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Don't look at the poll results before voting for an accurate poll!


Yes, it's possible and it's in the future. No link to you proof-demanders...sorry. But there's a questionable question at hand.

Would there be too much of one gender?

So I've thought up this poll in order to get a glimpse as to what the future holds.


(btw, please consider the future and what events might take place...)

*marks for possible SF topic*

You could arrange your ideal family instead of relying on chance. But I'm sure it would inevitably result in some bad bad things.

I knwot his is true, mainly in that one can roughly tell which sperm has X or Y chromosomes, X being heavier since it's roughly twice as long. When mixed around, the heavier sperm will go to the bottom of a fluid, and the lighter ones will move upwards, to put it simply. I think it is an abhorrent process, as nature put in her own ways of deciding the sex of offspring. There should be a roughly equal number of each. I am especially afraid of what will happen in China, as they are a little obsessive about male children there. Please, this is one of the worst offences a human can make. Do not choose the sex of your children.

I think if I had the choice, then I would probably choose a girl, since my fathers side hasn't had a girl in several generations... but I don't think I want to have that choice...

:mad: We can't play God. The gender of a baby is for Him to decide.

I knwot his is true, mainly in that one can roughly tell which sperm has X or Y chromosomes, X being heavier since it's roughly twice as long. When mixed around, the heavier sperm will go to the bottom of a fluid, and the lighter ones will move upwards, to put it simply. I think it is an abhorrent process, as nature put in her own ways of deciding the sex of offspring. There should be a roughly equal number of each. I am especially afraid of what will happen in China, as they are a little obsessive about male children there. Please, this is one of the worst offences a human can make. Do not choose the sex of your children.
Agreed, China, with a population of 1 billion people (a good 1/6 of the population) would likely have over 50% males. Think about how that throws off the global male:female ration of a close 1:1 to perhaps 2:1.

Then again, other areas of the world might see women as increasingly dominant people...and would pick them as their offspring.

Argh....damn cultures!

Wow, all girls so far.

I didn't vote in the poll, since I'm not planning on having kids.

However, my thoughts on the issue are basically that it is dangerous if done on a wide scale. According to some American polls, fathers prefer sons by a 3 to 1 margin, mothers are split even between sons and daughters. Seeing as how more fathers than mothers are dominant in households, this is setting up for a dangerous proportion of male to female, and population decrease. And obviously it is even more dangerously skewed in China (although population decrease isn't a problem there :p).

However, I don't think it will become a wide scale problem. A fairly large percentage of people I'd guess wouldn't even want to know. My mother refused an ultrasound because she wanted to be surprised by my gender when born, the whole "It's a boy!" thing.

As it is, men tend to die faster than women anyhow (I believe life expectansy is around 4 years longer for women). It balances out.

As it is, men tend to die faster than women anyhow (I believe life expectansy is around 4 years longer for women). It balances out.
Wasn't that because of the huge amounts of stress given to the dominant males in the 20th century?

Heh, back in the 20th century...as if I never spent the first 10 years of my life there in that hell hole.

If I had the option (and it was necessary to choose rather than relying on chance) i'd have a male for my first, and a female for my second.

I guess I would kind of want to have a daughter, but I wouldn't want to choose the gender of my child. I think that's horrible.

Also, yes, the morons in China would have all guys, they already often abort female fetuses, and leave newborn daughters out to die. The fools don't realize that their precious sons won't have anyone to marry.

Feamles are idiots and don't know what's good for them, so I'd want a son, that's at least 2/3 as smart as me.

I guess I would kind of want to have a daughter, but I wouldn't want to choose the gender of my child. I think that's horrible.

Also, yes, the morons in China would have all guys, they already often abort female fetuses, and leave newborn daughters out to die. The fools don't realize that their precious sons won't have anyone to marry.

Very mature of you to refer to all of China as morons.

Feamles are idiots and don't know what's good for them, so I'd want a son, that's at least 2/3 as smart as me.

