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I think that crimes against children are the worst crimes possible. Rape of a child is truely dispicable. There is a 7 year old girl in our town that was raped over and over by her moms boyfriend. Her genitals were torn and he sewed them back together with fishing line and a needle. She spent weeks in the hospital and her physical wounds healed. I doubt that her emotional scars will ever heal.....
Having said all of this- this is what I think- I think that rape, murder, molestation,harm to a child should be punished by public torture, followed by public execution. Maybe if criminals saw what would happen to them if they prey on innocent children, then they might think twice. I live is the USA btw. What do you think?

Agreed ... children aught to be cherished

Having said all of this- this is what I think- I think that rape, murder, molestation,harm to a child should be punished by public torture, followed by public execution. Maybe if criminals saw what would happen to them if they prey on innocent children, then they might think twice. I live is the USA btw. What do you think?
This is truly discusting and horrible but still. Criminals don't think about consequences when they act. And this kind of criminals are out of their mind, they don't think they're doing anything wrong (they have created a very twisted view of the world to reason their actions.)

I don't agree about the execution part.

Heavy torture is all right, but if made in public it could give ideas to maniacs. It's allrigth as long as it does not become some sort of public entertainment.

And killing them would not be a good idea. I'm against death penalty... In this case, it would end the suffering too soon. I suggest maiming and marking as a first-offence penalty, followed by twenty years in jail. If the criminal repeats, we could consider other sorts of punishment.

I have some experience dealing with pedophiles. Usually these are people who were themselves molested as children. Not only do they not realize that what they have done is wrong, their own psyche is so stunted that they don't realize they've done anything out of the normal. No punishment would deter them before the fact. Just put them out of circulation for as long as possible.

I have some experience dealing with pedophiles. Usually these are people who were themselves molested as children. Not only do they not realize that what they have done is wrong, their own psyche is so stunted that they don't realize they've done anything out of the normal. No punishment would deter them before the fact. Just put them out of circulation for as long as possible.

Agreed. In answer Peechland, however, i don't think the codoning of torture/capital punishment could ever work, that would make you as bad as they are. Try to avoid "An eye for an eye" approach IMHO. But how to take them out of circulation is the question.

I think that rape, murder, molestation,harm to a child should be punished by public torture, followed by public execution. Maybe if criminals saw what would happen to them if they prey on innocent children, then they might think twice. I live is the USA btw. What do you think?

Take this to your local congressman and add a couple more offences such as not agreeing with you and you may get somewhere. And you didn't really need to add your nationality. We'd have guessed anyway.

More explicitly: of course it's disgusting and so is your proposal.

I think that crimes against children are the worst crimes possible. Rape of a child is truely dispicable. There is a 7 year old girl in our town that was raped over and over by her moms boyfriend. Her genitals were torn and he sewed them back together with fishing line and a needle. She spent weeks in the hospital and her physical wounds healed. I doubt that her emotional scars will ever heal.....
Having said all of this- this is what I think- I think that rape, murder, molestation,harm to a child should be punished by public torture, followed by public execution. Maybe if criminals saw what would happen to them if they prey on innocent children, then they might think twice. I live is the USA btw. What do you think?No worries. any criminal that harms a child is going to have a very, VERY ruff time in jail. Some of my friends who work the penns mentions that those who hurt children are "fair and open game" to all convicts they hate those type of criminals.

I'm friends with someone who was raped for 3 or 4 years, starting from when she was about 6 or 7 by her step-dad
she had no idea it was wrong, even when he threatened to kill her family if she told them. But what's the most disgusting thing about it was when she was 15 she built up the nerve to tell her mum and all her mum did was laugh and say "what he fucking raped you?" *laugh some more*

If anything, I think that moment was what turned her. She's actually quite unaffected being raped every day for years.

Nah death is too easy for rapists... I'm only against it because it's such an easy way out... they should be tortured, slowly, painfully
maybe even be raped themselves.

Yeah I watched this episode of Oprah where some woman went out in search of her father who raped her and her sisters, and when she confronted him (with a box of crayons, because when he assualted her little sister, he didn't use his penis...he shoved crayons..)...well anyway, he just shook his head and said it never happened.

I'm friends with someone who was raped for 3 or 4 years, starting from when she was about 6 or 7 by her step-dad
she had no idea it was wrong, even when he threatened to kill her family if she told them. But what's the most disgusting thing about it was when she was 15 she built up the nerve to tell her mum and all her mum did was laugh and say "what he fucking raped you?" *laugh some more*

If anything, I think that moment was what turned her. She's actually quite unaffected being raped every day for years.

Nah death is too easy for rapists... I'm only against it because it's such an easy way out... they should be tortured, slowly, painfully
maybe even be raped themselves.

Yeah I watched this episode of Oprah where some woman went out in search of her father who raped her and her sisters, and when she confronted him (with a box of crayons, because when he assualted her little sister, he didn't use his penis...he shoved crayons..)...well anyway, he just shook his head and said it never happened.


Sounds like the story of my gf(almost the same ages but hers was more like for 5 + years) ... but her little sister was the one that told a bf who told a councoler

(this is a speach for TELLING SOMEONE) my gf was the oldest of 7 girls! he only got to the first two ... if her younger sister had not said anything ... and the councilor had not taken the correct action ... the rest of her sisters would have been big time messed up

I can see it in my gf ... in some ways so adult ... in some ways so under developed because of this.

Nothing could harm a kid and a future adult more I think

I can think of equally harmful ways to ruin a childs future, but this is by far the most disgusting way. Stripping away their innocence

So adult yet under-developed: yeah I see it in my friend too.

