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I just finished watching The Simpsons episode "Much Apu About Nothing" and it struck me how similar it is to America. The Episode starts when an escaped bear is "terrorizing" the streets. An angry mob led by Homer demands precautions be taken to end the bear's terrorism. In response, the city launches patrol cars, stealth bombers, rediculous things like that (Patriot Act). Lisa points out that there was no proof the patrols were helping, that she could just as easily say a rock was stopping tigers on the grounds that there were no tigers(terrorists) to be seen. Homer demands she sell him the rock for his protection.

When taxes are raised to fund the patrols the Homer led mob(Republicans) again march to city hall and demand that taxes be decreased. They won't let them stop but they also wont pay the taxes that fund them. Mayor Quimby blames the problem on immigrants and the city by a massive 95% passes a proposition kicking illegal immigrants out of the country.

We should shoot every last one of those blood sucking leeches.

Yes, they should. Legal immigrants, no.

We should shoot every last one of those blood sucking leeches.
Is that a joke?

If illegal immigration was punishable by death then there wouldnt any illegal immigration consequently I support illegal immigration being punishable by death. America for the Americans

Frankly, if someone wants to come to our country and live here, that's all right with me. However, there is a process that they need to follow to do it legally. Other than that, kick their asses out.

If illegal immigration was punishable by death then there wouldnt any illegal immigration consequently I support illegal immigration being punishable by death. America for the Americans
Wow, I'm a little surprised there are so many racists still out there (Although I probably shouldn't be)

Is that a joke?

Hell no

If illegal immigration was punishable by death then there wouldnt any illegal immigration consequently I support illegal immigration being punishable by death. America for the Americans
If being right wing was punishable by death then there wouldnt any right-wing consequently I support being right-wing being punishable by death. America for the Americans (god know I don't want the place)

I think they should ruthlessly prosecute the companies that hire the illegale immigrants, they wouldn't come here illegaly if no one was willing to hire them.

they are illegal, if I do recall...

I think they should ruthlessly prosecute the companies that hire the illegale immigrants, they wouldn't come here illegaly if no one was willing to hire them.
Why do you have a problem with them if they are working functioning members of society? Even if they were born somewhere else.

If being right wing was punishable by death then there wouldnt any right-wing consequently I support being right-wing being punishable by death. America for the Americans (god know I don't want the place)

Whatever in the future when your child becomes shitpoor because he lost his job to a mexican whose father was an illegal immigrant we will then see how you like react toward them.

We should shoot every last one of those blood sucking leeches.
And you hate Rush Limbaugh?

Whatever in the future when your child becomes shitpoor because he lost his job to a mexican whose father was an illegal immigrant we will then see how you like react toward them.
I think you have to worry more about your jobs moving overseas than being "stolen" by some immigrant.

Hey, how's this for an idea: Companies must pay immigrants minimum wage.

There, now there is no incentive to hire immigrants over you.

No jobs stolen.

Whatever in the future when your child becomes shitpoor because he lost his job to a mexican whose father was an illegal immigrant we will then see how you like react toward them.
I will react to them as people who left their country in the hopes of a better life and I'd wonder why my family wasn't getting any support from the government...HMMM? Republicans?

yes, they should be. or at the least forced to take a citizenship test.

Why do you have a problem with them if they are working functioning members of society? Even if they were born somewhere else.

I don't have a problem with them personaly I would be perfectly alright if they let them stay by making it easier to get in legaly, but as it is busnesses use them sa easily exploitable labor, refusing to pay them after the job is done cause what are they going to do tel the police, and they should be prosecuted for that. I'm just being realistic in what would happen if they started punishing companies for hiring illegal workers, namly people might be a little more hesitant to hire them.

yes, they should be. or at the least forced to take a citizenship test.
I hope you're aware that most Americans can't pass a citizenship test.

Yes illegals should be kicked out.

Then our immigration standards should be drastically relaxed so they can recross the border as Legal Immigrants.

