NationStates Jolt Archive

Another Pentagon in the making?

(regarding the shift in the Pentagon towards the PNAC neocon agenda)

hehehe, we posted at the same time, see "drill and kill condi" please : )
but yeah she's bad news for peace, bad news for anyone living in an area that has resources US companies want.

eeeekk! this woman gives me the creeps, honestly... :eek: (hiding under my desk)
I'll regret brave old Powell and his Barnum Circus with pretended bottles of anthrax and truck labs...

So we take an incompetent NSA and make her SecState. And her replacement as NSA is supposed to be Stephen Hadley. We really have traded in the first string incompetents for the second string nutballs.

So we take an incompetent NSA and make her SecState. And her replacement as NSA is supposed to be Stephen Hadley. We really have traded in the first string incompetents for the second string nutballs.

It does boggle the mind....

What is more worrying though is that State will become another Whitehouse poodle like Defense....

This is so wrong on so many levels that one can argue with justification that this appointment is an antithesis of what America is meant to be.

Its bad enough that Bush was relected on a religious agenda, but its worse that the Neocons are subverting the great institutions of the state.

There has been a coup in the United States and this is not healthy for Freedom.

So we take an incompetent NSA and make her SecState. And her replacement as NSA is supposed to be Stephen Hadley. We really have traded in the first string incompetents for the second string nutballs.


You mean Stephen "whoops, how did that reference to Uranium get in there? Hadley?

the one who is rumoured to be Stephen "psst.... his wife Valerie works in Langley" Hadley?



I feel safer already!

Bush just announced Hadley is going to be in the NSA. And Condi is going to be the next Sec State. All they have to be is confirmed.

Well, say what you like about condi rice, unlike Dubya she is highly intelligent. Which is how I think Dubya operates - he knows hes not that smart, as do the people around him, so he surrounds himself with some very smart people in order to make up for it.

The problem is however, that the viewpoint those people is so narrow, so constricted towards their own neo - conservative agenda that it is just frightening.

Well, say what you like about condi rice, unlike Dubya she is highly intelligent. Which is how I think Dubya operates - he knows hes not that smart, as do the people around him, so he surrounds himself with some very smart people in order to make up for it.

The problem is however, that the viewpoint those people is so narrow, so constricted towards their own neo - conservative agenda that it is just frightening.

Yeah she is pretty intelligent....one reason she is dangerous.

Who's gonna take her old position then?

Who's gonna take her old position then?

Good question....been thinking about that myself and to be honest I think it will be another 'left field' candidate like Rice....

Y'know, her real name is Kindasleezy Rice. Condoleezza is just a coverup.

Well, say what you like about condi rice, unlike Dubya she is highly intelligent. Which is how I think Dubya operates - he knows hes not that smart, as do the people around him, so he surrounds himself with some very smart people in order to make up for it.

The problem is however, that the viewpoint those people is so narrow, so constricted towards their own neo - conservative agenda that it is just frightening.I wonder about her. I'm a student at Stanford where she was President (Provost maybe?) before she went to Washington, and she doesn't have the best rep around here. In fact, the big worry when it looked like Bush would lose was that she'd want her old job back.

Y'know, her real name is Kindasleezy Rice. Condoleezza is just a coverup.

Or is it Condiliesa? :D

Im republican and even I think that Rice is an incompetant idiot. But then again, Bush wasnt my favorite choice this election, actually I didnt vote becasue both candidates were idiots who would ultimately lead the US into something bad.

I wonder about her. I'm a student at Stanford where she was President (Provost maybe?) before she went to Washington, and she doesn't have the best rep around here. In fact, the big worry when it looked like Bush would lose was that she'd want her old job back.

Now thats interesting.....Stanford is not exactly a Berkley is it? (I am not familiar with US Universities...)

Is that rep because she is black, a woman, a Bushite, or deserved?

So we take an incompetent NSA and make her SecState. And her replacement as NSA is supposed to be Stephen Hadley. We really have traded in the first string incompetents for the second string nutballs.

I mised this!

Hadley....hmmmm....16 words...

Seems fall guys in the Bush administration always manage to somehow come up smelling of roses

Now thats interesting.....Stanford is not exactly a Berkley is it? (I am not familiar with US Universities...)

