Glock, so they go for another semi-auto just as good.


However one of the safeties is on the trigger itself and would not be disengaged if the finger did not leave the trigger. Ok, I'm getting pedantic and petty. Guns don't kill people, Rappers do.


Yup, but because you have to let the trigger forward somewhat, the trigger safety moves as well.


Unfortunately, you've got into it now. I say you. We is more accurate. If we pull out of Iraq now, the various indigenous and insurgent terrorist groups will blow the living shit out of each other and the country to take power. And the west would get blamed for not 'doing their job properly'. You'll notice no other power was too bothered about getting the job done in the first place. Bloody French.

Yup. That's exactly what will happen. It would be unfortunate. But I really don't have a problem with terrorists blowing themselves up by taking out other terrorists. I also have no problems with the west being blamed--just as long as we don't do it again. It is not America's job to "save" the world--despite what several of my fellow citizens think. It's not any government's job to save anyone but their own citizenry from an invading force--none of this, "We know better, this is for your own good," bullshit.

I would feel for the citizens of Iraq, but the situation there now isn't much different from the situation for the citizens as they had it before, under Saddam. People are dying. They were before, they will continue to, regardless if Americans are there or not.

We pull out, and never go back, unless attacked first.

i feel i would be much more likely to be stabbed than shot where i live in england. i can't remember anyone ever being shot or stabbed near me... but i like it that way. if i knew people could get their hands on guns easier than they already can, i doubt i would feel as secure.

i like the way things are... even if it is complete ignorance. but i believe major cities like birmingham and london need to be dealt with differently... since it sounds like a person gets shot in one or the other every day due to a growing 'gun culture' - which as far as i can gather are silly gang wars and if the media were to be believed, it's particularly rife among black youths (who seem to make up the majority of these gangs)

i feel i would be much more likely to be stabbed than shot where i live in england. i can't remember anyone ever being shot or stabbed near me... but i like it that way. if i knew people could get their hands on guns easier than they already can, i doubt i would feel as secure.

i like the way things are... even if it is complete ignorance. but i believe major cities like birmingham and london need to be dealt with differently... since it sounds like a person gets shot in one or the other every day due to a growing 'gun culture' - which as far as i can gather are silly gang wars and if the media were to be believed, it's particularly rife among black youths (who seem to make up the majority of these gangs)

I live in America, and I can't remember anyone ever getting shot or stabbed near me either. And guns are legal here.

The problem is, criminals will never be disarmed. If you could reduce the number of guns to zero - nada - none, then yes, gun control would work.

But you can't, and because of that it'll always backfire - instead of reducing crime - crime will increase.

Think of it like this, a room full of 200 people and none of them are armed - BUT a criminal doesn't know that does he? If it is legal to own a gun a criminal will figure there is a good chance a few of them are armed.

But what is happening in Britain is they have implemented gun control laws and it is blowing up in their faces. Now it's as if there are a room full of 200 people and the criminals understand there is a pretty good chance that none of them are armed. So, what the hell? It's ripe for the picking.

This can be put into a smaller scale, robbing houses, car theft, etc.

Britain is certainly seeing that this is true. As their crime rate skyrockets.

And although I disagree with your idea that you'd feel safer with gun control laws, you do make a valid point.

I read somewhere that the weapon of choice in Britain is a knife or sharp object.

So now what are we going to do? Knife control? Then what will the weapon of choice be? It doesn't matter - they'll make their own knives for all they care.

I feel very safe living in America with guns. I've never been robbed, never been shot, I've never even heard of any of this happening where I live.

The only guns I have ever seen were mine. Heh. And we're responsible gun owners - they're all unloaded, locked up in a gun cabinet, seperated from the ammunition.

I read somewhere that the weapon of choice in Britain is a knife or sharp object.

So now what are we going to do? Knife control? Then what will the weapon of choice be? It doesn't matter - they'll make their own knives for all they care.



That's already in the works...

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5032285.html

That's already in the works...

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5032285.html

And citizens don't see that the government is trying to control them? Wow.

I can see it now:

"Here, you can't be trusted with those nail clippers....we'll cut your nails for you. Just come on down to the trim center like a good thrall."

Did you know we already have and have had for years kinfe control in the US. In many places it is illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than a specified number if inches. Switchblades are illegal in most places.

I would never own a gun. It's stupid. It's unsafe. It may be true that guns don't kill people and that people kill people, but guns make it MUCH MUCH easier for people to kill people. If I had a kid, what would stop him/her from finding the gun & committing a school shooting? If a burglar breaks in, what's stopping him from taking the gun and using it against me? It's just reckless to own a gun. And don't give me crap about "it's for protection". Guns kill more than they can save. You want to be safe? Use common sense. Lock your doors. Close & lock your windows. Get a burglar alarm. Get a dog(at least one that barks at strangers).

