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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041117/D86DLRLG0.html

The Russian government says its going to be used strictly to fight their war on terror though I think a new nuclear missile is a bit too extreme for using it on Chechnya of the republic of Georgia. It seems the Russians have bigger fish to fry.....Anyways any thoughts on this issue?

I don't think that's what he said.

And I think that quote is completely out of context. It more seems like they want to find a way to make the missile shield useless.

Perhaps they want to bargain with the chechens from a position of strength. For example, "You kill some of our citizens, and we nuke every one of your cities into oblivion.". Call it aggressive negotiating. I would like to see bush do the same.

Knowing these bastards, whatever they're up to, it isn't good. In spite of the 'collapse' of the Soviet Union, the men at the top are still communists. Vladimir Putrid was a colonel in the KGB. Boris Yeltsin was for many years a member of the Communist Party. It's all a repeat of the New Economic Policy; the Soviets pretend they're reforming, in order to arouse sympathy and receive aid from their Western enemies. Read, for example, New Lies For Old and The Perestroika Deception by Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn.

The only type of nuke that I could think of that would be useful for the WoT would be a neutron bomb, but we already have those. We don't use them, but the tech is there.And a maneuverable ballistic warhead would have a very limited maneuvering time as well as a general inability to maneuver quickly as it would have to overcome its ballisticness to move any great distance from it's path.

Knowing these bastards, whatever they're up to, it isn't good. In spite of the 'collapse' of the Soviet Union, the men at the top are still communists. Vladimir Putrid was a colonel in the KGB. Boris Yeltsin was for many years a member of the Communist Party. It's all a repeat of the New Economic Policy; the Soviets pretend they're reforming, in order to arouse sympathy and receive aid from their Western enemies. Read, for example, New Lies For Old and The Perestroika Deception by Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn.

The end of the Communist pigs are near. Putin just doesnt realize when he says they are creating a missile that the US's defenses will be useless. I dont think he has heard of somethin called the NSA and CIA, i mean really all the commies are are ostriches with the head in the soil unaware of the modern world and our Intelligence. You think that the world will put up with that type of missile(except for France), nah

I applaud Russia for begginning a new nuke missle program. Maybe this will convince those idoits in Congress that the U.S. needs to update its nuclear weapons systems! But NO! The U.S. must be the great exemplar when comes to WMD's. Well, I'd like them to say that while choking on some terrorist's mustard gas.

I applaud Russia for begginning a new nuke missle program. Maybe this will convince those idoits in Congress that the U.S. needs to update its nuclear weapons systems! But NO! The U.S. must be the great exemplar when comes to WMD's. Well, I'd like them to say that while choking on some terrorist's mustard gas.
I agree. We definately need a new generation of nukes. Perhaps some nice ground penetrating types that could hit N. Korea's underground weapon storage bunkers.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041117/D86DLRLG0.html

The Russian government says its going to be used strictly to fight their war on terror though I think a new nuclear missile is a bit too extreme for using it on Chechnya of the republic of Georgia. It seems the Russians have bigger fish to fry.....Anyways any thoughts on this issue?
My bet is China, Siberia is rich with resources and new nuclear missiles will make Beijing think twice.

I may be wrong, but this just may turn into a Cold War type thing. With a new Russia and all. And notice that this new nuke came out just days after the US announced its new laser beam that can shoot down nukes. Maybe they developed these to not be able to get shot down by them??

My bet is China, Siberia is rich with resources and new nuclear missiles will make Beijing think twice.

Its those godamn chinese that scare me more then Russia. China as it currently stands is a giant that grows by the day and if nothing is done then the chinese overgrown ogre will consume us all(the next world war will probably be against them) If Russia's new nuclear weapons are for combating the chinese then even I applaud them.

Russia will never nuke the US. Mutually assured destruction anyone? Our missile defense system is clearly aimed at protecting ourselves and our allies from N. Korea and the potential of a nuclear Iran.

Its those godamn chinese that scare me more then Russia. China as it currently stands is a giant that grows by the day and if nothing is done then the chinese overgrown ogre will consume us all(the next world war will probably be against them) If Russia's new nuclear weapons are for combating the chinese then even I applaud them.
If the ROC government declares Independence in a few years as many guess they will we will be fighting the PRC bastards. If the US has a CVBG in position it will suck for the PLAN.

