NationStates Jolt Archive

Well, isn't it?

No. Saddam was never a threat to the USA. A gangster doesn't shoot up the police station. He knows the cops will come gunning for him. Now we face the possibility that Iraq will become (has become?) a breeding ground for islamofascist terrorists.

I don't think so, because there are many any more angry Muslim terrorists now than there were before.

I don't think so.

Nope, the World, especially the west is now in more danger from religious zealots from the east who are now even more pissed off after Blair and Bush decided to "give them freedom", western freedom and eastern freedom are two entirely different things.
We take freedom of speech, freedom to vote unmolested, freedom to travel etc etc for granted.
Iraq people would have been happy (for the moment) to have democratic elections.
Change takes time and can only succesfully be done at a pace to suit the nation, Iraq and all the other oppressed eastern states need time to sort out their own issues regarding their own interpretation of freedom.

No matter what happens the world will NEVER be a safer place. All of those who still believe in that idea that there may one day be world peace need to grow up and smarten up(it is human nature to wage war and there will always be oppositions, think about it since humans existed on this planet there hasnt been a time in the world longer then 20 years that a war wasnt being waged somewhere on earth...) You people need to wake up :rolleyes:

Nobody ever said the world will one day be a safe place. The Bush supporters, however, insist that the world is safer without Saddam. The facts indicate otherwise. Still Kerry didn't have the balls to say he prefers Saddam to suicidal jihadist murderers.

I think that what we learnt from wwII was that appeasment never works. After 1991 Saddam was still in power and pushing aganist the corners of his box all the time. If we left Iraq another 10 years it would be a much bigger problem than it was in 2003. you have to nip these things in the bud

Shit, we should have let Saddam take over Kuait _and_ Saudi. He'd have put those wahabi clerics in their place.

Yes, IMHO. Any reduction of arms in the possession of the Islamists is a definite plus.

Shit, we should have let Saddam take over Kuait _and_ Saudi. He'd have put those wahabi clerics in their place.

and let hi get even bigger so he can screw us on oil more than the saudis do already and work on a nice little smallpox strain to lob into Israel

and let hi get even bigger so he can screw us on oil more than the saudis do already and work on a nice little smallpox strain to lob into Israel
Yeah, he would jack up the price of oil, but he was a gangster. Only interested in enriching himself. I seriously doubt he would have started a war with Israel, a nuclear power. He funded the palestinian terrorist's widows to curry favor with the common arab man in order to make him easier to control.

Many would be terrorists supposedly went to Iraq to do all of their killing instead doing that in our home towns. So I would have to say that with the exception of Iraq, the world is a tiny bit safer. That is of course without factoring in the possibility of an increase in terrorist memberships

Many would be terrorists supposedly went to Iraq to do all of their killing instead doing that in our home towns. So I would have to say that with the exception of Iraq, the world is a tiny bit safer. That is of course without factoring in the possibility of an increase in terrorist memberships
Are you kidding me? If they want to hit us at home all they need is a plane ticket to mexico. That border is so porous that anyone at all can get through. Once they are here they could assemble the parts for a bomb in one afternoon. Then just hit a train loaded with vinyl chloride as it passes through a city. Boom

Yeah, he would jack up the price of oil, but he was a gangster. Only interested in enriching himself. I seriously doubt he would have started a war with Israel, a nuclear power. He funded the palestinian terrorist's widows to curry favor with the common arab man in order to make him easier to control.

he fired scuds during 1991 and in kuwait in 2003 i think that makes him likely to use WMD. he may however have been more willing to pass them to terrorists to cover his own ass

he fired scuds during 1991 and in kuwait in 2003 i think that makes him likely to use WMD. he may however have been more willing to pass them to terrorists to cover his own ass
He fired scuds at israel in order to make them get involved and thus to win the support of all arab nations. Let's face it. Israel blew up his nuclear reactor and he never retaliated. He knew he couldn't win. They would nuke his ass.

He fired scuds at israel in order to make them get involved and thus to win the support of all arab nations. Let's face it. Israel blew up his nuclear reactor and he never retaliated. He knew he couldn't win. They would nuke his ass.

yet he liked to play brinkmanship with the US and the other western allies in the mis 90's

you have to nip these things in the bud


Like Bush Senior did in 1991 eh? :rolleyes:

why dont you trap a dog in a corner, because it will bit your balls off.
there is no profit in fighting the west,therefore he would not have started anything, money is what ,akes the world go round, even to the powerful people in the middle east, and you dont have to worry about oil prices going up too much canada is the one who supplies 80% of your crude oil anyhoo. the war was only there to diversify(sp?) the u.s. oil supply and get there fingers into the middle east though a puppet government. the uk tryed it once and they ran then out, now its your turn to try, i dont have too much hope that is will work ether.