I find it disgusting how certain Brown people get treated like dirt, while other brown people get coddled over an "defended".
Speaking directly.
Every middle eastern illegal should be deported with all due haste.
Every poor Latin American, Mexican bastard who actually came here for a better life should get a rednecks job.
I never seen a report of a pack of crazed Mexicans hijacking a plane and demanding the death of Americans.

I hope you're aware that most Americans can't pass a citizenship test.
You base that on what?
Could you link to the source please.

I will react to them as people who left their country in the hopes of a better life and I'd wonder why my family wasn't getting any support from the government...HMMM? Republicans?

If you support illegal immigration then you should be prepared to be replaced by them and if you do lose your job to one of them it isnt the job of the government to help you because your were being an idiot in the first place by supporting illegal immigration in the first place. If you support illegal immigration then you deserve to lose your job to one of them and then you will see for yourself why illegal immigration shouldnt be allowed...

I think you have to worry more about your jobs moving overseas than being "stolen" by some immigrant.

Hey, how's this for an idea: Companies must pay immigrants minimum wage.

There, now there is no incentive to hire immigrants over you.

No jobs stolen.
companies ARE required to pay all employees minimum wage. those who dont, are breaking the law. those who hire undocumented aliens are breaking the law.

we will not be honestly dealing with illegal immigration as long as it profits the big boys. when the rich and powerful want it stopped, it will be stopped.

undocumented aliens are an asset to SOMEONE. if they werent they wouldnt be here.

Hrmmm ...

Considering the Founding Fathers were all immigrants (born on the land, yes, but born as British Subjects) and there is no record of their Green Cards, I'd have to go with a no on this one.

If you support illegal immigration then you should be prepared to be replaced by them and if you do lose your job to one of them it isnt the job of the government to help you because your were being an idiot in the first place by supporting illegal immigration in the first place. If you support illegal immigration then you deserve to lose your job to one of them and then you will see for yourself why illegal immigration shouldnt be allowed...

Why would they replace you if they were made to pay the immigrant mimumum wage? Or if you worked hard to save money up for collage to get, oh I don't know, a skilled job that employers value too much to replace you? I mean, no mexicans are going to mug you and take your job. The only reason that they are hired above legel citizens is that they are willing to work harder for less money. Take a lesson from them.

companies ARE required to pay all employees minimum wage. those who dont, are breaking the law. those who hire undocumented aliens are breaking the law.

we will not be honestly dealing with illegal immigration as long as it profits the big boys. when the rich and powerful want it stopped, it will be stopped.

undocumented aliens are an asset to SOMEONE. if they werent they wouldnt be here.
Many Day workers come over from Mexico and help small businesses by providing cheaper labor then an American would work for-either minimum wage for a job no American would od for 5.45 an hour-or less then minimum-they wont report making american dollars they can take back to Mexico everyday.

All illegal immigrants should be kicked out of the country, regardless of circumstance. Period. We have enough problems without having to worry about undocumented aliens running around the countryside.

Yes and if I were in charge I would put up a giant wall on all the boarders and have checkpoints so people can enter the country legally.

companies ARE required to pay all employees minimum wage. those who dont, are breaking the law. those who hire undocumented aliens are breaking the law.

we will not be honestly dealing with illegal immigration as long as it profits the big boys. when the rich and powerful want it stopped, it will be stopped.

undocumented aliens are an asset to SOMEONE. if they werent they wouldnt be here.

Thats exactly what I'm trying to say.

Yes and if I were in charge I would put up a giant wall on all the boarders and have checkpoints so people can enter the country legally.


If only we'd thought of that when the Europeans were invading our pristine land.

Oh for a time machine ...

On the other hand ... in the words of Alro Guthrie ... You can't just build one big fort all around America ... how would you go to the beach?