If the ROC government declares Independence in a few years as many guess they will we will be fighting the PRC bastards. If the US has a CVBG in position it will suck for the PLAN.
PLAN is such a stupid name for a navy anyway.

Wonderful. Now the U.S. can't act all high and mighty with our nukes. We need some other countries in the world to act as balancers for the big stick diplomacy that the US is practicing.

Frankly, I hope this makes the US realize that we can't tell other countries not to have nukes and keep our own. Maybe this will make the U.S. sign non-proliferation act that we've managed to ignore.

The end of the Communist pigs are near. Putin just doesnt realize when he says they are creating a missile that the US's defenses will be useless. I dont think he has heard of somethin called the NSA and CIA, i mean really all the commies are are ostriches with the head in the soil unaware of the modern world and our Intelligence. You think that the world will put up with that type of missile(except for France), nah
I honestly don't think the US or anyone else will do anything about it.

I don't see the problem. If they want to blow billions on somthing that they will never use, I say let em.

Wonderful. Now the U.S. can't act all high and mighty with our nukes. We need some other countries in the world to act as balancers for the big stick diplomacy that the US is practicing.

Frankly, I hope this makes the US realize that we can't tell other countries not to have nukes and keep our own. Maybe this will make the U.S. sign non-proliferation act that we've managed to ignore.
Screw that. We just need more nukes, better nukes, and effective defenses against nukes.

If the ROC government declares Independence in a few years as many guess they will we will be fighting the PRC bastards. If the US has a CVBG in position it will suck for the PLAN.

That would never happen (the U.S. fighting the PRC). If ROC does declare independence, I highly doubt the U.S. will sympathize with them. After all, traitor Carter severed relations with Taiwan twenty-five years ago.

Knowing these bastards, whatever they're up to, it isn't good. In spite of the 'collapse' of the Soviet Union, the men at the top are still communists. Vladimir Putrid was a colonel in the KGB. Boris Yeltsin was for many years a member of the Communist Party. It's all a repeat of the New Economic Policy; the Soviets pretend they're reforming, in order to arouse sympathy and receive aid from their Western enemies. Read, for example, New Lies For Old and The Perestroika Deception by Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn.


Vladimir Putin is no communist. Putin is a right-wing nationalist, which is one of the main reasons he gets along so well with Shrub.

Russia needs a real revolution to get rid of the nationalists, oligarchs and state capitalists that oppress and exploit the masses.

Vladimir Putin is no communist. Putin is a right-wing nationalist, which is one of the main reasons he gets along so well with Shrub.

Russia needs a real revolution to get rid of the nationalists, oligarchs and state capitalists that oppress and exploit the masses.

Putrid was a colonel in the KGB, wasn't he?

That would never happen (the U.S. fighting the PRC). If ROC does declare independence, I highly doubt the U.S. will sympathize with them. After all, traitor Carter severed relations with Taiwan twenty-five years ago.

Except the U.S. 7th fleet is still out there protecting Taiwan. If China should attack, they would need to go through US forces. The US would be obliged to respond and we have a potential nuclear war.

I'm sensing a high amount of very angry yet quite unfounded nationalism here. :rolleyes: Go blind hatred of others!

I'm sensing a high amount of very angry yet quite unfounded nationalism here. :rolleyes: Go blind hatred of others!

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Vladimir Putin is no communist. Putin is a right-wing nationalist, which is one of the main reasons he gets along so well with Shrub.

Russia needs a real revolution to get rid of the nationalists, oligarchs and state capitalists that oppress and exploit the masses.


Do you really want a rerun of 1917? I for one think that Russia will never fall to a communist revolution ever again, the Russian people have witnessed themselves how bad communism is for a nation, I doubt they will be so stupid as to let the communists return to power.

Putrid was a colonel in the KGB, wasn't he?

That doesn't mean anything, plenty of people in Nazi Germany were associated with the Nazi Party but didn't hold Nazi values. Totalitarian states force people who want to 'go somewhere' to attach themselves to the ruling party, otherwise it might lose it's grip on power.


Do you really want a rerun of 1917? I for one think that Russia will never fall to a communist revolution ever again, the Russian people have witnessed themselves how bad communism is for a nation, I doubt they will be so stupid as to let the communists return to power.