Like Bush Senior did in 1991 eh? :rolleyes:

no that was a real half assed war

yet he liked to play brinkmanship with the US and the other western allies in the mis 90's
He never pushed it to the point where he thought his control over his territory was in jeopardy. Face it. Saddam wasn't a jihadist. He was a criminal.

why dont you trap a dog in a corner, because it will bit your balls off.
there is no profit in fighting the west,therefore he would not have started anything, money is what ,akes the world go round, even to the powerful people in the middle east, and you dont have to worry about oil prices going up too much canada is the one who supplies 80% of your crude oil anyhoo. the war was only there to diversify(sp?) the u.s. oil supply and get there fingers into the middle east though a puppet government. the uk tryed it once and they ran then out, now its your turn to try, i dont have too much hope that is will work ether.

its the other markets, even if the french wont admit it most of their oil comes from the middle east and the US wants a stable healthy europe. and even if most of oil comes from north of the boarder the middle east still effects supply and the price

He never pushed it to the point where he thought his control over his territory was in jeopardy. Face it. Saddam wasn't a jihadist. He was a criminal.

he fancied himself as the leader of the arab world a sort of Nasser so then he wants to appeal to the extreemists

We should develop alternate energy. Nuclear works, so does changing world technologies method to produce artificial oil and natural gas. That way we could starve the enemy.

Saddam did nothing to the internation community the US hasn't done. So if his brinkmanship is worthy of him being wiped out, than considering the number of times the US has pulled it and even gone over all Americans pretty much deserve to be arrested and thrown in jail and the government executed.

You want a reign of terror over natives? Saddam did it only for a few decades. The US did it for centuries. You want mass slaughters? The US isn't innocent. Funding terrorists? The US is one of the biggest suppliers of money and arms to terrorist groups and organizations. Holding, or even using, weapons of mass destruction? Hell the US invented the atomic bomb, so you bet we're guilty of it.

Now, want to know what they don't tell you? Saddam caught Kuwait stealing oil from him. That's why he invaded. If the US caught Canada doing that, we'd do the same exact thing.

The truth of the situation is that the US is just as guilty, if not more, of most of Saddam's crimes. So get off your high-horses, stop the superiority act, and realize that our actions were only hypocrisy.

And, no, the world is not a safer place. The one thing Saddam was best at was keeping terrorists out of his nation. By opening it up like we have, we've added another place where they can build strongholds and recruit. And some of those have full knowledge of Saddam's WMD programs and how to produce them now.

We should develop alternate energy. Nuclear works, so does changing world technologies method to produce artificial oil and natural gas. That way we could starve the enemy.

it may suprise you but alternate energy is the poliy of bush and his government clinton only wanted to make car extra efficient

We should develop alternate energy. Nuclear works, so does changing world technologies method to produce artificial oil and natural gas. That way we could starve the enemy.

one way is the fuel cell, i read much about it anymore, odd because it is one of the few things that they know that could work and still fit into cars and trucks, there is even a couple of busses up here that use them

The worls now is more vunerable to terrorism than it ever was.

Saddam did nothing to the internation community the US hasn't done. So if his brinkmanship is worthy of him being wiped out, than considering the number of times the US has pulled it and even gone over all Americans pretty much deserve to be arrested and thrown in jail and the government executed.

You want a reign of terror over natives? Saddam did it only for a few decades. The US did it for centuries. You want mass slaughters? The US isn't innocent. Funding terrorists? The US is one of the biggest suppliers of money and arms to terrorist groups and organizations. Holding, or even using, weapons of mass destruction? Hell the US invented the atomic bomb, so you bet we're guilty of it.

Now, want to know what they don't tell you? Saddam caught Kuwait stealing oil from him. That's why he invaded. If the US caught Canada doing that, we'd do the same exact thing.

The truth of the situation is that the US is just as guilty, if not more, of most of Saddam's crimes. So get off your high-horses, stop the superiority act, and realize that our actions were only hypocrisy.

And, no, the world is not a safer place. The one thing Saddam was best at was keeping terrorists out of his nation. By opening it up like we have, we've added another place where they can build strongholds and recruit. And some of those have full knowledge of Saddam's WMD programs and how to produce them now.

thats just highly emotive banter, prove it

thats just highly emotive banter, prove it

US Crimes:

Slavery, treatment of Native Americans, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the School of the Americas ("freedom fighter" is a fancy phrase for "terrorist we agree with"), the US giving funds and weapons to Al Quaida (bet ya didn't know we're the ones who helped create them) and Saddam (beginning to see a pattern?), the US encouraging uprisings in several countries throughout the world, the Spanish-American War (unjustified to this very day). Those are just off the top of my head. Brinkmanship? Spanish-American War, War of 1812, Cold War, several dealings with Saddam...

