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I suppose this comment is a little late, but nonetheless still topical and late only by virtue of an inconvenient little forum ban they put on me for some reason that prevented me from posting for the last two weeks.


America used to hold as a virtue that we had "nothing to fear but fear itself."

I consider this to be just as true now as when a great president first uttered it.

America no longer believes this to be true. Now americans have degenerated to the point where they fear "terrorists" and flock to crooks who they think will 'protect' them.

I consider anyone who is afraid of the alqaeda boogieman or any other sort of shadowy evil muslim terrorist group to be a gutless coward and a disgrace to the United States.

I suppose this comment is a little late, but nonetheless still topical and late only by virtue of an inconvenient little forum ban they put on me for some reason that prevented me from posting for the last two weeks.


America used to hold as a virtue that we had "nothing to fear but fear itself."

I consider this to be just as true now as when a great president first uttered it.

America no longer believes this to be true. Now americans have degenerated to the point where they fear "terrorists" and flock to crooks who they think will 'protect' them.

I consider anyone who is afraid of the alqaeda boogieman or any other sort of shadowy evil muslim terrorist group to be a gutless coward and a disgrace to the United States.

Just what part of the US are you from?

Just what part of the US are you from?


I reside in arizona and travel frequently by airplane.

I suppose this comment is a little late, but nonetheless still topical and late only by virtue of an inconvenient little forum ban they put on me for some reason that prevented me from posting for the last two weeks.


America used to hold as a virtue that we had "nothing to fear but fear itself."

I consider this to be just as true now as when a great president first uttered it.

America no longer believes this to be true. Now americans have degenerated to the point where they fear "terrorists" and flock to crooks who they think will 'protect' them.

I consider anyone who is afraid of the alqaeda boogieman or any other sort of shadowy evil muslim terrorist group to be a gutless coward and a disgrace to the United States.I agree... we're not afraid of them... if we were, we wouldn't be fighting them. No, we are not afraid of terrorist. before, we took what they gave us, now we are tired of taking.

I agree... we're not afraid of them... if we were, we wouldn't be fighting them. No, we are not afraid of terrorist. before, we took what they gave us, now we are tired of taking.


Do you believe that Bush would do a better job of protecting the US from terrorists than Howard Dean or John Kerry?

I reside in arizona and travel frequently by airplane.

Arizona..really..and you travel by plane? Well now. Look at my world. I live in NYC. I witnessed 9/11. You got no right calling anyone a coward. I know folks in the NYPD and FDNY who wake up with nightmares and fear something like that being repeated again in this city. I now live in a world where NYC could go up in a mushroom cloud. Or be hit with bio/chem weapons because some little jihadist doesnt like the US way of life.

And I'll be damned if you try and blame this on the US support of Israel. Thats only part of the reason. Look at the folks in France and the crap they have to deal with for banning headscarves in schools. Or what the Dutch are dealing with because someone talked ill about islam..if we stopped supporting Israel nothing would change. We'd still be the Great Satan, and the Israelis would be backed into a dangerous corner. (keep in mind Israel has anywhere between 40-50 nukes..and the capacity to deliver them anywhere in the region)

[QUOTE=New York and Jersey]..like the US way of life...

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It's patently idiotic to believe that terrorists attack the US because they have something against our "way of life."


If "way of life" was the issue, japan would be the prime target, norway would be the prime target, sweden would be the prime target, switzerland would be the prime target.

What these people dont like is the use of american financial and military power to opress their brothers and sisters.

It would be a terrible shame if new york was to be annihilated by an atomic bomb. New York didnt vote for george bush. New York is a decent city.

Do you believe that Bush would do a better job of protecting the US from terrorists than Howard Dean or John Kerry?Yep! :D

Yep! :D


Then you're a gutless coward.
And you know, a disgrace to the country.

[QUOTE=New York and Jersey]..like the US way of life...

[QUOTE]


It's patently idiotic to believe that terrorists attack the US because they have something against our "way of life."


If "way of life" was the issue, japan would be the prime target, norway would be the prime target, sweden would be the prime target, switzerland would be the prime target.

What these people dont like is the use of american financial and military power to opress their brothers and sisters.

It would be a terrible shame if new york was to be annihilated by an atomic bomb. New York didnt vote for george bush. New York is a decent city.
Which brothers and sisters?

[QUOTE=New York and Jersey]..like the US way of life...

