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Just play along for a moment.
If we all discovered that one religion was actually right...
Which one would you think that is?

Well, duh ... mine, of course!

I'd find out I was actually tripped on LSD-and god still don't exist.

Nah, I'm an agnostic. I wouldn't be suprised if Islam was the right religion.

My head says Islam because their heaven sounds awesome (72 virgins! w00t!) but my heart says Jedi. :cool:

Taoism, totally.

I reckon it would be a giggle if it was Satanism.

Most likely Hinduism, since they see all religions as pathways to enlightenment.

Christianity is right.

Now, does god give you a do over - if you get it wrong that is.

Now, does god give you a do over - if you get it wrong that is.
Yeah, I've heard that one, but I think you come back a Mormon.

Heaven with 72 virgins, that is called Hell. I would take 5 ladies who are skilled in bed over 72 that have never had never done it before, think how long it would take to teach them how to perform well...it is a good thing they spend forever up there.

Ralina: Some stand-up comic once said, "These guys believe that when they die, they'll have 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven. That ain't heaven - give me one dirty girl from Vegas!" :p

what do you mean if we discovered that one religion is actually right? it's out there man, science.. requires lots of faith (like string theory with its 11 dimensions and all for example), i know.. but still it's the way to go :)

you know if it came right down to it, i would not be suprised at all if atheism is the way to go, and at that nilism is the only true belief to have in the universe seeing as it is so big and nothing you can do will change anything on a grand scale.

I'll go with Buddhism. They recognize that there is a good chance that God doesn't exist. I think all of the religions would be better though if they just dropped the made-up stories and promoted themselves as philosophical movements

Just play along for a moment.
If we all discovered that one religion was actually right...
Which one would you think that is?

Last-Tuesdayism

Just play along for a moment.
If we all discovered that one religion was actually right...
Which one would you think that is?

Combustianism (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Combustianism).

Maltheism. It would only make sense that if there is a god it hates us all and toys with us for it's amusement.

I'll go with Christianity, seems like It'd be the least surprising if it was right.

Which one would you think that is?

Ill take the every one of them as right as the next in their own mind category alex.

Buddhism. Most definatly.

Hinduism.

Taoism or Buddhism

Buddhism and Taoism seem to make more sense.

id guess shinto
the idea that everything has a soul (of sorts) is very attractive to me.

The fellowship of the Almighty Crab.

Discordianism.

Being a Christian and all, I think that various people might get cross at me if I said anything else...but it might be amusing if one of the minor cults turned out to have the right of it.

at that nilism is the only true belief to have in the universe seeing as it is so big and nothing you can do will change anything on a grand scale.
I personally consider myself an existentialist and a nihilist, but as far as I am aware, both existentialism and nihilism are philosophies as opposed to religions.

I would originally have said Buddhism, but I reckon that the Christian religion would be the most likely candidate, and about half the world would convert to Buddhism upon hearing it.

This is assuming that we're not counting Atheism as a religion, otherwise it'd be that, since they'd be the ones most likely to lay out their proof in a way that few people could refute.

Mind you, the idea of Buddhist philosophy would continue to thrive even if the Theist aspect of another religion was proved correct. The Buddhists would just mold their idea of God around the correct one, methinks. And all the power to them. ^^

And wouldn't it be fun if the true religion turned out to be one deduced by some guy 200 years ago who died before he could tell anyone? Man... that'd be hilarious. Just imagine the look on the major religions' faces. Heeheehee...

Buddhism or Zoroastrianism.

Mormonism, however god himself is a Bhuddist. South Park's always right about these things.

I'd say every religion was, in its own way, correct. They all believe basically the same core values just through different mediums.

Mine, and at the same time all of them. Unitarian Universalism compares the interaction between the spiritual world and the physical one to light streaming in the windows of a church. The light comes in through all the windows, not just one.

Aside from that, I'd say Buddhism or non-fundamentalist Christianity.

I'd say every religion was, in its own way, correct. They all believe basically the same core values just through different mediums.


Wrong.
Judaism believes that it is OK to stone people to death.
Ditto christianity, with the addition of things like "it is a shame for a woman to speak in church" and of course all the tripe in the bible that festoons the arguments of morons against abortion and stem cell research and homosexuality.