Why would they replace you if they were made to pay the immigrant mimumum wage? Or if you worked hard to save money up for collage to get, oh I don't know, a skilled job that employers value too much to replace you? I mean, no mexicans are going to mug you and take your job. The only reason that they are hired above legel citizens is that they are willing to work harder for less money. Take a lesson from them.

their kids however will take my kids jobs. Im not worried about the first generation of illegal immigrants it their off-spring thats the problem.

their kids however will take my kids jobs. Im not worried about the first generation of illegal immigrants it their off-spring thats the problem.

I wouldn't worry about the illegal immigrants' kids. If I were you, I'd worry about my kids (who happen to be citizens). They're more intelligent, open-minded, and prettier than your kids. Your kids won't stand a chance.

Illegal immigrants' kids should be the least of your worries.

If they show they won't respect the laws of our country, they have no reason to be allowed to stay. That applies to anyone.

I mean, no mexicans are going to mug you and take your job.

No .... but it sure would be funny to see happen. :)

Spoiled conservative Americans are really mean :( . Immigrants are not the reason so many people are unemployed, anyone who has lived in this country over the last few years should know that. Job exportation, technology... take your pick. Don't go blaming people who are searching for a chance in life for the mistakes of your glorious good ol' boy politicians.

If they show they won't respect the laws of our country, they have no reason to be allowed to stay. That applies to anyone.

Okie ... you get your way.

We are now deporting you for that speeding ticket.

Spoiled conservative Americans are really mean :( .

A-feakin'-men.

I think they should ruthlessly prosecute the companies that hire the illegale immigrants, they wouldn't come here illegaly if no one was willing to hire them.

Hell ya!!! If a company hires illegal immigrants than the CEO should be put in jail. And the company should be fined 100% of there income for any year that it is proven that they had illegal immigrants working for them. That would solve the problem.

Spoiled conservative Americans are really mean :( . Immigrants are not the reason so many people are unemployed, anyone who has lived in this country over the last few years should know that. Job exportation, technology... take your pick. Don't go blaming people who are searching for a chance in life for the mistakes of your glorious good ol' boy politicians.

But if they want that chance they just need to apply for a work permit (green card) and come over the legal way.

Hell ya!!! If a company hires illegal immigrants than the CEO should be put in jail. And the company should be fined 100% of there income for any year that it is proven that they had illegal immigrants working for them. That would solve the problem.

You are probably being sarcastic, but you know what? it wouldn't phase me in the least if they did that. I'ld actualy be quite happy if they did that so long as they made sure all the people working for the company, other than the decision making people whose fault it was, were paid and compensated.

I am a legal immigrant and a native Cuban
and we have the Cuban Adjustment Act
which I support for personal, political and
ovious reasons but I have to admit even if
it is for political reasons unless it is for direct
political prosecution that one is asking for asylum
it is not fair.

I have to admit a legal immigrant is a legal immigrant
all all their rights should be respected
and an illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant,
I had to wait years before I emigrated legally.

I voted yes, and this should have been a public poll.

Okie ... you get your way.

We are now deporting you for that speeding ticket.What I'm saying is, if they just blatantly ignore the laws of the country to get in, how does it reflect on them? Not very well. If I want something from the store, I earn the money to buy it; I don't sneak in and steal it. Is it yours just because you do so?

For the record, I've never gotten a speeding ticket. ;)

I am, well, ashamed to say it, but i'm surprised. i shouldn't be surprised, but i am. I never knew so many people felt this way about illegal aliens. Now, i don't pretend to know much about the subject, i haven;t done any indepth research or anything, but I don't think illegal aliens should be kicked out of the country. I mean, thier are a lot of crappy things going on in latin america and south america right now, and i think the people, along with thier so called job stealing children who, if they stayed in thier countries, could grow up to being cocaine farmers or gurrilla soldiers for a violent resistence group, should have the oppertunity to live in america. Getting addmitience to America is really quite hard, thier is a long waiting period, and if i recall, less then 10% who apply accualy get accepted. They are really stuck in an awful situation, and i feel thier only oppertunity is to immigrate illegaly. i really think that immigartion laws should be relaxed. we are all immigrants in this country, even native americans, if you believe in the great migration of coarse. who cares where your from or how you got here, isn;t america supposed to be the land of equal oppertunity?