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It's patently idiotic to believe that terrorists attack the US because they have something against our "way of life."


If "way of life" was the issue, japan would be the prime target, norway would be the prime target, sweden would be the prime target, switzerland would be the prime target.

What these people dont like is the use of american financial and military power to opress their brothers and sisters.

It would be a terrible shame if new york was to be annihilated by an atomic bomb. New York didnt vote for george bush. New York is a decent city.

Who were the Iranians talking about when they called us the Great Satan? It wasnt Japan, Sweden, Switzerland or Norway. There are reasons why Osama Bin Laden bashes how America is and it isnt because he gets paid to talk..well yea he does get paid by those who support him but honestly now if you want to know what hardline Islamists think go talk to a hardcore Southern Baptist. They're nearly one and the same..cept one only goes after Abortionists...the other goes after everythin else they consider perverted.

Then you're a gutless coward.
And you know, a disgrace to the country.
A gutless coward and a disgrace because this person thinks that one Presidential cadidate would respond to terrorism better than two others would?

Who were the Iranians talking about when they called us the Great Satan? It wasnt Japan, Sweden, Switzerland or Norway. There are reasons why Osama Bin Laden bashes how America is and it isnt because he gets paid to talk..well yea he does get paid by those who support him but honestly now if you want to know what hardline Islamists think go talk to a hardcore Southern Baptist. They're nearly one and the same..cept one only goes after Abortionists...the other goes after everythin else they consider perverted.


It's no mystery why bin laden doesnt like the US... Its not a secret...

It's very explicitly made clear:
American troops being stationed in the holy land.
American support of israeli butchery.
In fact, bin Laden has never condemned the "american way of life."

A gutless coward and a disgrace because this person thinks that one Presidential cadidate would respond to terrorism better than two others would?

A gutless coward because you are scared into buying into the hype of the shills and crooks.

Then you're a gutless coward.
And you know, a disgrace to the country.

How is that being a coward?

Which brothers and sisters?

Well dont you know? They're all one big happy family over in the middle east...cept for those who tried to kill Abbas...and Saddam with Kuwait...and with each other in general...and Christian Arabs who live in the middle east...but aside from that everyone is one big happy family in the middle east that the US keeps oppressing...never mind that we tried to help in the region once and were burned for it in Beruit. Nevermind that we helped those who worshiped Islam in Kosovo and Bosnia and were burned for that...yup..one big sphere of unity and rememberance there.

I should hope you know the whole "give up liberty for security" thing. If not, look it up.

A gutless coward because you are scared into buying into the hype of the shills and crooks.
Well, I was asking you to explain your comment but, since you brought it up, I haven't been scared into anything. I think protection from terrorists, real protection, is all but impossible in a society as permissive as ours. In place of protection I will settle for good old-fashioned revenge.

I should hope you know the whole "give up liberty for security" thing. If not, look it up.

Oh please..you think the USA PATRIOT Act is invasive? Go look up the Federal RICO Acts which deal with organized crime. How vague they are and how invasive those Acts are. The Patriot Act is essentially the RICO act modified to deal with terrorists. Nothing more, nothing less..but then again no one was complaining when we put most of the mafia leadership away.

A gutless coward because you are scared into buying into the hype of the shills and crooks.

I didnt vote Kerry because of Iraq, terrorism, or anything like that. I voted Kerry because Bush's economy sucks, and I am against tax breaks for the rich.

The entire american system of government has something wrong with it. There are too many loophole and ways to bury the truth. Kerry lost the election because he didnt manipulate the system enough. :sniper:

The entire american system of government has something wrong with it. There are too many loophole and ways to bury the truth. Kerry lost the election because he didnt manipulate the system enough. :sniper:

Please Kerry lost because that youth vote..stayed home. Again.

Please Kerry lost because that youth vote..stayed home. Again.Actually more Youth did turn out to vote. Just not the sweeping numbers Kerry wantd.

I should hope you know the whole "give up liberty for security" thing. If not, look it up.


the only difference in my life since the patriot act is that now i hear when a terrorist cell gets busted

Actually more Youth did turn out to vote. Just not the sweeping numbers Kerry wantd.

