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I just want to see what others think...

Spicerania
17-11-2004, 18:03
I personally have sat and thought a lot (mostly between commercials or the supposed intellectual fodder education foisted on me) and came to a decision.

Stupidity is a societally caused mental condition. This is news to some, a great big "No duh!" to others.

This led to another stream of thought which I put to you. Exactly how much of common stupidity is unintetional and how much is sheer fluke of situation and personal knowledge. (Anyone who has read the continuing Darwin Awards books knows what I mean.)

I don't believe stupidity is a genetic trait, but that some genes carry the predisposition to less considered thought. So it is a "Meme" or cultural gene that enjoys quite a bit of government/corporate (as if there is a difference any more) sponsorship. The last thing the people in power need is an intellectually sound and informed populous.

Unlike the desire to be a popstar or watch/participate in reality TV which is most likely a genetic trait that should be identified and terminated with haste.

Now my main reason for this belief is there are too many branches of stupidity, eg. creationism, republicanism, McDonalds-ism, gun ownership and so on.

Anyway now that I have finished with my BS this is the question:

What is the primary cause, in your opinion (hopefully with some manner of support), as to the lack of attempts to impeach George Dubya Boosh? Besides the spineless wussies in the democratic party.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/presaddress2.shtml Plus this is just funny.
Joey P
17-11-2004, 18:05
I personally have sat and thought a lot (mostly between commercials or the supposed intellectual fodder education foisted on me) and came to a decision.

Stupidity is a societally caused mental condition. This is news to some, a great big "No duh!" to others.

This led to another stream of thought which I put to you. Exactly how much of common stupidity is unintetional and how much is sheer fluke of situation and personal knowledge. (Anyone who has read the continuing Darwin Awards books knows what I mean.)

I don't believe stupidity is a genetic trait, but that some genes carry the predisposition to less considered thought. So it is a "Meme" or cultural gene that enjoys quite a bit of government/corporate (as if there is a difference any more) sponsorship. The last thing the people in power need is an intellectually sound and informed populous.

Unlike the desire to be a popstar or watch/participate in reality TV which is most likely a genetic trait that should be identified and terminated with haste.

Now my main reason for this belief is there are too many branches of stupidity, eg. creationism, republicanism, McDonalds-ism, gun ownership and so on.

Anyway now that I have finished with my BS this is the question:

What is the primary cause, in your opinion (hopefully with some manner of support), as to the lack of attempts to impeach George Dubya Boosh? Besides the spineless wussies in the democratic party.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/presaddress2.shtml Plus this is just funny.
Stupidity is to some extent genetic. Some people can't process and store info. as well as others. Gun ownership isn't stupid, it's planning ahead.
Spicerania
17-11-2004, 18:09
Planning ahead to what? When the mexicans/canadians invade?

To quote Bill Hicks "You would be a fool and a communist to note that there is a connection between owning a gun and shooting someone and not owning a gun and NOT shooting someone."
Joey P
17-11-2004, 18:27
Planning ahead to what? When the mexicans/canadians invade?

To quote Bill Hicks "You would be a fool and a communist to note that there is a connection between owning a gun and shooting someone and not owning a gun and NOT shooting someone."
Planning ahead for when some unfortunate idiot tries to break into my house or do me some serious harm. What are you going to do? Explain to him the error of his ways and hope he goes away?
DeaconDave
17-11-2004, 18:30
What is the primary cause, in your opinion (hopefully with some manner of support), as to the lack of attempts to impeach George Dubya Boosh? Besides the spineless wussies in the democratic party.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/presaddress2.shtml Plus this is just funny.

it's not like a bill of attainder you know.
Vittos Ordination
17-11-2004, 19:01
Owning a gun is not stupid, collecting guns is not stupid. At least not anymore that any other hobbies. The mass belief of many gun owners that someone is going to break into their house and they are going to be the hero and shoot the guy is mildly stupid.