I can think of equally harmful ways to ruin a childs future, but this is by far the most disgusting way. Stripping away their innocence

So adult yet under-developed: yeah I see it in my friend too.
yeah I mean in some ways she has had to be so adult at such a young age ... but when it comes to sex ... emotions ... dating feelings and standing up for herself it is like she is 8 years old again

(and if you want to be really disgusted my gf suffers from 100 percent child arthritis most of the time ... worlds youngest double hip replacement untill the last year or so ... and had to be in a wheelchair from ages 10 - 15 WHILE this was going on)

I agree completely.

(and if you want to be really disgusted my gf suffers from 100 percent child arthritis most of the time ... worlds youngest double hip replacement untill the last year or so ... and had to be in a wheelchair from ages 10 - 15 WHILE this was going on)

That's so terrible.

What happened to the guy who raped her?

For you "holier than thou people" who deemed my opinion disgusting .......let it happen to your child or sibling and see what you think then. I take back the execution thing , because as someone else pointed out- that would end their suffering and they should have to endure a lifetime of it. I'm a 30 year old mother of two, not some punk who wants to kill everyone who disagrees with them. So scoff if you like....and not all pedophiles think what theyre doing is right. Ive seen some documentatries and interviews from inmates who were pedophiles and some of them said "yeah i knew it was wrong, but i just couldnt help myself....its like having to have a cigarette or cheeseburger.....once you get the craving-you just gotta have one." How f-ing sick is that????

How f-ing sick is that????
sick, and that's exactly what it is. Torturing them wouldn't make any difference.

I have some experience dealing with pedophiles. Usually these are people who were themselves molested as children. Not only do they not realize that what they have done is wrong, their own psyche is so stunted that they don't realize they've done anything out of the normal. No punishment would deter them before the fact. Just put them out of circulation for as long as possible.

Killing them does exactly that.

sick, and that's exactly what it is. Torturing them wouldn't make any difference.

what exactly would make a difference? Is that what we do is just throw our hands up and say "well its an illness and cant be helped". Thats BS.

For you "holier than thou people" who deemed my opinion disgusting .......let it happen to your child or sibling and see what you think then. I take back the execution thing , because as someone else pointed out- that would end their suffering and they should have to endure a lifetime of it. I'm a 30 year old mother of two, not some punk who wants to kill everyone who disagrees with them. So scoff if you like....and not all pedophiles think what theyre doing is right. Ive seen some documentatries and interviews from inmates who were pedophiles and some of them said "yeah i knew it was wrong, but i just couldnt help myself....its like having to have a cigarette or cheeseburger.....once you get the craving-you just gotta have one." How f-ing sick is that????

so you want inflict on them, what they did to your child? you say a whole life time of suffering, but that simply makes you as bad as they are. I agree its sick and disgusting, but don't you want to remain above them and not resort to what they did?

what exactly would make a difference? Is that what we do is just throw our hands up and say "well its an illness and cant be helped". Thats BS.
Well I believe there are better rehab methods than torturing. I never said they can't be cured (eventhough it will be hard and quite often impossible). Just throw them in prison, they'll face enough torture in there and when they get out, they should be monitored.

That's so terrible.

What happened to the guy who raped her?
Jail (Yes JAIL not prision) with work release during the day for like just under a year if I remember (otherwise it is prision if it is over a year)

I dident ask the specific but I know he had work release and I am pretty sure that prision does not do that (at least the st cloud one which is were he would have went because I know he was still in the area)

Well I believe there are better rehab methods than torturing. I never said they can't be cured (eventhough it will be hard and quite often impossible). Just throw them in prison, they'll face enough torture in there and when they get out, they should be monitored.
Sexual deviations are almsot NEVER cured and have the single HIGHEST re-occurance rates

Sexual deviations are almsot NEVER cured and have the single HIGHEST re-occurance rates
Still, torturing them is not the answer.

What about children who commit crimes against and abuse other children. Should they be tortured too?

Still, torturing them is not the answer.
Dident say torturing them ... just pointed it out lol

so you want inflict on them, what they did to your child? you say a whole life time of suffering, but that simply makes you as bad as they are. I agree its sick and disgusting, but don't you want to remain above them and not resort to what they did?

Torturing a pedophile for putting his 7 inch penis inside the underdeveloped vagina of a 7 year old (some victims even younger)or in her tiny anus and inflicting pain and fear that you nor I can even comprehend.......youre damn right Id resort to violence against them. Anyone who wouldnt want to inflict pain and torture to someone who does that is just emotionally numb.

What about children who commit crimes against and abuse other children. Should they be tortured too?

Depends on the ages of the children. Teenagers shouldnt get away free just because they arent "legal adults" and are still classified as children. What if a 16 year old raped a 6 year old on a dare or to become part of a gang or just to prove he was man enough to do it. You tell me.

Anyone who wouldnt want to inflict pain and torture to someone who does that is just emotionally numb.
Excuse me but isn't that exactly what you want to do?

Anyone who wouldnt want to inflict pain and torture to someone who does that is just emotionally numb.
I agree. I am sick of politically correct attitudes regarding 'rehabilitation' of paedophiles. If they were abused in their youth, then they ought to know how utterly vile this type of behaviour is - it simply isn't an excuse. A friend of mine was raped when he was 8, and I unfortunately had some 'less serious' experience myself when I was younger. People who haven't been there, or who don't know someone who has, cannot possibly know how it feels. I can't speak for other countries, but since the death penalty has gone here crime in general has shot up. True, many more crimes are likely to be reported these days, but that is simply not proportional to the current high figures. The only thing I have against the death penalty is the possible risk of a miscarriage of justice; but if you can prove that some bastard sexually molested a poor kid, then (s)he has effectively ruined their life. Why should they have any rights having stripped the kid of theirs?!