17%, typical voter turnout for those between the ages of 18-24.

besides what could kerry have done differently to obtain a better outcome
I never heard about his plan

I didnt vote Kerry because of Iraq, terrorism, or anything like that. I voted Kerry because Bush's economy sucks, and I am against tax breaks for the rich.


c'mon thats a joke
if you payed taxes at all you got a break
not just the rich

17%, typical voter turnout for those between the ages of 18-24.really? I heard that the percentage went up... could be in reguards for some states maybe...

besides what could kerry have done differently to obtain a better outcome
I never heard about his planThat was my concern about Kerry also...

the only plan kerry had was that it was the wrong
war at the wrong time and by god he was gonna fight it (but better)

and he was gonna give free money to single mothers and college students
and more afordable health care BUT he was Absolutely not going to raise taxes
even if you significantl raised the tax rate on the rich it still couldn't cover something like that

America is not full of gutless cowards. Nor is it ruled by fear. It's just ruled by a two party system with two equally useless politicians trying to buy votes by invoking the patriot spirit in the people of america.

I admire many americans who stand up for what they believe in, but perhaps it's time somone stood up and said "Hold on a second! This two party system doesn't work! We need a new system that will be more effective!"

I wish i could stand up over here in the UK and say we need a new system... but alas, I am ignored.

I now await somone who absolutely adores the political system to come and ridicule my beliefs.

and if the small business owners gets taxed that will directly hurt the middle and lower class
fortunately for us he didn't make it because that is exactly what he was planning to do (but without the intention probably)

America is not full of gutless cowards. Nor is it ruled by fear. It's just ruled by a two party system with two equally useless politicians trying to buy votes by invoking the patriot spirit in the people of america.

I admire many americans who stand up for what they believe in, but perhaps it's time somone stood up and said "Hold on a second! This two party system doesn't work! We need a new system that will be more effective!"

I wish i could stand up over here in the UK and say we need a new system... but alas, I am ignored.

I now await somone who absolutely adores the political system to come and ridicule my beliefs.nah, not ignored... just no one agrees to giving you all of the power.

America is not full of gutless cowards. Nor is it ruled by fear. It's just ruled by a two party system with two equally useless politicians trying to buy votes by invoking the patriot spirit in the people of america.

I admire many americans who stand up for what they believe in, but perhaps it's time somone stood up and said "Hold on a second! This two party system doesn't work! We need a new system that will be more effective!"

I wish i could stand up over here in the UK and say we need a new system... but alas, I am ignored.

I now await somone who absolutely adores the political system to come and ridicule my beliefs.

i agree the two party system dosent work. if it did then i wouldnt have to put up with live feeds on the ABC half way around the globe

nah, not ignored... just no one agrees to giving you all of the power.

It's nothing like that. I just want them to rethink the current system.

Well, I was asking you to explain your comment but, since you brought it up, I haven't been scared into anything. I think protection from terrorists, real protection, is all but impossible in a society as permissive as ours. In place of protection I will settle for good old-fashioned revenge.

Sheesh! And people wonder what's wrong with international relations today. Stupid attitudes like that are why the middle east is such a volatile place to start with...

Sheesh! And people wonder what's wrong with international relations today. Stupid attitudes like that are why the middle east is such a volatile place to start with...

attitude still doesnt excuse terrorism by either side. :sniper:

It's nothing like that. I just want them to rethink the current system.oops, sorry, thought you were doing your world dominition speil.

Acutally it's not a two party system. The Democratic party is acually quite young. The problem is that Independants really have a hard time getting their words out there for everyone to hear. People call the Independents spoilers. and that's what they are. Not because they take votes away from Canidates, but when their voices are heard, they can get into the White House.

Somwhere in a cave

"This is bin laden, Infidels. If you elect Bush, I will bring fire and death to you and your country... do not vote for bush..."

*Republican official walks in with cheque.*

"Ah yes... excuse me."

"Thank you Mr. Laden."

"Yes. Address the cheque as payable to Laden. Nice dougn business with you."

-Later on, bush gets re-elected.-

LOL. Some sort of conspiracy theory for you nuts out there. For me, a hilarious joke. Heh.

remember. one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

"Fear is the path to the dark side" said once a jedi knight...
War is peace! said Mr Orwell in his novel 1984, and described, to keep the society occupied and not to revolt against the ruling group, war is not an inter-national issue, more, it is an inner issue...

If you give in to the fear of terrorism, that's exactly what they want. With every law restricting freedom and privacy, I hear Muslim-extremists snigger. When the USA elects a president that is an economic imbecile, because they fear terrorism, Osama laughs. When the Europeans keep quarreling on how to stop terrorism, terrorists know nothing's going to be done.

