NationStates Jolt Archive

Israeli Aggression against the Palestinian People
From: Tuesday, November 16, 2004
To: Wednesday, November 17, 2004


(1) Palestinian women was killed, (6) Palestinians were wounded, and (14) were arrested. (150) trees were uprooted and (50) dunams of land were bulldozed. (4) houses and (1) economic establishment were damaged. Palestinian areas were shelled and bombarded (9) times.


Ramallah & El Bireh: The occupation forces stormed the villages of Baraqa, invaded and ransacked Palestinian houses, arrested a Palestinian lady and erected a number of checkpoints and prevented Palestinians from reaching the city.

Nablus: The occupation forces closed off all military checkpoints surrounding the city holding hundreds of Palestinians, including women and children. Jewish settlers attacked and wounded a number of Palestinian farmers in the village of Owarta.

Jenin: The occupation forces invaded Palestinian houses in the city, the refugee camp and in several villages and arrested four Palestinians.

Tulkarem: The occupation forces closed off Saida military checkpoint, held tens of Palestinian vehicles and arrested five Palestinians. The occupation troops also bulldozed vast areas of land with olive trees.

Salfeet: The occupation forces invaded and ransacked Palestinian houses in the city.

Hebron: The occupation forces invaded and damaged Palestinian houses in several parts of the city, and arrested one Palestinian. Jewish settlers attacked and damaged Palestinian houses in Wadi Al Nasara.

Bethlehem: The occupation forces invaded and vandalized Palestinian houses in the village of Al Khader and Al Doheishe refugee camp and arrested three Palestinians.

Gaza: One Palestinian lady died of wounds sustained earlier when the occupation forces invaded Al Dahdouh area.

Mid-Area: The occupation forces invaded east of Al Bureij refugee camp and bulldozed vast area of land.

Khan Younis: The occupation forces closed off Abu holy checkpoint.

Rafah: The occupation forces continue preventing Palestinians under the age of [35] from travelling through Rafah crossing.

http://www.p-p-o.com/Eng/2004/kh11/17-11-2004.htm

Again it falls on deaf ears. The Jews and Americans will continue to ignore your peoples plight.

This again? :rolleyes:

What about the plight of over $3 billion now in Suha's Swiss accounts that belonged to the Palestinian people. Oh, I forgot, Palestinians idolize a man who denied them a state, used them as pawns, killed them if he thought they weren't loyal, and stole billions.

What about the plight of over $3 billion now in Suha's Swiss accounts that belonged to the Palestinian people. Oh, I forgot, Palestinians idolize a man who denied them a state, used them as pawns, killed them if he thought they weren't loyal, and stole billions.

Oh, it's you again. ;/

Well, let's start...

1. All these stupid things about Arafat "stealing" money is ludicrious. All enemies of the US seem to steal money but, of course, none of that money is EVER found or recovered. How ridiculous.

2. It is Israel who doesn't want an independent Palestinian state (which must include 100% of the West Bank and Gaza, full control over its resources, and East Jerusalem.)

What about the plight of over $3 billion now in Suha's Swiss accounts that belonged to the Palestinian people. Oh, I forgot, Palestinians idolize a man who denied them a state, used them as pawns, killed them if he thought they weren't loyal, and stole billions.

Oh, that's easy to forget. Everyone else does it too.

Oh, that's easy to forget. Everyone else does it too.

Yeah, everyone else forgets it because it's NOT TRUE.

What about the plight of over $3 billion now in Suha's Swiss accounts that belonged to the Palestinian people. Oh, I forgot, Palestinians idolize a man who denied them a state, used them as pawns, killed them if he thought they weren't loyal, and stole billions.

What does that have to do with the oppersion of the Palestinians? Arafat wanted an independent nation. And how is all this different from Sharon?

Oh, it's you again. ;/

Well, let's start...

1. All these stupid things about Arafat "stealing" money is ludicrious. All enemies of the US seem to steal money but, of course, none of that money is EVER found or recovered. How ridiculous.

2. It is Israel who doesn't want an independent Palestinian state (which must include 100% of the West Bank and Gaza, full control over its resources, and East Jerusalem.)
1. Arafat stole the money. The EU sent billions of aid that never got to the Palestinian people. Almost everyone in the world acknowledges this basic fact. The money was put in hidden accounts that can't be recovered by anyone but Suha now and she'll stay in France and spend the money. Face it, your heros Arafat and Saddam are low scum bucket terrorists who steal billions of dollars that are meant to feed their people.

2. Israel offered 97% of the land wanted, Arafat walked away and aids say he intended ahead of time to not take a state at Camp David and to attack. The Palestinians should've taken the 97%. If they could establish a good record of self government and keeping Hamas at bay they would have a chance of getting 100%. As for East Jerusalem no way that will happen. It is our land and will remain so. I'm all for a 2 state Plan, but Jerusalem is the land my ancestors built the temple on and the Palestinians can pry it from my cold dead hands. Of course the Palestinians won't get a state as Hamas won't let them as they want the destruction of Israel. I believe Abbas will work for peace. He tried it in 2003, but Arafat sabotaged him. Hamas will sabotage Abbas at every turn and that is unfortunate. He is the Palestinian's best hope.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2890379


In his four decades as Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat has run a murky financial empire that includes far-flung PLO investments in airlines, banana plantations and high-tech companies, and money hidden in bank accounts across the globe.

