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Obedience schools train animals with behavioral problems. As Americans who love their dogs have increasingly emotionalized them and come to see them as family members, complete with complex psychological lives and histories, they feel more and more anxious and guilty about them. Imagine the horror of walking your dog through the neighborhood and discover your pet enjoys same sex partners. As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621)

Obedience schools train animals with behavioral problems. As Americans who love their dogs have increasingly emotionalized them and come to see them as family members, complete with complex psychological lives and histories, they feel more and more anxious and guilty about them. Imagine the horror of walking your dog through the neighborhood and discover your pet enjoys same sex partners. As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621)
EXAMPLE:
http://www.watnou.com/archief/images/gaydog-thumb.JPG

9 out of 10 authoritarians agree: Behaviorist theory rules.

Let me know how many gays you turn straight. But be careful, they might turn you gay!

Obedience schools train animals with behavioral problems. As Americans who love their dogs have increasingly emotionalized them and come to see them as family members, complete with complex psychological lives and histories, they feel more and more anxious and guilty about them. Imagine the horror of walking your dog through the neighborhood and discover your pet enjoys same sex partners. As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621)
You are not training it to be not gay

Rather not to act on it

hahahaha beautiful

i think its a little bit different with humans than it is with dogs.

hahahaha beautiful

i think its a little bit different with humans than it is with dogs.
What? Dogs are smarter?

You are not training it to be not gay

Rather not to act on it
So what? As long as it works on your kids.

Have you ever seen Legally Blonde 2?

by the time you find out your kid is gay he is too old to beat with a rolled up newspaper

Obedience schools train animals with behavioral problems. As Americans who love their dogs have increasingly emotionalized them and come to see them as family members, complete with complex psychological lives and histories, they feel more and more anxious and guilty about them. Imagine the horror of walking your dog through the neighborhood and discover your pet enjoys same sex partners. As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621)
if you have kids that are no smarter than dogs then that's your problem. most of us set slightly higher standards for our children.

Let me know how many gays you turn straight. But be careful, they might turn you gay!
I know alot of people that were gay in their teens, but
eventually started acting normal when they grew older.
http://www.artofbacchus.com/ElijahWood.jpg
Millions of teens behave gay because it's a "fad" in some places.
It doesn't mean they are completely homosexual, it just means
they were being stupid. Lots of kids do stupid things. And if we
can teach our pets to not act foolishly, then it should work for
our children too.

So what? As long as it works on your kids.
Thats essentialy what is already happening untill they grow up too much to be scared by you

So what? As long as it works on your kids.
On the rare occasions when such "therapy" is successful in blocking such activity (in humans), it lays the foundation for a lifetime of repressive, self-denying, and self-hating tendancies. Such acts cannot be truly called therapy; rather, they can and should be considered abuse when performed on children. If the gender of your child's romantic partners matters more to you than their long-term mental health and stability, you are quite frankly unfit for parenthood.

(edit to respond to a second post)
I know alot of people that were gay in their teens, but
eventually started acting normal when they grew older.
http://www.artofbacchus.com/ElijahWood.jpg
Millions of teens behave gay because it's a "fad" in some places.
It doesn't mean they are completely homosexual, it just means
they were being stupid. Lots of kids do stupid things. And if we
can teach our pets to not act foolishly, then it should work for
our children too.
For the most part, such transitory episodes of homosexuality are attributed to curiosity and confusion on the part of the individual as regards their own sexuality, rather than a desire to follow a "fad," which is nonexistant in most areas given the discrimination that is faced by homosexuals. Additionally, sexuality is not a static thing; gradual, long-term shifts in an individual's sexual orientation is neither uncommon nor unnatural. However, these shifts take place over the course of years, and do not take the form of complete flips (straight to gay or vice versa), but rather that of varying degrees of bisexuality.

if you have kids that are no smarter than dogs then that's your problem. most of us set slightly higher standards for our children.
I'm sure it really hits home for you Bottle... growing up unloved by family & friends & and animals because you chose to be lesbian democrat. Let's not let your childhood happen to the next generation. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, these kids have a chance to mature in a loving, healthier environment, quite different than your own.

I know alot of people that were gay in their teens, but
eventually started acting normal when they grew older.
http://www.artofbacchus.com/ElijahWood.jpg
Millions of teens behave gay because it's a "fad" in some places.
It doesn't mean they are completely homosexual, it just means
they were being stupid. Lots of kids do stupid things. And if we
can teach our pets to not act foolishly, then it should work for
our children too.

Yesh, this fad has been going on ever since humans walked on this wretched straight world :-)

On the rare occasions when such "therapy" is successful in blocking such activity (in humans), it lays the foundation for a lifetime of repressive, self-denying, and self-hating tendancies. Such acts cannot be truly called therapy; rather, they can and should be considered abuse when performed on children. If the gender of your child's romantic partners matters more to you than their long-term mental health and stability, you are quite frankly unfit for parenthood.
There currently is no therapy for humans, there never was. I can't imagine adults going for the rest of their lives feeling ashamed of themselves because their sickening behavior, but hey, even child molestors can find hope in psychological counceling and medicine for their deviant behavior.
http://www.bitwaste.com/wasted-bits/archives/michael-jackson-monkey.jpg

Millions of teens behave gay because it's a "fad" in some places.
It doesn't mean they are completely homosexual, it just means
they were being stupid. Lots of kids do stupid things. And if we
can teach our pets to not act foolishly, then it should work for
our children too.

A fad? Since when did doing stuff that gets you beat up become a fad. If it is a choice, then your behaviorist bilge is not the solution, anyway. :sniper:

On the rare occasions when such "therapy" is successful in blocking such activity (in humans), it lays the foundation for a lifetime of repressive, self-denying, and self-hating tendancies. Such acts cannot be truly called therapy; rather, they can and should be considered abuse when performed on children. If the gender of your child's romantic partners matters more to you than their long-term mental health and stability, you are quite frankly unfit for parenthood.

Well-said.

growing up unloved by family & friends & and animals because you chose to be lesbian democrat. Let's not let your childhood happen to the next generation. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, these kids have a chance to mature in a loving, healthier environment, quite different than your own.
Blaming gays for homophobia, and not the bigots. You're really something.

Blaming gays for homophobia, and not the bigots. You're really something.
There's no such thing as homophobia.

I'm sure it really hits home for you Bottle... growing up unloved by family & friends & and animals because you chose to be lesbian democrat.

are you sure you are talking about me? i'm not a lesbian or a Democrat, my family and friends are very strong and positive presences in my life, and i have two pets that certainly seem as affectionate as their species allow them to be.


Let's not let your childhood happen to the next generation.

yeah, we sure wouldn't want America's children growing up in loving, well-educated homes, where values of respect and honor are taught before hatred and ignorance. it sure would be a shame if our kids learned to choose their partners in life based on something other than the urge to make babies...

Think of someone other than yourself for a change, these kids have a chance to mature in a loving, healthier environment, quite different than your own.
meh, whatever. you're bordering on flame, so i would be careful...i wouldn't want to see you banned for misbehavior, especially when you are so very entertaining :).

I'm sure it really hits home for you Bottle... growing up unloved by family & friends & and animals because you chose to be lesbian democrat. Let's not let your childhood happen to the next generation. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, these kids have a chance to mature in a loving, healthier environment, quite different than your own.
rediculous flaming

I think it would be more cost-effective to just train you not to be a bigot.

Not that I even give any credulance to your idea.

Blaming gays for homophobia, and not the bigots. You're really something.
Care I say in the closet himself? They almost always are....in denial.

There currently is no therapy for humans, there never was. I can't imagine adults going for the rest of their lives feeling ashamed of themselves because their sickening behavior, but hey, even child molestors can find hope in psychological counceling and medicine for their deviant behavior.
http://www.bitwaste.com/wasted-bits/archives/michael-jackson-monkey.jpg
There are a wide variety of (mostly fundamentalist church-based) "therapy" groups designed to turn homosexuals heterosexual. It was these groups that I assumed you were referring to, actually.
I also call into question your equation of homosexuality with child molestation. There is a distinct difference between the subjects; homosexuality on it's own is no different from heterosexuality in that it involves only consenting adults, and harms nobody. Child molestation does not include consent, one of the individuals is by definition below the age of consent, and the behavior causes mental and sometimes physical damage to the child. Do not let your distaste for homosexuality color your views; though you may find it disgusting, there are cultures in this world that think the same of eating beef, and they should no more be allowed to impose restrictions upon the general population besed upon such views than should you.

There currently is no therapy for humans, there never was. I can't imagine adults going for the rest of their lives feeling ashamed of themselves because their sickening behavior, but hey, even child molestors can find hope in psychological counceling and medicine for their deviant behavior.

didnt they used to use shock therapy to try to "cure" homosexuality?

you ARE goofing on us arent you?

There's no such thing as homophobia.

That almost begs to be put in my list of stupidest things ever said. Be glad I'm too lazy to add it. :p

There's something bigotted about a
person finding homosexuality disgusting?

Why don't you just call me a bigot
for not liking cherry chordials?

Why not claim everyone who
doesn't like Kwanza as a racist?

This is about finding a cure for those unloved gay teens.

Noone ever used shock therapy on homosexual behavior.
And yeah Letila homophobia is a made up word, it isn't real.

This is about finding a cure for those unloved gay teens.
The only "cure" for unloved gay teens is finding them supportive, caring families that are willing to adhere to the ultimate parental must that is unconditional love. If the teens are unloved because they are homosexual, that is the fault of the parents, not the fault of the teen.

As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.
No such book exists. I checked on Amazon.com, then I put the title into a search engine and came up with nothing. Furthermore, the link he provided contains no mention of homosexuality - in animals or people. This is pure trolling.

I'm sorry I find this whole topic funny.