I would prefer Bolshevikism to the modern Russian system, which is even more exploitive and corrupt then the Soviet Union ever was (and that's saying something, the USSR was pretty bad). Additionally, many Russians do want to see a return to Stalinism, there's been a steadily growing movement called 'National Bolshevikism', it's basically an even more nationalist version of Stalinism.

Russian democracy is virtually non-existant, a revolution would be required to make any drastic change to the government, personally I'd like to see a truely democratic socialist revolution... or maybe an anarchist one... Russia needs drastic change and unlike most countries parlimentary reform is nigh impossible. Bring on the Forth Russian revolution. :D

Additionally, many Russians do want to see a return to Stalinism, there's been a steadily growing movement called 'National Bolshevikism', it's basically an even more nationalist version of Stalinism.

Nationalistic communism is an oxymoron. Communists are internationalists. Their goal is a worldwide collectivist state.

Nationalistic communism is an oxymoron. Communists are internationalists. Their goal is a worldwide collectivist state.

Technically the goal of communists is no state, just a worldwide society of communes, but anyways...

Bolshevikism is a form of socialism, not communism. The systems set in place by Joseph Stalin were both nationalist and socialist,

National Socialism in it's many forms is a seperate but related ideology to communism, hence it's always been a misnomer to call the USSR 'Communist', especially after the death of Lenin.

I don't think that's what he said.

And I think that quote is completely out of context. It more seems like they want to find a way to make the missile shield useless.
The thing about russian attempts to make our missile shield useless is that they don't really matter. The missile shield isn't against the Russians, it's against China and North Korea. The missile shield is a limited missile shield, and designed only for use against a limited missile arsenal. Not the huge Russian missile arsenal.

Nationalistic communism is an oxymoron. Communists are internationalists. Their goal is a worldwide collectivist state.

Thats why the next Russian revolution will put fascists in power rather then the commies(http://www.rne.org/ and their english explanation http://www.rne.org/vopd/english/concept.shtml) as I see it the Russians are in their corrupt "weimer republic" phase and will fall to the fascists in about 20 years(everyone thought commies would take the germans too but then the Nazis came right in and destroyed the communist opposition. Besides the Russian youth in the northern russian region are mostly all neo-nazis(the commies are usually the older russian people who still cling on to the old soviet days)

I honestly don't think the US or anyone else will do anything about it.

I don't see the problem. If they want to blow billions on somthing that they will never use, I say let em.
agreed

The thing about russian attempts to make our missile shield useless is that they don't really matter. The missile shield isn't against the Russians, it's against China and North Korea. The missile shield is a limited missile shield, and designed only for use against a limited missile arsenal. Not the huge Russian missile arsenal.

Doesn't really matter, seeing as how it doesn't work anyway.

Doesn't really matter, seeing as how it doesn't work anyway.


its never been used though...

Cool. Now the US must invade Russia. Cause they have WMD's. Come on Bush, what are you waiting for? Act now.

That would never happen (the U.S. fighting the PRC). If ROC does declare independence, I highly doubt the U.S. will sympathize with them. After all, traitor Carter severed relations with Taiwan twenty-five years ago.
Bush renewed our relations. We don't "recognize" them, but we sold the Kidd DDGs to them. In 1996 we deployed numerous CVBGs when the PLAN was exercising around Formosa. Their mission was to protect the ROC and the PRC backed down. Just this last summer 7 CVBGs participated in the largest excersize in the history of the Navy. They worked with the ROC and pretty much told the PRC we will defend the ROC.

Doesn't really matter, seeing as how it doesn't work anyway.
It has a little better than a 50% hit rate. Theoretically, if Korea launched 5 nukes we could launch 3 or 4 ABMs at each ballistic inbound and save American cities and lives.

Cool. Now the US must invade Russia. Cause they have WMD's. Come on Bush, what are you waiting for? Act now.


LOL yea and we will get asses blown to bits and pieces(I think Bush isnt stupid enough to invade a country that actually has WMD)

LOL yea and we will get asses blown to bits and pieces(I think Bush isnt stupid enough to invade a country that actually has WMD)
Don't put your fate in his intelligence.