As for Saddam: Count the number of actual proven terrorists that were Iraqis since Saddam took power. Count the number of terrorist strikes before the US invaded vs. now. And let's not forget how some of those Iraqi scientists don't exactly like having us around or the amount of documents that are missing (pretty safe to guess where they ended up).

Now, I didn't know you were a telepath or that telepathy was capable across an internet connection.[/sarcasm]

Before you try to tell me what my emotions are, try to make sure what I am saying is not based on information I know instead of making an uninformed assumption. It'll save me time and you embarassment and looking foolish.

Yes, IMHO. Any reduction of arms in the possession of the Islamists is a definite plus.

How has the invasion of Iraq lessened the arms in the possession of Islamists?

Saddam was profoundly secularist and so was his Ba'ath party.
He had lots of weapons.
Now he's gone.
And his weapons are in the hands of Islamists.

Is this not true?

thats just highly emotive banter, prove it

ok man i dont have a web site but here you go.
you made the a-bomb (it was a german but he was funded by the U.S.)this is a fact, in the U.S.'s younger years you killed off a lot of harmless natives. i dont know about funding the nut jobs but you did train osoma bin asshole

US Crimes:

Slavery, treatment of Native Americans, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the School of the Americas ("freedom fighter" is a fancy phrase for "terrorist we agree with"), the US giving funds and weapons to Al Quaida (bet ya didn't know we're the ones who helped create them) and Saddam (beginning to see a pattern?), the US encouraging uprisings in several countries throughout the world, the Spanish-American War (unjustified to this very day). Those are just off the top of my head. Brinkmanship? Spanish-American War, War of 1812, Cold War, several dealings with Saddam...

As for Saddam: Count the number of actual proven terrorists that were Iraqis since Saddam took power. Count the number of terrorist strikes before the US invaded vs. now. And let's not forget how some of those Iraqi scientists don't exactly like having us around or the amount of documents that are missing (pretty safe to guess where they ended up).

Now, I didn't know you were a telepath or that telepathy was capable across an internet connection.[/sarcasm]

Before you try to tell me what my emotions are, try to make sure what I am saying is not based on information I know instead of making an uninformed assumption. It'll save me time and you embarassment and looking foolish.
Actually Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified, and it could be argued that they saved more Japanese lives than they took. The Japanese civilian population was set to launch a long guerilla war against the American troops. I have heard first hand from Japanese who grew up in Japan during the war that this was true. Secondly, a freedom fighter and terrorist are not the same. Freedom fighters take on the enemy government and military. Terrorists target civilians. Granted, some of the folks we backed in Central America did become terrorists. Yeah, we funded Al Quaeda. We funded them when we thought they just wanted freedom from the Soviets and the right to self determination. We are not the ogres some would paint us as.

Is the world a safer place? No. And I am not talking about safety from terrorism (which doesn't and hasn't happened in my country even though the power mongers are doing their damndest to make people think it's imminent) I am talking about safety from delusional idiots who think that everyone is a potential terrorist if they disagree with governmental decisions. Until those megalomaniacal, Bush-rimming morons in my government decided to jump on the "if you ain't with us yer agin' us" bandwagon, people here enjoyed their lives. They could write anti government graffiti on the wall and only get a fine, warning or small penalty (for the graffiti-ing, not the content). Now thanks to all this BS, they can be hauled off with no charge, no legal representation and no right to remain silent for up to 14 days to face interrogation about "their cell". They could attend their place of worship (mosque, church, temple, whatever) without the nagging worry that some other idiot might take a dislike to their beliefs and bomb (or at least threaten to) the place. I could go geocaching (look it up if you want) without the concern that some officious prat might decide that I am acting suspiciously. Attacks on people specifically because they look different (either "arabic" or "white") are on the increase and hostility between the cultures is increasing with every bigotted, paranoid newscast.

Over here, the real terrorists are the fear mongers in the government and media who are brainwashing the gullible into believing that they are going to be attacked soon.

No we are not safer, the hatred and fear in the community is more dangerous than terrorists here. All fostered by those "in control". :rolleyes:

Saddam did nothing to the internation community the US hasn't done. So if his brinkmanship is worthy of him being wiped out, than considering the number of times the US has pulled it and even gone over all Americans pretty much deserve to be arrested and thrown in jail and the government executed.

You want a reign of terror over natives? Saddam did it only for a few decades. The US did it for centuries. You want mass slaughters? The US isn't innocent. Funding terrorists? The US is one of the biggest suppliers of money and arms to terrorist groups and organizations. Holding, or even using, weapons of mass destruction? Hell the US invented the atomic bomb, so you bet we're guilty of it.

Now, want to know what they don't tell you? Saddam caught Kuwait stealing oil from him. That's why he invaded. If the US caught Canada doing that, we'd do the same exact thing.

The truth of the situation is that the US is just as guilty, if not more, of most of Saddam's crimes. So get off your high-horses, stop the superiority act, and realize that our actions were only hypocrisy.