Yeah, well good luck getting the opportunity to have children with an attitude like that :p

now are we talking you can choose the sex of your baby in a lab before conception

or you can choose the sex of your baby the way they do in china?

Does anyone remember the movie Gattica?
where they choose the gender of the babies. Next, they are going to genetically engineer children, then we will end up killing ourselves out, because the "Normal" people (or we can call them Us) will be killed by the superior people, I do not want this to happen

Does anyone remember the movie Gattica?
where they choose the gender of the babies. Next, they are going to genetically engineer children, then we will end up killing ourselves out, because the "Normal" people (or we can call them Us) will be killed by the superior people, I do not want this to happen
My teacher was talking about showing us the movie this year, and how last year he got in trouble for it because of the supposed "sex" scence...in which he described as two people facing opposite ways covered up.

:mad: We can't play God.

The child of a builder is allowed to play with lego, the child of a truckie can play with toy cars.
Why shouldn't a child of God play at being God?

Besides, a nice gender imbalance is a good thing. Nations that have too many boys, eg India and China, are going to have to grow up and start valuing their daughters.
In the West, the massive imbalance directly after the world wars led to the social changes which triggered the sexual revolution, as the old rules were swept aside to due to the shortage of potential husbands.

The ideal for the long term future is the women outnumber men by a massive ratio. Then women will control voting and other govt matters, and guys will be too happy to care.

My teacher was talking about showing us the movie this year, and how last year he got in trouble for it because of the supposed "sex" scence...in which he described as two people facing opposite ways covered up.

lol, that film was on english exams nationwide for us last year. As well as shakespeare in love, which has numerous naughty scenes.

My teacher was talking about showing us the movie this year, and how last year he got in trouble for it because of the supposed "sex" scence...in which he described as two people facing opposite ways covered up.
Rent it, it's a good movie

Yes it's possible, I believe it's possible right now if you wanted it. I don't think I'd want to do it, but there's nothing *wrong* with it.

If parents really badly wanted a certain gender, than let them have it. Worldwide the distribution will work out.

Must be quite sucky that if you grew up knowing that your parents PURPOSELY wanted you to be a boy or a girl. And what if he felt different? Time for a sex change. :D

I prefer to leave it to chance. It's more exciting that way.

But I guess it can have its benefits, especially I know some famillies, where they've been so wanting to get a boy. They finally gotten a boy on their 5th try. :D Big family though. Lucky the parents are loaded to support 5 kids comfortably.
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ACtually.. concerning China, why they prefer males to females, its because females in a way doesn't carry the family, or the familiy name. Plus, culturally, daughters upon marriage are 'moving' out of the family to another surname.

Usually the brunt for the 'one child' laws is usually felt at the villagers level. Where having a son, he could work the farm and help the family business. Where a daughter is considered a loss, because she wouldn't help at the mines or the farm, and when she's married, she'll belong to the other family and work for them instead.

The ideal for the long term future is the women outnumber men by a massive ratio. Then women will control voting and other govt matters, and guys will be too happy to care.

Umm... no thank you. If men wanted to be cast aside, we wouldn't have ruled civilization for the past 7,000 years.

Very mature of you to refer to all of China as morons.

I wasn't referring to all of China as morons. I said "the morons in China." By this, I meant those, and there is a significant number of them, who abort their female fetuses and/or leave female infants out to die because they don't value daughters. And don't even try to justify such behavior as "difference in culture." It's moronic and it's disgusting. And if would-be parents do that, in my opinion, they are morons and do not deserve to be parents. Obviously not everyone in China is like that, but the problem is still very widespread.

I do find it hilariously ironic though that in killing all their daughters, they inadvertantly screw over their sons. Poor sons, it's not their fault.

Umm... no thank you. If men wanted to be cast aside, we wouldn't have ruled civilization for the past 7,000 years.

I wouldn't there being far more women than men. Women tend not to feel the need to be "macho," and so I think they could probably govern better. Besides, I would have less competition finding someone.