I have had a lot of friends who've been illegal immigrants and many of them got their citizenship when eligible. The truth is that they only take the jobs that the average American find too demeaning. They just want to be able to support their families and live free. I'm not saying we should open our borders but a lot of illegal immigrants just want a good life and have a lot to offer to this country. They shouldn't be persecueted for that.

You do have just as much opportunity as the next person to get in. How many illegal immigrants actually try to enter the US through legal means?

Why do you have a problem with them if they are working functioning members of society? Even if they were born somewhere else.

Because if they are Illegals then they are not paying any taxes on the money they are making. Yet they are using the services the tax money pays for!
Like police, free clinics, fire department, the roads, the list goes on and on.
If you want to work in america then do it legally Hundreds of thousand of immigrants come here the legal way every year. It is not hard.

Maybe the solution is to make it easier for immigrants to come in legally?

I've been living in the US for about 9 years, and I'm still not a US citizen. When I first came over from Poland I didn't figure I would be here for very long, but started going to school and couldn't return to Europe, mostly because I was to young and my family was here. In the last few years I've been told that I have to leave in 2008, or apply for US citizenship. Since I won't become a US citizen, I guess I'll be leaving, heh....

Assuming that the illegal immigrants could come here legally, then yes, they should be deported, kicked out, jailed, whatever. If not, then.

if they can't come here legally, because of terrorism, lack of funding and being stuck in a country that has no respect for humanity, no respect for family, no respect for human rights , then they should be allowed in with open arms. The point is, if they could come here legally, then they would try. But they can't. And as for that bullshit about losing jobs, are you saying that your children are so stupid that they won't be able to get a job via credentials and have to have mommy and daddy doing it for them?

essentially, if they are genuine refugees and asylum seekers, they should be allowed to stay.

Have a heart.

if its at all possible you jackals.

We did steal half of Mexico's territory (the good half) and left them with the crappy desert parts in the 1840s. You can't really blame them for sneaking back into the land that belonged to their ancestors. Plus we need cheap labor to do work that Americans won't do, and a large tax base pay for the babyboomers social security when they retire in the next few years.

America should abolish immigration restrictions and have an open door policy instead.

America should abolish immigration restrictions and have an open door policy instead.

Well maybe not completly you want to be able to make sure people aren't criminals or anything first.

I wouldn't worry about the illegal immigrants' kids. If I were you, I'd worry about my kids (who happen to be citizens). They're more intelligent, open-minded, and prettier than your kids. Your kids won't stand a chance.

Illegal immigrants' kids should be the least of your worries.

please my children will have genes that are ten times better then yours and seeing as im currently rich me and my family will have a great life ether way(take that hippie :p )

no respect for human rights??? I thought many of the people in the US did not think such rights are applicable in every circumstance. :D :p

*cough* Religious, racist redneck farmers who can't count on their hands *cough*

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Well maybe not completly you want to be able to make sure people aren't criminals or anything first.
Seeing as how many prisons in the US are privately run a massive influx of criminal immigrants is a great oppurtunity to create new jobs.

Assuming that the illegal immigrants could come here legally, then yes, they should be deported, kicked out, jailed, whatever. If not, then.

if they can't come here legally, because of terrorism, lack of funding and being stuck in a country that has no respect for humanity, no respect for family, no respect for human rights , then they should be allowed in with open arms.

essentially, if they are genuine refugees and asylum seekers, they should be allowed to stay.

Have a heart.

if its at all possible you jackals.