And, no, the world is not a safer place. The one thing Saddam was best at was keeping terrorists out of his nation. By opening it up like we have, we've added another place where they can build strongholds and recruit. And some of those have full knowledge of Saddam's WMD programs and how to produce them now.


thats just highly emotive banter, prove it

Do you really need it to be proven to you that

- The US systematically persecuted American Indians, waged war on them, slaughtered by millions the buffalo that a lot of them lived on in order to starve them, took away their land and resettled them in a way that is currently against international law?

- The US used atomic weapons in Japan killing hundreds of thousands of non-combatants in just two strikes?

- The US funded the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Contras in Central America?

- The US invented the atom bomb

- Saddam ruled Iraq viciously, crushing resistance and not allowing any terrorists to threaten his power

- Saddam was a secularist and had no dealings with Islamists

It may be emotive but I don't think any of it is contentious. If you need proof, just google some of it. It is all documented.

just to add to the energy/conservation part....the government is in no way in a hurry to make the world a cleaner place via environment...they are making too much money...and about the 80% of oil from canada..true...know where the rest comes...10% from the middle east...and the other 10% from the u.s itself via alaska, texas, and the gulf of mexico where we have thousands of off shore oil platforms sucking up oil 24/7...oil in the middle east wasnt our problem...only the goverments reason for getting rich scheme...we never invade people that really need help..only people that have something we want..as the other guy said look at all our past wars...only time we got involved was when we wanted control of something..the only war i can think of that was truly viable was...ww2....and thats only because japan bombed pearl harbor and i dont believe japan just did that on a whim i think there is more then meets the eye...and most of you who think you know everything about wars...your terribly wrong...heres a simple quiz....what was the last war to have a battle on u.s. soil....think hard and long...because i bet none of you will be able to answer this one...oh...and the world is far less safer now that terrorist have their sights set on america and its allies...wtg homefront...uve just made our american people more on edge then ever! :p

Actually Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified, and it could be argued that they saved more Japanese lives than they took. The Japanese civilian population was set to launch a long guerilla war against the American troops. I have heard first hand from Japanese who grew up in Japan during the war that this was true. Secondly, a freedom fighter and terrorist are not the same. Freedom fighters take on the enemy government and military. Terrorists target civilians. Granted, some of the folks we backed in Central America did become terrorists. Yeah, we funded Al Quaeda. We funded them when we thought they just wanted freedom from the Soviets and the right to self determination. We are not the ogres some would paint us as.

you bombed a city, not a bunch of footmen. you kill women, children and think of all the others that died a slower more painful death from the fallout, most of the people how died could not hold a gun let alone fire one, nothing justifies killing these kind of people, they could have droped it on a millitary base in the middle of the nowere, the japs had tons of them but they droped it on a city.
and you say "but it would not have had the same affect"
if an island was there one day and is not the next, i think i would.
al quaeda hates you becuase you made a deal with soviets and turned your back on them.
and the enemy government is you.
p.s. yuo droped bombs on the local people in iraq, "oops i missed :rolleyes: "

you bombed a city, not a bunch of footmen. you kill women, children and think of all the others that died a slower more painful death from the fallout, most of the people how died could not hold a gun let alone fire one, nothing justifies killing these kind of people, they could have droped it on a millitary base in the middle of the nowere, the japs had tons of them but they droped it on a city.
and you say "but it would not have had the same affect"
if an island was there one day and is not the next, i think i would.
al quaeda hates you becuase you made a deal with soviets and turned your back on them.
and the enemy government is you.
p.s. yuo droped bombs on the local people in iraq, "oops i missed :rolleyes: "
Those women and children were prepared to make massive human wave attacks against american troops. They would have been just as dead. Al Quaeda hates us because we allow christians, jews and atheists to be on an equal footing to muslims. If you consider us your enemy, fine. Just don't act on it or you should prepare to be killed when we come gunning for you.

you bombed a city, not a bunch of footmen. you kill women, children and think of all the others that died a slower more painful death from the fallout, most of the people how died could not hold a gun let alone fire one, nothing justifies killing these kind of people, they could have droped it on a millitary base in the middle of the nowere, the japs had tons of them but they droped it on a city.


dont forget that they are still treating people for our 2 bombs in japan that constantly have to have radioactive treatment...atomic bombs final aftermath lasts at least 3-4 generations...so that means if i ever move to either area that was a direct hit my kids could possbly be affected...how is that justified...so yeah im not so proud to be an american especially if it means we lie deceit and corrupt other nations

Those women and children were prepared to make massive human wave attacks against american troops. They would have been just as dead. Al Quaeda hates us because we allow christians, jews and atheists to be on an equal footing to muslims. If you consider us your enemy, fine. Just don't act on it or you should prepare to be killed when we come gunning for you.