I wasn't referring to all of China as morons. I said "the morons in China." By this, I meant those, and there is a significant number of them, who abort their female fetuses and/or leave female infants out to die because they don't value daughters. And don't even try to justify such behavior as "difference in culture." It's moronic and it's disgusting. And if would-be parents do that, in my opinion, they are morons and do not deserve to be parents. Obviously not everyone in China is like that, but the problem is still very widespread.

I do find it hilariously ironic though that in killing all their daughters, they inadvertantly screw over their sons. Poor sons, it's not their fault.

Just how are they screwing over their sons? I hope your answer isn't "They won't have anyone to marry!".

I wouldn't there being far more women than men. Women tend not to feel the need to be "macho," and so I think they could probably govern better.

Women come with a whole new set of problems.



Besides, I would have less competition finding someone.

Women nowadays already have a "We don't need men!" mindset about them. Trust me, if they ruled the world, that attitude would skyrocket. They would probably just have us all killed eventually (LoL, am I speculating or what?).

Yeah, you really are speculating. I think you're greatly exaggerating the "we don't need men!" mindset, as I live in the most liberal area of the nation and I haven't observed it at all, really. I think politics will eventually be dominated by women anyway, just from observing the disparity of interest in politics between women and men in my classes. They also seem generally more logical in their thinking on the subject (I know this goes against the traditional view, but whatever) and less of their arguments rest on "just because" type statements.


Most men in China will find wives, however, there will be an unlucky few who don't. And this number, until they value their daughters more, will grow ever so slightly with each generation. It is simply not healthy for a society to have such an enormous difference in numbers of men and women. Nature has it set so that it turns out about 50:50, and I think it's not good to screw with that. There's probably a number of problems that China's situation will cause, but I'm too tired/lazy to look it up right now.

I wasn't referring to all of China as morons. I said "the morons in China." By this, I meant those, and there is a significant number of them, who abort their female fetuses and/or leave female infants out to die because they don't value daughters. And don't even try to justify such behavior as "difference in culture." It's moronic and it's disgusting. And if would-be parents do that, in my opinion, they are morons and do not deserve to be parents. Obviously not everyone in China is like that, but the problem is still very widespread.

I do find it hilariously ironic though that in killing all their daughters, they inadvertantly screw over their sons. Poor sons, it's not their fault.
Read what Greedy Pig wrote about this. It's not that they wouldn't value a daughter but that they can't afford it. It's not moronic, it's surviving.

Yeah, you really are speculating. I think you're greatly exaggerating the "we don't need men!" mindset, as I live in the most liberal area of the nation and I haven't observed it at all, really. I think politics will eventually be dominated by women anyway, just from observing the disparity of interest in politics between women and men in my classes. They also seem generally more logical in their thinking on the subject (I know this goes against the traditional view, but whatever) and less of their arguments rest on "just because" type statements.

But women are not keen to take that power. (in general, of course some are)

I refuse to vote, simply because I beleive this is a decision that should not be placed in my hands.

Wait...if men "rule" most societies because there's more of them...then in maternal...

...quick, name some places women rule :D

I refuse to vote, simply because I beleive this is a decision that should not be placed in my hands.

Wait...if men "rule" most societies because there's more of them...then in maternal...

...quick, name some places women rule :D

India and Indonesia, I think.

India and Indonesia, I think.

India...ehh...not to into middle eastern gals.

Indonesia...hmmm...well, from what I've seen, some good but a lot of bad...too much make up >_>...

Ghah, what kinda choices are these?! :D

Finland


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and there are more women in the country...

Not Indonesia anymore though. She got voted out.

Phillipines I think. Arroyo Macapagal.

No "I don't care if my baby is a boy or girl"?

No "I don't care if my baby is a boy or girl"?
I just hope it's one of those options ;)

Such ways already exist: temperature and timing. My brother and sister and I were all born to planned gender.