As for stupidity, it is mostly genetic. Ignorance, however, is a society induced fault.

And the government doesn't sponsor stupid people, it panders to them. Any president who controls the stupid vote will win. Right now, Bush is pretty dominant in the stupid vote.
The Reunited Yorkshire
17-11-2004, 19:17
It takes a lot more effort to research and find out things for yourself before coming to educated conclusions than it does to let people tell you what's right and what's not. Some forms of stupidity and ignorance such as creationism are drilled into people at an early age and so are effectively irresistable, though some can break this conditioning. It is the same with less clear cut issues such as politics, or gun ownership, how people are brought up is likely to reflect the way people see things as adults. Of course, access to education, reading materials, the truth etc. is vital if rational opinions are to be formed and defended...
Friedmanville
17-11-2004, 19:25
Now my main reason for this belief is there are too many branches of stupidity, eg. creationism, republicanism, McDonalds-ism, gun ownership and so on.

Anyway now that I have finished with my BS this is the question:

What is the primary cause, in your opinion (hopefully with some manner of support), as to the lack of attempts to impeach George Dubya Boosh? Besides the spineless wussies in the democratic party.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/presaddress2.shtml Plus this is just funny.

I think there is less stupidity and more intellectual laziness. It's easier to say that creationism, Republicanism, MCDonaldsism, and gun ownership are "branches of stupidity" than to actually think about them and develop a cogent argument as to why these -isms are incorrect or not applicable to a given situation.
Ashmoria
17-11-2004, 20:05
impeachment is a political process. to have the presidents own party move to impeach him would require misconduct of such egregious nature that 90% of the public would be clamoring for it.

democrats can talk impeachment all day long, they dont have the votes to get it started.

and just what grounds do you think there are for impeaching the president?
TheOneEyedRooster
17-11-2004, 20:12
...ahh crap... here come the Fahrenheit 9/11 quotes...
Gnostikos
17-11-2004, 20:14
Umm, no, stupidity is mostly genetic. Experiences alter your brain's wiring, toan extent, but genes determine the levels of intelligences. They can be developed or stagnate, but it not a societal quality. Geneticists will agree. Unless you're a creationist, you will agree.
Spicerania
17-11-2004, 22:17
first of all I am uninterested in quoting Michael Moore.

WHY should Dubya be impeached?
Lets start with the obvious shall we:

Freedom Fries. This statement alone shows the sheer crass, bone-headed, simianesque thought that Americans seem only to happy to applaude.
Without the french the US of A wouldn't exist as we know it. Chances are the world may or may not be all the better for it (I'm not up to debating that point since I see it as a 50/50 and have no firm stance).

Fact your own government supplied the vast share of what Saddam used so that he would kill Iranians.

On the question of government sponsored stupidity. G Dubya (sounds like a rapper moniker come to think of it) purposely underfunded the "No Child Left Behind" act/statute/programme. An uninformed mass is an easily controlled mass.

The Patriot act. How many of you have had your homes searched by the authorities? You don't know because they have the power to do so and are not required to tell you.

Agreed on the gun point I was overzealous and admit it. But your country should realise that LESS guns will mean LESS gun related crime and deaths. Plus I see no sense in an armed populous who are constantly being told about all those arab terrorists just waiting to invade your country.

Genetics governs very little in the way of comparative intelligence. Only in the case of genes that cause brain damage. Beyond that I am a firm believer in Nurture over Nature. It is a matter of how you deal with intellectual development. Something that standardised education from A) experience and B) from the studies of psychologists and various specialists have proven conclusively time and time again is uselessly underfunded and "Hamfisted" in its approach.
(Also anyone who thinks there are "Better" genes should really think about the concept(I did for a long time and then realised it was straying into "that" territory))

Last I checked about 1,100-1,300 american soldiers died in Iraq so far. Clinton screwed some girls.

Who has done more damage?