heh..man..im from florida...and ive been to canada quite a few times and ive spent 3 yrs in the army infantry....canada is one neighbor we do NOT want to go to war with...it will be a repeat of what happened to the germans when they tried to invade russia not to mention we would have a serious supply issue and our economy would basically fall off the face of the earth....especially when that first week of winter starts up and canada is running around in the mountains like they were born and raised there and all of us are freezing to death.....we just lack the tolerance and training that they do for mountain and winter warefare...not to mention to fight a country where its entire population is proud to be ruled by a queen wouldnt help us in the least bit considering more then half of our military doesnt agree with the war in iraq how many do you think would agree with a war on canada

heh..man..im from florida...and ive been to canada quite a few times and ive spent 3 yrs in the army infantry....canada is one neighbor we do NOT want to go to war with...it will be a repeat of what happened to the germans when they tried to invade russia not to mention we would have a serious supply issue and our economy would basically fall off the face of the earth....especially when that first week of winter starts up and canada is running around in the mountains like they were born and raised there and all of us are freezing to death.....we just lack the tolerance and training that they do for mountain and winter warefare...not to mention to fight a country where its entire population is proud to be ruled by a queen wouldnt help us in the least bit considering more then half of our military doesnt agree with the war in iraq how many do you think would agree with a war on canada
That's what the nukes are for. BTW I'm just kidding about the nukes.

and let hi get even bigger so he can screw us on oil more than the saudis do already and work on a nice little smallpox strain to lob into Israel

Aren't we getting fucked on oil prices now? And who cares about Israel, their the real terrorist state.

Actually Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified, and it could be argued that they saved more Japanese lives than they took.

The Saddam crime: Possessing and using WMD. The fact is the US has also done it, and on a much more massive scale. Why doesn't matter to the dead.

The Japanese civilian population was set to launch a long guerilla war against the American troops. I have heard first hand from Japanese who grew up in Japan during the war that this was true.

And this is a justification how? As one, it doesn't fly when compared to a later war.

Secondly, a freedom fighter and terrorist are not the same. Freedom fighters take on the enemy government and military. Terrorists target civilians.

So the Oklahoma City Bombing wasn't a terrorist action just because it was targetting a government building? Well, I bet that's a comfort to the families of the dead. I'll let you tell them that and deal with their responses.

The only real difference between "freedom fighters" and terrorists is who is doing the labelling. Not all groups labelled as terrorists target civilians outside of government, nor is it necessary for them to do so. The idea of terrorism is to cause fear on the side opposing you and hope on the side supporting you. War is just terrorism on a much more massive scale when you actually look at it.

Granted, some of the folks we backed in Central America did become terrorists.

All of them are by the very fact of the tactics they pull.

Yeah, we funded Al Quaeda. We funded them when we thought they just wanted freedom from the Soviets and the right to self determination. We are not the ogres some would paint us as.

My main point is that we have done it. If Saddam is guilty just because of his past, than the US is even more guilty and deserves a much worse punishment. If, however, he is to be guilty because of the fact he did not stop those actions, that is a different thing and not what a lot of people opposed to Saddam advocate.

Those women and children were prepared to make massive human wave attacks against american troops. They would have been just as dead. Al Quaeda hates us because we allow christians, jews and atheists to be on an equal footing to muslims. If you consider us your enemy, fine. Just don't act on it or you should prepare to be killed when we come gunning for you.

Don't be a moron. What is a "human wave attack" ? What makes you think that women and children were prepared to make them? And which women and children are you talking about? the Japanese or the Iraqis? Al Qaeda hates america because Al Qaeda is led by a bunch of twisted power-crazed liars and the people who join it do so because their children and brothers have been killed by arab secularist governments and by the US.

The fanatics of Al Qaeda exist on hatred, and the US is a good target for them to hate. So you use that as an excuse to kill hundreds if not thousands of innocent people who couldn't give a monkeys either way. And then their brothers and fathers and sons join Al Qaeda.

If you think that you treat Christians, Jews and Muslims equally, why are you so keen on bombing muslim countries? Did you know that Muslims believe that Christians, Jews and Muslims are all essentially of the same religion?