Is that rep because she is black, a woman, a Bushite, or deserved?Can't be because of her conservative tendencies--Stanford is home to the Hoover Institution, one of the oldest traditionally conservative think tanks in the nation, and the university is located in the conservative (and very wealthy) part of the Bay Area peninsula. It's still not what you would call a Bush stronghold, but it's certainly not Berkeley either.

Can't be because of her conservative tendencies--Stanford is home to the Hoover Institution, one of the oldest traditionally conservative think tanks in the nation, and the university is located in the conservative (and very wealthy) part of the Bay Area peninsula. It's still not what you would call a Bush stronghold, but it's certainly not Berkeley either.

So what are the chances its due to her either being Black or a woman?

So what are the chances its due to her either being Black or a woman?
Neither. Rice is smart in her field, which is Soviet Russia, and that helped her climb the neo-con ladder. Too bad that her area of study is largely useless in today's world--but she still had a rep that she was able to turn into a position as NSA based on the wants and desires of the neo-cons who still believed that we were dealing with state-based enemies, people who refused to acknowledge that the world has changed.

Neither. Rice is smart in her field, which is Soviet Russia, and that helped her climb the neo-con ladder. Too bad that her area of study is largely useless in today's world--but she still had a rep that she was able to turn into a position as NSA based on the wants and desires of the neo-cons who still believed that we were dealing with state-based enemies, people who refused to acknowledge that the world has changed.

I am not sure about the Neocon label to be honest. I am starting to think that she does not subscribe to that agenda when it comes to foreign affairs.

However I do think that she is pragmatic when it comes to securing her own power base....

The White house is like a house of mirrors. The President is surrounding himself with people who mirror his views so the world looks like the way he thinks it is except reality keeps on smashing a few along the way.

The White house is like a house of mirrors. The President is surrounding himself with people who mirror his views so the world looks like the way he thinks it is except reality keeps on smashing a few along the way.

Yes but you must bear in mind that there are several who are playing their own game as well..and one of them is Condie...

Yes but you must bear in mind that there are several who are playing their own game as well..and one of them is Condie...

All are backstabbers who will progress their own agendas but they all think the same. It's a free-for-all when Bush and Cheney are gone and the jackals will fight over their inherited fiefdoms

All are backstabbers who will progress their own agendas but they all think the same. It's a free-for-all when Bush and Cheney are gone and the jackals will fight over their inherited fiefdoms

No I disagree....I do not think that they all think the same....well not outside of searching for power...

Not all of those in Bushes Cabinet were PNAC neocons....

No I disagree....I do not think that they all think the same....well not outside of searching for power...

Not all of those in Bushes Cabinet were PNAC neocons....

I guess there are levels of conservatism, all compatible with GWB, but sometime different. I don't mind Powell as he was moderating but now the swing to ultra right is worse.

No I disagree....I do not think that they all think the same....well not outside of searching for power...

Not all of those in Bushes Cabinet were PNAC neocons....
That may have been true in the first term, but is less so in what is shaping up for the second term, and those who weren't PNAC neo-cons in the first term were slowly but surely frozen out of any real influence. Look at what happened to Powell, for instance.

Check out this web site!

http://www.rice2008.com/

Check out this web site!

http://www.rice2008.com/
Seen it before, and I hate to say it, but as long as the path to the nomination goes through South Carolina, and the path to the White House for Republicans goes through the deep south, you will never see an African-American candidate.

That may have been true in the first term, but is less so in what is shaping up for the second term, and those who weren't PNAC neo-cons in the first term were slowly but surely frozen out of any real influence. Look at what happened to Powell, for instance.

That is very true....

If I was a fully paid up yank I would be both scared and embarrassed

brrrr

She's mainly an implementor of policy and not a diplomat.

She's mainly an implementor of policy and not a diplomat.

Hence I did mention the change that might happen in State will follow the method that changed Defense...

And thats why she is in State....

It does not bode well

a guy who wrote a paper on why terrorism is fien and good and the geneva convention is a joke and should be ignored is going to be in charge of the wielding of the patriot act

and

the only non neocon in the cabinet stepped down and was replaced by the crazy bitch who serves as co puppet master to president bush


in short

we're fucked

you know the cabinet are supposed to be his advisors, whether i like them or not it doesn't matter. Its up to bush to pick who he wants to be surrounded by. I mean who'd you expect him to pick? John Kerry for SecState? Think logically.