And well... islam thinks you can go to heaven *for* killing people.

hmm, If Athiesm were real, I'd spend a lot more time getting away with awesome crimes.

hmm, If Athiesm were real, I'd spend a lot more time getting away with awesome crimes.



Congratulations. Best luck with those 'awesome crimes' and hope you can get away from the police and whatnot.

Congratulations. Best luck with those 'awesome crimes' and hope you can get away from the police and whatnot.

I mean if It were proved. As of now, no religion is provable or unprovable, so I'll just sit here quietly until they tell me what's really up.

First on the list of crimes is arsoning New Grenadas house...

If any relgion actually was right, I'm sure it would be Greek mythology.

HAIL ZEUS!

I mean if It were proved. As of now, no religion is provable or unprovable, so I'll just sit here quietly until they tell me what's really up.

First on the list of crimes is arsoning New Grenadas house...

You missed the point.
For your morality = religion spiel, you will be the first to be sacrificed to the Great Crab God once the religion of crab worship is proven right.

Just play along for a moment.
If we all discovered that one religion was actually right...
Which one would you think that is?


Satanism of course. ;)

I'd reference The Hitchhikers Guide and the correctness would disappear in a puff of logic.

I doubt that chiristianity is the right one,

ISLAM IS THE RIGHT ONE FOR A SIMPLE REASON, and that is there is one god, we realy dont have the son of god, and the god himself and the holy martomony and all thaT STUFF.

AND WE ALSO GO 30 DAYS WITHOUT FOOD AND WATER FOR THE MUCH OF THE DAY now how do you like that.

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Theism, of course. Stupid question.

Yup, I'm going to have to back up most of the people on this thread. "Mine" is indeed the answer I'm sticking with.

I doubt that chiristianity is the right one,

ISLAM IS THE RIGHT ONE FOR A SIMPLE REASON, and that is there is one god, we realy dont have the son of god, and the god himself and the holy martomony and all thaT STUFF.

AND WE ALSO GO 30 DAYS WITHOUT FOOD AND WATER FOR THE MUCH OF THE DAY now how do you like that.

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The Association for Bush and dead Bush,
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Tell me should you return to this forum again, if allah is all powerful and mighty and greater than all, then no works (not even fasting for 30 days), should match up to his power and get you to heaven.

If one religion was right, I would put my money on Buddhism.

As a christian we believe it is by Gods grace that we are saved, for no body's works could save us but God himself.

If one religion was right, I would put my money on Buddhism.

What is so good about buddism?

They go and blow all their money on the temples by covering them in Gold.

Have you seen how poor buddist countries are?

They Have enough temples, at least some common sense should show that there should be some moderation between: the number of temples built and what is spent on the people.

What is so good about buddism?

They go and blow all their money on the temples by covering them in Gold.

Have you seen how poor buddist countries are?

They Have enough temples, at least some common sense should show that there should be some moderation between: the number of temples built and what is spent on the people.

That's true. They are a bunch of lazy self centred bastards.

What is so good about buddism?

They go and blow all their money on the temples by covering them in Gold.

Have you seen how poor buddist countries are?

They Have enough temples, at least some common sense should show that there should be some moderation between: the number of temples built and what is spent on the people.


Buddhists indeed do not worship money, they destroy it all by building temples without practical purpose.

Buddhism is an internal religion, it is for that reason not idolatry like christianity or judaism or islam.

Also, i would like you to find out what percent of the GDP of many "buddhist countries" is spent on temples versus other things.

You may find that the economic woes of those countries are certainly not caused by 'temple building.'

For christ's sake, dont be a fool.

can't go wrong with a guess of buddhism

ill guess shintoism for shits and giggles

Buddhists indeed do not worship money, they destroy it all by building temples without practical purpose.

Buddhism is an internal religion, it is for that reason not idolatry like christianity or judaism or islam.

How is christianity idolitary?

Spending money on gold plating the temples is not sensible - ( it is not sensible on the scale it is done).

There are literally 1000's of temples scattered throughout the countryside.

The peoples houses and living conditions are shocking!!!!

Also, i would like you to find out what percent of the GDP of many "buddhist countries" is spent on temples versus other things.