Anyway I do remember hearing a long time ago about some male homosexuals that did convert to straightness. They found their girlfriends very attractive and had no interest in men. Lesbians, typically, are feminist man-haters rather than woman-lovers, so I doubt there's a chance of converting them.

Also I don't buy the whole since I was 4 or 5 I was gay. I didn't like girls back then either. They were all kissy and foo foo and pink, unlike the boys who were cool and played tag and stuff. Eventually I grew out of that and I like girls now.

Also, if people who believe they are straight can turn gay, then why can't the opposite happen?

There's something bigotted about a
person finding homosexuality disgusting?

Why don't you just call me a bigot
for not liking cherry chordials?

Why not claim everyone who
doesn't like Kwanza as a racist?

This is about finding a cure for those unloved gay teens.

Fine, you're a bigot. No place of such things in this world, IMHO. Sure, sue because your first ammendment rights are violated, but whatever. Hate has no place.

And unloved? Hardly. Most of the things that makes it seem like they are "unloved" are caused by narrowmindedness as exhibited by some people...

Ignorance is bliss.

I know alot of people that were gay in their teens, but
eventually started acting normal when they grew older.
http://www.artofbacchus.com/ElijahWood.jpg
Millions of teens behave gay because it's a "fad" in some places.
It doesn't mean they are completely homosexual, it just means
they were being stupid. Lots of kids do stupid things. And if we
can teach our pets to not act foolishly, then it should work for
our children too.
Are you a gimmick? Like seriously, I won't be mad if you are. Its actually quite funny.

big·ot Pronunciation Key (bgt)
n.

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion.



Yep, that's you.

Noone ever used shock therapy on homosexual behavior.
thats not what google says
And yeah Letila homophobia is a made up word, it isn't real.
all words are "made up"

And yeah Letila homophobia is a made up word, it isn't real.

Of course it's a made-up word, all words are made-up.

Anyway I do remember hearing a long time ago about some male homosexuals that did convert to straightness. They found their girlfriends very attractive and had no interest in men. Lesbians, typically, are feminist man-haters rather than woman-lovers, so I doubt there's a chance of converting them.

They hate men because they think women should have equal rights? :confused:

A realistic definition for homophobia would be HOMO: a genus species of extinct and extant humans. - PHOBIA: means fear. It would mean a "Fear
of Humans". But it isn't a real word. Homophobia is a slang term used
against people who disagree with gay behavior - it isn't really a clinical
definition - it is a slur.

A realistic definition for homophobia would be HOMO: a genus species of extinct and extant humans. - PHOBIA: means fear. It would mean a "Fear
of Humans". But it isn't a real word. Homophobia is a slang term used
against people who disagree with gay behavior - it isn't really a clinical
definition - it is a slur.
The APA (http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/guidelines.html) would disagree. Seeing as how they basically set what is clinical and what is not I think you are wrong.

The only "cure" for unloved gay teens is finding them supportive, caring families that are willing to adhere to the ultimate parental must that is unconditional love. If the teens are unloved because they are homosexual, that is the fault of the parents, not the fault of the teen.


Amen :)

I thought that people were the only animals who had sex for pleasure...so how are there gay dogs? Doesn't make sense to me. Unless I'm wrong about that.

I'm sure it really hits home for you Bottle... growing up unloved by family & friends & and animals because you chose to be lesbian democrat. Let's not let your childhood happen to the next generation. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, these kids have a chance to mature in a loving, healthier environment, quite different than your own.

It's amusing how often those with little substance behind their arguments resort to cheap personal attacks in an attempt to get a point across. This little blurb of ignorance would be equivalent to calling someone a doo-doo head in a debate. Lord, it's one thing to have ridiculously bigoted opinions, but it's quite another thing to resort to infantile insults when your narrow-minded beliefs are challenged.

I hope you're for real.

There's no such thing as homophobia.
Is there such thing as racism either?

Cause by your arguments, someone can just dislike black people, and it's not bigotry, it's just personal preference, and we're being intolerant by trying to force someone to like black people.

The only "cure" for unloved gay teens is finding them supportive, caring families that are willing to adhere to the ultimate parental must that is unconditional love. If the teens are unloved because they are homosexual, that is the fault of the parents, not the fault of the teen.
I completely agree.

It's the moralizing bigots who cause all the problems, NOT the homosexuals.

I thought that people were the only animals who had sex for pleasure...so how are there gay dogs? Doesn't make sense to me. Unless I'm wrong about that.
That is, actually, a commonly held misconception. Dolphins in particular, as well as a handful of other species (including bonobos, another species of primate) are known to have sex for recreational purposes. However, even this is immaterial with regards to the issue of homosexuality in animals; there is documented evidence of (often long-term, including lifelong) homosexual behavior in members of approximately one quarter of all known animal species, the vast majority of which do not partake in sex for recreation. It is driven by mating instinct just like heterosexual sex, the individual is simply drawn to a different partner.

I wouldn't begrudge anyone not knowing that, though, as you kind of have to dig around to find some of this stuff.

That is, actually, a commonly held misconception. Dolphins in particular, as well as a handful of other species (including bonobos, another species of primate) are known to have sex for recreational purposes. However, even this is immaterial with regards to the issue of homosexuality in animals; there is documented evidence of (often long-term, including lifelong) homosexual behavior in members of approximately one quarter of all known animal species, the vast majority of which do not partake in sex for recreation. It is driven by mating instinct just like heterosexual sex, the individual is simply drawn to a different partner.

I wouldn't begrudge anyone not knowing that, though, as you kind of have to dig around to find some of this stuff.


Right, I forgot about Dolphins...yeah, this isn't exactly my area of expertise...

I suppose there wouldn't be much point in dealing with female baggage if you don't take pleasure in...er...pleasure...

Noone ever used shock therapy on homosexual behavior.Actually, yes,
Electroshock therapy has been misused for homosexuality. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/dh38el.html)
As with the lobotomy, the side effects of this practice came to be discovered with time. And accusations of inappropriate use -- to "cure" homosexuality, for example, or psoriasis -- increased.

And yeah Letila homophobia is a made up word, it isn't real.

:confused: I don't understand your point here. If you don't find "made up" words to be "real", you're going to have to exclude a large number of words in most languages... Neologisms are the life blood of any language.

Because if you could, you could teach them to be straight.

Obedience schools train animals with behavioral problems. As Americans who love their dogs have increasingly emotionalized them and come to see them as family members, complete with complex psychological lives and histories, they feel more and more anxious and guilty about them. Imagine the horror of walking your dog through the neighborhood and discover your pet enjoys same sex partners. As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621)

Bullshit. You can teach a dog not to hump other male dogs, or female dogs, whichever, but that doesn't mean it doesn't want to. You can teach them not to jump up, or bark when the doorbell goes. That doesn't make the desire to do so any less.

Besides, we're obviously talking about your homophobia here, not biology.

My own feelings are that male homophobes are giving their unspoken agreement to the militant feminist idea that men are all born rapists. Why else would a straight man be afraid of a gay one? Get over yourself.

rediculous flaming
yeah, his sort tend to revert to that. whenever he makes a personal attack, you can roughly translate it as follows:

"i have suddenly become aware that i have nothing supporting my ill-conceived views, and your points have displayed my mistake for the whole forum to see. rather than attempting to respond to you with reason (which would be hard, and probably wouldn't work) i am going to make a personal attack against you in the hopes that character assassination will succeed where my arguments have failed. i am banking on the idea that readers will be stupid enough to fall for such a transparent device."

yeah, his sort tend to revert to that. whenever he makes a personal attack, you can roughly translate it as follows:

"i have suddenly become aware that i have nothing supporting my ill-conceived views, and your points have displayed my mistake for the whole forum to see. rather than attempting to respond to you with reason (which would be hard, and probably wouldn't work) i am going to make a personal attack against you in the hopes that character assassination will succeed where my arguments have failed. i am banking on the idea that readers will be stupid enough to fall for such a transparent device."

Ooh very perceptive.

It's funny when people think there prejudice is justified. Or when prejudice people get offended when people don't like them. They do the "Hey your hating me, so I can hate gays". I don't know how they come to that conclusion. Like the guy who did the 'slippery slope' routine from gay marriage to marrying animals. The extreme desperation kinda makes you think there not very happy with there own lives. Oh well. Hate is hate. Love is love.

Ooh very perceptive.

It's funny when people think there prejudice is justified. Or when prejudice people get offended when people don't like them. They do the "Hey your hating me, so I can hate gays". I don't know how they come to that conclusion. Like the guy who did the 'slippery slope' routine from gay marriage to marrying animals. The extreme desperation kinda makes you think there not very happy with there own lives. Oh well. Hate is hate. Love is love.
what ammuses me is that he thinks children will suffer if raised with the values my parents gave me, which are that marriage and love are about more than sex. he seems to think children will be better off if they only choose a partner based on who will be best to breed with, and if they found their marriage on baby-making alone. i'm not going to play amateur shrink here, but it does seem somewhat suggestive about his own relationships; i mean, if he sees loveless procreative sex as the epitome of human relationships, then what kind of "love" life must he be suffering through?

You cannot compare the "training" of a dog to human homosexuality. For starters, the dog is only refusing to carry out behavioural acts that it knows it will be punished for, so it is coersion. If the dog really is homosexual, then it will still remain homosexual even if expression of that has been supressed by "training".