No. Kids have a habit of removing themselves from the genepool with their parents guns, amongst other reasons. However well locked up you keep them, there's always a small risk that the little sods will get hold of 'em.

Of course, you can take risk reduction to extremes, and wrap 'em in cotton wool, but since I have no use for a gun it'd be a risk with no benefits.

Having grown up around guns myself, and being son of a man who grew up around firearms as well, I don't see what the heck is with the "kids kill themselves thing". Any parent who is dumb enough to keep firearms around and not teach their kids about the firearms, even the most basic "this thing goes BOOM and makes a Big Hurty!", is fairly stupid anyway. Almost brings up the thought of evolution in action...

But anyways, to each their own. I personally am 16, so I do not and cannot legally own a firearm, but when I reach the proper age I will be getting a concealed firearms license, and some type of handgun. Maybe a G27 as has been mentioned. I'll probably also inherit a hunting rifle or two, something like that when my grandpa passes away.

I would never own a gun. It's stupid. It's unsafe. It may be true that guns don't kill people and that people kill people, but guns make it MUCH MUCH easier for people to kill people. If I had a kid, what would stop him/her from finding the gun & committing a school shooting? If a burglar breaks in, what's stopping him from taking the gun and using it against me? It's just reckless to own a gun. And don't give me crap about "it's for protection". Guns kill more than they can save. You want to be safe? Use common sense. Lock your doors. Close & lock your windows. Get a burglar alarm. Get a dog(at least one that barks at strangers).

Stupid, unsafe... tell me, do you own a car? Do you go hurtling down a highway in over a thousand pounds of metal at 60 miles an hour, mere feet or inchs from other similar vehicles? Do you realize how much more kinetic energy that has than a bullet? What's to stop kids from stealing car keys and running over people? Do you realize that gasoline vapor has more explosive power than dynamite? I'm not trying to make any statement against cars, I drive regularly too, I'm just saying... there's so many powerful and dangerous things going around that anybody who wants to can do alot of harm, guns or no. It's the price of industrial society and technology.

Guns may be specialized tools with no use other than destruction, either of humans, or game, or skeet, but to take a certain quote, the best defense is a good offense. And when a criminal has broken through the locked window and killed your dog, what would you want to do? Wait for the police, who even in the best covered areas will take over a minute, or shoot the bastard?

Did you know we already have and have had for years kinfe control in the US. In many places it is illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than a specified number if inches. Switchblades are illegal in most places.
But then there's a similar situation in England. You can't carry a concealed, bladed weapon with a blade. Possession of a switchblade is illegal I believe. As is the possession of a non-functional blade over some arbitrary length.

Doesn't stop many people.

I'm American, not British. But I'd still buy a a gun or two dozen once I got the money.

Guns are legal here in the USA, and I don't see people running around madly shooting one another. There is crime, just like anywhere, but I think the biggest problem is lack of education about guns.

Before I had a gun and someone gave me one to hold, I was literally afraid of it, in awe, you could say.

But once you understand what you're dealing with, and what sort of responsibility you have to use it, then it becomes less frightening. Its not about having the power to kill people, shoot cans or wild game, it is about recognizing that this is a tool, and it should be used properly (and carefully).

Did you know we already have and have had for years kinfe control in the US. In many places it is illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than a specified number if inches. Switchblades are illegal in most places.

I already know that the US government is trying to control the population, yes.

I would never own a gun. It's stupid. It's unsafe. It may be true that guns don't kill people and that people kill people, but guns make it MUCH MUCH easier for people to kill people. If I had a kid, what would stop him/her from finding the gun & committing a school shooting? If a burglar breaks in, what's stopping him from taking the gun and using it against me? It's just reckless to own a gun. And don't give me crap about "it's for protection". Guns kill more than they can save. You want to be safe? Use common sense. Lock your doors. Close & lock your windows. Get a burglar alarm. Get a dog(at least one that barks at strangers).

Guns save more than they kill.

1.5 MILLION crimes per year stopped due to handguns. 10,000 homicides--in the most anti-gun cities in the US. There's a reason--because only the criminals have them. The law abiding citizens aren't allowed to have them.

You're just using irrational emotion as your basis. Not logic and fact. Emotion doesn't have anything to do with common sense. It's not reckless. You lock the firearms up when they're not on you, or in use. Yes, it's that simple.

And calling those you are trying to convince stupid probably isn't the way to convert them....

Guns are legal here in the USA, and I don't see people running around madly shooting one another. There is crime, just like anywhere, but I think the biggest problem is lack of education about guns.

Before I had a gun and someone gave me one to hold, I was literally afraid of it, in awe, you could say.