Excuse me but isn't that exactly what you want to do?
Yes - to scumbags who have done a lot to deserve it, rather than to completely innocent children.

Crimes against children are horrible. Espescially young children. To steal their innocence in such a dreadful way is worthy of the most nasty punishment people can dole out.

Depends on the ages of the children. Teenagers shouldnt get away free just because they arent "legal adults" and are still classified as children. What if a 16 year old raped a 6 year old on a dare or to become part of a gang or just to prove he was man enough to do it. You tell me.

Oh I agree.

And we should kill and torture the parents who just stand by and let it happen too.

Torturing a pedophile for putting his 7 inch penis inside the underdeveloped vagina of a 7 year old (some victims even younger)or in her tiny anus and inflicting pain and fear that you nor I can even comprehend.......youre damn right Id resort to violence against them. Anyone who wouldnt want to inflict pain and torture to someone who does that is just emotionally numb.

No, they are as medieval and sadistic as those who commited the crime in the first place. IMHO we'll never agree on this, so i suggest we agree, if nothing else, to differ.

Excuse me but isn't that exactly what you want to do?

Yes it is- which is why I'm not emotionally numb.

I definitely agree that this sort of thing is dispicable, and it goes without saying that it should be severely punished, but don't expect punishment to serve as deterance. I think it's been pretty conclusively shown that crimes, particularly ones such as pedophilia, are going to be comitted, regardless of how severely the perpetrators are punished when caught.

No, they are as medieval and sadistic as those who commited the crime in the first place. IMHO we'll never agree on this, so i suggest we agree, if nothing else, to differ.

Do you have any children?

I definitely agree that this sort of thing is dispicable, and it goes without saying that it should be severely punished, but don't expect punishment to serve as deterance. I think it's been pretty conclusively shown that crimes, particularly ones such as pedophilia, are going to be comitted, regardless of how severely the perpetrators are punished when caught.
This is a fair point, actually. All the more reason for incapacitation theories in sentencing the scum...

Oh I agree.

And we should kill and torture the parents who just stand by and let it happen too.

Yes I agree- the child I described earlier who was raped by her moms boyfriend-if she knew about it she should suffer too. Children look to their parents for protection. Not protecting your child from harm is the ultimate betrayal.

This is a fair point, actually. All the more reason for incapacitation theories in sentencing the scum...

Yes. This is one of those few crimes where I believe the punishment should be considered as retribution ... period. Not just for the sake of the wounded ( or even dead ) child, but for the child's parents and society as a whole.

I have always seen children as our future. IMHO, anyone who doesn't participate in their protection and nurturing when they have a chance, hates his/her own future.

Yes I agree- the child I described earlier who was raped by her moms boyfriend-if she knew about it she should suffer too. Children look to their parents for protection. Not protecting your child from harm is the ultimate betrayal.

Her mom should definitey get the same treatment.

If she didn't know what was going on, then she's the worst kind of mother anyway, which is just as bad.

I think the law is far to light on negligent mothers in any case.

Do you have any children?

No and that will always be the weak point in my argument, I know that. But as the victim of extremely serious bullying when I was younger (Multiple extreme physical and verbal assault, death threats, nearly all of which I was advised to get legal advice on) I can appreciate some of what people have gone through. But my point is that you should not torture people who have done the same, you throw away any morality you hold in that case. Whats makes you any better than them if you do the same back?

We got rid of capital punishment because we felt immoral killing those who had committed the most heinous of crimes, because I don’t believe that its any bodies right to take the life of another in any other case except self defense. I mean, for example, if the kid who was raped had access to a gun and shot the man who raped her, fair enough, it was a clear case of self defense, but if the girls dad finds out goes round and shoots the guy in the legs (or wherever) and tortures the guy, that’s just as morally wrong in my opinion. Its because we hold our morals to be higher than what we would automatically do back, that you should not torture or kill another in vengence.


EDIT: Damn typos

The Empire of Presidency has already implimented public floggings for criminal acts and it is a great deterent for crime! (We are hopeing to make public executions the next addition to crime deterency)

No and that will always be the weak point in my argument, I know that. But as the victim of extremely serious bullying when I was younger (Multiple extreme physical and verbal assault, death threats, nearly all of which I was advised to get legal advice on) I can appreciate some of what people have gone through. But my point is that you should not torture people who have done the same, you throw away any morality you hold in that case. Whats makes you any better than them if you do the same back?
No I agree torture wouldn’t help things besides make me feel better

But the death penalty (specially with reoccurrence rates for sexual crimes) might be something to look at

I don't agree with a state imposed death penalty. I do agree with life in prison with no parole, and a law that allows friends/family members of the victim to kill the criminal and get away with it if they can prove rape in a court of law.

No I agree torture wouldn’t help things besides make me feel better

But the death penalty (specially with reoccurrence rates for sexual crimes) might be something to look at

I would like to see the introduction of Life Sentances where it means you leave prison in a casket and no other way. Child Rape should carry that sentance.

I don't agree with a state imposed death penalty. I do agree with life in prison with no parole, and a law that allows friends/family members of the victim to kill the criminal and get away with it if they can prove rape in a court of law.

A posthumous trial for the accused? Brillient! Also unconstitutional. He has a right to face his accusers in a court of law. But you don't mind that, do you? You also don't mind all the frame-ups that such a fucktarded idea would produce.