Homosexuality is also not a behavioural "problem" as you effectively suggest, and implying that homosexuals should go to "behavioural training school" in order for people like you to try and "correct" their behaviour is an appauling stance. I fail to understand the constant attempts to get involved in other peoples' lives, the anti-homosexual brigade seems to like talking about homosexuality more than anyone else (as well as interfering in the lives of people of different sexual orientation)

A realistic definition for homophobia would be HOMO: a genus species of extinct and extant humans. - PHOBIA: means fear. It would mean a "Fear
of Humans". But it isn't a real word. Homophobia is a slang term used
against people who disagree with gay behavior - it isn't really a clinical
definition - it is a slur.
No darling. Fear of humans is Anthropophobia. (Not to be confused with Anthophobia)

The 'Homo-' part is derived from Homosexual, and the 'Homo-' in that mean, 'The same.' ie attracted to the same (as opposed to heterosexual where hetero- means different).

makes no sense at all

Here Sparky, Sparky ... put away that pink scarf. :p

There's something bigotted about a
person finding homosexuality disgusting?

Why don't you just call me a bigot
for not liking cherry chordials?

Why not claim everyone who
doesn't like Kwanza as a racist?

This is about finding a cure for those unloved gay teens.

The 'cure' is for people like you to love them FOR WHO THEY ARE, not for who they are attracted to.

Face it, homosexuals aren't the problem. You are the problem, and people who share your views are the problem, and until you all change, the problem will not go away.

Noone ever used shock therapy on homosexual behavior.
And yeah Letila homophobia is a made up word, it isn't real.

All words are 'made up'.

Homophobia is less made up than many, since it has very specific roots; 'homo' meaning 'same' (in this case 'same gender'), and 'phobia', meaning an irrational fear or dislike of'.

Thus, a homophobe is someone with an irrational fear or dislike of those with a preference for the same gender.

Or, as in most cases, of anal sex. As if a fear/dislike of homosexuals wasn't irrational *enough* :rolleyes:

A realistic definition for homophobia would be HOMO: a genus species of extinct and extant humans. - PHOBIA: means fear. It would mean a "Fear
of Humans". But it isn't a real word. Homophobia is a slang term used
against people who disagree with gay behavior - it isn't really a clinical
definition - it is a slur.

The root 'HOMO' has nothing to do with 'human'.

It refers to 'same', as I have already mentioned.

Homosexuality is not 'love of man', it is 'love of the SAME gender'

'Homo sapiens' just muddies the water (I forget what the explination for it is, in fact)

You can train your dog not to be stupid, why not Sukafitz?

There's something bigotted about a
person finding homosexuality disgusting?

Why don't you just call me a bigot
for not liking cherry chordials?

Why not claim everyone who
doesn't like Kwanza as a racist?

This is about finding a cure for those unloved gay teens.

*ahem*

big·ot ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bgt)
n.

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

You can train your dog not to be stupid, why not Sukafitz?
Dog has the edge in intelligence though

Might be harder

by the time you find out your kid is gay he is too old to beat with a rolled up newspaper

Yes at that point you have to use something heavier :)

You can train your dog not to be stupid, why not Sukafitz?

Mayhaps he is lacking in some physiological structure? Part of the brain?

I don't know, dog brain-structure isn't exactly one of my strengths...

Yes at that point you have to use something heavier :)

Like the papers given to you by the nice Child Protection Services people?

Don't be gay Sparky

Don't be gay Sparky

Awwww... you don't want poor Sparky to be happy*? Poor Sparky...

-dials the RSPCA on the sly-





*lame-joke-explaination: gay == happy; joyful; etc

Don't be gay Sparky
We better take him to big gay al's animal shelter

We had to face that our Harvey was gay when we caught him in the back garden doing the *unspeakable* with our neighbours dog Jack. We allow him to have the pink diamante coller and tutus he was been longing for and we're now very proud of our homosexual dog!

Obedience schools train animals with behavioral problems. As Americans who love their dogs have increasingly emotionalized them and come to see them as family members, complete with complex psychological lives and histories, they feel more and more anxious and guilty about them. Imagine the horror of walking your dog through the neighborhood and discover your pet enjoys same sex partners. As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621)

are you saying that homosexuality is a behivioural problem?

:)

Sit Ubu sit... good dog.

Someone will train their dogs to not be gay

because it is wrong,

so why not teach their gay kid too?

Seriously, some of you act like I'm commiting blasphemy.

Someone will train their dogs to not be gay

And someone will "train their dogs not to black labs".

You can beat a dog until they no longer display the behaviour you don't want, but that most emphatically does not mean they are not what they are.

because it is wrong,

In what way?

so why not teach their gay kid too?

Because homosexual behavior is generally not learned, but is inate. And because no sane, moral person would want to force another person to be what they are not.

Seriously, some of you act like I'm commiting blasphemy.

Nope. You aren't commiting blasphemy. Just being ignorant.

(to Sukafitz)

*exaggerated sigh*

Well for one, animals/pets tend to be viewed as property, and if you view your kids as property, you'd probably be better giving them up to foster care, so they have at least SOME chance of having good parents.

What about incest? We still seek to cure that. These people have an
inate sexual desire to have sex with family members - it occurs with dogs and
in nature commonly. Why would we consider that wrong, but not homosexual
behavior? I don't like incest because it is disgusting behavior, and it's the
same way I feel about homosexual acts. Would you call me a bigot for not
agreeing with people who have incest? I guess you would.

What about incest? We still seek to cure that. These people have an
inate sexual desire to have sex with family members - it occurs with dogs and
in nature commonly. Why would we consider that wrong, but not homosexual
behavior? I don't like incest because it is disgusting behavior, and it's the
same way I feel about homosexual acts. Would you call me a bigot for not
agreeing with people who have incest? I guess you would.

What no rebutals? Are you stumped so easily?

What about incest? We still seek to cure that.

That's going to depend on the social context. Some societies have incest taboos, while others actually require it of certain people (royalty, anyone?). Furthermore it will depend on exactly how you define incest - 1st cousins? Further? Or what?


These people have an
inate sexual desire to have sex with family members - it occurs with dogs and
in nature commonly. Why would we consider that wrong, but not homosexual
behavior? I don't like incest because it is disgusting behavior, and it's the
same way I feel about homosexual acts. Would you call me a bigot for not
agreeing with people who have incest? I guess you would.


Again, you'll need to clarify exactly what you mean. Do you comnsider 1st cousin sex incest? 1st cousin marriage?

Here's a good site on incest taboos. (http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/personality_disorders/narcissism/incest.html)

However, to make the link you want, you'll have to show that incest is not an inate sexual behaviour as gender is.

What about incest? We still seek to cure that. These people have an
inate sexual desire to have sex with family members - it occurs with dogs and
in nature commonly. Why would we consider that wrong, but not homosexual
behavior? I don't like incest because it is disgusting behavior, and it's the
same way I feel about homosexual acts. Would you call me a bigot for not
agreeing with people who have incest? I guess you would.What no rebutals? Are you stumped so easily?

:confused: Did you expect to rebut yourself????

You can train your dog not to be stupid, why not Sukafitz?

A dog's smarter.

You're really struggling for a clear answer. If you want to accept
homosexuality then you must also accept brother on sister sex.

You have siblings that engage in this practice, they're both adults,
they both have argeed to do it. It's a natural phenomenon amongst
animals and the only objections would be because of the morality
behind it.

The same definitions you provide when you label me a bigot because
I don't agree with gay behavior. You're ignorant to call anyone who
disproves of homosexual acts a bigot. It would be the same as calling
me a bigot for disproving of incest.

Hey, it doesn't bother me, and father/mother with daughter/son is guarded against with our laws on paedophilia.

I may not want to take part in it, but it doesn't negatively impact my life, ergo, I have no real problem with it.

Obedience schools train animals with behavioral problems. As Americans who love their dogs have increasingly emotionalized them and come to see them as family members, complete with complex psychological lives and histories, they feel more and more anxious and guilty about them. Imagine the horror of walking your dog through the neighborhood and discover your pet enjoys same sex partners. As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621)

Oh, and as mentioned above, I couldn't find the book you seem to be talking about. And the SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621) you site: "Is Your Dog Fulfilled?
Herding classes, obedience school, play dates, day care—pretty soon you'll be taking your dog to ballet lessons." has absolutely nothing to do with has nothing to to, as far as I can see, with homosexual behaviour in dogs.
If you can actually findthat book, or extract anythiong regarding canine sexual behaviour from your source, please let the rest of us know.

It wasn't a problem for anyone else to find that book.

Also I wasn't talking about pedophilia at all.
I was talking about brother on sister intercourse.
I can use the same arguements you use for homosexuality with this.
It occurs in nature, it's their choice, it doesn't bother anyone.
Yet people still find it sickening and/or immoral.

Some of you lack the understanding that a person's feelings
towards homosexuality are not bigotted, just as the feeling
for incest is not bigotted.

These attacks on me for not approving of gayity is what's wrong.
You're the bigots.

You're really struggling for a clear answer. If you want to accept
homosexuality then you must also accept brother on sister sex.

You have siblings that engage in this practice, they're both adults,
they both have argeed to do it. It's a natural phenomenon amongst
animals and the only objections would be because of the morality
behind it.

as long as all parties involved are consenting (and therefore, by definition, adults as well), i don't have any problem with the right to incestuous relationships. i personally think they are indicative of some pretty serious problems within a family, but i am not about to try to dictate what consenting adults do in their bedrooms. i don't see any reason to deny them marital rights, either, since it's not my business to pass judgment on peoples' choice in partners.

It wasn't a problem for anyone else to find that book.

actually, somebody else on the thread complained about not being able to find it. i also cannot find it. anybody want to come forward saying they HAVE found it?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=%22beating+a+gay+horse%22

Waddaya know.

I have no problem with incest, or with any sexual act, or any act at all, come to that, as long as it involves consenting adults.

the problem with incest is that while ONE sibling may have a "natural" desire for sex with another sibling, the other seldom does and has to be co-erced (or forced) into it. the incidence of incest is fairly rare (way more than is good for society) but the incidence of incest where one of the partners was not forced into it as a child is vanishingly rare in siblings who were raised together. the incidence of incest that starts only when both siblings are full fledged rational adults is rarer yet.

if you find your underaged children engaging in sex you do indeed "train it out of them" through dicipline. this occurs no matter what form of sex it might happen to be. until they reach the age where those matters are up to them. then you can't train them at all, they can just move out.

so why are you pretending that you found this book and why are you pretending that you provided a link that added anything to your arguement?