And our leaders even make us afraid, without help of actual terrorists, and in that way they take over the task of spreading fear and become terrorists.

At this moment, the US-government is the biggest terroristorganisation, not because they are killing people in Iraq, but because they make people fear going out on the street, people are afraid of flying, people daren't go to the mall.

The greatest achievement of Osama was not killing roughly 3000 people in the WTC, but the thousands killed in Iraq, the people who still wake up every morning with the image of a plain crashing into a tower, the people who now fullhartedly hate Muslims, even the ones who don't want to have anything to do with extremists. The Muslims who are now becoming extremists, because they are hated and not accepted. Right now, you have nothing to fear, but fear itself, because it is fear that both leads to and is caused by terrorism.

1. By far, the greatest barrier to intelligent discourse about any subject is absolutism of any kind. Black and white reasoning is not reasonable at all. This includes the "us vs. them" mentality of American politics and the two party system (see John Stewart's appearance on Crossfire) and the good vs. evil mentality of organized religion. In short, any person willing to descend into "black and white" rhetoric on any issue is not looking for an answer at all. They just want to be right, and will take any shortcut to get there.

2. There is no such thing as a "war on terrorism". That is just silly. You cannot declare war on Ted Kaczinsky and Tim McVeigh. The US government is not stupid, even if you are. We are not going to try to kill all 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, either. We are there for oil. Wake up. Terrorism is a phantom enemy, a hobgoblin for small minds. Boo!

3. American foreign policy is smug, arrogant, and murderous, and with a decent exscuse. The rest of the world is mired in ignorance, too. We freed the slaves in 1869, and gave them a vote. We gave women the vote in 1920. We integrated our schools in the 1950's. So what is the world waiting for? We've had the Bill of Rights for 213 years now, and very few have joined the party. Good is not all it's cracked up to be, apparently, so we'll just shoot you instead.

4. Politics are a waste of time. If you think GW is a joke, try to remember Ronald Reagan. Ever seen a Bonzo movie? Do you know why we give actors like R.R., Arnold S., and Jesse V. elected offices? Not because we are trying to convince the world we are its assclown. That was done a long time ago. It's because politics are an entertaining circus, nothing more. 46% of the US did not bother voting in the last election. 46%. So, did you enjoy the show? If so, it was put on just for you (and me, too). We do not discuss issues on the national level in America. Not at all. We fling poop (see Swift Boat Veterans for Lying Distractions). It's the Jerry Springer show, nothing more. :fluffle:

Sheesh! And people wonder what's wrong with international relations today. Stupid attitudes like that are why the middle east is such a volatile place to start with...
It seems there is little else that can be done. It is better in my opinion than the shoulder shrugging, now go about your business response that was policy for decades.

I suppose this comment is a little late, but nonetheless still topical and late only by virtue of an inconvenient little forum ban they put on me for some reason that prevented me from posting for the last two weeks.

You know, there's a reason the mods forumbanned you. It was because of flaming and flamebaiting like what has gone on in this thread. It's nice to see that you haven't learned from the opportunity they gave you.

You know, there's a reason the mods forumbanned you. It was because of flaming and flamebaiting like what has gone on in this thread. It's nice to see that you haven't learned from the opportunity they gave you.

Quite so.
New Granada, if you do not cease making personal attacks on other members of this forum, I will be forced to take more drastic action.
You have been warned.


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besides what could kerry have done differently to obtain a better outcome
I never heard about his plan

To those like Il Cuzzo here who didn't hear about Kerry's plan, I'll say you didn't look very hard to find it. After all, there was a kerry website, three debates and he did tour the country to make his message known.

and if the small business owners gets taxed that will directly hurt the middle and lower class
fortunately for us he didn't make it because that is exactly what he was planning to do (but without the intention probably)


A tax cut for anyone who does not have a high MPC directly hurts the middle and lower class because every dollar given in tax cuts to a low MPC group is a dollar stolen from economic stimulus and a dollar that should have been cut from the taxes of the middle and working class.

i live in a giant bucket

dsa/.kfjdakslfhlsa'khf@!1!!!! adSKFH

:headbang: :mp5:

You can't say that terrorism isn't a threat or something we should woefully ignore. On the other hand there are so many more important dangers in our country that terrorism can be used to pull your attention away from. Corruption in our politics/politicians, the number of deaths that occur from auto accidents, Overcrowding in prisons, and so many other things.