Those with a genuine claim for Asylum are allowed to stay. The problem is mainly that big companies/rich people want to hire Illegals because they can abuse them by pay them FAR less than minimum wage. This hurts the common person by taking away jobs. and hurts our economy because the money leaves the US.

please my children will have genes that are ten times better then yours and seeing as im currently rich me and my family will have a great life ether way(take that hippie :p )
you wish

I think you have to worry more about your jobs moving overseas than being "stolen" by some immigrant.


I agree.

Won't somebody please think of the children!?

Anyway, in response, no. Everything in our country is cyclical. For the sake of morality, immigrants, illegal or not, have every right to come to the US to try to make a better life. If they went through all the trouble of coming here, let them stay. i.e. Cubans riding rafts through miles of sea just to make it to Florida. How many people that naturalized Americans can say they'd do that to give their kids a better life?

For the sake of economy, you have to realize that, though this is terribly un-pc, immigrants work for a lot less money. So say, Wal-Mart hires illegal immigrants to work for them, while paying them under-wage. It's wrong, however, these people know that they can't get a job while being alien, and will take what is given to them. That low-cost labor is passed to the consumer.

^ I know that previous statement sounds terribly un-ethical, but think of it this way - it's better than the job being shipped overseas, where they would do the same exact thing.

It may not seem this way, but immigrants are vital to the economy, society, and after all, they deserve just as much freedom as we do.

Will somebody please think of the children!?

I'm sad Maude is dead.

Anyway, in response, no. Everything in our country is cyclical. For the sake of morality, immigrants, illegal or not, have every right to come to the US to try to make a better life. If they went through all the trouble of coming here, let them stay. i.e. Cubans riding rafts through miles of sea just to make it to Florida. How many people that naturalized Americans can say they'd do that to give their kids a better life?

For the sake of economy, you have to realize that, though this is terribly un-pc, immigrants work for a lot less money. So say, Wal-Mart hires illegal immigrants to work for them, while paying them under-wage. It's wrong, however, these people know that they can't get a job while being alien, and will take what is given to them. That low-cost labor is passed to the consumer.

^ I know that previous statement sounds terribly un-ethical, but think of it this way - it's better than the job being shipped overseas, where they would do the same exact thing.

It may not seem this way, but immigrants are vital to the economy, society, and after all, they deserve just as much freedom as we do.
All illegal immigrants should be given citizenship once they arrive.

All illegal immigrants should be given citizenship once they arrive.
Yeah

First off, the argument that illegal aliens should be allowd to stay because they're doing work americans find to demeaning is like saying blacks should have remained slaves because white people found picking cotton to be too hard.

before I say any more, let me make clear that I put a distinction between legal and illegal aliens. I have no problem, NO problem at all with legal immigration. I do have problems with the effect illegal immigration is having on our society. Two such places are border security, and public law enforcement. Polititions in Washington are afraid to realyl touch illegal immigration because of the effect it would have on their electoral futures (Mind you, it took Arizona's Proposition 200 to ensure that someone voting in that state was NOT an illegal alien). because of that, the border with Mexico has remained a scive, letting the flow of illegals in while making purely ceremonial attempts to curb the tide. 3 million immigrants a year cross that border. how difficult would it be for terrorists to take the same route? or drug smugglers?

Secondly, public law enforcement. Recently Chicago was forced, through protests and petitions, to stop the DUI roadblocks it was setting up, checking all the cars to see if the drivers were drunk.
Why were there complaints? Were there calls of racial profiling? of police intimidation? of invasion of civil rights or liberties?
No. The complaint was that too many illegal immigrants, who were unable to get a driver's license, were getting caught, and having their cars impounded. Put simply, too many criminals were being inconvenienced by the law being enforced.

Iraq's economy is in shambles right now. However, if every Iraqi came over to this country illegally, our economy would be hurt, and more importantly, there would be noone left in Iraq to try to improve ITS economy. Dispite the friends I have had that are illegal aliens, I aknowledge the fact that, as I see things, every illegal alien is a coward and traitor to their own country that ran away from their own countries economic problems, rather then trying to stay and fix them., with no regards to the law or goverments of either their own country or this one. Saying illegal immigrants shouldn't be deported it saying that criminals should not be punished for breaking the law.