Homosexuality is a NORMAL feeling that some people have, you cannot train someone to no thave feelings for members of the same sex. Unfortunately we have homophobic wan*ers like some people on this forum that has obvious limited intelligence and can't understand that.

You're really struggling for a clear answer. If you want to accept
homosexuality then you must also accept brother on sister sex.

You have siblings that engage in this practice, they're both adults,
they both have argeed to do it. It's a natural phenomenon amongst
animals and the only objections would be because of the morality
behind it.

The same definitions you provide when you label me a bigot because
I don't agree with gay behavior. You're ignorant to call anyone who
disproves of homosexual acts a bigot. It would be the same as calling
me a bigot for disproving of incest.


SO long as incest and homosexuality are the same thing, but aren't so ignorant may alos be appropos in this case.

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[QUOTE=Ashmoria]the problem with incest is that while ONE sibling may have a "natural" desire for sex with another sibling, the other seldom does and has to be co-erced (or forced) into it. the incidence of incest is fairly rare (way more than is good for society) but the incidence of incest where one of the partners was not forced into it as a child is vanishingly rare in siblings who were raised together. the incidence of incest that starts only when both siblings are full fledged rational adults is rarer yet.QUOTE]

Alot of you are mistaking incest for rape and pedophilia.
I'm using the notion of a brother and sister consenting.
Your explaining that consensual incest is rare doesn't have
any merit. Pornographic films offer millions of fantasy
videos containing such taboo subjects. But I don't want
to illustrate the commonalities of incest in our world.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/images/mind/disgust/morescience_disgust/expression.jpg

The idea that a person is disgusted by these acts does
not make them ignorant, irrational, or bigotted. I use the
incest subject to help clarify that for you. A disgust for
homosexual behavior is as normal as a gay persons disgust
for heterosexual acts. Just because you don't agree with it
doesn't make you a bigot.

[QUOTE=Ashmoria]the problem with incest is that while ONE sibling may have a "natural" desire for sex with another sibling, the other seldom does and has to be co-erced (or forced) into it. the incidence of incest is fairly rare (way more than is good for society) but the incidence of incest where one of the partners was not forced into it as a child is vanishingly rare in siblings who were raised together. the incidence of incest that starts only when both siblings are full fledged rational adults is rarer yet.QUOTE]

Alot of you are mistaking incest for rape and pedophilia.
I'm using the notion of a brother and sister consenting.
Your explaining that consensual incest is rare doesn't have
any merit. Pornographic films offer millions of fantasy
videos containing such taboo subjects. But I don't want
to illustrate the commonalities of incest in our world.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/images/mind/disgust/morescience_disgust/expression.jpg

The idea that a person is disgusted by these acts does
not make them ignorant, irrational, or bigotted. I use the
incest subject to help clarify that for you. A disgust for
homosexual behavior is as normal as a gay persons disgust
for heterosexual acts. Just because you don't agree with it
doesn't make you a bigot.
you think we're retarded

im sure its very fun to pretend about these things and get people all worked up but really NO ONE is going to believe that you think porn videos represent the truth.

actually ALL sex is disgusting when you think about it being done by someone else. most people cringe at the mention of their parents or grandparents having sex. that doesnt mean that it really IS wrong for old people to have sex now does it.

The idea that a person is disgusted by these acts does
not make them ignorant, irrational, or bigotted. I use the
incest subject to help clarify that for you. A disgust for
homosexual behavior is as normal as a gay persons disgust
for heterosexual acts. Just because you don't agree with it
doesn't make you a bigot.

It's part where you say it's wrong because you don't like it that makes a bigot.

It's part where you say it's wrong because you don't like it that makes a bigot.

Yeah, but I didn't say that.

Yeah, but I didn't say that.

See the first two pages for your attempts to rationalize that idea.
The tone of your posts and the intent behind them is unmistakable.

See the first two pages for your attempts to rationalize that idea.
The tone of your posts and the intent behind them is unmistakable.

So because you think I'm thinking that, then it must be true?

I started this by having fun, which was obvious to most. I used
the idea that owners find something wrong with the gay behavior
in their animals, but are supposed to accept it with their own children.

Eventually it became me teaching people that a lack
of tolerance does not confirm belligerance nor bigotry.

That most of you that are inclined to tolerate the beliefs,
practices, or traits of others were attacking people that
feel that homosexuality is gross. It's hypocritical.

Most everone missed these points.

"Alot of you are mistaking incest for rape and pedophilia."

No you are using a rather insipid example for your argument. Just about 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of "incest" cases involve rape and or pedophilia.

"I'm using the notion of a brother and sister consenting.
Your explaining that consensual incest is rare doesn't have
any merit."

Actually she is correct. Can you even name a case? I will wait while you google.....

"Pornographic films offer millions of fantasy
videos containing such taboo subjects. But I don't want
to illustrate the commonalities of incest in our world."

And your point is?

"The idea that a person is disgusted by these acts does
not make them ignorant, irrational, or bigotted."

Sure it does. Especially when it does not pertain to them and or is not directly affected by them.

"I use the incest subject to help clarify that for you."

And it was a very weak example to justify your cause.

"A disgust for homosexual behavior is as normal as a gay persons disgust
for heterosexual acts. Just because you don't agree with it
doesn't make you a bigot."

You really don't know many gay people now do you? Disgust only covers a few homosexuals. Most simply cringe at the thought of having sex with the opposite sex.

The big difference is the fact they aren't not trying to segregate you and an enact laws against you, attack you.....

Yes you are a bigot.

See what I mean.

Sukafitz: There are three key differences between homosexuality and incest that invalidate your argument.

First, as has already been mentioned in this thread, the vast majority of incestuous relationships are not between consenting adults; one member is often coerced or forced. This is why, in the debate on abortion, people make exceptions for "rape and incest."

Second, incest, depending on the nature of the blood relationship between the partners, carries a heavy risk of genetic mutation in what offspring might be borne, and weakens the gene pool overall. People oppose incest out of concern for the well-being of the next generation. Homosexuality does not carry that burden, as homosexual couples will either adopt or make use of surrogate/IVF technologies in order to raise children.

Third, current scientific research is largely in agreement that homosexuality is at least a partially, if not wholly, born-in trait; not something that is learned or develops incidentally. I have, as yet, seen no evidence that incestuous individuals can be described in the same way. I am willing to admit I could be wrong in this, so if you know of legitimate research that states otherwise, please do link it.

I find incest distasteful, but more due to the above reasons than personal disgust. Additionally, you have yet to give a reason why your disgust for homosexuality should mean that your (or anyone's) homosexual children should be "taught" to be heterosexual.

Sukafitz:
Third, current scientific research is largely in agreement that homosexuality is at least a partially, if not wholly, born-in trait; not something that is learned or develops incidentally. I have, as yet, seen no evidence that incestuous individuals can be described in the same way. I am willing to admit I could be wrong in this, so if you know of legitimate research that states otherwise, please do link it.

I find incest distasteful, but more due to the above reasons than personal disgust. Additionally, you have yet to give a reason why your disgust for homosexuality should mean that your (or anyone's) homosexual children should be "taught" to be heterosexual.

Don't forget a rationale way it could be acheived other than physical violence and lies. Wow Sukafitz REALLLY has us against the wall doesn't he....

So because you think I'm thinking that, then it must be true?

I started this by having fun, which was obvious to most. I used
the idea that owners find something wrong with the gay behavior
in their animals, but are supposed to accept it with their own children.


Most "gay" actions in animals is a form of dominance. It does not constite homosexuality.


Eventually it became me teaching people that a lack
of tolerance does not confirm belligerance nor bigotry.

Actually you and your examples are bigotry.

Tolerance is basically saying "Meh" at hearing about gay people
Bigotry is saying that is disgusting.
Ignorance is saying that aceptance will cause incest and beastiality.


That most of you that are inclined to tolerate the beliefs,
practices, or traits of others were attacking people that
feel that homosexuality is gross. It's hypocritical.

Most everone missed these points.

Well it's a case that you can't argue your case and you offer insipid arguements to justify your stance.

Homosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces pleasure for the homosexuals and nothing else. Heterosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces children and continues life.

Which is better?

Also, why should they be able to force their false interpretation of marriage upon an entire country?

Homosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces pleasure for the homosexuals and nothing else. Heterosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces children and continues life.

Which is better?
But hetrosexual sex is barely ever performed as intended. Your argument is disclosed here. If you stop unintended sex, I tell ya buddy, your gonna piss off alot of straight people. And tell every man he can't masturbate and then tell all the porn companies there gettin closed downed. Sorry to be blatant but try and get with an actual picture not the picket fence, sex under floral sheets crap you just posted.

Homosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces pleasure for the homosexuals and nothing else. Heterosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces children and continues life.

Which is better?

Hetrosexual sex produces homosexuals.
Hetrosexual sex is also performed for pleasure.

Humanity does not have to worry about extinction from a homosexuality.

Homosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces pleasure for the homosexuals and nothing else. Heterosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces children and continues life.

Which is better?

actually, most heterosexual sex does not produce children. only an extremely small percentage of heterosexual sex produces children, in fact. and there are plenty of people, like myself, who never intend to have our sex result in children. should we be forbidden to marry? should those who are infertile be told their sexual relationships are unimportant and undeserving of recognition?

Also, why should they be able to force their false interpretation of marriage upon an entire country?
yeah, and why should niggers be allowed to marry good, clean white women? the Bible specifically prohibits inter-racial relations, even going so far as to say that multiracial individuals shouldn't be allowed in Church, so why should we let these false, missegination marriages be recognized by law?