You can't say that terrorism isn't a threat or something we should woefully ignore. On the other hand there are so many more important dangers in our country that terrorism can be used to pull your attention away from. Corruption in our politics/politicians, the number of deaths that occur from auto accidents, Overcrowding in prisons, and so many other things.


Precisely.

Terrorism is a minor concern and in fact the attacks on us by terrorists were completely provoked and a reasonable consequence of what we have done.

The answer to terrorism is to take responsibility for our mistakes and change our course to one more moral.

Auto accidents kill more people in a year than terrorists ever have. America has real problems, terrorism isnt one of them.

attitude still doesnt excuse terrorism by either side. :sniper:

No, of course not. But attitudes like that are definite contributing factors to it....

Do you believe that Bush would do a better job of protecting the US from terrorists than Howard Dean or John Kerry?
Is this a rhetorical question? Actually I suppose Howard Dean might have been able to scare them with his scream, and Kerry could just sic his wife on them.

It's no mystery why bin laden doesnt like the US... Its not a secret...

It's very explicitly made clear:
American troops being stationed in the holy land.
American support of israeli butchery.
In fact, bin Laden has never condemned the "american way of life."
Are you on crack? Did you manage to miss all of his home videos proclaiming the coming of the Great Caliphate and how he would drive the Israelis into the sea and destroy America?

I didnt vote Kerry because of Iraq, terrorism, or anything like that. I voted Kerry because Bush's economy sucks, and I am against tax breaks for the rich.
His economy is growing at the same rate clinton's did at it's height currently. The difference is the media is downplaying this. It's exceedingly ironic especially considering that the economic bubble caused by clinton had burst in the months before george bush became president. And then 9/11 ocurred. It's actually surprising things weren't a lot worse off than they were. As for you second statement, it just shows how much of an idiot you are. It was tax breaks for everyone, and the top 20% of tax payers still pays over 80% of the income tax paid in this country.

Precisely.

Terrorism is a minor concern and in fact the attacks on us by terrorists were completely provoked and a reasonable consequence of what we have done.

The answer to terrorism is to take responsibility for our mistakes and change our course to one more moral.

Auto accidents kill more people in a year than terrorists ever have. America has real problems, terrorism isnt one of them.

Problem with comparing apples and oranges...accidents are one thing but blatent murder is another..and frankly it may not be a problem for you but it sure as hell is a problem for me. Two terrorist strikes in less than a decade, and four averted terrorist strikes within that same amount of time all either targeting NYC or dealing with NYC then frankly it becomes a freaking problem in the largest city in the US. Home nearly 10 million people. But hey..if accidental motor vehicle accidents are a problem where you live then go teach motor vehicle safety.

And I dont care how many times you wish to say they're justified the purposeful killing of civilians no matter what the cause is wrong. The Pentagon was a legit target. The WTC wasnt.

Problem with comparing apples and oranges...accidents are one thing but blatent murder is another..and frankly it may not be a problem for you but it sure as hell is a problem for me. Two terrorist strikes in less than a decade, and four averted terrorist strikes within that same amount of time all either targeting NYC or dealing with NYC then frankly it becomes a freaking problem in the largest city in the US. Home nearly 10 million people. But hey..if accidental motor vehicle accidents are a problem where you live then go teach motor vehicle safety.

And I dont care how many times you wish to say they're justified the purposeful killing of civilians no matter what the cause is wrong. The Pentagon was a legit target. The WTC wasnt.



America's financial power is no less a force of opression than its military.

America's financial power is no less a force of opression than its military.

Oh god that why wasnt Japan targeted? Or China? Or Western Europe as a whole? Or is the US the only G-8 country which does that :rolleyes:

Again the WTC was packed full of civilians and luckly it took place early on in the day..god forbid tourists had begun to flock there, other wise the death toll would have been far higher.

Oh god that why wasnt Japan targeted? Or China? Or Western Europe as a whole? Or is the US the only G-8 country which does that :rolleyes:

Again the WTC was packed full of civilians and luckly it took place early on in the day..god forbid tourists had begun to flock there, other wise the death toll would have been far higher.


japan does not use its financial power to impose its will on the middle east and the third world.

and western europe is generally more in favor of the opressed in the middle east than the opressors.

the iraq debacle has proven that.

japan does not use its financial power to impose its will on the middle east and the third world.

and western europe is generally more in favor of the opressed in the middle east than the opressors.

the iraq debacle has proven that.