You may find that the economic woes of those countries are certainly not caused by 'temple building.'

For christ's sake, dont be a fool.

I dont mean the country is poor, i mean the people are poor.

"His Holiness the fourteenth Dalai Lama of compassion said 'The essence of Buddhism can be expressed in two sentences: You must help others. If you can't help them, you shouldn't hurt them.'"

- my yoga teacher, a couple of times in class

I believe the correct answer is absynthe

I dont mean the country is poor, i mean the people are poor.
so? its buddhism...

I dont mean the country is poor, i mean the people are poor.



The countries are poor, they always have been. It is a matter of geography.


You may want to read a book called "Guns, Germs, and Steel"

It won the pulitzer prize a few years ago and very lucidly breaks down many of the historic causes of poverty around the world.

Additionally, if you wish to argue that building temples impoverishes populations then you need hard evidence that this is the case.
That evidence is easy to come by, just find out the country you're talking about's (you never mentioned a real country, mind you) GDP and then get figures on the annual spending to build and maintain such temples.

How is christianity idolitary?

Spending money on gold plating the temples is not sensible - ( it is not sensible on the scale it is done).

There are literally 1000's of temples scattered throughout the countryside.

The peoples houses and living conditions are shocking!!!!


Christianity worships several idols.

The first is obviously the idea of God.
Next in christianity would have to be the idea of Jesus.
Another integral idol for christians is the bible, and the idea that it is 'god's word.'

It is a great heap of idol worship.

Im trying to find out the countrys name right now, it was a particular one where smuggling firewood was illegal

Im trying to find out the countrys name right now, it was a particular one where smuggling firewood was illegal


That used to be illegal in christian europe when the wood being smuggled was taken from land that was "owned" by the church or other aristocrats.

Just out of curiosity, how many of you believe that Buddhism is a religion. Because Sidhartha Gautama, when he became the first Buddha, brought several beliefs over from Hinduism into Buddhism but deities and worship of them were not one of them, never mentions a God and that humans can become "awakened" on their own (humanism). All other religions say that humans need help from God and in Christianity Jesus, to get to a good place in the afterlife. Personally, even though I'm a Christian, I actually think it's one of the other religions.

The country is "Myanmar."

A lot of the Asian country's are LEDC's and are generally poor, but spending millions of dollars on gold plated temple does not help.

Buddhists indeed do not worship money, they destroy it all by building temples without practical purpose.

Buddhism is an internal religion, it is for that reason not idolatry like christianity or judaism or islam.

I never said buddists worship money, gold plating temples is so that they get a better afterlife - (or somthing like that)

Just out of curiosity, how many of you believe that Buddhism is a religion. Because Sidhartha Gautama, when he became the first Buddha, brought several beliefs over from Hinduism into Buddhism but deities and worship of them were not one of them, never mentions a God and that humans can become "awakened" on their own (humanism). All other religions say that humans need help from God and in Christianity Jesus, to get to a good place in the afterlife. Personally, even though I'm a Christian, I actually think it's one of the other religions.


Buddhism is an odd bird when put up next to judaism and its offshoots because there really are no central tenets to "All of buddhism."

Some buddhist believe in gods, some dont, some belive siddhartha gautama buddha was divine, some dont, some build shiny temples, some dont, some have icons of the buddha and others, some dont.

Personally I self identify as 'buddhist' but at the same time am an atheist.

In that sense, buddhism doesnt really always qualify as a 'religion', because a religion is quite specifically belief *in* a god or gods.

I never said buddists worship money, gold plating temples is so that they get a better afterlife - (or somthing like that)



Well, what you're talking about is as close to 'mainstream buddhism' as polygamists in northern az/southern utah is to 'mainstream christianity.'

I would wager that people in those locales have traditions of worship and tempe building that predate buddhism in their area.


It is also worth noting that buddhists dont believe in an afterlife. Many however, believe in reincarnation.

Well, what you're talking about is as close to 'mainstream buddhism' as polygamists in northern az/southern utah is to 'mainstream christianity.'

I would wager that people in those locales have traditions of worship and tempe building that predate buddhism in their area.


It is also worth noting that buddhists dont believe in an afterlife. Many however, believe in reincarnation.