Sukafitz: There are three key differences between homosexuality and incest that invalidate your argument.

First, as has already been mentioned in this thread, the vast majority of incestuous relationships are not between consenting adults; one member is often coerced or forced. This is why, in the debate on abortion, people make exceptions for "rape and incest."

Second, incest, depending on the nature of the blood relationship between the partners, carries a heavy risk of genetic mutation in what offspring might be borne, and weakens the gene pool overall. People oppose incest out of concern for the well-being of the next generation. Homosexuality does not carry that burden, as homosexual couples will either adopt or make use of surrogate/IVF technologies in order to raise children.

Third, current scientific research is largely in agreement that homosexuality is t least a partially, if not wholly, born-in trait; not something that is learned or evelops incidentally. I have, as yet, seen no evidence that incestuous ndividuals can be described in the same way. I am willing to admit I could be rong in this, so if you know of legitimate research that states otherwise, please do link it.

I find incest distasteful, but more due to the above reasons than personal disgust. Additionally, you have yet to give a reason why your disgust for
homosexuality should mean that your (or anyone's) homosexual children should be "taught" to be heterosexual.

We've already gone over all of this. I'm still talking about consensuality.
Sure there is rape incured through incest, but there is rape incured through
homosexuality too - so I'm not talking about rape.

I'm showing an idea which almost everybody is disgusted by; that is incest...
particularly "consensual incest", it is disgusting for us to think about having
sex with my siblings, and it is disgusting for us to think about having intercourse
with same sex partners.

Yet the thought of calling someone a bigot for being disgusted by incest isn't
any different than calling people homophobic bigots for not liking the thought
of gay sex. The thought of someone declaring incest as immoral should be
examined in the same way they find homosexuality immoral.

I started this by having fun, which was obvious to most.


Fun by deliberately slandering a group of people on an issue you know is controversial? We call this trolling.

I'm not buying this "lol it was a joke" backtracking going on here.


I used the idea that owners find something wrong with the gay behavior
in their animals, but are supposed to accept it with their own children.


Who's "owners"?


Eventually it became me teaching people that a lack
of tolerance does not confirm belligerance nor bigotry.


If that isn't bigotry, nothing is.
You don't have to like it, but you need to recognize that people disagree with your ideas on a rational basis and you need to accept that.
You don't have a right to persecute them for it.


That most of you that are inclined to tolerate the beliefs,
practices, or traits of others were attacking people that
feel that homosexuality is gross. It's hypocritical.


No, that's not what was happening at all. People were attacking the ideas you presented against homosexuality.

We've already gone over all of this. I'm still talking about consensuality.
Sure there is rape incured through incest, but there is rape incured through
homosexuality too - so I'm not talking about rape.

I'm showing an idea which almost everybody is disgusted by; that is incest...
particularly "consensual incest", it is disgusting for us to think about having
sex with my siblings, and it is disgusting for us to think about having intercourse
with same sex partners.

Yet the thought of calling someone a bigot for being disgusted by incest isn't
any different than calling people homophobic bigots for not liking the thought
of gay sex. The thought of someone declaring incest as immoral should be
examined in the same way they find homosexuality immoral.

Your comparisons are wine to water. It's like me saying "I'm disgusted by death, and I'm disgusted by poodles, so give poodles the chair!"

Haha I see your getting bad, you had to go back a bit to find a post you even had a chance at replying with...and the survey says...

Also, why should they be able to force their false interpretation of marriage upon an entire country?

Wowwww they are going to force me to divorse my wife and marry a guy!

Must of missed that one! :rolleyes:

Civil unions will not hurt relgious marriage.

Not that marriage in this country has anything to brag about. What is about 50-60% divorse rate these days?

We've already gone over all of this. I'm still talking about consensuality.
Sure there is rape incured through incest, but there is rape incured through
homosexuality too - so I'm not talking about rape.

I'm showing an idea which almost everybody is disgusted by; that is incest...
particularly "consensual incest", it is disgusting for us to think about having
sex with my siblings, and it is disgusting for us to think about having intercourse
with same sex partners.

Yet the thought of calling someone a bigot for being disgusted by incest isn't
any different than calling people homophobic bigots for not liking the thought
of gay sex. The thought of someone declaring incest as immoral should be
examined in the same way they find homosexuality immoral.
for once, you are quite right. as long as all parties are consenting, there is no more grounds for prohibiting incest than there is for prohibiting homosexual relationships. the argument that incestuous relationships increase the likelihood of genetic disorders isn't valid, either, because we allow people who are carriers for genetic disorders to have children even though they have a far greater chance of having sick children than an incestuous couple would.

Homosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces pleasure for the homosexuals and nothing else. Heterosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces children and continues life.

Which is better?
I fail to see how this has relevance. The world is heading for overpopulation as it is; it would be a good thing if more people decided to abstain fro having children. This stance also ignores the research stating that homosexuality is (at least partially) an inborn trait, and not a choice.

Also, why should they be able to force their false interpretation of marriage upon an entire country?
Why should you be able to force yours? You aren't being required to change anything about your marriage (if you're married, or your potential future marriage if not). Marriage as a religious institution should be left to the individual churches to define anyway (so that no church be allowed to force their interpretation of marriage upon others), and the government should grant civil unions to all for the legal/tax benefits (to do otherwise is discriminatory and infringing upon people's rights; this is not a morality issue as it has been framed, it is a rights issue).

for once, you are quite right. as long as all parties are consenting, there is no more grounds for prohibiting incest than there is for prohibiting homosexual relationships. the argument that incestuous relationships increase the likelihood of genetic disorders isn't valid, either, because we allow people who are carriers for genetic disorders to have children even though they have a far greater chance of having sick children than an incestuous couple would.

The thing is there are far more homosexuals to fight for there rights than there are for incest supporters. Try and find a homosexual, easy, try and find someone performing incest, your just not going to.

We've already gone over all of this. I'm still talking about consensuality.
Sure there is rape incured through incest, but there is rape incured through
homosexuality too - so I'm not talking about rape.

I'm showing an idea which almost everybody is disgusted by; that is incest...
particularly "consensual incest", it is disgusting for us to think about having
sex with my siblings, and it is disgusting for us to think about having intercourse
with same sex partners.

Actually most people tend to not even think about it.


Yet the thought of calling someone a bigot for being disgusted by incest isn't
any different than calling people homophobic bigots for not liking the thought
of gay sex. The thought of someone declaring incest as immoral should be
examined in the same way they find homosexuality immoral.

Nope sorry. Nobody yells bigotry at incest. They yell "Oh you are from Kentucky!" ;) Incest is bad mojo genetically. The Royals of old Europe are an example.

So again a weak example against homosexuality.

Not sure that this has been said as I only got about half way through the posts before I thought I needed to repond.

The thearapy does not stop you dog being 'gay', it simply means that there is a strong enough association with negative things that the reward is no longer worth following the natural behaviour. Trying this with humans results in a truly screwed up adult. Consensual sex is natural and people need to stop being afraid of others because they lead different lives.

ill admit to being bigoted against those who engage in incest. i would avoid such a person in all forms of social interaction.

so now are you wrong?

I'm sure it really hits home for you Bottle... growing up unloved by family & friends & and animals because you chose to be lesbian democrat. Let's not let your childhood happen to the next generation. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, these kids have a chance to mature in a loving, healthier environment, quite different than your own.

Sukafitz, this is a personal attack. WARNED.

I'm sure it really hits home for you Bottle... growing up unloved by family & friends & and animals because you chose to be lesbian democrat. Let's not let your childhood happen to the next generation. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, these kids have a chance to mature in a loving, healthier environment, quite different than your own.
Bottle isn't a lesbian democrat. She's a straight libertarian. You're thinking of Tuesday Heights.

If a homosexual's family doesn't love them because of their orientation, it's the family's problem, not the person's. If we abandoned homophobia we could raise all kids in a loving, healthier environment. Whether they turn out gay or straight.

P.S. the idea that you can turn gay people straight lost all final shreds of credibility in the early 1970s. It's just not realistic.

Millions of teens behave gay because it's a "fad" in some places.
There are no such fads and no such places. One of the problems with being gay as I see it is the horrible discrimination found almost everywhere. I am not going to tolerate intolerance.

Why did you post a pic of Elijah "Frodo" Wood with this?

Actually most people tend to not even think about it.
Could Sukafitz secretly be a nymphomaniac? ;)

There's something bigotted about a
person finding homosexuality disgusting?
That's not bigoted. Imposing your "morality" on homosexuals is bigotry.

Anyway I do remember hearing a long time ago about some male homosexuals that did convert to straightness. They found their girlfriends very attractive and had no interest in men. Lesbians, typically, are feminist man-haters rather than woman-lovers, so I doubt there's a chance of converting them.
If they had no interest in men they were never gay. Lesbian couples actually do love each other. You're just spouting BS.

by the time you find out your kid is gay he is too old to beat with a rolled up newspaper
lol

Sukafitz, I too am personally disgusted by homosexual acts. I could not imagine having sex with another man, and the thought of it is just frankly gross to me.

HOWEVER, the difference between you and me is that I don't give a damn what other people do, I accept them for who they are and support them in whatever relationship they may be in, without passing judgement on them. I see nothing wrong with homosexuality, it is natural and a great number of my friends are homosexual or bisexual. I would fight for their freedom to marry whom they wish, and preach tolerance to those who attack them.

THAT is why YOU are the bigot, and I am not.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Homosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces pleasure for the homosexuals and nothing else. Heterosexual sex, when performed as intended, produces children and continues life.

Which is better?

Well, I don't wanna have kids right now, so I'm going to say homosexual sex ;)

Sukafitz, I too am personally disgusted by homosexual acts. I could not imagine having sex with another man, and the thought of it is just frankly gross to me.