A posthumous trial for the accused? Brillient! Also unconstitutional. He has a right to face his accusers in a court of law. But you don't mind that, do you? You also don't mind all the frame-ups that such a fucktarded idea would produce.
I think maybe he meant more of an addition to the self defense clause which already allows active protection of others …

Something under the “justifiable homicide” not post trial but pre trial so that they don’t get a hefty penalty when it is provable
(I don’t think that would work but I think it is what he ment)

I think maybe he meant more of an addition to the self defense clause which already allows active protection of others …

Something under the “justifiable homicide” not post trial but pre trial so that they don’t get a hefty penalty when it is provable
(I don’t think that would work but I think it is what he ment)
Thank you. That's exactly what I meant.

I don't agree with a state imposed death penalty. I do agree with life in prison with no parole, and a law that allows friends/family members of the victim to kill the criminal and get away with it if they can prove rape in a court of law.

I do not see anything there that suggests anything other than retribution, that is, revenge killing, as it is called in the 'Stans. And if you meant self-defence, as has been pointed out, it's already there.

Child abuse is a big concern. Here (http://www.casanet.org/library/abuse/abuse-factsheet.htm)

We should go after the mothers too.

I don't agree about the execution part.

Heavy torture is all right, but if made in public it could give ideas to maniacs. It's allrigth as long as it does not become some sort of public entertainment.

And killing them would not be a good idea. I'm against death penalty... In this case, it would end the suffering too soon. I suggest maiming and marking as a first-offence penalty, followed by twenty years in jail. If the criminal repeats, we could consider other sorts of punishment.

How can people be against the death penalty if they're for torture and suffering of criminals? Isn't the whole reason you're against the death penalty because it's inhumane? If you're against it for that reason, then you shouldn't be for torture, otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Rape should be severely punished. I hate governments that condone laws like "2 years for rape, but only if the victim resisted", like in Norway. It makes me sick to the stomach.

Rape: Life-long jail. USA can be blamed for a lot of things, but they've got that one right once and for all. I've got four friends who have been raped, though, and someone tried to kidnap my grandmother when she was young for unknown reasons. Luckily she was walking her angel of a "harmless" golden retriever who turned less friendly and harmless when she started screaming and proceeded to promptly close her teeth around his arm, probably breaking his wrist. I'm tempted, oh so tempted, to support death sentence for rape... but that'd be too irrational. Better said as "torture wouldn’t help things besides make me feel better" :mad: .

Also, the cops have to get their asses in gear and actually arrest the swines. Way too many cases aren't followed through. This one fifteen-year old (at the time) friend of mine was raped and when she pressed charges the cops did litteraly nothing for some reason. So now she lives in the same apartment complex as the guy who raped her. Lucky kid :rolleyes: .

Her mom should definitey get the same treatment.

If she didn't know what was going on, then she's the worst kind of mother anyway, which is just as bad.

I think the law is far to light on negligent mothers in any case.
Right, trust no one, buy a gun, be awake 24/7 to guard you home and kids :rolleyes: .

Er, no...

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I also believe it's possible to hypnotise criminals so that they can't feel any power from raping people. I'm pretty sure of it, actually. And the hypnosis can be programmed so that no one or only a select person can remove it. Sort of like a modern curse. I know it sounds crazy, but it's proven to work, though maybe not in that form. However, hypnosis can do the strangest, strangest things. I read about it in this popular-science magazine.

It'd be an alternative to neutering, too ;) , and maybe I'd even let rapists back into society after a long prison term then. Maybe.

Safe-Keeper,
Minister of Nordfjord

I never believed that anyone would actually seriously advocate government sponsored torture in the US.

I was wrong :(

You are all right, we should torture criminals, because that is what Jesus would want.

You are all right, we should torture criminals, because that is what Jesus would want.

I should know better but i am hoping you were being sarcastic

I never believed that anyone would actually seriously advocate government sponsored torture in the US.

I was wrong :(

You are all right, we should torture criminals, because that is what Jesus would want.
Who the hell cares what Jesus wants lol

I should know better but i am hoping you were being sarcastic

Yes, I'm being sarcastic. This whole plan is sick. If you want institute capital punishment for this type of crime, fine, I think these crimes are disgusting too.

But public torture?!! WTF.

I guarantee doing that kind of thing would only make society more violent, not less. It's like...... well I don't know what it is like, I'm shocked.

Why don't we torture these people and better yet, why not take our kids to watch. Because then when they see us mutilate someone for an hour or two, then they'll learn just how valuable human life is.

This is honestly one of the more appaling things that I have read on NS. Mostly because I don't think this is the work of a trol, but that people are serious.

I think a person that will do something to an adult or a child is no different than the other. When we try to place levels on any heinous act as being one being worse than another, we desensitize the act when it happens to the other. Equal crimes that do harm to any other deserve equal punishment. All violent criminals should be behind bars. Why we waste any time with the dope smokers, johns and prostitutes I don't know. They wonder why we have a problem with not enough room for prisoners, because we try to enforce the law upon a bunch of self-willing individuals. When we label a willing exchange that harms no one in the process as a broken law, thats exactly what you get: broken Dictionary definition: To destroy the completeness of.

