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should ignorant religious fundamentalists be allowed to breed?

Lutton
18-11-2004, 10:05
Whatever religion they profess to follow, shouldn't they all be quietly sterilised?
New Granada
18-11-2004, 10:05
Whatever religion they profess to follow, shouldn't they all be quietly sterilised?


Tisk, its not that they shouldnt be allowed to breed - we need workers - just that they shouldnt be allowed to *vote.*
Goed Twee
18-11-2004, 10:07
let them breed, but also let them have their own goddamn country. Then in a decade or two we'll have to take out their ruthless dictator and claim the lands as our own. But hey, then they'll shut up.
Matalatataka
18-11-2004, 10:10
Whatever religion they profess to follow, shouldn't they all be quietly sterilised?


Why do it quietly? :sniper: :p
Helioterra
18-11-2004, 10:12
If they know how to do it
Shaed
18-11-2004, 10:17
Whatever religion they profess to follow, shouldn't they all be quietly sterilised?

Hmm... I think a more complicated standard should be in place.

People who can't keep religion out of politics, or think religion *should* be involved in politics should not be allowed to vote.

People who either try to force religion on their children, or show signs of being at risk of doing so, should be sterilised.

And people who try to force their religion on me should just be plain shot.
Chodolo
18-11-2004, 10:17
I say we show them the ways of love and tolerance, show them the error of their hateful ways, preach to them respect...

ah fuck it. Cut their balls off.
Matalatataka
18-11-2004, 10:20
Yeah, Baby!! Chop-chop !!
He Far Strelso
18-11-2004, 10:21
Whatever religion they profess to follow, shouldn't they all be quietly sterilised?

Well, I'm also in favour of noisy sterilisation, tuneful sterilisation, and downright forceful & absolute sterilisation of these infestations among humanity (which is one trait they *never* display)-
Il Cuzzo
18-11-2004, 10:26
wow
yall are pretty gung-ho anti-religion
Trinitium
18-11-2004, 10:28
You have all demonstrated yourselves to be just as bigoted and fundamental as the people you hate.

CONGRATULATIONS!

Ignorance exists in all walks of life, get used to it.
Il Cuzzo
18-11-2004, 10:30
yeah, I'll be the first to admit that there are some cazy religous assholes out there but is a little tolerance is in order
Il Cuzzo
18-11-2004, 10:31
we could kill them outright but then we would be no better
Il Cuzzo
18-11-2004, 10:31
be like john kerry and think of them as a niusance
Moontian
18-11-2004, 10:32
You could sterilise them soon after birth. Vasectomies for the males, tubal ligation for the females. Both are reversible and don't interfere in their development.
Il Cuzzo
18-11-2004, 10:32
really
Il Cuzzo
18-11-2004, 10:33
You could sterilise them soon after birth. Vasectomies for the males, tubal ligation for the females. Both are reversible and don't interfere in their development.


from birth?

you won't even let them decide for themselves?
JiangGuo
18-11-2004, 10:42
This proposal, while sounding very appealing would be letting the religious zealots win. Thats because we're forcibly making them something they're not meant to be. Us open-minded/enlightened people would be sinking to their level.
Chodolo
18-11-2004, 10:42
Il Cuzzo, this is obviously a joke thread. :p
Deeelo
18-11-2004, 10:45
Only if thay are married do so in the missionary position and only for purposes of procreation, otherwise it's a SIN.
Matalatataka
18-11-2004, 10:47
Il Cuzzo, this is obviously a joke thread. :p

Some never seem to get that when it's happening. But then, is it? :D
Draconia Dragoon
18-11-2004, 10:52
Why make it so they cant breed ;) just give them rule over their own little island somwhere and they will wipe themselfs out.
Adrian Barbeau-Bot
18-11-2004, 10:53
how about we just give them the middle eastern countries their taking away? seems like a win-win situation to me. better yet, give 'em the south. most of 'em wouldnt have to move anyway. we wouldnt be losing much. if they keep screwing with everyone else, well, thats when we should start thinking about castration.

you monsters werent even going to give them a chance to leave everyone else the hell alone.
New Psylos
18-11-2004, 10:59
we could kill them outright but then we would be no better
I don't agree with this assertion.
There is a line where tolerance should not be practised anymore or tolerance kills itself. You can not tolerate intolerance. Not tolerating intolerance does not bring you to the level of the intolerant because not tolerating an ideology is not the same as not tolerating people.
The nazis you don't tolerate can change what they are.
The jews the nazis don't tolerate can't change what they are.
Trinitium
18-11-2004, 11:04
The ones I dislike are the atheist fundamentalists that have a religious non-belief so extreme that they are basically just the same as the religious people they hate.
Psylos
18-11-2004, 11:08
The ones I dislike are the atheist fundamentalists that have a religious non-belief so extreme that they are basically just the same as the religious people they hate.
The atheist believes in science.
The religious blindly follows holy books.