HOWEVER, the difference between you and me is that I don't give a damn what other people do, I accept them for who they are and support them in whatever relationship they may be in, without passing judgement on them. I see nothing wrong with homosexuality, it is natural and a great number of my friends are homosexual or bisexual. I would fight for their freedom to marry whom they wish, and preach tolerance to those who attack them.

THAT is why YOU are the bigot, and I am not.

Hope that clears it up for you.
Bravo! Good to see people like you around, who've realized the essential difference between "I don't personally like this" and "this is wrong."

It wasn't a problem for anyone else to find that book.

:confused:

No such book exists. I checked on Amazon.com, then I put the title into a search engine and came up with nothing. Furthermore, the link he provided contains no mention of homosexuality - in animals or people. This is pure trolling.


Google ing for Jon Katz "Beating A Gay Horse" (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Jon+Katz+%22Beating+A+Gay+Horse%22&btnG=Google+Search) says Your search - Jon Katz "Beating A Gay Horse" - did not match any documents.

Google ing for Jon Katz "Beating A Gay Horse" (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22Beating+A+Gay+Horse%22&btnG=Search) says Your search - "Beating A Gay Horse" - did not match any documents.

An Amazon search (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dstripbooks%26field-keywords%3Djon%252520Katz%252520%252522Beating%252520A%252520Gay%252520Horse%252522%26store-name%3Dbooks/102-3632540-6282510) says: Books search results: we were unable to find exact matches for your search for jon Katz "Beating A Gay Horse" .

Can you provide any evidence at all that the book exists?

Many of you are just jumping to conclusions, such as bringing up morals.
I've never had a moral problem with homosexuality. Morality is no different
than defining what is normal - you can't define it.

This has evolved into the hypocracy of being open-minded, but only if it
appeals to popular opinion.

Katganistan, where does that read as an attack. There are posters who
obviously aren't reading these discussions and are calling me a bigot, but
you jump on me for that innocent communication between me & Bottle??
Ridiculous!

Amazon dot com doesn't carry alot of controversial books, look elsewhere.

http://www.zonicweb.net/badalbmcvrs/gaydogs.jpg

Amazon dot com doesn't carry alot of controversial books, look elsewhere.

I'll take that as "No, I can't provide any evidence for the existance of this book."

Oh, and Bottle and Rubbish Stuff posted that they couldn't find it either. Bottle specifoally asked for someone who has found it to come forward, and no one has. The only person claiming this book exists is you. And Amazon may not carry it, but Google should have found it.

Instead of posting BS like this, wouldn't it be easier if you advocated the use of genetic research to locate and destroy the homosexual gene?

I have just searched through a few search engines that together have over half of the internet indexed. Either the book simply does not exist (though Jon Catz does, is an author, and has written a couple of books that relate to dogs), or no pages over the greater bulk of the entire internet contain links, comments, or any other reference to this supposedly "controversial" book.

Conclusion: If Sukafitz does not provide concrete proof of the book's existance, it can be assumed that the book does not exist.

What about incest? We still seek to cure that. These people have an
inate sexual desire to have sex with family members - it occurs with dogs and
in nature commonly. Why would we consider that wrong, but not homosexual
behavior? I don't like incest because it is disgusting behavior, and it's the
same way I feel about homosexual acts. Would you call me a bigot for not
agreeing with people who have incest? I guess you would.

Incest has actual reasons for being bad.

Essentially (because I'm not explaining basic high school biology to you), the more variation in a population, the stronger that population is genetically. Children of a brother-sister (or other incestual pair) shair many genes, and if a population consists of many people with similar genes, they are at a greater risk of being wiped out by a disease or environmental pressure. Varied genes mean that the likelyhood of their being many individuals able to survive the disease/pressure is much greater - which means the population will be able to survive and regrow.

Homosexuality poses no such genetic threat to a population, and there is no reason to try and wipe it out.

I've got that book!

Jon Katz,
Beating A Gay Horse,
copyright 1989
published by Antioch Publishing
1989, 1995, 1999

I've got that book!

Jon Katz,
Beating A Gay Horse,
copyright 1989
published by Antioch Publishing
1989, 1995, 1999
Prove it, please. I have yet to see any mention of Jon Katz in conjunction with Antioch Publishing, and my continued efforts to locate the book have been in vain. Provide a link that we can look at, or at least a photo of the book itself.

I have that book sitting right here what's wrong with it?

What's wrong with it is that there is, evidently, no trace of it to be found, and as such there is no reason for people such as myself to believe that the book, which formed a large portion of Sufakitz's original premise,a ctually exists.

I just said I own that book. I'll make a copy of the cover and upload it on the internet.

I just said I own that book. I'll make a copy of the cover and upload it on the internet.

Please do.

The only Antioch Publishing (http://www.antioch.com/index.html) I can find doesn't seem to publish books. They list their product line as: bookplates, bookmarks, journals, diaries, address books, wallet cards, magnets, sketchbooks, notepads, and other book accessory, gift, and stationary items.

I've got that book!

Jon Katz,
Beating A Gay Horse,
copyright 1989
published by Antioch Publishing
1989, 1995, 1999

A google search on Antioch Publishing and Jon Katz turns up nothing. Searching Jon Katz turns up an author who has written extensively about dogs, but no titles matching the one you gave. In fact, googling the words "gay" "dog" and "jon katz" turn up nothing conclusive.

I think you're shitting us.

I'm showing an idea which almost everybody is disgusted by; that is incest...
particularly "consensual incest", it is disgusting for us to think about having
sex with my siblings, and it is disgusting for us to think about having intercourse
with same sex partners.

Yet the thought of calling someone a bigot for being disgusted by incest isn't
any different than calling people homophobic bigots for not liking the thought
of gay sex. The thought of someone declaring incest as immoral should be
examined in the same way they find homosexuality immoral.
There have been many, many reasons given why this argument is stupid, but I'll give one more. Incest is an act, homosexuality is not. You're confusing sexual acts with sexual orientation.

Yet the thought of calling someone a bigot for being disgusted by incest isn't
any different than calling people homophobic bigots for not liking the thought
of gay sex. The thought of someone declaring incest as immoral should be
examined in the same way they find homosexuality immoral.

There's a difference between being personally disgusted by it (i.e., "I'd never do someone of my own gender") and being disgusted by it unrelated to yourself ("Ewwww, you fucked a chick? Lesbian sicko!"). Big difference. Yep.

Sukafitz, I too am personally disgusted by homosexual acts. I could not imagine having sex with another man, and the thought of it is just frankly gross to me.

HOWEVER, the difference between you and me is that I don't give a damn what other people do, I accept them for who they are and support them in whatever relationship they may be in, without passing judgement on them. I see nothing wrong with homosexuality, it is natural and a great number of my friends are homosexual or bisexual. I would fight for their freedom to marry whom they wish, and preach tolerance to those who attack them.

THAT is why YOU are the bigot, and I am not.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Bravo! Good to see people like you around, who've realized the essential difference between "I don't personally like this" and "this is wrong."
If only all heterosexuals weren't such assholes about homosexuality, we wouldn't even be having this stupid discussion.

Oh, and does anyone else find it suspicious that right after Sukafitz was banned, a new user named DirtyDick comes into this thread claiming to HAVE A COPY of the book SO obscure nothing comes up on google?

Hah.

I've got that book!

Jon Katz,
Beating A Gay Horse,
copyright 1989
published by Antioch Publishing
1989, 1995, 1999

I submit for consideration that 'DirtyDick' may in fact be 'Sukafitz'

Point:
Sukafitz has been banned (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7492540&postcount=13)

Dick shares exactly the same sense of 'humour' (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7492628&postcount=20)

Dick turned up when Sukafitz got banned, and is now posting supporting 'evidence' of Sukafitz' claim

I think I'll keep my healthy level of paranoia, thanks.

If only all heterosexuals weren't such assholes about homosexuality, we wouldn't even be having this stupid discussion.

Oh, and does anyone else find it suspicious that right after Sukafitz was banned, a new user named DirtyDick comes into this thread claiming to HAVE A COPY of the book SO obscure nothing comes up on google?

Hah.

Man, you beat me to it... ah well, my post has supporting evidence so :p

Man, you beat me to it... ah well, my post has supporting evidence so :p
haha, yeah I noticed his posts in the Sukafitz's "Does Anybody Know Dick" thread ("Can you believe Sukafitz got banned because of this topic?") :p

None too subtle.

I'm waiting to see what photoshopped cover Dick posts, or if he magically disappears. :p

I submit for consideration that 'DirtyDick' may in fact be 'Sukafitz'

Point:
Sukafitz has been banned (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7492540&postcount=13)

Dick shares exactly the same sense of 'humour' (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7492628&postcount=20)

Dick turned up when Sukafitz got banned, and is now posting supporting 'evidence' of Sukafitz' claim

I think I'll keep my healthy level of paranoia, thanks.

I think you're right. If his "Does anyone know Dick" and his continued attempts at dick jokes that got him canned are any indication.

You are not training it to be not gay

Rather not to act on it

Not in front of you, anyway. Let's see, if you train a horny dog not to hump your leg, does that mean you've trained it not to try to mate? No, it means you've trained it to behave a certain way when you're around.

I've got that book!

Jon Katz,
Beating A Gay Horse,
copyright 1989
published by Antioch Publishing
1989, 1995, 1999

The only way to prove it is the ISBN code.

I'm waiting to see what photoshopped cover Dick posts, or if he magically disappears. :p

:D Me too.

:D Me too.

I personally think another persona will appear first, to back up the other two.

But then, I'm used to a specific type of troll, from one of the other forums I frequent.

Sexual preference in domesticated animals-dogs, sheep, and cattle -thus far, has been shown to be genetic.