But once you understand what you're dealing with, and what sort of responsibility you have to use it, then it becomes less frightening. Its not about having the power to kill people, shoot cans or wild game, it is about recognizing that this is a tool, and it should be used properly (and carefully).

You hit it on the head, Tenzingnor. The media has hyped up the image of guns to be these all-powerful killing machines, of which people have no control.

When you get right down to it, they're just like any other tool. Drills spin holes through STEEL. Nail guns put 3 inch spikes into the hardest woods. Firearms shoot chunks of lead at very high velocities. All three can kill if misused, or used in a careless fashion.

Guns may be specialized tools with no use other than destruction, either of humans, or game, or skeet, but to take a certain quote, the best defense is a good offense.

I'd like to add to that:

"The best form of Defence is Attack, and the best form of Attack is one that doesn't actually involve you." -3rd Technician David Lister, JMC Red Dwarf

Incidentally, I'm extremely pro-gun... that's just such a great quote, and this seemed to be the perfect place to use it!

I can't think of any situation I've ever been in, where a gun would have come in handy. Well, except for last year, when I was overdrawn, but it was probably just as well I didn't have one.

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Don't you mean 'BANG.. "aw shit.. killed him"'

You do realize that crime rate in Britain has doubled, and some statistics suggest it has trippled?

And surprise, surprise, right after guns were banned.

Why do you think that is? Oh right, BECAUSE THE CRIMINALS STILL HAVE THEIR GUNS! lol!


The ban on guns has nothing to do with the increase in crime rates, simply because pretty much nobody had guns before they were banned anyway.

It's not like everyone had to give up their home defence arsenal. The only people who had guns were a few farmers, and a few rabid nutters.

If I had a kid, what would stop him/her from finding the gun & committing a school shooting? .


probably proper parenting................

Not only would I buy one if they were legal; they are legal, and I have bought more than one :>

Not only would I buy one if they were legal; they are legal, and I have bought more than one :>


He means in britain........shhhhhhhhhhhhhh



oh and what are your winters like in Richmond.

I'm being Stationed at Fort Story, VA near Norfolk in January

He means in britain........shhhhhhhhhhhhhh



oh and what are your winters like in Richmond.

I'm being Stationed at Fort Story, VA near Norfolk in January

I'm originally from Virginia Beach..... Richmond does have a tendency to see more snow.... and it actually sticks more often.... Otherwise, it is close to the same (however the politics can be a headache.... though, we do have an elected mayor FINALLY.... and the Mayor-Elect is Douglas Wilder)

I'm originally from Virginia Beach..... Richmond does have a tendency to see more snow.... and it actually sticks more often.... Otherwise, it is close to the same (however the politics can be a headache.... though, we do have an elected mayor FINALLY.... and the Mayor-Elect is Douglas Wilder)


Well so i will need to put some weight in the back of my truck while i'm down there.


Oh and I'm from Ohio, so your winters shouldn't be too bad compared to what i'm used too.

Please say you have a decent road crew setup to keep the roads somewhat clear when it does snow and stick

And when you talk about sticking, how much? 5-6" or so?

Well so i will need to put some weight in the back of my truck while i'm down there.


Oh and I'm from Ohio, so your winters shouldn't be too bad compared to what i'm used too.

Please say you have a decent road crew setup to keep the roads somewhat clear when it does snow and stick

And when you talk about sticking, how much? 5-6" or so?

Compared to Ohio, they are nothing... And if it gets to the point of 5-6", the crews we have out here are not enough.... but mostly, when it sticks, it is only a 3-4 inches. And the city, at least, can keep up; though the counties generally can only clear the state-routes and a few other major roads.

No I wouldn't buy a gun. There's not much else it could be used for other than shooting things, people, etc. And it wouldn't make for a good hammer, although I guess you could use it in a pinch as a can-opener.

Not good value for money. Now an axe...!

Compared to Ohio, they are nothing... And if it gets to the point of 5-6", the crews we have out here are not enough.... but mostly, when it sticks, it is only a 3-4 inches. And the city, at least, can keep up; though the counties generally can only clear the state-routes and a few other major roads.


oh and can you give me a clue how far Fort Story is From Virginia Beach. On a map it looks like 15-20 minutes. (the Icing on the cake for this deployment)

Nope, caus swords are way cooler :D
not when you get shot :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:

I'm not a paranoid freak, but I probably would, not a massive assault rifle, just a normal shotgun that I would keep somewhere safe incase something happens.

Hey I'm origonally from Virginia Beach, too. Don't remember much of it though, I only lived there a year. All I really remember is swimming in the ocean.

How is it nowadays?

I'm not a paranoid freak, but I probably would, not a massive assault rifle, just a normal shotgun that I would keep somewhere safe incase something happens.



Well, I will own a massive assault rifle.