Ever wonder why after breaking a dollar it is much more difficult to keep up with all the loose change? The violent criminals (including theft or any person on person crime that is reported) are the dollars (criminals)that we should be trying to maintain first and foremost. Who would you rather have taken up jail space? 100 (pennies) pot smokers/johns/prostitutes or 100 (dollars) rapists/molesters/murderers? They all cost the same to incarcerate, why not get the most bang for our bucks.
The money we waste on incarcinating victimless crimes, should be spent on researching/implementing everything and anything to stop and catch the big fish. The money we waste could be spent on major cases we have not solved.

rapists should be hung by their genitals and then decapitated.
murderers should die the same way their victims did.
ok, so i'm a bit extreme.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic. This whole plan is sick. If you want institute capital punishment for this type of crime, fine, I think these crimes are disgusting too.

But public torture?!! WTF.

I guarantee doing that kind of thing would only make society more violent, not less. It's like...... well I don't know what it is like, I'm shocked.

Why don't we torture these people and better yet, why not take our kids to watch. Because then when they see us mutilate someone for an hour or two, then they'll learn just how valuable human life is.

This is honestly one of the more appaling things that I have read on NS. Mostly because I don't think this is the work of a trol, but that people are serious.

Hey Deacon- while youre bringing God into this- ever heard of stoning someone to death? I'm sure I read that somewhere in the Bible. And your idea of whats sick and what some of us on here think may differ. Like I said- a horny grown man who forces his penis inside that of a child and causes his or her genitalia to rip and be so unimaginablly painful is a hell of a lot sicker than publically beating the very same man for that crime.

How can people be against the death penalty if they're for torture and suffering of criminals? Isn't the whole reason you're against the death penalty because it's inhumane? If you're against it for that reason, then you shouldn't be for torture, otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Not everybody's against it because it's inhumane. Some think it's too humane.

Rape: Life-long jail. USA can be blamed for a lot of things, but they've got that one right once and for all. I've got four friends who have been raped, though, and someone tried to kidnap my grandmother when she was young for unknown reasons. Luckily she was walking her angel of a "harmless" golden retriever who turned less friendly and harmless when she started screaming and proceeded to promptly close her teeth around his arm, probably breaking his wrist. I'm tempted, oh so tempted, to support death sentence for rape... but that'd be too irrational. Better said as "torture wouldn’t help things besides make me feel better" :mad:.

Just for your records, punishments for Rape in the US are pretty light. And can somebody tell me why it's more despiccable to overpower and rape a child than it is to overpower and rape an adult? As I see it, the crime is just as ugly. It's taking advantage of another's less-developed ability to resist. Whether someone is a minor or not doesn't necessarily change the dammage done. Picking on someone less adept that yourself should be more severely punished. As it stands, drug offenders get more time in jail than rapists.

Pedophiles get tortured in prison by the other prisoners.

It'll never happen, but I support castration or possibly lobotomies for these people. Public torture would be a rediculous idea I think.

Just for your records, punishments for Rape in the US are pretty light. And can somebody tell me why it's more despiccable to overpower and rape a child than it is to overpower and rape an adult? As I see it, the crime is just as ugly. It's taking advantage of another's less-developed ability to resist. Whether someone is a minor or not doesn't necessarily change the dammage done. Picking on someone less adept that yourself should be more severely punished. As it stands, drug offenders get more time in jail than rapists.

I guess because this thread was about sex crimes against children, but youre right- rape , no matter who it is, should be handled just the same. I think sex crimes against children are (how do i say this without minimizing rape in general) are especially heinous because as adults, we know what sex is. We know what making love to your partner feels like. We've experienced sexual pleasures. Children have a certain innocence. They arent aware of sex or what it means. So when it happens to them, I think it must be terrifying of whats going on. They have bumped their head and scraped their knees. But the pain inflicted on a child who is physically imcompatible with an adult, has to be without a doubt unimaginable. I do think that all rapists should be tortured and raped themselves. I am just saying that the rape of a child is more horrible in my opinion. Rape period is horrible.

It'll never happen, but I support castration or possibly lobotomies for these people. Public torture would be a rediculous idea I think.


If you were a rapist and knew that the penalty for your crime -if you were caught, was spending 5 years, maybe less, maybe more, in prison with cable tv, free room and board, and recreation time- maybe subconciously you might think that the punishment isnt that bad. Not a horrible price to pay for quenching your lustful perverted thirst.
Now imagine youre a rapist and there was a new penalty for sex offenders. If you were convicted of rape, you would be tortured for days until you were barely alive. With drills and blades and whips and razors and acid and whatever kind of scary tools could be used to torture someone. Better yet- your heard about the new punishment and read that it would be shown on television to the public so that they may see what happens to sex offenders now. Would you as a rapist think a little bit longer before forcing yourself on someone? I think I'd masterbate if that was the penalty.

I guess because this thread was about sex crimes against children, but youre right- rape , no matter who it is, should be handled just the same. I think sex crimes against children are (how do i say this without minimizing rape in general) are especially heinous because as adults, we know what sex is. We know what making love to your partner feels like. We've experienced sexual pleasures. Children have a certain innocence. They arent aware of sex or what it means. So when it happens to them, I think it must be terrifying of whats going on. They have bumped their head and scraped their knees. But the pain inflicted on a child who is physically imcompatible with an adult, has to be without a doubt unimaginable. I do think that all rapists should be tortured and raped themselves. I am just saying that the rape of a child is more horrible in my opinion. Rape period is horrible.

While I can understand your justification, I can't help but point out that you assume all adults have experienced sex. That's certainly not always the case. Either way, I can't manage to turn over in my head which is worse, knowing what's happening through everything, or not understanding. If you don't understand, there's tons of confusion about what just happened and what it meant. If you do understand what just happened there's less confusion about the thing itself and more confusion (and in some cases, more guilt) about why it happened and what the victim failed to do to prevent it. A child doesn't have to toil over what they could have done, but they do have to toil over the meaning of it all. It's a case of equal but different (with respect to the emotional dammage which is more lasting).