Thats what I was confused about, wether buddists believe in reincarnation or not

Thats what I was confused about, wether buddists believe in reincarnation or not


Some do, some dont.

Again, there really isnt one big homogenous group of 'buddhists'

Well, duh ... mine, of course!

I was thinking the exact same thing!

thats kinda like existentialism....no certain set of rules, kinda just general leanings..more like a philosophy.

Follow the link and look at what the christians main beliefs are, and tell me what is idolotary about them.

http://www.cults.co.nz/pdfs/cult-beliefs.pdf

The main beliefs of Christianity compared with the cults Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Scientology and the New Age Movement.

Follow the link and look at what the christians main beliefs are, and tell me what is idolotary about them.

http://www.cults.co.nz/pdfs/cult-beliefs.pdf

The main beliefs of Christianity compared with the cults Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Scientology and the New Age Movement.


Again, your idols are:

the idea of God
the idea of Jesus
the bible
the idea that the bible is god's message to humanity

Christianity worships several idols.

The first is obviously the idea of God.
Next in christianity would have to be the idea of Jesus.
Another integral idol for christians is the bible, and the idea that it is 'god's word.'

It is a great heap of idol worship.

God is not an idol, Jesus is part of God - He is God in human form.
We do not worship the bible, when did you get that idea?

God is not an idol, Jesus is part of God - He is God in human form.
We do not worship the bible, when did you get that idea?


You dont worship the physical paper the bible is printed on, but you worship the idea that the message in it is god's message.

An idol need not be made of stone or gold or paper or what have you, an idea serves just as well.

An idol is an image of deity as object of worship; false god; object of excessive devotion.

If my God is not false then he is not an Idol. Which ends up as a matter of faith to who ever may believe or may not beleive.

You dont worship the physical paper the bible is printed on, but you worship the idea that the message in it is god's message.

An idol need not be made of stone or gold or paper or what have you, an idea serves just as well.

And how do christians worship the idea that the bible is Gods message?

And how do christians worship the idea that the bible is Gods message?



The first principle of the christian faith is that the bible is an accurate account of god's message. Everything else stems from that.

If you didnt believe that, you wouldnt have a basis for belief in anything else about god or jesus.


Whenever you worship something, it is your idol. Worship is an action which requires an idol as a target.

The first principle of the christian faith is that the bible is an accurate account of god's message. Everything else stems from that.

If you didnt believe that, you wouldnt have a basis for belief in anything else about god or jesus.


Whenever you worship something, it is your idol. Worship is an action which requires an idol as a target.

It is not idol worship because the God of the Universe is not an idol, he is God, anything that is a false god is an idol which he is not.

If my God is not real then why are miricales still performed today, healings, prophecies, some people even hear Gods voice audibly!

It is not idol worship because the God of the Universe is not an idol, he is God, anything that is a false god is an idol which he is not.

If my God is not real then why are miricales still performed today, healings, prophecies, some people even hear Gods voice audibly!



I'm not asking for the christian definiton of "idolatry" (ie, anything not christian is idolatry).

I'm telling you a general definition for it, a way it can be viewed objectively.

For christ's sake, dont be a fool!

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You claim there are christian miracles? Well, muslims claim there are muslim miracles, and hindus claim there are hindu miracles. Whoop-a-dee-doo.

In fact, UFO believers claim that UFO aliens visit earth regularly. Some even communicate with the aliens audibly!!!!!!

I'm not asking for the christian definiton of "idolatry" (ie, anything not christian is idolatry).

I'm telling you a general definition for it, a way it can be viewed objectively.

For christ's sake, dont be a fool!

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You claim there are christian miracles? Well, muslims claim there are muslim miracles, and hindus claim there are hindu miracles. Whoop-a-dee-doo.

In fact, UFO believers claim that UFO aliens visit earth regularly. Some even communicate with the aliens audibly!!!!!!

Do you think it is just coincidence that traumatised UFO victims suffer the same simptoms that people who say that they have had a demonic attack?

I'd say some form of atheism is true, though not necessarily the kind we think of. I don't believe in material monism, though.

Often miracles from hinduism are trickery - like what Sai Baba performs.

Do you think it is just coincidence that traumatised UFO victims suffer the same simptoms that people who say that they have had a demonic attack?