A FN Fal
A G-3
A G-36(if i can get my hands on one)
But definetly and AR-15/M-4


but then again i enjoy shooting Assault Weapons.

If you want to buy a gun the join the army. Nobody needs a gun around.
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oh and can you give me a clue how far Fort Story is From Virginia Beach. On a map it looks like 15-20 minutes. (the Icing on the cake for this deployment)

It's actually a sub-installation of Fort Eustis... it is actually IN the city, at Cape Henry near the northern bay-coast of Virginia Beach... Once you leave the gate, you're in the city.... Virginia Beach is an independent city (prior to 1968 the entirety of the present city was Princess Anne County)... Get off the base, turn down Pacific Ave. going south and you'll be at the Ocean Front in about 10-15 minutes (V.B. covers 400 sq. miles It can take 30 minutes or so just to cross the city lengthwise, and almost 45 minutes north-south)... And if you want some good food, I recommend heading out towards Military Hywy in Norfolk, and hitting "The Grate Steak" (yes it's pronounced right)... only steak house you'll find where you order "cuts" and can grill 'em yourself :>

It's actually a sub-installation of Fort Eustis... it is actually IN the city, at Cape Henry near the northern bay-coast of Virginia Beach... Once you leave the gate, you're in the city.... Virginia Beach is an independent city (prior to 1968 the entirety of the present city was Princess Anne County)... Get off the base, turn down Pacific Ave. going south and you'll be at the Ocean Front in about 10-15 minutes (V.B. covers 400 sq. miles It can take 30 minutes or so just to cross the city lengthwise, and almost 45 minutes north-south)... And if you want some good food, I recommend heading out towards Military Hywy in Norfolk, and hitting "The Grate Steak" (yes it's pronounced right)... only steak house you'll find where you order "cuts" and can grill 'em yourself :>


I know about it being a sub instalation of Ft. Eustis

30 from my Battalion are being sent to Eustis
24 to Story
I'm part of the Story mission. Hopefully it'll be a quite assignment (I'm an MP btw)

If you want to buy a gun the join the army. Nobody needs a gun around.
:eek: :sniper:


Look at my posts.

Covered that already

I'm a PFC in the United States Army Military Police Corps

I know about it being a sub instalation of Ft. Eustis

30 from my Battalion are being sent to Eustis
24 to Story
I'm part of the Story mission. Hopefully it'll be a quite assignment (I'm an MP btw)

I was USN, left in 1997... Submariner (FT1/SS)

If you want to buy a gun the join the army. Nobody needs a gun around.
:eek: :sniper:

Just remember that when you're being attacked.

Just remember that when you're being attacked.
...with a sword or a spade?

If Britain was to legalise gun ownership, thus opening up hundreds of gunshops across the nation, would you go out and buy one?
I live in the US. I CAN buy a gun. But if I lived in The U.K. I would buy a gun.

definitely "yes" and friday evenings would become semi-public holidays where the preferred activity would be driving round our cities and towns, dealing out death to anything in a burberry cap or tracksuits tucked into socks.

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I agree. Damn Chavs/Townies/Barries/Kappa Slappas/etc.

I live in the US. I CAN buy a gun. But if I lived in The U.K. I would buy a gun.


I didnt know it was illegal to own a gun in the UK! Are all guns illegal?

I live in canada and I have two. :mp5:

After reading the thread title - does that mean you can't own guns at all in Britian?!?!!

Guns Are Illegal. As A Result, Gun Crime Is Much Lower In The Uk.

Only morons buy guns.
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Guns Are Illegal. As A Result, Gun Crime Is Much Lower In The Uk.

Care to compare the crime rate in the UK vs Canada? Lots of guns in canada.

:rolleyes:

Only morons buy guns.
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Or people who have a use for them IE farms.

idoit.

hel yer the world would be a much better and more exciting place. get rid of all townies, chavs and anybody generally u dont like. :sniper:

Guns Are Illegal. As A Result, Gun Crime Is Much Lower In The Uk.

Yep. they use other implements to kill people there.

I live in the U. S. and own two guns, a bb gun and a .22 rifle, however, I'm a minor and my dad technically owns them, he also own somewhere in the 100's of guns, I think. I have never killed a thing with a gun, not from lack of trying. We go jackrabbit hunting in the desert a few times a year, mainly I shoot cans and other things. I like using guns. And paintball is really fun, that's all I have to say.