Alright I can't resist one quote from Michael Moore. "THERE... IS... NO... TERRORIST... THREAT!"

Fact there are more terrorists now than before 9/11.

Also just as a note the more often a politician mentions God, Freedom, Hate and protect the more they'll screw you. (Plus whose side is God on really? since everyone has this cooky idea that he is on their side.)

What Bill Hicks was saying a decade and more ago is just as true today.

In America you are free to do whatever you want so long as you do what WE tell you. (can't remember the exact words but that is the sentiment.)
Spicerania
17-11-2004, 22:19
also on another note if you check the papers around the time of the original Gulf War the "Free american press" said that america sold Iraq farming equipment which they converted to military use...

Ever seen a war tractor?
Joey P
17-11-2004, 22:23
also on another note if you check the papers around the time of the original Gulf War the "Free american press" said that america sold Iraq farming equipment which they converted to military use...

Ever seen a war tractor?
Actually we sold them bioreactors for production of BT, a bacteria used to control certain pests that eat crops. The same bioreactors work well for producing Anthrax.
Kecibukia
17-11-2004, 22:24
also on another note if you check the papers around the time of the original Gulf War the "Free american press" said that america sold Iraq farming equipment which they converted to military use...

Ever seen a war tractor?

Yep, I see camo painted "Assault Tractors" every day. They're next on the Kennedy/Feinstein list.
Iranamok
17-11-2004, 22:26
Much falseness. By far, the majority of Iraq's military equipment came from the USSR and France. Those weren't F-14's the US was shooting up, they were MiG's. Those weren't M1A1's they were blowing up, they were T-72's. Those antiaircraft sites they were blowing up? Roland II (French).

If you're going to make accusations, at least make ones that an eight-year-old with dyslexia couldn't refute in 30 seconds or less.
HyperionCentauri
17-11-2004, 22:29
there is genuin stupidity in all populations, the brain not making the right connections, even alsheimers is a form of genun stupidity.. i have met many stupid people (i may even be one myself and would never know, as you)!

but i belive that most stupidity in those people i know and have met is not usually genun stupidity- it is Ignorance, you can be called stupid if your ignorant but that does not mean you are generally stupid, the word is misused.

lol Mr bush is actually stupid.. or "below average intelligence" to be kinder.
no offence, but a good deal of basic army personel (all armies) are not stupid but ignorant due to many reasons for them choosing the army.. *off topic* there may well be a genious amoung the ignorant, to develope everone's individual skills- that is the reason we have to have education! yet bush (and many other presidents of the USA and leaders of the world) sees that it is more important to fund the latest killing machine project and take away funding from schools than develop and feed the minds of many many of the nation's citizens which in the long run will resault in a far more prosperouse nation!
HyperionCentauri
17-11-2004, 22:34
Much falseness. By far, the majority of Iraq's military equipment came from the USSR and France. Those weren't F-14's the US was shooting up, they were MiG's. Those weren't M1A1's they were blowing up, they were T-72's. Those antiaircraft sites they were blowing up? Roland II (French).

If you're going to make accusations, at least make ones that an eight-year-old with dyslexia couldn't refute in 30 seconds or less.

no those units were bought, traded, or given to Iraq or by Iraq- the USA funded the regime, which is what america usually does to the side it likes or prefers in a war.. since the policy of containment. eg. mashal aid. or eg Batista
Spicerania
18-11-2004, 02:51
The hewlett packard radars? The Hughes brand(I think that is the right one)helicopters? Not to mention the other $1.5 billion, give or take, of equipment sold to the Iraqis direct by upstanding american companies who love freedom. The military surveilance equipment and records that were GIVEN to the Iraqis along with military advice when they had full knowledge about their methods. Even after he started killed his own people the White house still pandered to them. It wasn't till Kuwait that they did something. That was with far from honourable reasons.

Did I meantion the bit about america selling guns to countries under the express reasons for them to be passed onto Iraq?