If you were a rapist and knew that the penalty for your crime -if you were caught, was spending 5 years, maybe less, maybe more, in prison with cable tv, free room and board, and recreation time- maybe subconciously you might think that the punishment isnt that bad. Not a horrible price to pay for quenching your lustful perverted thirst.
Now imagine youre a rapist and there was a new penalty for sex offenders. If you were convicted of rape, you would be tortured for days until you were barely alive. With drills and blades and whips and razors and acid and whatever kind of scary tools could be used to torture someone. Better yet- your heard about the new punishment and read that it would be shown on television to the public so that they may see what happens to sex offenders now. Would you as a rapist think a little bit longer before forcing yourself on someone? I think I'd masterbate if that was the penalty.

I think the fact that they are willing to force themselves onto a child is evidence enough they do not possess the power of rational thought. Even if they did, they obviously don't have the willpower.

I think I'd masterbate if that was the penalty.

Hopefully people would masturbate in place of any act that forces or controls another person even if there was no penalty. Conscience is a good enough peace keeper for good people.

While I can understand your justification, I can't help but point out that you assume all adults have experienced sex. That's certainly not always the case. Either way, I can't manage to turn over in my head which is worse, knowing what's happening through everything, or not understanding. If you don't understand, there's tons of confusion about what just happened and what it meant. If you do understand what just happened there's less confusion about the thing itself and more confusion (and in some cases, more guilt) about why it happened and what the victim failed to do to prevent it. A child doesn't have to toil over what they could have done, but they do have to toil over the meaning of it all. It's a case of equal but different (with respect to the emotional dammage which is more lasting).


OK -not all adults have had sex, but the majority have at least seen it on tv or know of it. Most.

I think that crimes against children are the worst crimes possible. Rape of a child is truely dispicable. There is a 7 year old girl in our town that was raped over and over by her moms boyfriend. Her genitals were torn and he sewed them back together with fishing line and a needle. She spent weeks in the hospital and her physical wounds healed. I doubt that her emotional scars will ever heal.....
Having said all of this- this is what I think- I think that rape, murder, molestation,harm to a child should be punished by public torture, followed by public execution. Maybe if criminals saw what would happen to them if they prey on innocent children, then they might think twice. I live is the USA btw. What do you think?

Biblically speaking, that is the correct way to punish such crimes. Think about the effect it would have on those who may consider it in the future?

If every speeder was shot and or tortured on live TV, I would not speed.

Hopefully people would masturbate in place of any act that forces or controls another person even if there was no penalty. Conscience is a good enough peace keeper for good people.

Rapists arent good people. They are selfish scum.

Biblically speaking, that is the correct way to punish such crimes. Think about the effect it would have on those who may consider it in the future?

If every speeder was shot and or tortured on live TV, I would not speed.

THANK YOU!

I am of the opinion that one should always wash ones hands after chopping chillies...especially if you are a bloke and need a piss....

I am of the opinion that one should always wash ones hands after chopping chillies...especially if you are a bloke and need a piss....


LMAO.....i needed a good laugh

people who rap children should be punished in way to make them never do it again. when i say this i mean that they should have to go through the same pain as the child they raped went through. why should we throw them in prison for a while and then let them go. imidiate action is needed to supress these people and to make sure they never do anything like it again.

...I do think that all rapists should be tortured and raped themselves...

Ok...I usually just read the discussions at this board and don't participate myself, but this time I just have to ask: who's going to rape the rapists? And who's going to rape the people who raped the rapists? (Afterall, they've become rapists now too.) And who's going to rape them? Do you plan to stick all rapists into one cell and let them rape each other? What if they refuse? If you force them to rape each other, aren't you just as guilty as they are? Do you get punished then too?

And what if one of these "rapists" turns out to have been wrongfully convicted? How do you plan to heal this person, who by this time has been raped and tortured over and over again, by law, condoned by the government that is supposed to protect him? Do you convict all the prison guards who allowed this innocent person to be raped? Do you convict the judge who did the sentencing?

Ok...I usually just read the discussions at this board and don't participate myself, but this time I just have to ask: who's going to rape the rapists? And who's going to rape the people who raped the rapists? (Afterall, they've become rapists now too.) And who's going to rape them? Do you plan to stick all rapists into one cell and let them rape each other? What if they refuse? If you force them to rape each other, aren't you just as guilty as they are? Do you get punished then too?

And what if one of these "rapists" turns out to have been wrongfully convicted? How do you plan to heal this person, who by this time has been raped and tortured over and over again, by law, condoned by the government that is supposed to protect him? Do you convict all the prison guards who allowed this innocent person to be raped? Do you convict the judge who did the sentencing?
Simple :-P you just have cases of "justified raping" :-P (sorry being silly)

Ok...I usually just read the discussions at this board and don't participate myself, but this time I just have to ask: who's going to rape the rapists? And who's going to rape the people who raped the rapists? (Afterall, they've become rapists now too.) And who's going to rape them? Do you plan to stick all rapists into one cell and let them rape each other? What if they refuse? If you force them to rape each other, aren't you just as guilty as they are? Do you get punished then too?

And what if one of these "rapists" turns out to have been wrongfully convicted? How do you plan to heal this person, who by this time has been raped and tortured over and over again, by law, condoned by the government that is supposed to protect him? Do you convict all the prison guards who allowed this innocent person to be raped? Do you convict the judge who did the sentencing?