I think I would buy a WWII Russian ppsh SMG and then assasinate the right-wing labour cabinet :mp5:

Grossly Biased Pollster Question (delete: THUS OPENING UP HUNDREDS OF GUNSHOPS ACROSS THE NATION) and add: THUS ALLOWING YOU TO DEFEND YOUR FAMILY SINCE EUROPEAN POLICE DON'T CARRY WEAPONS, BUT TERRORISTS AND CRIMINALS DO. Why don't you take the "non" out of nonsense. If the Fanatic Muslims take over your feeble Falopean countries, they will destroy you, BEFORE we send our brave men (and we will take all of your valuable oil and mud).
Yeah traffic police and police "on the beat" dont carry guns (in ireland not sure about england) but if the situation calls for a gun they will send police with guns in. Strange we're not being over run by terrorists and "my family"(or anyone I know) has never been attacked by someone with a gun.

The ban on guns has nothing to do with the increase in crime rates, simply because pretty much nobody had guns before they were banned anyway.

It's not like everyone had to give up their home defence arsenal. The only people who had guns were a few farmers, and a few rabid nutters.Before, though, you'd never know if the house you were about to break into or the person you were about to attack had a gun. Well, you still don't, but it's less likely. :D
Well, I will own a massive assault rifle.

A FN Fal
A G-3
A G-36(if i can get my hands on one)
But definetly and AR-15/M-4


but then again i enjoy shooting Assault Weapons.Assault rifle, or assault weapon? An assault weapon (even one that is a rifle) is totally different than an assault rifle (other than being a rifle and stuff like that...). To own an assault rifle you'll need to jump through a lot of legal hoops.

Assault rifle, or assault weapon? An assault weapon (even one that is a rifle) is totally different than an assault rifle (other than being a rifle and stuff like that...). To own an assault rifle you'll need to jump through a lot of legal hoops.

oh really?


I just order one online from say, Bushmaster, pay them, Do the mandatory backround check, Talk to a local sporting goods store that has a FFL, the AR-15/M-4 is sent to that sporting goods store, i pay them a handling fee (like 70 Bucks)

And Bam, I have a Semi-Automatic rifle with a 30 Round Magazine, And it is the Carbine form of the US Army's M-16A4

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bcwa3f16m4.asp
so thats a lot of legal hoops eh?

oh really?


I just order one online from say, Bushmaster, pay them, Do the mandatory backround check, Talk to a local sporting goods store that has a FFL, the AR-15/M-4 is sent to that sporting goods store, i pay them a handling fee (like 70 Bucks)

And Bam, I have a Semi-Automatic rifle with a 30 Round Magazine, And it is the Carbine form of the US Army's M-16A4

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bcwa3f16m4.asp
so thats a lot of legal hoops eh?A semi-automatic rifle is by definition not an assault rifle. An assault rifle has to be able to fire fully automatically or in a burst mode.

Care to compare the crime rate in the UK vs Canada? Lots of guns in canada.

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It is an odd preconception that equates the gun ownership in Canada to the American attitude towards them.

In Canada- yes there are lots of guns. But unlike the US we have very few handguns. The Canadian mindset is that guns are perfectly acceptable tools for those who enjoy hunting. But virtually nobody purchases a weapon for self-defence. We don't have the general sentiment that this is a requirement.

I didn't expect the poll to be this tight. 103 to 104. Phew. Personally i would love to be able to own a gun. It would make me feel a lot more secure, but i suppose all and sundry owning guns might make me feel insecure....

Well we would have to wouldnt we, if any bigot could get a gun you would need a gun to keep the scallys away. :sniper:

Murder rate would be up thats for sure...


that's why everyone in mississippi thinks they need a gun.Just replace bigot with criminal.

HOLY CRAP!!! Its tied! 50:50! 107-107!

I live in the US so it is legal. When I'm 18 I'll buy a pistol.

^^^I will too.
On topic...either a Glock 9mm or USP .45 caliber. Hey, it is protected by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. The Second Amendmentl...America's First Department of Homeland Security.

Wow. A lot of people think they are going to be attacked with guns.

And no matter how well you parent, if there's a kid in the house with a gun, terrible things could happen.

Personally, guns scare the shit out of me, so I wouldn't own one. I'll take a couple of my father's swords, maybe... but guns kill far too easily for me to be relieved with them around.

I mean, second amendment, everyone has their right...

The one thing that really bothers me would be assault weapons/rifles, or of that type. A pistol/handgun for when someone breaks in, okay, sure, yeah. What's an assault rifle for, when the entire Mafia breaks in?

When I turn 18, I'm gonna go get me a Mosin-Nagant M1891, a Nagant revolver, a Makarov, a Glock 22, and, best of all, an M14. :D

And you can't have a first without a second!

Technically, DA, it is estimated that in the oppressive majority of armed self-defense cases, success is achieved without anybody (even the criminal) being killed. Intimidation is generally sufficient.
AMEN!!!! And I am not for gun control unless you mean gun control to be using two hands and good aim....

Wow. A lot of people think they are going to be attacked with guns.

And no matter how well you parent, if there's a kid in the house with a gun, terrible things could happen.