For that reason, it is more likely you can train a dog not to mount other male dogs in your presence, not change their sexual preference.

Traits found to be genetic in other anmals are later found to be genetic in humans as well. So, you can oppress gays into hiding their sexuality like you would your dog if you feel that is right for some immoral reason, but do not think you can force another person to not be gay.

A post on the subject.

UC Davis has research that van be requested on the subject.

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001979.html

Obedience schools train animals with behavioral problems. As Americans who love their dogs have increasingly emotionalized them and come to see them as family members, complete with complex psychological lives and histories, they feel more and more anxious and guilty about them. Imagine the horror of walking your dog through the neighborhood and discover your pet enjoys same sex partners. As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621)

So? Using the same method you can train a dog to be gay. As long as you program the mind early enough, you can do just about anything. In the case of gay men, they usually have overbearing mothers, and cruel older brothers. And this combination has a way of switching on certain channels in the brain. Trying to shut these channels as an adult would be absolutelly impossible.

Obedience schools train animals with behavioral problems. As Americans who love their dogs have increasingly emotionalized them and come to see them as family members, complete with complex psychological lives and histories, they feel more and more anxious and guilty about them. Imagine the horror of walking your dog through the neighborhood and discover your pet enjoys same sex partners. As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621)

This guy scares me, I couldn't imaging doing this to my dog let alone to a human being. That may seem "soft" or "gay" to some people, but think of it this way do you want someone training you to be gay?

Oh and therapy on homosexual dogs may not be wide spread, but up to the 1950s (correct this date if you know the proper one) homosexuality was concidered a mental disorder, it was "treated", unsuccesfully in the vast majority of cases.

If this has already been said forgive me, I couldn't read through the entire thread, the first submission made me want to throw up.

I've got that book!

Jon Katz,
Beating A Gay Horse,
copyright 1989
published by Antioch Publishing
1989, 1995, 1999

Still waiting...;)

I'm a veterinarian and have a Jon Katz collection, and yes that book is in it
but it doesn't talk about training your kids to not be gay. I think this guy is
just messing with us to get everyone arguing.

I'm a veterinarian and have a Jon Katz collection, and yes that book is in it
but it doesn't talk about training your kids to not be gay. I think this guy is
just messing with us to get everyone arguing.
DirtyDick/Sukafitz/TheOneEyedRooster, glad you could make it back! :D

But that book doesn't exist and you know it!

DirtyDick/Sukafitz/TheOneEyedRooster, glad you could make it back! :D

But that book doesn't exist and you know it!

Uhm excuse me? Uh NO. I am a homosexual myself, thank you very much.

SNAP SNAP

I personally think another persona will appear first, to back up the other two.

But then, I'm used to a specific type of troll, from one of the other forums I frequent.

I'm a veterinarian and have a Jon Katz collection, and yes that book is in it
but it doesn't talk about training your kids to not be gay. I think this guy is
just messing with us to get everyone arguing.

Hmm... let's see... that'll be a side of healthy paranoia for me too, thanks.

LOL, Paranoia!

LOL, Gay dogs!

Uhm excuse me? Uh NO. I am a homosexual myself, thank you very much.

SNAP SNAP


Well, you are carrying on the same series of penis jokes (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7499980#post7499980) that helped get your 1st incarnation banned. And DirtyDick's "Anyone ever eaten Grace Foods Cock Flavored Soup?" (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374313) thread carries on in the same vein. Plus the names carrying on in the same vein.
Dare I say you've been caught with your pants down.

Well, you are carrying on the same series of penis jokes (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7499980#post7499980) that helped get your 1st incarnation banned. And DirtyDick's "Anyone ever eaten Grace Foods Cock Flavored Soup?" (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374313) thread carries on in the same vein. Plus the names carrying on in the same vein.
Dare I say you've been caught with your pants down.

LOL - the same vein! LOL

LOL, Penis!

Ok this is discusting, no wait I have a better way to desribe it; MORALLY WRONG!!! Who are we to stand in the way of our childrens futures? If they are meant to be gay, then so be it. No-one has the right to make them feel guilty or ashamed about it. It's wrong. Do you people have no morals? If a child is meant to be a homosexual then that is how they are menat to be, you can't always control your feelings or help who you fall inlove with...

Ok this is discusting, no wait I have a better way to desribe it; MORALLY WRONG!!! Who are we to stand in the way of our childrens futures? If they are meant to be gay, then so be it. No-one has the right to make them feel guilty or ashamed about it. It's wrong. Do you people have no morals? If a child is meant to be a homosexual then that is how they are menat to be, you can't always control your feelings or help who you fall inlove with...

I agree! I don't want my children finding gay crap on the internet! I don't want my kids learning about those disgust gay parades! The dress in s&m clothing in those parades and mimic sexual activity! These sickening people must be stopped!

I agree! I don't want my children finding gay crap on the internet! I don't want my kids learning about those disgust gay parades! The dress in s&m clothing in those parades and mimic sexual activity! These sickening people must be stopped!
Well you sicken me ? does that mean you have to be stoped?

I agree! I don't want my children finding gay crap on the internet! I don't want my kids learning about those disgust gay parades! The dress in s&m clothing in those parades and mimic sexual activity! These sickening people must be stopped!
Umm...did you read the post you quoted and agreed with? Because you're making a drastically different, near-contradictory point.

And Upward Thrust is correct. Just because you find something distasteful doesn't mean it is automatically wrong, harmful, or anything else. it just means you find it distasteful. Live and let live, yes?

This all assumes that homosexuality is a learned behavior....but I doubt it. Most likely it is a genetic abnormality.

According to the book, when your son or daughter is having gay thoughts you train them off those thoughts by rubbing his or her nose in the genitalia of a same sex gay person.

Continue this procedure until the person is no longer gay.

I agree! I don't want my children finding gay crap on the internet! I don't want my kids learning about those disgust gay parades! The dress in s&m clothing in those parades and mimic sexual activity! These sickening people must be stopped!
Suck it.

One troll banned, another takes its place, is it?

Amazon dot com doesn't carry alot of controversial books, look elsewhere.

Okay.

I checked OCLC (the online catalog that most libraries use to access catalog records for books). No record of this book.

The closest thing The new work of dogs by Jon Katz published by Villard in 2003. Library of Congress number 2002-044915.

Since it's not listed in OCLC, it is very likely that it doesn't exist. Considering all books published in the US have to have a copy registered with the Library of Congress to establish copyright, and OCLC lists all books cataloged by the Library of Congress; it's extremely unlikely that this book actually exists. I mean, LC catalogs dissertations and like published for a purely academic interest, so this work being controversial doesn't affect whether or not it'd be listed. Tons of controversial books are in OCLC, just not the ones that don't exist.

And all of that doesn't really matter considering that dogs almost always perform what humans consider homosexual behaviour as a dominance issue, not a sexual issue.

According to the book, when your son or daughter is having gay thoughts you train them off those thoughts by rubbing his or her nose in the genitalia of a same sex gay person.

Continue this procedure until the person is no longer gay.
hahahahahahahahah

ohmyGOD thats nasty!

According to the book, when your son or daughter is having gay thoughts you train them off those thoughts by rubbing his or her nose in the genitalia of a same sex gay person.

Continue this procedure until the person is no longer gay.

That's like stoping promescuity by fucking.

According to the book, when your son or daughter is having gay thoughts you train them off those thoughts by rubbing his or her nose in the genitalia of a same sex gay person.

Continue this procedure until the person is no longer gay.

Actually the book suggests that this behavioral order in dogs occurs because
of boredom. That the basis in training isn't to punish the animal until it stops
the bad behavior, but "bring obedience by encouraging the canine to want to
learn new things".

According to the book, when your son or daughter is having gay thoughts you train them off those thoughts by rubbing his or her nose in the genitalia of a same sex gay person.

Continue this procedure until the person is no longer gay.


Hmmm, I guess my sarcasm just isn't coming through for the more literal minded.

Hmmm, I guess my sarcasm just isn't coming through for the more literal minded.

i guess some people have never housetrained a dog

or is it now illegal to rub your puppy's nose in its mess?

9 out of 10 authoritarians agree: Behaviorist theory rules.

B.F. Skinner would agree.

Actually the book suggests that this behavioral order in dogs occurs because
of boredom. That the basis in training isn't to punish the animal until it stops
the bad behavior, but "bring obedience by encouraging the canine to want to
learn new things".

My goodness, it seems we have a *fourth* person claiming to have the book...

A fourth person with not many posts... no doubt who appeared after, or close to the time the LAST form of this troll was banned... hmm.

And also, homosexual activity in animals like dogs is linked to DOMINANCE, not boredom.

So this book sounds more and more like it's plain bullshit.

So this book sounds more and more like it's plain bullshit.Assuming that the book exists at all.

Obedience schools train animals with behavioral problems. As Americans who love their dogs have increasingly emotionalized them and come to see them as family members, complete with complex psychological lives and histories, they feel more and more anxious and guilty about them. Imagine the horror of walking your dog through the neighborhood and discover your pet enjoys same sex partners. As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621)

This is a joke isn't it?

9 out of 10 authoritarians agree: Behaviorist theory rules.


B.F. Skinner would agree.

Even if he doesn't agree now, he'll agree by the time I'm done with him.

But I won't start on him until i've finished using his theories to help me instil an enormous fear of other people's cocks into my sons, by spending a half hour of every day alternately waving my cock at them and then slapping their asses hard. That'll surely keep em as conventionally heterosexual as me.

Assuming that the book exists at all.

Well, seeing as no one's been able to find it on amazon or google, no links have been posted, the OP's puppet's promised cover picture has yet to appear, and there is no ISBN, it's a safe assumptioon that it doesn't exist.

And seeing as how it's the key point to the OP, it's safe to assume the OP was BS.