I'd say yes. I have no problem with people immigrating over here. We're a nation of immigrants. The problem I have is the lack of respect for the rule of law, and a lot of people are unwilling to truly integrate into the country.

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please my children will have genes that are ten times better then yours and seeing as im currently rich me and my family will have a great life ether way(take that hippie :p )


Yeah ... well ... my dad can beat up your dad! (*snicker*)

Dontcha just love internet arguments? :D

Especially ones that have no basis in reality?

I mean ... come on ... first of all, illegal immigrants aren't just automatically kicked out. They are given a fair deportation hearing as per their rights protected by the Constitution of the United States (yes, it applies to everyone, not just US citizens). After all ... they may be here seeking assylum. I refer you to the recent case of the Cuban dance troop in Las Vegas.

That alone renders the whole question moot.

Should they be kicked out? Well, that's a matter of opinion. A hypothetical opinion. Opinions are like assholes ... everybody has one and they all stink.

They aren't arbitrarily kicked out. That is the reality.

They should be sent back immediately. As many others have mentioned, we are a nation of immigrants, however we are also a nation of LAW and ORDER. People who immigrate legally: 1) show their willingness/ability to work withing our system, 2) are less likely to apply for welfare programs or assistance, 3) tend to immigrate with the intention of "buying in to their new home country". This cannot be denied.

Being willing to work hard for peanuts does not waive one's obligation to observe laws(immigration or any other).

Kicking them out would be just like trying to stop outsourcing, economic stupidity. Its not the nicest thing but its necessary right now.

I dislike Illegal Immigrants because they broke the law, which is not a good way to maintain an orderly society. I would like to see better enforcement of immigration laws, but also make it easier for honest, hard-working people to immigrate.

I dislike Illegal Immigrants because they broke the law

What if it's a stupid law?

For years it was illegal to get oral sex from your own wife in many states. Hundreds of thousands of people broke these laws.

Do you dislike them, too?

Illegal immigration is not necessary. It is overly simplistic to say that illegals are doing jobs that noone else will. Their willingness to work for near nothing, combined with companies'(big and small) insatiable search for ever cheaper labor, have left a lot of American workers in a bad spot. Furthermore, you can't just look at what illegals bring to the country, what about what they take out? Many American cities(I live in one of them), are taking a tremendous financial hit due to the strain illegals put on public services: hospitals, schools, social programs, dmv's, etc...

Aside from that, I'll take a blowjob over illegal immigration any day!!!

I dont think kicking out all the illegal immigrants* from the US will work folks, the native americans would have all of the US to themselves which would be nice for them I suppose but Europe just dont have the room to take all you guys back (even thought we really miss you and stuff ;) )

Native Americans are making a killing on gambling and bingo halls, the last thing they want is the country to themselves... Although, if I could afford it, I'd move to London in a second.

People immigrate here through the southern border in search of a better life than they are getting from their corrupt governments. The gap between the rich and poor in Mexico and other Central American countries is vast. By allowing and tacitly approving of illegal immigration (by not removing them as the law states), we are essentially enabling their countries of origin to continue their corrupt policies. Instead of pushing for democratic and economic reform in their own country, it is much easier to illegally come into our country, earn money, send it back home, and, in a sense, prop up the corrupt governments they fled in the first place.

You might be interested to know the following facts:
1. There is a wall between the IRS and the INS (now part of Homeland Defense, I believe). Many illegal immigrants get social security cards and work at "legitimate" jobs and get social security and taxes taken out, and the IRS doesn't care, because it is not allowed to view any INS info.
2. Because of their illegal status, illegal immigrants never receive social security, and thus are paying for something they receive no benefit for.
3. However, this "extra money" for the US government does not make up for the extensive use of Medicare/Medicaid funds by the many illegals who pay no taxes, or do, but take far more out than they ever pay in. One of the reasons California's economy is having such a hard time is because such a huge portion of taxpayer money goes to support illegals.