Personally, guns scare the shit out of me, so I wouldn't own one. I'll take a couple of my father's swords, maybe... but guns kill far too easily for me to be relieved with them around.

I mean, second amendment, everyone has their right...

The one thing that really bothers me would be assault weapons/rifles, or of that type. A pistol/handgun for when someone breaks in, okay, sure, yeah. What's an assault rifle for, when the entire Mafia breaks in?
Hey Blacklest can you define "assault rifle " for me? Honestly....What is the definition? Is not every firearm an assault weapon? So where do you draw the line? :)

^^^I will too.
On topic...either a Glock 9mm or USP .45 caliber. Hey, it is protected by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. The Second Amendmentl...America's First Department of Homeland Security.
Amen!!!

I didn't expect the poll to be this tight. 103 to 104. Phew. Personally i would love to be able to own a gun. It would make me feel a lot more secure, but i suppose all and sundry owning guns might make me feel insecure....
The problem with true control is that it keeps the guns in the hands of street thugs and gangsters and out of the hands of law abiding citizens....In the mid 1990's a city in Georgia, USA passed an ordinance requiring all the citizens with in city limits to purchase a firearm of some sort due to a large out break of violent breaking and enterings ....The odd thing was that the crime rate overall in this city fell...DRAMATICALLY!!! I do not advocate the ownership of firearms for all people.....But it sure does help keep the sundries in line....Have a nice day....

I think the general public is very mislead by the mainstream media and are generally ignorant on the subject. For those of you who have never shot a weapon, I encourage you to give it a try! If it is not for you, then at least you know. Get educated about it. Most people don't know the difference between Full Auto, Semi Auto, and other types of weapons. If it is not your thing, no big deal, people like different things, but it does not mean everyone should believe exactly the way you do. But if enjoying firearms is your thing, BE RESPONSIBLE. Don't be a dumbass and let your 3yr old play cowboy with your 44. Teach your children about the dangers of guns and that they should respect them. They are NOT TOYS, they are tools.

Self defense is also a very important point about owning a gun. Criminals are law breakers and laws regarding what types of weapons you may carry mean absolutely nothing to these people. You do not see criminals who use these types of weapons go "damn this gun was made fully automatic illegally, I better not use it when I rob grandma". If they had that switch in their brains, they would not be robbing grandma in the first place. For those of you in this forum looking for some education on this subject, I hope this has helped you. For you Brits out there, I have some statistics for you:

Australians were forced by new law to surrender personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australian taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

In the first year alone: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!) In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!) While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns."

For others of you who may still be on the fence about gun control please consider the following:

Turkey established gun control in 1911. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Stalin Supported Gun Control!! The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Mao Supported Gun Control!! China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Hitler Loved Gun Control!! Germany established gun control in 1938. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and other "undesirables" who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Gun control didn't make any of the 56 million (that's 56,000,000) people exterminated in the Twentieth Century safer. Gun Control didn't protect the 16,914 Americans murdered in 1998, or the 18,208 murdered in 1997, either.

Gun control simply created millions of disarmed, defenseless victims

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

The problem with true control is that it keeps the guns in the hands of street thugs and gangsters and out of the hands of law abiding citizens....In the mid 1990's a city in Georgia, USA passed an ordinance requiring all the citizens with in city limits to purchase a firearm of some sort due to a large out break of violent breaking and enterings ....The odd thing was that the crime rate overall in this city fell...DRAMATICALLY!!! I do not advocate the ownership of firearms for all people.....But it sure does help keep the sundries in line....Have a nice day....

Compulsory gun control?! There's an idea. I suppose knowing that anyone you would try to rob or mug would have a gun would sort of put you off. Great idea.

The one thing that really bothers me would be assault weapons/rifles, or of that type. A pistol/handgun for when someone breaks in, okay, sure, yeah. What's an assault rifle for, when the entire Mafia breaks in?
Hey Blacklest can you define "assault rifle " for me? Honestly....What is the definition? Is not every firearm an assault weapon? So where do you draw the line? :)
Assault rifles are selective fire intermediate-power rifles.
I think there are lots of mistakes in the mission section of the article, but the history and definition are, AFAIK, correct.
(30) The term ''semiautomatic assault weapon'' means -
(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the
firearms in any caliber, known as -
(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat
Kalashnikovs (all models);
(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
(iv) Colt AR-15;
(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
(vii) Steyr AUG;
(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the
Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a
detachable magazine and has at least 2 of -
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the
action of the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to
accommodate a flash suppressor; and
(v) a grenade launcher;
(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a
detachable magazine and has at least 2 of -
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol
outside of the pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel
extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or
completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter
to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being
burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the
pistol is unloaded; and
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of -
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the
action of the weapon;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.
The assault weapons ban specifically did not ban any weapons capable of firing fully automatically. A fully automatic Uzi would be legal, while a semi-automatic one would not.