In which way are they the same?
Helioterra
18-11-2004, 11:08
The ones I dislike are the atheist fundamentalists that have a religious non-belief so extreme that they are basically just the same as the religious people they hate.
Death to all fanatics!!! :D
Adrian Barbeau-Bot
18-11-2004, 11:15
The ones I dislike are the atheist fundamentalists that have a religious non-belief so extreme that they are basically just the same as the religious people they hate.

the ones i hate (i dont know about hate, i dont like that word. i dont understand them.) are the people who label themselves as part of a group and share ideas. i perfer to look at each thing, and think of my opinion of it on my own.
Sheilanagig
18-11-2004, 11:26
Hey, I can respect religious beliefs, but when they contradict themselves and hate everyone who isn't as righteous as they are, which is anybody else...

I have no time for that shit. Maybe we can breed it out of humanity. At least the more extreme versions. You know, the ones who think they have the right to run other people.
Greedy Pig
18-11-2004, 12:56
Umm. I consider judging someone as an ignorant religious fundamentalist very subjective.

Because where do you draw the lines where you consider someone a Ignorant fundamentalist and moderately well-informed educated religious person?

Sooner or later, someone would be spouting eventually, that 'as long as you believe in God, your a fundie'.
Monkeypimp
18-11-2004, 13:03
Lets just outlaw Marriage. That'll throw the cat amoungst the pigeons...
Shaed
18-11-2004, 13:06
Umm. I consider judging someone as an ignorant religious fundamentalist very subjective.

Because where do you draw the lines where you consider someone a Ignorant fundamentalist and moderately well-informed educated religious person?

Sooner or later, someone would be spouting eventually, that 'as long as you believe in God, your a fundie'.

I find it remarkably easy, as outlined in my post... people who would push it into law, or onto their children, are the ones to watch.

People who can recognise that religion is a *personal* issue are perfectly fine, and agreeable, and wouldn't have anything to worry about (under my system, at any rate).
Lutton
18-11-2004, 14:51
Some never seem to get that when it's happening. But then, is it? :D

Oh yes! :D
Lutton
18-11-2004, 14:54
You have all demonstrated yourselves to be just as bigoted and fundamental as the people you hate.

CONGRATULATIONS!

Ignorance exists in all walks of life, get used to it.

Congratulations! You win today's prize for the Person With The Least Sense Of Humour. :p
Sheilanagig
18-11-2004, 15:07
Umm. I consider judging someone as an ignorant religious fundamentalist very subjective.

Because where do you draw the lines where you consider someone a Ignorant fundamentalist and moderately well-informed educated religious person?

Sooner or later, someone would be spouting eventually, that 'as long as you believe in God, your a fundie'.

Not at all. I wouldn't, at any rate. I respect people who are religious, as long as they respect my feelings too. If they trample all over me with religious zeal, then they're a fundie with no respect or time for anyone who isn't just like them.

An educated person would never do this, right? An intelligent, rational human being just wouldn't.
Torching Witches
18-11-2004, 15:39
Not at all. I wouldn't, at any rate. I respect people who are religious, as long as they respect my feelings too. If they trample all over me with religious zeal, then they're a fundie with no respect or time for anyone who isn't just like them.

An educated person would never do this, right? An intelligent, rational human being just wouldn't.

Yes they would. It's amazing how much an intelligent person will close their eyes and ears to something because it doesn't fit with their beliefs.
Angry Keep Left Signs
18-11-2004, 15:40
Only in Battery farms.
Mutual Liberty
18-11-2004, 15:52
They should be allowed to breed, but social services should seize their children if they teach them about their beliefs before the age of 13.

Child abuse is unacceptable.
Rasados
18-11-2004, 17:18
ill agree to that.anyone who deems fit to force there beliefs on there children should have the children become wards of the state.actully my belief is EVERYONE should be raised by the state.this weeds out religous nuts in a generation or two easy.
Torching Witches
18-11-2004, 17:25
ill agree to that.anyone who deems fit to force there beliefs on there children should have the children become wards of the state.actully my belief is EVERYONE should be raised by the state.this weeds out religous nuts in a generation or two easy.