This is not a simple, quick-fix issue.

Great points Selgin. In addition, illegal immigrants tend to have more than the traditional American 1.5 kids. It is not uncommon in many cities for the children of illegal immigrants to make up the majority of a school districts population. The vast majorit participate in the free breakfast and lunch program, free glasses, dental checkups, etc... I used to teach at a school like this. They were great kids, but something has got to give.

I visit Mexico often, I know Americans who have tried to work in Mexico without the proper documents, and I assure you Mexico has no problem coming down on law breakers. And good luck to you if you find yourself down on your luck in Mexico.

We feel that illegal immigrants who do not bother to learn english in The U.S. should be cast out immediatly! This is if and only if they are going to live and work here. I see this all too often and it pisses me off! In my opinion, what America really needs is a national language..English that way new comers have no choice but to learn it or not survive. This would also be counteracted by making foriegn languages a mandatory learning requirement starting in early elementary school. If you ever travel to Europe, you will see the beauty of being bilingual! most people are to a certain extent (in Germany at least). :headbang:

I am all for immigration. It helps the economy and soceity as a whole.

Illegal immigration is somthing else. So yes, shove them out.

SOmeone said somthing about illegal immigrants being functional facets of soceity. Well to do so you must obey OUR laws, and they would have broken one already by forceing their way in.

Whats wrong with wanting to enforce the law?

:sniper:

We should shoot every last one of those blood sucking leeches.

This guy is hilarious. Last time he was on an Anti-israel forum, saying that Israel is a murderous state, because his family "owned" land in israel. Well, if it was for him, America would be much worse than he says Israel is. I bet the look on this guy's face, if Israel does what he proposes to be done in America, would be priceless. Besides, who is he to talk, if his family once immigrated (just like everyone elses?), especially him not being a European American.

If being right wing was punishable by death then there wouldnt any right-wing consequently I support being right-wing being punishable by death. America for the Americans (god know I don't want the place)

Yeah, America for the NATIVE Americans, since they were here first. In fact, Mexicans have more right to north america than any other american (without counting the native americans). And they have more right than everyone else to live in the southern states since the USA stole it from Mexico (Texas, Arizona, California, New Mexico, Nevada, etc.)

Yeah, America for the NATIVE Americans, since they were here first. In fact, Mexicans have more right to north america than any other american (without counting the native americans). And they have more right than everyone else to live in the southern states since the USA stole it from Mexico (Texas, Arizona, California, New Mexico, Nevada, etc.)
Member of La Raza, I take it? If we go back far enough in history, we could find all sorts of examples of land that should have stayed with this country, or should be under that country's control, etc. Perhaps America should really revert to a British colony? Or perhaps Mexico should revert to a Spanish colony? Or perhaps kick out all the Mexicans and let the Aztecs take things back over?

illegal immigrants have caused massive problems. europeans out of turtle island!

on a more realistic level, fuck the border. nadie es ilegal!

They may be here, they may occupy some jobs. But I don't think they are "taking" jobs. They will work ten times harder for one tenth the pay. I don't think many of these people (not just on NS, but the contry in general) whining about these people taking our jobs would be willing to work any of the jobs the immiagrants are. If we were to track down and deport all of them our economy, especially agriculture, would be in really sorry shape.

EDIT: This doesn't mean we shouldn't have some way of punishing them, or going about to make their immagration legal.

As someone of Mexican decent, I am perfectly happy with the way the war turned out(Mexico loss). I love the culture, language, literature, people, etc... but you can keep the backward ass brand of Mexican government. No thanks. We by no means have a perfect government here in the U.S., but you can work with it.