Don't put your fate in his intelligence.

lol youve got a good point there

Doesn't really matter, seeing as how it doesn't work anyway.
It can knock down Minutemen III missiles, which are rather more advanced than what most countries can throw at us.

I don't think that's what he said.

And I think that quote is completely out of context. It more seems like they want to find a way to make the missile shield useless.

LOL, does anyone need to put any effort into making that thing useless? The whole concept is debatable at best. The scientists dont seem to agree with the Bush people about it. Not only that, what about the terrorist events? Someone sets of a bomb that was smuggled in and where is your defense for that? It's useless, pointless, insane implementation of some crazy idea.

Cool. Now the US must invade Russia. Cause they have WMD's. Come on Bush, what are you waiting for? Act now.

Actually it's the Bush administration that opened the door for this by violating the non-proliferation treaty and developing new nukes themselves. They seem determined to bring back the cold war days at any cost.

Actually it's the Bush administration that opened the door for this by violating the non-proliferation treaty and developing new nukes themselves.
LIES!!!! You are a tree hugging terrorist liberal atheist hippy. Bush talks to God!!! :p Hence he can do no wrong.

JFK's missile crisis anyone? With such short-terms thinkers electing their presidents, I can't even envision having kids. How about I kill myself right away?

How about I kill myself right away?
Go for it. Let us know how it worked out for you.

It can knock down Minutemen III missiles, which are rather more advanced than what most countries can throw at us.
What the russians are developing are probably better than Minutemen III missles.
And I don;t care if it can knock down them, it's not gonna matter if thouands of warheads are flying in.
Of crouse it will never happen you really don't want to mess with MAD.

What the russians are developing are probably better than Minutemen III missles.
And I don;t care if it can knock down them, it's not gonna matter if thouands of warheads are flying in.
Of crouse it will never happen you really don't want to mess with MAD.
We aren't going to war with Russia anytime soon. They've niced up. We aren't on the verge of WWIII with them anymore.

The Missile Shield isn't for the Russians anyways. No missile shield could work against such a large nuclear strike force. The missile shield is for the NKs and PRC. Neither nation has a huge ICBM force (the NKs don't have any yet, but will in the next few years.) If they should go at the US with nukes it's not a bad idea to have the missile shield sitting around.

And anyways the ICBM's of the Chinese are terribly old, and there's only what, 10 or 12 of them? With a fifty interceptor missile shield we could handle the entire chinese nuclear ICBM force.

It's a precaution.

LOL yea and we will get asses blown to bits and pieces(I think Bush isnt stupid enough to invade a country that actually has WMD)
We don't have a beef with Russia.

LOL, Nuclear holocaust!

We don't have a beef with Russia.

hmmm....wouldnt be so sure about that

hmmm....wouldnt be so sure about that

Let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor...

hmmm....wouldnt be so sure about that

Bush and Putin get along rather well, they're... friendly?

Bush and Putin get along rather well, they're... friendly?

So were Nixon and Breshnev(dont know if i spelled that right) but that didnt end the cold war did it.

^^^Close. Its actually Brezhnev

^^^Close. Its actually Brezhnev

ahh... thnx

Well there are two problems:

1 Where is the Missile Shield? It stopped being news after 911, so I fear they pretty much cancelled developement. Could anyone prove me wrong? I'd love if that was possible.

2 These new nuclear weapons don't bode well. If Putin gets them, he can only use them for evil purposes. Unless he's planning to nuke all of Chechnya they're not going to be of much use under normal circumstances, and he could do that anytime he wanted with the current arsenal (Russia got nukes like if they where machinegun bullets). Whatever this 'new weapon' of his is it's not good.

Or maybe Putin is zany and has been playing too much Metal Gear Solid.

The Russians are obviously intending to brainwash our kids, just like they did in the 80s!!

Oh damn. They locked my thread. It wasn't serious, you know.

Just out of curiosity, if any Mods read this, was it because of the swearing, or was it interpreted as racist/xenophobic (I'm thinking of the last poll option, although I was actually taking the piss out of people like that)? Or was it something else?

*sob* My first lockdown... I'm so proud *sob*

So were Nixon and Breshnev(dont know if i spelled that right) but that didnt end the cold war did it.

No, but it did keep it pretty tame.