NationStates Jolt Archive

I agree with the people who think the U.S. should pull out. These barbarians are not civilized enough to be run as a democracy. They still need a few hundred years of seasoning until they can be allowed to join a modern technological society. Meanwhile, they need a tyrant to keep them under control. I say reinstall Saddam, because executions and rape rooms are all that these primitive savages can understand.

I agree 100%

well this is a real positive post :p

THAT is not an appropriate thing to post.

No one except the terrorists deserve such a date. The Iraqis are human beings just like us and they deserve better than what they have had.

Troll.

Maybe he's got a point. You can't impose democracy, a culture must evolve into it. Arabs may not be ready to take on the responsibility.

Hey, neither are Americans, but we let you do your best since we can't stop you anymore....

Actually, I apologise for that, but still, America hardly slowly evolved to Democracy, in fact the only country which really did was Britain, but all peoples deserve it, even terrorists, and perhaps if they had the right to some say over their lives they wouldn't need to resort to terrorism...

Hey, neither are Americans, but we let you do your best since we can't stop you anymore....
Other than the 2000 election and the old jim crow laws we've been doing a pretty good job. I think we've also been doing it longer than any other country as well. Just because you don't agree with the results of a vote doesn't mean it's not democratic.

I agree 100%

Do they mean the US with those "barbars" and "executionars" (ya know: "he's faking he's dead BANG, well now he is")?

General Order #1:

The Prime Directive

The Prime Directive prohibits interference
in the normal development of any society.

;)

Troll.

I might go so far as to say "Ogre"

Yep, and Americas got democracy figured out well hasn't it. :rolleyes:

In all seriousness, the Kurds have figured it out. Eventually the Sunnis and the Shiites will too, but it may take awhile. They carry grudges for centuries :(

Other than the 2000 election and the old jim crow laws we've been doing a pretty good job. I think we've also been doing it longer than any other country as well. Just because you don't agree with the results of a vote doesn't mean it's not democratic.

Switzerland

And of course the creation of Parliament in Britain.

All much much earlier than the creation of the United States.

Then of course there are the 'Classical' democracies of ancient Greece...

i wouldnt say it so hard, but its true, democracy cant be forced on people.

The American government and voting practices
were taken from the Native Americans.

The problem with what the US and in theory my own country want to do in Iraq is that rather than just setting up a democracy and then letting it do what it wants, their actual aim is to set up a democracy that will do what they want. Not that I'm saying that they would be so crude as to give the government orders, but any government elected under the aegis of the Western powers is likely to be one that the Western powers will like. If the Iraqis voted for a fundamentalist regime, which in any democratic process should be a possible outcome (just look at the way the US is going), I doubt it would be allowed to last long...

I like Bush. He's like a Cour-de-Lion, or a Vlad Tepes. Except more subtle about it.

Regardless.

Hate breeds hate. They hate us, we hate them. Why don't we go back in time and find out who really started it? Then we can find who is really at fault. Yes, let's do it! Iraq? No. Afghanistan? No. Western meddling in Arab affairs since 1798? No. If I may chase a rabbit on that, I think it's funny that Arabs sight 1798 (Boney I's incursion into Egypt) as the start of Western oppression - but they ignore the fact that Mamelukes followed Napoleon and actually made up part of his Guard Cavalry and Personal Guard. Anywho. The Ottoman expansion into the Balkans? No.

The "Reconquista" of Spain? No. The Moorish/Arab invasion of Spain? No. The occupation of Jerusalem by Crusaders in 1099 and the associated massacres? Reynold de Chatillon and his madness? Cour-de-Lion? What about the Arab conquest of Jerusalem?

Back and back we go, where we stop, who really cares?

"I came to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubble gum".

Switzerland

And of course the creation of Parliament in Britain.

All much much earlier than the creation of the United States.

Then of course there are the 'Classical' democracies of ancient Greece...
As for greece, I meant oldest still in existance. I forgot about the Magna Carta. Sorry. Switzerland has been democratic for a long time? I didn't know.

The American government and voting practices
were taken from the Native Americans.
No, that's PC bullshit. They were taken from the European enlightenment.

Actually, I apologise for that, but still, America hardly slowly evolved to Democracy, in fact the only country which really did was Britain, but all peoples deserve it, even terrorists, and perhaps if they had the right to some say over their lives they wouldn't need to resort to terrorism...

Here here, evolution into the democracy is probably the most stable form of transition, look at France they jumped right into it and its taken them 5 subsequent revolutions to get to were they are today, and America, well I think everyone has to agree that’s a bit to corrupt for its own good. The entire point of democracy is not a single form of government more a status quo between several, take the U.K our government is a mixture of right wing conservatives, central liberals and left wing socialist (notice I did not name parties because they are hardly unified) when you just impose democracy its like forcing a bunch of people who hate each other to share an apartment its going to end in violence. Fact of the matter is, if we pulled out tomorrow Iraq would just become like Iran. Now I dint support the war and it was a international crime, but we now have to see this mess though.

the Americans must be bananas to vote for george bush, it's ridiculous to force democracy on iraq....dictatorships aren't always bad..if only the UN had pulled it's socks up...the Americans should have known that the iraqis would not appreciate intervention

Maybe he's got a point. You can't impose democracy, a culture must evolve into it. Arabs may not be ready to take on the responsibility.
Democracy was "imposed" on the Japanese, and they seem to be doing alright now.

Democracy was "imposed" on the Japanese, and they seem to be doing alright now.
Yeah, it's amazing what you can impose after firebombing a few cities, vaporizing a couple more and starving a population almost to death.

Yeah, it's amazing what you can impose after firebombing a few cities, vaporizing a couple more and starving a population almost to death.
Perhaps that should be our policy in the middle east. I'm serious here.

Yeah, it's amazing what you can impose after firebombing a few cities, vaporizing a couple more and starving a population almost to death.
And the current populace of Japan is doing better than they ever did in their history. Hell, many Americans are upset by the perceived superiority of the Japanese.
Yet, Japan had Democracy impoised on them, Japan had sweat shops, Japan had the Asia crisis. American capitalism and democracy imrpove the life of the world, but we get hated for it and called bullies.
There was a comdey based on this (countries doing better after American invasion), The Mouse That Roared (http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009MEKJ/ref%3Dbr%5Flf%5Fd%5F6/702-3045503-2406423).

Perhaps that should be our policy in the middle east. I'm serious here.
Did you just quote yourself?
That is just wrong!
And sick!
Kind of like making a pointless and obvious post just for the sole purpose of raising one's post count.

Imperial Puerto Rico, you are warned for trolling.

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