You mean they're both mentally unstable?. Yes. I do believe people in both cases are mentally unstable.

Often miracles from hinduism are trickery - like what Sai Baba performs.


You're aware arent you that there are 1,100,000,000 people in india, and that "sai baba" doesnt speak for all of them.

Do you think it is just coincidence that traumatised UFO victims suffer the same simptoms that people who say that they have had a demonic attack?

Yep they are both idiots.

Buddhism strikes me as the purest religion, nice and balanced. The Western religions, especially christianity are corrupted, churches in the middle ages added all the parts about hell being a permanent damnation, all the stuff about the cruicifixation etc. was added to control the population. Still today people twist and corrupt christianity to their own gains. Id guess it began as a philiosophy, a way of life and its been twisted out of recognition.

You go on about temples? Ever seen the vast amount of gigantic churches and monastries across Europe that took decades to build?

If another religion was "Right" Then I'm screwed!

Anywho, I think it's important to Have faith-Even having Faith in there not being faith, if that makes and sense, so even the Athiests dont get left out!

Yep they are both idiots.

Buddhism strikes me as the purest religion, nice and balanced. The Western religions, especially christianity are corrupted, churches in the middle ages added all the parts about hell being a permanent damnation, all the stuff about the cruicifixation etc. was added to control the population. Still today people twist and corrupt christianity to their own gains. Id guess it began as a philiosophy, a way of life and its been twisted out of recognition.

You go on about temples? Ever seen the vast amount of gigantic churches and monastries across Europe that took decades to build?


The distinction that I make between buddhism and taoism and other eastern 'religions' is that they are internal while western religions are external.

Any belief in god as a discreet entity or will is by definition externally oriented, and in my understanding the veneration of externality is the creation and worship of idols.


The best definition I have come up with for buddhism, as I understand it, is this:

Buddhism is the act of cleaning your own house.

Buddhism is the act of cleaning your own house.

Yes, but spiritually.

(I'm part of a remote Buddhist sect, just to make it clear I'm joking.)

In reality, Buddhism, I think, helps me find an inner peace. Very relaxing, as well as many other things that I cant use words to explain.

Yep they are both idiots.


You go on about temples? Ever seen the vast amount of gigantic churches and monastries across Europe that took decades to build?

it's not that its that they blow a ton of money on "Gold plating them,"

You're aware arent you that there are 1,100,000,000 people in india, and that "sai baba" doesnt speak for all of them.

there are many lwho can perform the same tricks as "sai baba" the tricks he uses are common.

There are literally 1000's of temples scattered throughout the countryside. There are literally millions (note for the mathematically disinclined: 1 million = 1000 thousand) of churches scattered thoughout this country alone (USA). Hell, there are at least 10 churches within 15 miles of my house in rural frickin' Iowa (with a polulation of maybe 2000 people).

Granted, they're not gold-plated, but i'd be willing to bet that the cost of 1 templed (gold-plated or not) is not more than the cost of 1000 churches. That sounds ridiculous to me.

The peoples houses and living conditions are shocking!!!!Just out of curiousity, have you ever been there? It's funny, I don't hear a lot about the 'shocking' living conditions in Buddhist regions (granted, I have never been there either, but I still have never heard this). Humble/modest, maybe; shocking, probably not.

Zoroastrianism, since its the basis for most of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, except far more logical.

There are literally millions (note for the mathematically disinclined: 1 million = 1000 thousand) of churches scattered thoughout this country alone (USA). Hell, there are at least 10 churches within 15 miles of my house in rural frickin' Iowa (with a polulation of maybe 2000 people).

Granted, they're not gold-plated, but i'd be willing to bet that the cost of 1 templed (gold-plated or not) is not more than the cost of 1000 churches. That sounds ridiculous to me.

Just out of curiousity, have you ever been there? It's funny, I don't hear a lot about the 'shocking' living conditions in Buddhist regions (granted, I have never been there either, but I still have never heard this). Humble/modest, maybe; shocking, probably not.

This particular one is "myannmar" and they are shocking compared to the temples which in a lot of instances are laiden in gold.

scientology

all hail alec baldwin!!

Deism, no doubt. Bad things happen in the world God must either not care about us while we are alive or be unable to do anything about them/ not exist.