Hey Blacklest can you define "assault rifle " for me? Honestly....What is the definition? Is not every firearm an assault weapon? So where do you draw the line?

Yeah I don't know how to say their proper name. There was an assault gun ban in the U.S. that was recently removed. THOSE kind. The kind that shoot out 9437503945 bullets at a time or whichever.

I'd probably get a shotgun for clay pigeon shooting, that sort of thing. I just can't bothered to go through the legal trouble to get my hands on one at the moment.

Yeah I don't know how to say their proper name. There was an assault gun ban in the U.S. that was recently removed. THOSE kind. The kind that shoot out 9437503945 bullets at a time or whichever.You're thinking of automatic weapons. The assault weapons ban, despite its name, specifically did not ban them. It only banned certain guns that shoot one bullet at a time, based on their appearances.

Well we would have to wouldnt we, if any bigot could get a gun you would need a gun to keep the scallys away. :sniper:

Murder rate would be up thats for sure...
that isn't true, it is a proven fact that when you disarm the people the crime rate goes up, espcially violent crime, that is because the bad guys know that you probably won't have a weapon with which to defend your self with, and he isn't about to go and buy a gun legally that would just be stupid and he is the bad guy so he is goin to commit a crime anyway, and usually the murders that are commited witha personal firearm abtained legally are crimes of passion, which means somthin happens and they go out and kill them, and a gun is just teh most efficient tool for doin it, if tehy don't have a gun then they will use a knife or somthin else, but that fact remains that and armed country is a genrally safe country, just look at switzerland

You're thinking of automatic weapons. The assault weapons ban, despite its name, specifically did not ban them. It only banned certain guns that shoot one bullet at a time, based on their appearances.
their appearance and how many bullets a clip/magazine could hold

Compulsory gun control?! There's an idea. I suppose knowing that anyone you would try to rob or mug would have a gun would sort of put you off. Great idea.
exactly, even though you hear about all the attacks in israel and such those are ppl that can't be stopped because of their mind set, but one example of how an armed population is a safer one is, little back ground first, it is a law that at least one teacher has to carry a firearm or somthin like that in israel, so this class goes on a field trip and the bus is stopped somewhere, and a terrorists gets on and is trin to take over the bus and hold it hostage at least one of the teachers takes the dude out with her side arm, on the way to the hospital the terrorist says somthin to the effect that it wasn't fair for them to be armed and shortly there after dies, think about it makes sense to me.. an armed community is a safe community

oh really?


I just order one online from say, Bushmaster, pay them, Do the mandatory backround check, Talk to a local sporting goods store that has a FFL, the AR-15/M-4 is sent to that sporting goods store, i pay them a handling fee (like 70 Bucks)

And Bam, I have a Semi-Automatic rifle with a 30 Round Magazine, And it is the Carbine form of the US Army's M-16A4

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bcwa3f16m4.asp
so thats a lot of legal hoops eh?
semi-automatic, that is the point it only looks like it, to get a true assault rifle you do have to go through alot of red tape, and assualt rifle is a weapon that changes its firing rate, from semi, to 3,4... round bursts, or fully automatic, what you got is somthin that looks like an assualt rifle but it functions as any other semi automatic weapon

that's why everyone in mississippi thinks they need a gun.Just replace bigot with criminal.
that about the size of it, but criminals genrally don't obtain their weapons of crime legally

^^^I will too.
On topic...either a Glock 9mm or USP .45 caliber. Hey, it is protected by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. The Second Amendmentl...America's First Department of Homeland Security.
actually the .40 has just as much knock down power as a .45 but it does one better with a higher velocity

Wow. A lot of people think they are going to be attacked with guns.

And no matter how well you parent, if there's a kid in the house with a gun, terrible things could happen.

Personally, guns scare the shit out of me, so I wouldn't own one. I'll take a couple of my father's swords, maybe... but guns kill far too easily for me to be relieved with them around.

I mean, second amendment, everyone has their right...

The one thing that really bothers me would be assault weapons/rifles, or of that type. A pistol/handgun for when someone breaks in, okay, sure, yeah. What's an assault rifle for, when the entire Mafia breaks in?
i have been shooting guns since i was very young maybe even three but it was always under close supervision and saftey was and is still stressed, that is what needs to be done, if you have a weapon your child must know about it, and the dangers when used improperly, not to mention you yourself need to know how to properly store and lock away your guns, i mean if you don't know what needs to be done your child most certainly won't

If you want to buy a gun the join the army. Nobody needs a gun around.
:eek: :sniper:
guns don't kill, people kill, and guns are not only a tool but they are also a good source of recreation, and if i didn't have guns around there would be hell to pay

The assault weapons ban specifically did not ban any weapons capable of firing fully automatically. A fully automatic Uzi would be legal, while a semi-automatic one would not.