Such ways already exist: temperature and timing. My brother and sister and I were all born to planned gender.
Yeah, if you're young when you get pregnant, the first is more likely to be a boy... :D

naah, I know what you mean. One can always try, but I don't think those methods are very trustworthy.

I cant have children but I know that I really want a girl. I dont think that you should be able to choose the sex of your child, imagine in relations and cultures where boys are preferred-they would all choose boys. I remember in London at one stage they prevented doctors from telling parents the sex of children as they found that girls were being aborted.

Seeing how much stress daughters can cause from the age of 12+, I think I would choose a male. However, judging from my aunt's experiences of having two males (she only started seeing a psychiatrist after she'd had them for a while, anyway), I wouldn't have a second male.

That said, I will never ever have children at all. But that's what I'd choose if the situation were forced on me for some retarded reason or another.

This is already possible, to a degree, using a centrifuge to separate male and female sperm. The heavier sperm are the ones coded for the male sex. Artificial insemination is then performed using only the heavier sperm.

As to whether there will be a preponderance of one sex or the other when sex-choice becomes a reality, these things have a way of evening out over time. There's even a name in statistics for the process, but I've forgotten it.

The Empire of Presidency knows that other countrys have been selecting the sex of children for decades. The Empire of Presidency is looking forward to in the future impilmenting an eugenics program! Other countries have tried, but none have suceeded like The Empire of Presidency will!

But women are not keen to take that power. (in general, of course some are)

You and I must have very different experiences with women.

Read what Greedy Pig wrote about this. It's not that they wouldn't value a daughter but that they can't afford it. It's not moronic, it's surviving.


I did. I still find the attitude that it's ok to leave newborn children out to die just because they're girls abhorrent, and from a societal standpoint, in the very long run, moronic.

I would find it easier to understand a male, being one myself, and therefore easier to be a role model and teacher to the child.

According to poll (I realize that the poll does not represent the actual numbers of the future, but meh)

Girls: 3,120,000,000
Boys: 2,880,000,000

Considering the population REMAINS at 6 billion

I wouldn't want to choose the sex of my baby, so I flipped a coin to vote. I ended up with female. I feel like basic biological functions don't need to be science-ified, and I'd defnitely prefer to get my baby the natural way. That's also a main reason why I wouldn't want to adopt - I really want to go through pregnancy. If for some reason I become infertile I guess it's hard cheese for me and then sure, I'd adopt, but mostly I just love the natural process. Anyway, the poll numbers look pretty close right now.

Not Indonesia anymore though. She got voted out.

Phillipines I think. Arroyo Macapagal.

I'll take the Phillipines :D

I chose male, because I'm all for anything that starts to decrease population size (there are WAY TOO MANY people), and if there are fewer women to get pregnant, it's better. And if there are fewer of us around, men might start to respect women more because they have more competition and they'll realise they'll only get us if they stop being crude and chauvinistic...maybe. I think I have too much hope.
Edit: I suddenly realise how disrespectful I sound by saying that. I hate how making a statement about something often casts you as a hypocrite. Bah. Such is life.

I would chose a son. As horrible as it might sound, I want my children to be successful...and that's the world we live in. Granted in reality I want both a son and a daughter but if I could only pick one...

I did. I still find the attitude that it's ok to leave newborn children out to die just because they're girls abhorrent, and from a societal standpoint, in the very long run, moronic.

We all abhore the notion of killing children just because it isn't of the same sex. It's very very very sad, and 'moronic'. I'm sure we all wish this wasn't so, but such is life if you were born into poverty and a poor nation.

But these chinese aren't taking the same societal point of view as us. For them, if you have a female child, it's better not having any child at all because your going to lose her, eventually. (Especially probably being the only girl in a village, unless she marries a rich guy, which many fathers actually sell their daughters to people in the city)

And China is unfortunately like most 2nd and 3rd world countries. If your poor and old, nobodies going to feed you, because the government can't feed you. It's either you work, your children work for you, or you starve. Which is very sad.