Well Its not a perfect world so I dont have all those answers. Prisons are full of people who may not be guilty. I dont think we could ever right that wrong. Taking an innocent persons freedom is tragic.
Who says they have to be raped by a person? That would be part of the torture- they could use a stick or staff or billy club or something. Some rapists have even used inanimate objects on their victims.

Hey Deacon- while youre bringing God into this- ever heard of stoning someone to death? I'm sure I read that somewhere in the Bible. And your idea of whats sick and what some of us on here think may differ. Like I said- a horny grown man who forces his penis inside that of a child and causes his or her genitalia to rip and be so unimaginablly painful is a hell of a lot sicker than publically beating the very same man for that crime.

Oh good. The bible.

Well then I can tell you exactly the punishment for rape:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

I think we are a little more hard headed now, let's see what else God says about rape shall we?

Deuteronomy 22:23-24

23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

Ah, there's the stoning you were talking about, but apparently the victim gets it too. Makes sense now. But I'm sure there is more in the mosaic law.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24

10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

So it seems in certain cases God even approves of rape, providing you marry the woman - after a respectful period of course. Good old God. In fact sometimes he even wants it shared out amongst the troops.

Judges 5;30

30 Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?

And God doesn't seem to care much for innocent children either.

Isaiah 13:15-18

[15] Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
[16] Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
[17] Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
[18] Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.

And there I was just before, thinking that capital punishment instead of torture was the way to go child rapists - because I think publically torturing people with drills and knives is barbaric and sick, and I want no part of a society that does it. But then you reminded me to read the bible because of "stoning" to death. Good job. You have opened my eyes to the truth.

Of course we can always still just go with your theory that two wrongs make a right.

Hey Deacon- while youre bringing God into this- ever heard of stoning someone to death? I'm sure I read that somewhere in the Bible. And your idea of whats sick and what some of us on here think may differ. Like I said- a horny grown man who forces his penis inside that of a child and causes his or her genitalia to rip and be so unimaginablly painful is a hell of a lot sicker than publically beating the very same man for that crime.

Yeah, stone throwing, hmmm what about "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

hands up who here has never sinned.


i'm waiting



oh thats right we all have, which means that none of us can pass judgment on another.

Hey, I know you.

Oh good. The bible.

Well then I can tell you exactly the punishment for rape:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.[B]

I think we are a little more hard headed now, let's see what else God says about rape shall we?

Deuteronomy 22:23-24

23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

Ah, there's the stoning you were talking about, but apparently the victim gets it too. Makes sense now. But I'm sure there is more in the mosaic law.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24

10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

So it seems in certain cases God even approves of rape, providing you marry the woman - after a respectful period of course. Good old God. In fact sometimes he even wants it shared out amongst the troops.

[B] Judges 5;30

30 Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?

And God doesn't seem to care much for innocent children either.

Isaiah 13:15-18

[15] Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
[16] Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
[17] Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
[18] Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.

And there I was just before, thinking that capital punishment instead of torture was the way to go child rapists - because I think publically torturing people with drills and knives is barbaric and sick, and I want no part of a society that does it. But then you reminded me to read the bible because of "stoning" to death. Good job. You have opened my eyes to the truth.

Of course we can always still just go with your theory that two wrongs make a right.

1st of all- YOU brought the bible into this, so my reference to the Bible was in reply to your comment and I was being sarcastic. And I see youre one of those who has to go overboard and try to make yourself look super-intelligent. Youve made no points with your copy and paste job. People were also put to death for eating pork back then, but you dont see people being struck down for having pancakes and sausage in the IHOP do you?

Yeah, stone throwing, hmmm what about "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"hands up who here has never sinned.
i'm waiting

oh thats right we all have, which means that none of us can pass judgment on another.

Precisley why God asks us to step away from politics, nothing less than one sinner passing judgement upon another. That is fake laws that mean shit to God and any real person. If anyone ever wonders why people rebel its kind of hard not to when the teapot is calling the kettle black, isn't it ironic?

Hey, I know you.


yup yup you do :)

1st of all- YOU brought the bible into this, so my reference to the Bible was in reply to your comment and I was being sarcastic. And I see youre one of those who has to go overboard and try to make yourself look super-intelligent. Youve made no points with your copy and paste job. People were also put to death for eating pork back then, but you dont see people being struck down for having pancakes and sausage in the IHOP do you?

And where were they put to death for eating pork?

Rubbish. God just will come and put it to an end eventually, that's all.

And I never mentioned the bible until you did. Not once.

Whatever else I don't approve of government sanctioned torture in any way shape or form. It's sick and disgusting. If you actually believe in what you are saying you are no better than a child rapist yourself. Two wrongs don't make a right.

And where were they put to death for eating pork?

Rubbish. God just will come and put it to an end eventually, that's all.

And I never mentioned the bible until you did. Not once.

Whatever else I don't approve of government sanctioned torture in any way shape or form. It's sick and disgusting. If you actually believe in what you are saying you are no better than a child rapist yourself. Two wrongs don't make a right.

About the pork? Youre such a Bible scholar- look it up yourself. You are mistaken about who mentioned the Bible. post #53 by you is where you said something about Jesus. You must have me mixed up with someone else. I only mentioned the Bible in reply to your comment. So yes-you did in fact mention it before I did.

About the pork? Youre such a Bible scholar- look it up yourself. You are mistaken about who mentioned the Bible. post #53 by you is where you said something about Jesus. You must have me mixed up with someone else. I only mentioned the Bible in reply to your comment. So yes-you did in fact mention it before I did.

Er yes you did mention the bible first. Dave mentioned god first, but you mentioned the bible first.

Read back a bit and also see the difference between god and the bible.