Fully-automatic weapons have been regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934. Methinks you should do a bit more research.

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actually the .40 has just as much knock down power as a .45 but it does one better with a higher velocityWhat I've read says it's less effective. :\
Fully-automatic weapons have been regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934.I know that. Fully automatic weapons are regulated, but are legal to own. My statement is valid.

Some examples of the types of firearms that must be registered are:
Machineguns;
The frames or receivers of machineguns;
Any combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting weapons into machineguns;
Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for converting a weapon into a machinegun;
Any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person;
Silencers and any part designed and intended for fabricating a silencer;
Short-barreled rifles;
Short-barreled shotguns;
Destructive devices; and,
"Any other weapons."

A few examples of destructive devices are:
Molotov cocktails;
Anti-tank guns (over caliber .50);
Bazookas; and,
Mortars.

A few examples of "any other weapon" are:
H& R Handyguns;
Ithaca Auto-Burglar guns;
Cane guns; and,
Gadget-type firearms and "pen" guns which fire fixed ammunition.

(M2) How can an individual legally acquire NFA firearms? [Back]

Basically, there are 2 ways that an individual (who is not prohibited by Federal, state, or local law from receiving or possessing firearms) may legally acquire NFA firearms:

(1) By lawful transfer of a registered weapon from its lawful owner residing in the same state as the transferee. Obtain any forms needed from the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch, Washington, DC 20226.
(2) By obtaining prior approvals to make NFA firearms. [27 CFR 179.84-179.87 and 179.62-179.67]

Very interesting. 'Yes' seems to be pulling away slightly.

What do any of you guys think of the P90? Personally i love the thing. Don't suppose anyone here has fired one.....

What do any of you guys think of the P90?I don't like it. It'd be handy for penetrating ballistic vests, but the 5.7x28mm cartridge doesn't seem to be much good for anything else.
Don't suppose anyone here has fired one.....Not me, anyway.

...with a sword or a spade?

Yeah, and anything else potentially lethal.

Only morons buy guns.
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Brilliant observation.
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Wow. A lot of people think they are going to be attacked with guns.


They do? I just want my pistol there when I'm attacked by ANYTHING. Not just someone with another firearm. Besides, if they already have the firearm out and pointing at you, it's not advisable to actually reach for your own that instant.


And no matter how well you parent, if there's a kid in the house with a gun, terrible things could happen.


And like those kids in California that were killed because the oldest child wasn't allowed to get the gun because it was locked away (nifty "protective" laws), four kids died.


Personally, guns scare the shit out of me, so I wouldn't own one. I'll take a couple of my father's swords, maybe... but guns kill far too easily for me to be relieved with them around.


And that is definitely your right, and I certainly wouldn't force you to own one. Most other pro-gun people wouldn't either. We just get ornery when people that don't have guns (or some that do) try to tell us we can't own ours.


I mean, second amendment, everyone has their right...


Thank you. Some aren't as willing to not try to control others.


The one thing that really bothers me would be assault weapons/rifles, or of that type. A pistol/handgun for when someone breaks in, okay, sure, yeah. What's an assault rifle for, when the entire Mafia breaks in?

The media has turned assault weapon and assault rifle into things they aren't. Assault rifles are military arms that are currently restricted (not banned) from civilians. There are legal means to get them. Assault weapons, on the other hand is a scare-tactic term generated by the media. A Bushmaster or Armalite rifle has the same workings and capabilities as many other semi-automatic hunting rifles. There is nothing more lethal about them. It's ALL media and Brady Foundation hype. I would love to have an ar-15 for a home-defense weapon. However, I haven't disciplined myself enought to save up for them.

oh really?


I just order one online from say, Bushmaster, pay them, Do the mandatory backround check, Talk to a local sporting goods store that has a FFL, the AR-15/M-4 is sent to that sporting goods store, i pay them a handling fee (like 70 Bucks)

And Bam, I have a Semi-Automatic rifle with a 30 Round Magazine, And it is the Carbine form of the US Army's M-16A4

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bcwa3f16m4.asp
so thats a lot of legal hoops eh?

Assault rifles are fully automatic or select-fire weapons. Yes, you DO have to go through a lot of hoops to get one. You just bought a semi-automatic rifle. Whee ha. You didn't buy an assault rifle.

Yeah I don't know how to say their proper name. There was an assault gun ban in the U.S. that was recently removed. THOSE kind. The kind that shoot out 9437503945 bullets at a time or whichever.

That ban didn't cover automatic weapons. You're using the terms the media dangles before you, instead of actually researching the topic.