BS, three soldiers of the British Blackwatch were killed recently. British dont toss their weight around. South Korean civilians were killed in Iraq. The ROK doesnt toss its weight around in the region. The Phillippines dont toss their weight around and yet a Filippino diplomat was still kidnapped and being held.

But hey keep your narrow view all you want..just dont try and pose it as fact and expect it to hold.

BS, three soldiers of the British Blackwatch were killed recently. British dont toss their weight around. South Korean civilians were killed in Iraq. The ROK doesnt toss its weight around in the region. The Phillippines dont toss their weight around and yet a Filippino diplomat was still kidnapped and being held.

But hey keep your narrow view all you want..just dont try and pose it as fact and expect it to hold.



You expect iraqi insurgents to know or care that the foreign invaders dont consider themselves combatants (in the case of the koreans) or that the armed invaders arent from the US?


I know that if my country was invaded, and I had a chance to send the foreign invaders a message, I would take it.

You expect iraqi insurgents to know or care that the foreign invaders dont consider themselves combatants (in the case of the koreans) or that the armed invaders arent from the US?


I know that if my country was invaded, and I had a chance to send the foreign invaders a message, I would take it.

Oh but that would mean they arent beloved in the region doesnt it? Unless they are just indiscriminately targeting civilians who are there to assist in the reconstruction. Enough with the strawman arguements why dont you put up something more concrete than just your own biased anti-US opinion.

Oh but that would mean they arent beloved in the region doesnt it? Unless they are just indiscriminately targeting civilians who are there to assist in the reconstruction. Enough with the strawman arguements why dont you put up something more concrete than just your own biased anti-US opinion.


Why would you suppose any foreign country is beloved in the region??



Also, the terrorists who blew up the WTC werent iraqi insurgents.


Talk about a red herring... jesus...

Why would you suppose any foreign country is beloved in the region??



Also, the terrorists who blew up the WTC werent iraqi insurgents.


Talk about a red herring... jesus...


..yea and you just put it up. We werent talking about Iraqi Insurgents now where we when discussing whether or not the WTC was a legit target.

As for any country beloved in the region..those who typical dont bother in international affairs are beloved in the region..simply because they dont bother in international affairs. Those who side with the Arabs though against the Israelis are gold. Why do you think there isnt a massive Arab uproar over what occurs in Chechnya? Could it be because most Arab nations have Russian gear?

[QUOTE=New York and Jersey]..yea and you just put it up. We werent talking about Iraqi Insurgents now where we when discussing whether or not the WTC was a legit target.

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Whoa whoa whoa george Jr, you are the one who mentioned something about koreans and brits being killed by iraqi insurgents in iraq...

Why do you think there isnt a massive Arab uproar over what occurs in Chechnya? Could it be because most Arab nations have Russian gear?


Could also be because chechnyans arent middle easterners.

[QUOTE=New York and Jersey]..yea and you just put it up. We werent talking about Iraqi Insurgents now where we when discussing whether or not the WTC was a legit target.

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Whoa whoa whoa george Jr, you are the one who mentioned something about koreans and brits being killed by iraqi insurgents in iraq...

You mentioned us not being beloved in the region...and the Fillippino Diplomat was in Afganistan. But hey whatever floats your boat..oh and I could go further back to the Madrid Commuter Train Bombing..and further back all the way to the 80s with the Beriut Marine Barracks Bombing..because we all know the threat peacekeepers pose..right?

And dont call me George Jr. I'm a registered Republican and voted Kerry this last election. That hardly makes me George Jr. But it sure is fun to make assumptions about folks huh?

Oh my God, Guys!
We won! This debate means nothing.

As John Ashcroft, our honorable and excellent attorney general, stepped down into retirement he said that terror as a whole had been defeated!
WE ARE VICTORIOUS!
That's right, Reds and Blues! Shake hands and hug because we are FREE AT LAST!
It goes to show how well the Bush administration has done. They were so able to set out achievable goals during the first term that they were able to stop terror by a time MERE days after the first term. Surely, even if Kerry had been elected, such a closure to the war on terror would have been inevitable because of the Bush administration's fine patriotic qualities!
They know their own strengths so admirably and so well! Why, to think that it was just weeks ago that Cheney warned us of our collective demise if Kerry was elected.
No doubt, the Fonda lover would've found a way to screw up the war on terror in just a few days because he just thought terror was a nuisance.
Praise be to the Lamb for placing his servant back into office to reward him for this. . .