Those women and children were prepared to make massive human wave attacks against american troops. They would have been just as dead. Al Quaeda hates us because we allow christians, jews and atheists to be on an equal footing to muslims. If you consider us your enemy, fine. Just don't act on it or you should prepare to be killed when we come gunning for you.

i bet the people who divebombs your the twin towers also though that you were prepared to make massive human wave attacks against there holy troops, why not nip it in the bud and kill off a bunch of people who dont have a clue.

oh look my little 2 year old baby is taking its first steps, only 2 more days until i give him his first gun to shot the americans....whats the big flash of light

Aren't we getting fucked on oil prices now? And who cares about Israel, their the real terrorist state.
I can't stand it when people call Israel a terrorist state. They don't intentionally target civilians. The palestinians do. It's pretty clear cut.

heh..man..im from florida...and ive been to canada quite a few times and ive spent 3 yrs in the army infantry....canada is one neighbor we do NOT want to go to war with...it will be a repeat of what happened to the germans when they tried to invade russia not to mention we would have a serious supply issue and our economy would basically fall off the face of the earth....especially when that first week of winter starts up and canada is running around in the mountains like they were born and raised there and all of us are freezing to death.....we just lack the tolerance and training that they do for mountain and winter warefare...not to mention to fight a country where its entire population is proud to be ruled by a queen wouldnt help us in the least bit considering more then half of our military doesnt agree with the war in iraq how many do you think would agree with a war on canada

its nice to read think but just as a note we are not ruled by the queen, she is just a figurehead and holds no power, its like bush, yes he is at the top but he is not the one pulling the strings

Don't be a moron. What is a "human wave attack" ? What makes you think that women and children were prepared to make them? And which women and children are you talking about? the Japanese or the Iraqis? Al Qaeda hates america because Al Qaeda is led by a bunch of twisted power-crazed liars and the people who join it do so because their children and brothers have been killed by arab secularist governments and by the US.

The fanatics of Al Qaeda exist on hatred, and the US is a good target for them to hate. So you use that as an excuse to kill hundreds if not thousands of innocent people who couldn't give a monkeys either way. And then their brothers and fathers and sons join Al Qaeda.

If you think that you treat Christians, Jews and Muslims equally, why are you so keen on bombing muslim countries? Did you know that Muslims believe that Christians, Jews and Muslims are all essentially of the same religion?
In America all religions are treated equally. Why am I keen on bombing muslim countries? Because that's where the terrorists and their supporters are. We were attacked, and we will make damn sure that they think twice before they do it again.

It is human nature to wage war and there will always be oppositions
There will always be differences in opinion, but this does not mean there wil be constant warfare.

...since humans existed on this planet there hasnt been a time in the world longer then 20 years that a war wasnt being waged somewhere on earth
Firstly, how do you know there has never been a period of more than 20 years world peace? There is a vast amount of undocumented human history; the Egyptions 'only' started writing things down around 3500 BC. Depending where you consider the start of Humanity to begin, that leaves 2,000,000 years unacounted for. I'm not claiming that pre-historic (wo)man was a complete pacifist, but you can't claim to know either way - there's no proof.

Secondly, your statement is a little misleading. Yes, we haven't had a lengthy period of world peace for several thousand years, but during all of recorded history the majority of humanity has been at peace. At this moment in time, the majority of humans are getting along with one another. I disagree that it is 'human nature' to war. And even if I were proved wrong, the majority of humans seem to be able to ignore this nature for the majority of their lives.

You people need to wake up
Thanks for generalising.

Have a nice day. (note how I opposed you without warring with you)

i bet the people who divebombs your the twin towers also though that you were prepared to make massive human wave attacks against there holy troops, why not nip it in the bud and kill off a bunch of people who dont have a clue.

oh look my little 2 year old baby is taking its first steps, only 2 more days until i give him his first gun to shot the americans....whats the big flash of light
We didn't attack first. They did. In both cases. And I heard that virtually the whole civilian population of Japan was being readied to fight our troops from JAPANESE people who grew up there during the war. They were kids, and they were being given military training and encouraged to be ready to kill Americans.

its nice to read think but just as a note we are not ruled by the queen, she is just a figurehead and holds no power, its like bush, yes he is at the top but he is not the one pulling the strings

i know but the mainstate is that the fundementals that are in place revolve around one point in time when a royal leader put them there...the point i was trying to make was canadians...from the ones i met when i was in toronto for a month are very much more proud of their government and how it is run then americans are

Yes and no.

Terrorists (Fallujah is an example) are being killed, but was they're threat really that big of a threat?

We didn't attack first. They did. In both cases. And I heard that virtually the whole civilian population of Japan was being readied to fight our troops from JAPANESE people who grew up there during the war. They were kids, and they were being given military training and encouraged to be ready to kill Americans.
ya and if you tried to come to my country i would shot you too (wait you already tried and we did shot you)..quick nuke us that would solve your problems, wait 90% of our population lives within 100 mi of the u.s. you dont want that bothersom fallout coming into your country now do you

Are you kidding me? If they want to hit us at home all they need is a plane ticket to mexico. That border is so porous that anyone at all can get through. Once they are here they could assemble the parts for a bomb in one afternoon. Then just hit a train loaded with vinyl chloride as it passes through a city. Boom
That has absolutly nothing to do with what I said.

i know but the mainstate is that the fundementals that are in place revolve around one point in time when a royal leader put them there...the point i was trying to make was canadians...from the ones i met when i was in toronto for a month are very much more proud of their government and how it is run then americans are

ok thanks for the clearification, you should come to b.c. its a nice place and doesnt smell as bad as southern ont.