A few more years of unchecked illegal immigration, and this will no longer be a place people would want to come to. The point made earlier about English being the official language and increasing foreign language education is perfect. You should be able to speak any language you want, but a society shouldn't have to bend over backwards for someone who hasn't learned the prevailing language.

[QUOTE=Branin]They may be here, they may occupy some jobs. But I don't think they are "taking" jobs. They will work ten times harder for one tenth the pay. I don't think many of these people (not just on NS, but the contry in general) whining about these people taking our jobs would be willing to work any of the jobs the immiagrants are. If we were to track down and deport all of them our economy, especially agriculture, would be in really sorry shape.


You're damn right I wouldn't want to do their job, I've got a degree. But not all American citizens have a degree or a vocation. Some of them have no skills, but they could do agricultural work. Are they lazy because they don't want to do it for a fuckin 3rd world wage? Thats racist bullshit that LULAC and organizations like that use to slight black and white Americans. Not to mention, the illegal is getting screwed too.

We should allow "illegal" immigrants to live in the country, just deny them all benefits, so they benefit our economy at no expense to taxpayers.

illegal immigrants have caused massive problems. europeans out of turtle island!

on a more realistic level, fuck the border. nadie es ilegal!
Hey hey, take it easy now. We don't want them back here. :D

Go far enough back in time and it turns out that everyone - EVERYONE - immigrated to this continent. How retroactive shall we go in considering who does and doesn't belong here?

There are planty of points for and against allowing undocumented workers and their families to stay or be sent back. But I would like to see those who are making big profits off utilizing undocumented labor face serious penalties. Maybe public floggings. MORE PUBLIC FLOGGINGS!

EAT THE RICH!!!
They're juicy and tender, but they do leave a bitter aftertaste. :p

People are not illegal. KTHXbye

People are not illegal. KTHXbye
They're not people they're ALIENS!!!!! :eek:

They're not people they're ALIENS!!!!! :eek:

aliens aren't illegal either.

the truth is out there, and it has a green card.

Don't you love the opening of Men in Black? Very clever movie. (but the sequel was shit).

yeah, its great

It depends, do you mean asylum seeker or illegal immigrant? There is a difference.

Aliens - legal or illegal - can stay as long as they GET ME OFF THIS ROCK!

In the last few years I've been told that I have to leave in 2008, or apply for US citizenship. Since I won't become a US citizen, I guess I'll be leaving, heh....
Why not become a US citizen? You certainly have invested a lot in the country and at least deserve that right. After that, whether you decide to leave or stay will be purely up to you.

I personally am against illegal immigration

Every nation has their immigration laws … it is their laws (not just America) and you have to respect them

If there is a problem with current law look into having it changed I am all for immigrants … just follow the law to get and stay here … I know plenty of people who have done it

We did steal half of Mexico's territory (the good half) and left them with the crappy desert parts in the 1840s.
Hey! Veracruz beats Arizona any time. Anyway, if the US had taken all of Mexico at the time (as was the plan) you wouldn't be having any of these problems. Plus, you'd have the Atlantic and Pacific oceans separated by just 150 km, large uranium, silver, molybden and tungsten deposits, and lots more oil.

Maan!! You really screwed up that time.

Fucking rascist americans, you should be kicked out, its not your country, it belong to indians. Death to you all capitalist americans

It's wrong, however, these people know that they can't get a job while being alien, and will take what is given to them. That low-cost labor is passed to the consumer.

And the real sad part is that even that is much better than what they would get in their country. As long as Mexicans and other in Central America don't get their act together and start seriously growing their local economies it will be a choice between starving at home or risking the trek through the desert.

You want to solve the illegal immigration problem? Put more pressure into the US government to force the Mexican government to stop being so damn corrupt.

Fucking rascist americans, you should be kicked out, its not your country, it belong to indians. Death to you all capitalist americans
Too many people have died on American's account. Killing more people is never the solution. (Even though we probably deserve it)

Yes eject them give them a small island in the south Atlantic, and yes they are very small and that can be their version of America.