____----____----MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!----____----____

Could also be because chechnyans arent middle easterners.

But arent they, how you quoted in one big thread all "brothers and sisters" in the faith? Or does that only extend to Arabs? In which case why does Al Queda manage to operate with Fundamentalists in Indonesia and the Phillippines? Last time I checked neither of those countries was Arab.

You mentioned us not being beloved in the region...and the Fillippino Diplomat was in Afganistan. But hey whatever floats your boat..oh and I could go further back to the Madrid Commuter Train Bombing..and further back all the way to the 80s with the Beriut Marine Barracks Bombing..because we all know the threat peacekeepers pose..right?

And dont call me George Jr. I'm a registered Republican and voted Kerry this last election. That hardly makes me George Jr. But it sure is fun to make assumptions about folks huh?


I called you george jr because you lied to my face. (about who brought up iraqi insurgents)

Oh my God, Guys!
We won! This debate means nothing.

As John Ashcroft, our honorable and excellent attorney general, stepped down into retirement he said that terror as a whole had been defeated!
WE ARE VICTORIOUS!
That's right, Reds and Blues! Shake hands and hug because we are FREE AT LAST!
It goes to show how well the Bush administration has done. They were so able to set out achievable goals during the first term that they were able to stop terror by a time MERE days after the first term. Surely, even if Kerry had been elected, such a closure to the war on terror would have been impossible, for the Bush administration's fine patriotic resiliency was necessary until the very end!
They know their own strengths so admirably and so well! Why, to think that it was just weeks ago that Cheney warned us of our collective demise by mushroom cloud if Kerry was elected!
No doubt, the Fonda lover would've found a way to screw up the war on terror in just a few days because he just thought terror was a nuisance.
Praise be to the Lamb for placing his servant back into office to reward him for this. . .

____----____----"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"!!!!----____----____

Oh my God, Guys!
We won! This debate means nothing.

As John Ashcroft, our honorable and excellent attorney general, stepped down into retirement he said that terror as a whole had been defeated!
WE ARE VICTORIOUS!
That's right, Reds and Blues! Shake hands and hug because we are FREE AT LAST!
It goes to show how well the Bush administration has done. They were so able to set out achievable goals during the first term that they were able to stop terror by a time MERE days after the first term. Surely, even if Kerry had been elected, such a closure to the war on terror would have been inevitable because of the Bush administration's fine patriotic qualities!
They know their own strengths so admirably and so well! Why, to think that it was just weeks ago that Cheney warned us of our collective demise if Kerry was elected.
No doubt, the Fonda lover would've found a way to screw up the war on terror in just a few days because he just thought terror was a nuisance.
Praise be to the Lamb for placing his servant back into office to reward him for this. . .

____----____----MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!----____----____
Best Sarcastic Post Ever!

But arent they, how you quoted in one big thread all "brothers and sisters" in the faith? Or does that only extend to Arabs? In which case why does Al Queda manage to operate with Fundamentalists in Indonesia and the Phillippines? Last time I checked neither of those countries was Arab.



The Phillippenes is an old victim of... guess who... you guessed it! America!

And also, I was of course referring to the palestinians.

I suppose this comment is a little late, but nonetheless still topical and late only by virtue of an inconvenient little forum ban they put on me for some reason that prevented me from posting for the last two weeks.


America used to hold as a virtue that we had "nothing to fear but fear itself."

I consider this to be just as true now as when a great president first uttered it.

America no longer believes this to be true. Now americans have degenerated to the point where they fear "terrorists" and flock to crooks who they think will 'protect' them.

I consider anyone who is afraid of the alqaeda boogieman or any other sort of shadowy evil muslim terrorist group to be a gutless coward and a disgrace to the United States.


Afraid? That's why we are kicking AQ ass all over the planet

The Phillippenes is an old victim of... guess who... you guessed it! America!

And also, I was of course referring to the palestinians.

Who hasnt been in the area as a colonial power since '48.Unless your counting Subic Bay Naval Base which closed back in the early 90s..then OMG NOES! No country has the right to have a military base in a country that allows them to.. but hey..between 41-45 the Japanese were the ones playing the vicmitizer. The US had even planned on granting Independence to the Phillippenese but then WWII happened..they already had Commonwealth status and had voted on it. Unless we're counting the sins for the past for everything currently going on.