Jaweed al-Ghussein, a former PLO finance minister, told The Associated Press it was worth $3 billion to $5 billion when he quit in 1996.

2. Israel offered 97% of the land wanted, Arafat walked away and aids say he intended ahead of time to not take a state at Camp David and to attack. The Palestinians should've taken the 97%. If they could establish a good record of self government and keeping Hamas at bay they would have a chance of getting 100%. As for East Jerusalem no way that will happen. It is our land and will remain so. I'm all for a 2 state Plan, but Jerusalem is the land my ancestors built the temple on and the Palestinians can pry it from my cold dead hands. Of course the Palestinians won't get a state as Hamas won't let them as they want the destruction of Israel. I believe Abbas will work for peace. He tried it in 2003, but Arafat sabotaged him. Hamas will sabotage Abbas at every turn and that is unfortunate. He is the Palestinian's best hope.

Let's see..

Camp David was a farce. The West Bank was to be divided into three sections, which in turn would be divided into 'A', 'B', and 'C' zones. Some of the best agricultural land in the West Bank would be stolen and worthless desert land be given in return. The borders with Egypt and Jordan would be under the control of Israel. The settlements would remain. Electricity and water would remain under Israeli control. That's not a state and I'm glad Arafat did not accept. I don't care what was built their thousands of years ago and neither does the majority of the world. Abbas will not last long, however, I do fear that after him Hamas or some other radical Islamic fundamentalists will take over, which will not be good.

Camp David proposal:

http://www.nad-plo.org/images/maps/jpeg/campdavid.jpg

Camp David was a farce. The West Bank was to be divided into three sections, which in turn would be divided into 'A', 'B', and 'C' zones


The Palestinians would at least get a state and could then establish a track record for government and could get the whole Gaza Strip and West Bank if they could prove themselves worthy in running a government and fighting Hamas. But, Arafat just wanted to drive the Jews into the sea anyways.

Some of the best agricultural land in the West Bank would be stolen and worthless desert land be given in return
Sounds like the land the Jews got in the 1948 partition where the Arabs thought they were screwed. Most of Israel's land is arid desert in the Negev, but guess what. Israeli hard work and science has made the desert green. If the Palestinian Authority could focus more on improving life instead of committing terrorist acts they could do such wonders.

The borders with Egypt and Jordan would be under the control of Israel.
And that is how it should be. Would you want a nation that has a large history of hostilities and attacking you on your holy day able to put troops in the Palestinian controlled areas so they could prepare to attack you?

The settlements would remain. Electricity and water would remain under Israeli control
Sharon is dismantling the settlements, your point is?

That's not a state and I'm glad Arafat did not accept. East Jerusalem will be the capital of Palestine.
It's the only state you will get and Arafat condemned the Palestinians to what ever life they live. East Jerusalem is our land and if you don't like it, that's the spoils of war. If the Arabs didn't attack Israel the Palestinians would have a state and East Jerusalem. And don't give me crap on the 6 Day war and how Israel started it. Egypt blockaded Israel and a blockade is an act of war. The Arabs started it.

Abbas will not last long, however, I do fear that after him Hamas or some other radical Islamic fundamentalists will take over, which will not be good.
I'm a little bit more optimistic here as I believe a majority of the Palestinians will want peace and will support Abbas. I know he will work for what is best in the name of peace and a Palestinian state. I do fear you will be right about Hamas though and agree that it would not be good.

The Palestinians are a group of barbaric savages that have shown throughout history that they cannot coexist peacefully with any other nation. Since the UN created Israel, the Palestinians have been dedicated to waging genocide on the Jewish people but due to their own lack of cilization and inner fighting have been unable to mount a successful war. They have derailed virtually every peace talk and cast aside every olive branch offered by the Israelis.

Perhaps it is time to simple push them into the sea and let history forget the bloodthirsty people that once called themselves Palestinian.

The Palestinians are a group of barbaric savages that have shown throughout history that they cannot coexist peacefully with any other nation. Since the UN created Israel, the Palestinians have been dedicated to waging genocide on the Jewish people but due to their own lack of cilization and inner fighting have been unable to mount a successful war. They have derailed virtually every peace talk and cast aside every olive branch offered by the Israelis.

Perhaps it is time to simple push them into the sea and let history forget the bloodthirsty people that once called themselves Palestinian.

I think your description fits both parties. The jews and palistinians.

Probably, yeah. The truth of the matter is somewhere between the extremes, but I'm tired of people characterizing a nation of terrorists as helpless victims of a giant evil aggressor, and are left with no choice but to bomb cafes and schoolbuses.

Yes they got a tough knock, but they helped make their own bed and now they have to sleep in it. They're just as guilty of their current situation as Israel is.