Unless, of course, the state is run by very religious people.
Layarteb
18-11-2004, 17:36
No...
The Modern Foundation
18-11-2004, 17:39
Of course religion and morality play a large role in any political decision, voting. Who you are and what you stand for IS the fundamental of the voter's voice.

No, the problem with the fanatics is tow fold:
1. They tend to have a strange single-issue focus on morality. IF you don't "kill babies" ie pro-life, you have liscence to be as immoral as you please outside that box. Declare war on countries, use the death penalty, make it so families cannot make a living wage in labor jobs, give incentives to help the most wealthy STAY the most wealthy and the impoverished to be more impoverished....

2. They do not hold their candidates feet to the fire when elected. After these pro-life candidates get into office and do NOT produce pro-life legislation it's all forgiven in the next election cycle when they just declare themself=ves pro-life again and bring in the sheep form the fold to vote for them again.

Single issue voters either need to widen their focus or get results from that focus.
Friend Computer
18-11-2004, 17:47
Sterilize them?
Why not just re-educate them instead?
Re-education, of course, involving two large electrodes and a mains socket.
Subterfuges
18-11-2004, 18:25
I don't think it would be so easy to kill someone who is not afraid to die. Someone who has profound moral principals on Courage, Determination, Self-Control, Diligence and other character. Yes just kill them like you do in the video games all the time. It's just so simple to deny someone that right to life isn't it? Well not if they are armed with the weapons you want to ban. I believe that President Bush will be assassinated by one of you idiots. I see animosity growing on this message board and it's not a good sign. Some say there will be a civil war. There definitely isn't going to be a civil war, but because of this there definitely might be an assassination attempt. I worry because I have been talking about things before they happen lately. Sterilize? What a bunch of cowards.
Razmatazz Shenanigans
18-11-2004, 18:44
I think we should just sterilize everybody, unless by the age of 13 they are showing promising signs of becoming a sensible, compassionate human being. The world has enough PEOPLE as it is.
New Auburnland
18-11-2004, 18:45
Whatever religion they profess to follow, shouldn't they all be quietly sterilised?

should fags be allowed to adopt?
Subterfuges
18-11-2004, 18:58
Your post reminds me of C.S. Lewis Abolition of Man. Why do you want to sterilize? Because you yourselves do not want to reproduce. You use birth control, abortion and homosexuality no wonder you guys want to sterilize us. Now we are the majority. You didn't want your children, but we wanted ours. Now you want to force your education down our child's throats, and sterilize us. As long as you want to deny other people thier lives you can start by killing your own. Wait I forgot, you already did. As long as you deny life yourselves will not be in the majority, until you deny the life of us. You haters of life should not of even been born.
Energon
18-11-2004, 18:58
I have this fantastic, unbelievably awsome idea, that will revolutionize the way the world is run. I've entitled it the KILL EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME plan. Not only will this remove them from the gene pool, but from my hair, as well! It's absolutely foolproof, since once we're done, only the people who agreed to the plan in the first place will be left alive.

As you can see, the plan's flawless. And morally correct, too, because the BEST choice is obviously my choice, and anyone who can't see that is a blithering moron who should be castrated, and then put to death in a planet-wide culling.

Grand enough for ya'? I figure, when all is said and done, we can teach our children that obliterating everyone who disagreed with us was the best course of action, and that it has helped humanity in ways that they're just too young to understand. Which is why they should nod their heads and shut up, like good children.

:D
New Auburnland
18-11-2004, 19:02
I have this fantastic, unbelievably awsome idea, that will revolutionize the way the world is run. I've entitled it the KILL EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME plan. Not only will this remove them from the gene pool, but from my hair, as well! It's absolutely foolproof, since once we're done, only the people who agreed to the plan in the first place will be left alive.

As you can see, the plan's flawless. And morally correct, too, because the BEST choice is obviously my choice, and anyone who can't see that is a blithering moron who should be castrated, and then put to death in a planet-wide culling.

Grand enough for ya'? I figure, when all is said and done, we can teach our children that obliterating everyone who disagreed with us was the best course of action, and that it has helped humanity in ways that they're just too young to understand. Which is why they should nod their heads and shut up, like good children.

:D
Hell yeah man. It would be like Darwinism but you could call it "Energonism"
Drukpa
18-11-2004, 19:11
Wow...this thread is pathetic.