HAH!! Socialist Dictionaries!!! I hate Socialist Dictionaries!!!

How dare Webster spread his socialist propaganda through established vocabulary!!

Er yes you did mention the bible first. Dave mentioned god first, but you mentioned the bible first.

Read back a bit and also see the difference between god and the bible.

Oh good grief! Bible/God...the point is- I didnt mention religion at all until he did -thats what I'm saying.

About the pork? Youre such a Bible scholar- look it up yourself. You are mistaken about who mentioned the Bible. post #53 by you is where you said something about Jesus. You must have me mixed up with someone else. I only mentioned the Bible in reply to your comment. So yes-you did in fact mention it before I did.

I know what the bible says about pork, I don't have to look it up. And you don't get put to death for eating it. Not at all.

I mentioned jesus sarcastically, not the bible. You are the one who brought up the bible because it had "stoning to death". Try to follow the plot.

And if, in fact, you believe what you are saying, I reiterate my point, you are no better than those people you want to torture. Especially since you would find sexual gratification in it.

HAH!! Socialist Dictionaries!!! I hate Socialist Dictionaries!!!

How dare Webster spread his socialist propaganda through established vocabulary!!

Our Words Shall Turn You All Into Pinko Commie Scum

MWAHAHAHAHAHA



ahem, so back on topic...

yeah i knew what you probably meant, i just wanted to clear it up. but his point that he made still stands.

Our Words Shall Turn You All Into Pinko Commie Scum

MWAHAHAHAHAHA



ahem, so back on topic...

yeah i knew what you probably meant, i just wanted to clear it up. but his point that he made still stands.

Dictionaries are pure evil. They twist the meaning of words to their own socialist puposes. They should be banned.

I think that crimes against children are the worst crimes possible. Rape of a child is truely dispicable. There is a 7 year old girl in our town that was raped over and over by her moms boyfriend. Her genitals were torn and he sewed them back together with fishing line and a needle. She spent weeks in the hospital and her physical wounds healed. I doubt that her emotional scars will ever heal.....
Having said all of this- this is what I think- I think that rape, murder, molestation,harm to a child should be punished by public torture, followed by public execution. Maybe if criminals saw what would happen to them if they prey on innocent children, then they might think twice. I live is the USA btw. What do you think?
Yup,
Tie him down let rats eat off his genitals then him bleed out.
I have four kids-two girls two boys.
If someone did something to them-they would never get to prison.
And I dont care about humane,civil,fair,right or wrong.
My opinion is based soley on emotion and I feel bad for your mother if yours isnt.

No way should you kill that rapist. For him, that is the easy way out, he should be made to spin a big wheel to generate electricty to power the country, this way he is giving back what he has taken from society. All criminals should be made to do that for life aslong as they have a bad enough crime!!!! Killing them costs alot these days, sometimes even more than a life imprisonment due to councilor, executioner etc costs.
Re-habilitation is non sense though. WHY DO THEY WASTE OUR MONEY RE-HABILITATING SCUM?!?!?!?! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

WHY DO THEY WASTE OUR MONEY RE-HABILITATING SCUM?!?!?!?! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
A round of applause from me, Speed Junkies :)

I know what the bible says about pork, I don't have to look it up. And you don't get put to death for eating it. Not at all.

I mentioned jesus sarcastically, not the bible. You are the one who brought up the bible because it had "stoning to death". Try to follow the plot.

And if, in fact, you believe what you are saying, I reiterate my point, you are no better than those people you want to torture. Especially since you would find sexual gratification in it.


what the f$#@ are you talking about saying i would find sexual gratification in it??????? Are you on drugs?? Ive done nothing but state my hatred for people who commit sex crimes....you follow the damn plot you idiot.

No and that will always be the weak point in my argument, I know that. But as the victim of extremely serious bullying when I was younger (Multiple extreme physical and verbal assault, death threats, nearly all of which I was advised to get legal advice on) I can appreciate some of what people have gone through.Sorry, bullying and child sexual abuse are two entirely different things. As bad as it may have been for you, you were capable of comprehending what happened. A young child has no idea what's happening.

And can somebody tell me why it's more despiccable to overpower and rape a child than it is to overpower and rape an adult? As I see it, the crime is just as ugly. It's taking advantage of another's less-developed ability to resist. Whether someone is a minor or not doesn't necessarily change the dammage done. Picking on someone less adept that yourself should be more severely punished. I am 100% sure that I would cope with being raped one hell of a lot better than a child would. My psyche is developed, I have had sex. I understand what is going on and that it will end. (Even if you have not had sex, as an adult you have at least an intellectual idea of what is going on) I also have a much better chance of fighting back effectively. Just on those basic points surely you can see a difference between a sexual attack on an adult and a child?

Hopefully people would masturbate in place of any act that forces or controls another person even if there was no penalty. Conscience is a good enough peace keeper for good people. wanna buy a bridge?

I say give them to the family. Anyone who hurts my children had better hope that they are arrested before I or my family get hold of them. Even after they are in gaol it's not too hard to get to them. Even easier in some cases...

Sorry, bullying and child sexual abuse are two entirely different things. As bad as it may have been for you, you were capable of comprehending what happened. A young child has no idea what's happening...

My point was that, as stated in the example, the girl couldn't go to anyone for help because it would have only made things worse. I was in the same position, which is why i stated i can understand SOME of what they went through. The thing is also, yes i was able to comprehend what was happening, but like the child in question, i had no idea WHY it was happening. Other than that i agree the two matters are seperate, and what the girl went through is a hell of a lot worse than me, but i was using my example to show that effects of it can be similar.