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Anyway, concerning children. I would like to have 1 son, 1 daughter, then I'll have the best (& worse) of both worlds.

LOL, Baby sex!

LOL, Roach!

I would chose a son. As horrible as it might sound, I want my children to be successful...and that's the world we live in. Granted in reality I want both a son and a daughter but if I could only pick one...
My jaw just dropped 4 inches.
So I can never be successful? like our female president?
alright I'll just stay at home from now on and contribute my life to support my boyfriend. :(

You and I must have very different experiences with women.
I think we most certainly do, I'm a woman. ;)

If scientists ever find a way to consistently choose the gender of babies, I hope every gender-chosen baby grows up to be a homosexual. Just to teach scientists not to screw with mother nature. Hehehe.

If scientists ever find a way to consistently choose the gender of babies, I hope every gender-chosen baby grows up to be a homosexual. Just to teach scientists not to screw with mother nature. Hehehe.
:D a generation of homosexuals.

:D a generation of homosexuals.

Well, no. Not likely. Because chances are, it'll be an elective and expensive procedure that health insurance won't cover. So chances are, only the rich will be able to afford it. So you'll have a lot more homosexuals, but hardly an entire generation. But enough. They can call it, The Pink Generation. :D

If you can choose the genes that decide that gender of the baby, does that mean we could choose to only use genes that made people intelligent?
And then would you? Or do you think intelligence only comes from how you were raised?

Um.. determining the sex of a baby is to play around with the Y and X chromosomes, which I would think (I'm not biologist thought), would be easier to manipulate then finding the genes for 'intelligence'.

Hmm. Intelligent genes, don't know if we can actually believe in it 100%, that genes define a person. I believe it's partially to do with upbringing and exposure.

Like I know many people who aren't modestly smart (stupid is too strong a word), not because their born that way, it's they just don't read, anything.

Jeeze its stuff like this that cause thousands of babys to die every year :rolleyes:

Its because of peoples fear of designer babies that we will never cure some of the worst illnesses because they outlaw everything that could lead to designer babies even if it means a couple can never have a baby because it keeps dieing of genetic illnesses :(

The ability to choose the gender of one's children would have disastrous conseqences. Think of all the femenists who would start chruning out girls in an attempt to win 'equal rights,' or fathers in the developing world who would order sons to carry on the family name! :eek:

I think we most certainly do, I'm a woman. ;)

Well, then you're quite different from most of the women I've met.

Well, then you're quite different from most of the women I've met.
That doesn't surprise me either :)

The ability to choose the gender of one's children would have disastrous conseqences. Think of all the femenists who would start chruning out girls in an attempt to win 'equal rights,' or fathers in the developing world who would order sons to carry on the family name! :eek:
in many places in the developing world they simply carry a baby to term and if it's female they kill it or allow it to die of exposure. personally, i would rather they get to choose before the baby is born.

and as for feminists populating the world with women, do you really think there are that many gay or single feminists who are going to be having babies, and who are going to choose to artificially select the gender of their baby? i say gay and single, because any case where a feminist is involved with a man is a case where the man will be a party to any child being produced...if the man wants a daughter, or is unable to stand up for randomization, then that's his problem and not the fault of the feminist alone.

:mad: We can't play God. The gender of a baby is for Him to decide.Havent read all posts, maybe someone else commented.. but..

If we have free will, as 'He' gave us, it IS our choice. If all is known and predestined, then 'He' already chose, and we are merely instruments of 'His' will, making it happen as it was planned.

if there are fewer women to get pregnant, it's better. And if there are fewer of us around, men might start to respect women more because they have more competition and they'll realise they'll only get us if they stop being crude and chauvinistic...maybe. I think I have too much hope. I think you do. Look at history. If there are less women 'available', you may be more valuable, not necessarily more respected. Competition will quickly lead to posessiveness, forms of ownership, and the ever-diminishing female populace would be reduced to breeding stock for those who can afford to keep them healthy. Ah, progress. ;)

Sigh. C'est la vie.