I disagree that it is 'human nature' to war. And even if I were proved wrong, the majority of humans seem to be able to ignore this nature for the majority of their lives.)

obviously not...because there hasnt been a "peaceful" time in documented history by your definition..ever....there has always been a war going on since the first documentation of war...and it has always been that way...if u think that there wasnt a war going on between kuwait and now iraq...your sadly mistaken...we currently have and have had u.s. troops along the n. korea and s. korea border for some 10-15 yrs now with men from all 3 sides being shot and killed...its an on going war to prevent n. korea from invading s. korea...just because mainstream american media doesnt air it 24/7 doesnt mean that its not happening...your clueless go back to thinking the world and/or america is a perfect place because it isnt hasnt and never will be

obviously not...because there hasnt been a "peaceful" time in documented history by your definition..ever....there has always been a war going on since the first documentation of war...and it has always been that way...if u think that there wasnt a war going on between kuwait and now iraq...your sadly mistaken...we currently have and have had u.s. troops along the n. korea and s. korea border for some 10-15 yrs now with men from all 3 sides being shot and killed...its an on going war to prevent n. korea from invading s. korea...just because mainstream american media doesnt air it 24/7 doesnt mean that its not happening...your clueless go back to thinking the world and/or america is a perfect place because it isnt hasnt and never will be

there is 8 billion people on this planet. thats 8,000,000,000,000 thats a lot, cram 15 people in a 1 bedroom apt. for 1 year and count how many fights there are

I can't stand it when people call Israel a terrorist state. They don't intentionally target civilians. The palestinians do. It's pretty clear cut.

Actually, they do. The difference is that the Israelis don't outright kill them, just oppress them in every way they can legally get away with (which is increasing as the Palestineans fight for freedom).

ok thanks for the clearification, you should come to b.c. its a nice place and doesnt smell as bad as southern ont.


lol too cold im origionally from michigan..thats how i managed to spend a lot of time in canada....and the taxes there are bothersome...last year when me and my g/f were in canada for a month i was shocked to get 3 different taxes on 1 meal...blew my mind lol that and i dont make enough money to move that far ...currently in the process of moving either to austrailia or move with our family to n. dakota to build basically a compound so that when we finally get hit with martial law we will be able to defend our constitutional rights :cool: lol

In America all religions are treated equally. Crap - ever heard of the west memphis three? They were convicted of muder because the rumour was that they were satanists. Maybe all christian religions are treated equally (even though I consider satanism to be an offshoot of it) but I think you should ask some people who subscribe to different religions (paganism, wicca, islam, hindu, etc) about their opinion on that statement. Why am I keen on bombing muslim countries? Because that's where the terrorists and their supporters are. Again crap. Do you really believe that there are no terrorists or terrorist supporters in the US or the UK or Sweden (ffs). Do you really believe that all occupants of these amorphous "muslim countries" are terrorists or their supporters? If you do then you've shown that you are incapable of logical thought processes. We were attacked, and we will make damn sure that they think twice before they do it again. I daresay that was kinda the same thought processes behind the attack in the first place....

I can't stand it when people call Israel a terrorist state. They don't intentionally target civilians. The palestinians do. It's pretty clear cut.

No, it's not.

Both Israeli (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3728800.stm) and Palestinian (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3970995.stm) violence has killed people. Neither state is less gulity; both have blood on their hands. This does not make all Israelis killers or all Palestinians murderers. Both harbour forces that cause terror to civilians, whether it is from a tank shell fired into a refugee camp or a bomb blown up in a market.

Over 3000 humans have died. This is the real tragedy.

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3694350.stm)

I daresay that was kinda the same thought processes behind the attack in the first place....

dont mind that guy hes one of those americans u see on cops running around topless in a trailor park yelling out "america is the greatest country on earth"

lol too cold im origionally from michigan..thats how i managed to spend a lot of time in canada....and the taxes there are bothersome...last year when me and my g/f were in canada for a month i was shocked to get 3 different taxes on 1 meal...blew my mind lol that and i dont make enough money to move that far ...currently in the process of moving either to austrailia or move with our family to n. dakota to build basically a compound so that when we finally get hit with martial law we will be able to defend our constitutional rights :cool: lol

3? man im never going back there to live, shutter, fair have fun austrailia is a nice place many good times good luck

im still curious...is anyone going to answer my question from my first post on this thread "what was the last war to have a battle on american soil with major american casualties"....and i mean battle..not pearl harbor..that wasnt a battle..but i mean when forces were on the ground troop on troop

im still curious...is anyone going to answer my question from my first post on this thread "what was the last war to have a battle on american soil with major american casualties"....and i mean battle..not pearl harbor..that wasnt a battle..but i mean when forces were on the ground troop on troop

IIRC, Mexican-American War. I think they invented the first machine gun after that war was over.

obviously not...because there hasnt been a "peaceful" time in documented history by your definition..ever....there has always been a war going on since the first documentation of war
Yes, I'm not denying this one bit. I'm saying there has never been a majority of humans involved in a war.

...if u think that there wasnt a war going on between kuwait and now iraq...your sadly mistaken...
No, I never claimed that. Re-read my post.

...just because mainstream american media doesnt air it 24/7 doesnt mean that its not happening...your clueless go back to thinking the world and/or america is a perfect place because it isnt hasnt and never will be
I live in Scotland so (thankfully from what I've seen) I don't get mainstream US television.

One more time, I never claimed the world was perfect. I said there has never been a majority of humans involved in a war.

im still curious...is anyone going to answer my question from my first post on this thread "what was the last war to have a battle on american soil with major american casualties"....and i mean battle..not pearl harbor..that wasnt a battle..but i mean when forces were on the ground troop on troop
the war of 1812, you tried ot take on canada(yes we were not canadians yet but they did leave the uk) we repeled your forces and came into yuor land shot up a fort and light the "white" house on fire killing a handful of guys on the way down and you lost...dam cant remember the total death count, but that was the last

the war of 1812, you tried ot take on canada(yes we were not canadians yet but they did leave the uk) we repeled your forces and came into yuor land shot up a fort and light the "white" house on fire killing a handful of guys on the way down and you lost...dam cant remember the total death count, but that was the last

No, I think we had two or three wars after that on American soil.

IIRC, Mexican-American War. I think they invented the first machine gun after that war was over.
i dont think so because you guys when south took land got pushed back but never lost and of your land, only claimed more

IIRC, Mexican-American War. I think they invented the first machine gun after that war was over.


wrong...next! and by the way i was wrong about my earlier post about oil....alaska alone supplies 25% of americas oil supply...thats just alaska...now add in texas and the gulf of mexico....iraq supplies very little to our oil industry :-D

No, I think we had two or three wars after that on American soil.

getting warmer

wrong...next! and by the way i was wrong about my earlier post about oil....alaska alone supplies 25% of americas oil supply...thats just alaska...now add in texas and the gulf of mexico....iraq supplies very little to our oil industry :-D

ok then what is the last war, by the sound of it you know why dont you just tell us

ill make it easier since i know not even the best of pro-american war guys wont even get this one right....In 1943 Japan invaded the Aleutian Islands, which started the One Thousand Mile War, the first battle fought on American soil since the Civil War

just for those of you who have never heard of the aleutian islands...its the little chain of islands that make up some of alaskas most western most parts

ill make it easier since i know not even the best of pro-american war guys wont even get this one right....In 1943 Japan invaded the Aleutian Islands, which started the One Thousand Mile War, the first battle fought on American soil since the Civil War

ok there was more wars in there you did invade canada after your civil war just because you didnt win doesnt mean it didnt happen

ok there was more wars in there you did invade canada after your civil war just because you didnt win doesnt mean it didnt happen

civil war was from 1861-1865....canadian one was way before that

but there wasnt a battle fought on american soil...it was canadian soil
ok you should know this

"and the bomb bursting in air"
that was a fight on u.s. soil in response to the attack on canada land. the fort did not fall but we did bring the fight home to you. we also took a small fort and then walk away from it as a sign of strenght, and your white house is white because it had you be white washed to get the soot stains off, all on your soil

ok you should know this

"and the bomb bursting in air"
that was a fight on u.s. soil in response to the attack on canada land. the fort did not fall but we did bring the fight home to you. we also took a small fort and then walk away from it as a sign of strenght, and your white house is white because it had you be white washed to get the soot stains off, all on your soil

lol notice i deleted that reply...or atleast thought i did after i realized what i had said lol

lol notice i deleted that reply...or atleast thought i did after i realized what i had said lol

ok thats fair, this was a most enjoyable dissuction. iam glad it didnt turn into a pissing contest.
so long from the frozen canadian

The Battle of Baltimore, and the bombardment of Fort McHenry, was important in a lot of ways. First of all, Francis Scott Key watched the whole thing from the deck of a British warship (he was a hostage, long story), and wrote a long poem that eventually got set to music and now we all have to sing it before baseball games start (in the US).

This was a few days after the British burned Washington in a raid (1814), theorotically in reprisal for US forces burning Ontario (which was called London then) in a failed US invasion of Canada in 1813.

The British assault on Baltimore failed, and along with bloody fighting along the Niagara River area and a defeat at Lake Champlain conviced the British to call the whole thing a draw, and end it. The US, going broke, and not doing much more than defending itself relatively successfully at this point (having failed to take Canada earlier) was eager to accept.