I consider the issue dissmissed.

Well, seeing as no one's been able to find it on amazon or google, no links have been posted, the OP's puppet's promised cover picture has yet to appear, and there is no ISBN, it's a safe assumptioon that it doesn't exist.

And seeing as how it's the key point to the OP, it's safe to assume the OP was BS.

I consider the issue dissmissed.
But what if I want to argue that he is an idiot some more :)

Obedience schools train animals with behavioral problems. As Americans who love their dogs have increasingly emotionalized them and come to see them as family members, complete with complex psychological lives and histories, they feel more and more anxious and guilty about them. Imagine the horror of walking your dog through the neighborhood and discover your pet enjoys same sex partners. As taught in the new book by Jon Katz; "Beating A Gay Horse", dog therapy allows owners to curb such behavioral problems.

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

SOURCE (http://slate.msn.com/id/2086621)
I think this thread has gone to the dogs.

Get a life?

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

Really? Do some parents pretend to accept their childs homosexuality while
hiding their disappointment deep inside? I don't think that is so far fetched.

Really? Do some parents pretend to accept their childs homosexuality while
hiding their disappointment deep inside? I don't think that is so far fetched.
yeah, just like some parents pretend to like their daughter's fiance while secretly thinking the guy is a git. what's your point?

Really? Do some parents pretend to accept their childs homosexuality while
hiding their disappointment deep inside? I don't think that is so far fetched.
Sorry but I did NOT post the following:

As the psychology of therapy to homosexuals has been widely untested by professionals, this controversial chapter of dog psychology, may reopen doors for distraught parents living with abnormal teens. It may one day help these stressed-out mothers & fathers to love their children without faking it.

You need to be careful with your quote tags?

But what if I want to argue that he is an idiot some more :)

Feel free. :)

but it certainly wouldn't be something I'd do. If I ever had a homosexual child, I would treat her with the same respect as any other person.

Oh yeah, and move to Vermont or Massachusetts. XD

-Asylum Nova

You're really struggling for a clear answer. If you want to accept
homosexuality then you must also accept brother on sister sex.

You have siblings that engage in this practice, they're both adults,
they both have argeed to do it. It's a natural phenomenon amongst
animals and the only objections would be because of the morality
behind it.

Incest is fine if two people wish to do that, it is none of my business. It can lead to severe diseases and abnormalities in offspring, which is why it is illegal, to answer your question, but if that is what two consenting family members wish to do, then I have no problems with it.

You are a bigot, and you are also incredibly ignorant. Like what people have already said, homo means same, it is derived from the greek word homos, same, or our word homogenus. Homo sapien just means same something (not sure what sapien means). Anthro is the stem for man, coming from the greek word anthropos, or our word anthropology. Actually make sure your facts are right before you argue them.

I am a bi-sexual. I realised when I was 17 that I was attracted to men and went through about a year of homosexuality, before I realised I was still attracted to women somewhat. Over time, that attraction to women became stronger to the point that I have almost no interest in men, though I still find them attractive at times, and I still have very feminine traits that my homosexuality brought me.

My parents are loving, caring and understanding. Know why? Because they are not ignorant or bigotted. I am still the same person, I just realised who I truly was and that I have an attraction to the same sex. Tell me this: why is that wrong? Because some dusty old book written by Christians says sodomy is a sin? Grow up. If people who are devoutly religious can realise the error in this and accept homosexuals, why the hell can't you?

You can never train me to stop finding men attractive. Sure, with torture and beating you might convince me not to act on it, but that nature will always be there. It is not something I can help - I can choose which way I lean, but I cannot choose to eliminate it. Like has already been said, the problem is you, not us.

And to make another point, I am incredibly reactionary, and an authoritarian, despite the fact that I myself am bi-sexual and condone homosexuality. Being conservative doesn't entail homophobia.

Seriously, this is sad.

Incest is fine if two people wish to do that, it is none of my business. It can lead to severe diseases and abnormalities in offspring, which is why it is illegal, to answer your question, but if that is what two consenting family members wish to do, then I have no problems with it.

You are a bigot, and you are also incredibly ignorant. Like what people have already said, homo means same, it is derived from the greek word homos, same, or our word homogenus. Homo sapien just means same something (not sure what sapien means). Anthro is the stem for man, coming from the greek word anthropos, or our word anthropology. Actually make sure your facts are right before you argue them.

I am a bi-sexual. I realised when I was 17 that I was attracted to men and went through about a year of homosexuality, before I realised I was still attracted to women somewhat. Over time, that attraction to women became stronger to the point that I have almost no interest in men, though I still find them attractive at times, and I still have very feminine traits that my homosexuality brought me.

My parents are loving, caring and understanding. Know why? Because they are not ignorant or bigotted. I am still the same person, I just realised who I truly was and that I have an attraction to the same sex. Tell me this: why is that wrong? Because some dusty old book written by Christians says sodomy is a sin? Grow up. If people who are devoutly religious can realise the error in this and accept homosexuals, why the hell can't you?

You can never train me to stop finding men attractive. Sure, with torture and beating you might convince me not to act on it, but that nature will always be there. It is not something I can help - I can choose which way I lean, but I cannot choose to eliminate it. Like has already been said, the problem is you, not us.

And to make another point, I am incredibly reactionary, and an authoritarian, despite the fact that I myself am bi-sexual and condone homosexuality. Being conservative doesn't entail homophobia.

Seriously, this is sad.


I agree, dont you guys get that maybe being gay is NOT a problem? Sure it's different, but it doesnt mean its wrong. I am a straight male CATHOLIC for crying out loud and i dont have any problems with homosexuality. If two men (or women) find their own sex attractive, then let them, its not hurting me...

You do realize that the bible was written by groups of people who thought it was a good thing to go into a city and kill EVERY living thing? Read the OT, it happens all of the time. These are people who, if they saw you making a no-no, would hurl rocks at you until you were beaten to death. Things have changed. I still believe in God, but if our Supreme Creator hates his own children for a condition that they have very little if no control over, then I'm not sure i want to believe in that sort of religion.

Gay people are just like you and me, they just act, love, and think differently. Now, im not saying that IM gay, my supreme attraction to women is matched only by my love of food. I hope this hatred stops and we finally accept these people for who they are. If a child grows up gay, so be it, its his/her choice to live as he/she wants to. Parents may not like it, but you have to let your kids make some decisons in life. If i had a gay son, i wouldnt be thrilled, but what can i do? Just let the gays do their thing and leave them alone, God knows they have enough to worry about...

I agree, dont you understnad that maybe having incest with your children is NOT a problem? Sure it's different, but it doesnt mean its wrong. I am a straight CATHOLIC male and I dont have any problems with incest. If a father (or mother) find their own children attractive, then let them, its not hurting me...

The bible was written by groups of people who thought it was a good thing to go into a city and kill sinners? Read the OT, it happens all of the time. These are people who (if they saw a man flirting with another man) would hurl rocks at you until you were dead.

Things have changed. I still believe in God, but if our Supreme Creator hates his own children for defying Him, by shoving things into their private parts that don't belong there, then I'm not sure what I want to believe in.

Incestivite people are just like you and me, they just act, love, and think differently. Now, im not saying that I like incest, my supreme attraction to old women is matched only by my love of dry feet. I hope this hatred stops and we finally accept these people for who they are.

If a child grows up and agrees to have sex with their parents, so be it, its his/her choice and the parents condone it. Some kids may not like it, but you have to encourage your kids as they make some decisions in life.

If I had sex with my son, I wouldnt be thrilled, but what can i do? Just let the incestivites do their thing and leave them alone, God knows they have enough to worry about...

I can't believe you people think this way. :confused:

I can't believe you people think this way. :confused:
And what way do you think … we will be most welcome to pick on your beliefs :)

:eek:

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First In appologise for not reading the topic.

Second aversion therapy has been used to 'treat' homosexulaity since the 50's. [url=http://www.petertatchell.net/psychiatry/aversion.htm]This is one of the reasons we don't use it anymore[url]. Its inhumane. You can use the same principles to make someone righthanded but there's just no need for it.

I can't believe you people think this way. :confused:
why did you attribute that quote to me? i did not write that.

And what way do you think … we will be most welcome to pick on your beliefs :)

:eek:

He doesn't think, that's why his misquoted rewriting of someone else's valid point is nigh-nonsensical. Throw any logic you want at him - it's pretty obvious he can't even grasp the difference between homosexuality and incest, so the best you can hope to do is to entertain yourselves.

You have got to be fucking joking... That is the most appalling statement ever uttered in the entire history of NS... Well I admit I've heard worse but Good God! You disgust me... Words are not sufficient enough for me to tell you how braindead you all. So I will use binary to demonstrate.

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Incest is fine if two people wish to do that, it is none of your business. It may lead to severe diseases and abnormalities in offsprings, but to answer your question, it is what my consenting family members wish to do, and I have no problems with it.

You are a bigot, and you are also incredibly ignorant. Like what people need to say, it is derived from the greek word incestus, "in" means not, same, as our word intelligent. Cestus just means "castus : pure" (not sure what it means by pure). Anthro is the stem for man, coming from the greek word anthropos, or our word anthropology. Actually make sure your facts are right before you argue them.

I am a bi-sexual. I realised when I was 17 that I was attracted to my dad and went through about a year of homosexual incest with him, before I realised I was still attracted to my mother somewhat. Over time, that attraction to her became stronger to the point that I have almost no interest in my father, though I still find him attractive at times, and I still have very feminine traits that my homosexuality brought me.

My parents are loving, caring and understanding. Know why? Because they are not ignorant or bigotted. I am still the same person, I just realised who I truly was and that I have an attraction to my own family. Tell me this: why is it wrong? Because the old bible book, written by Christians, says Lot had sex with his kids? So grow up. If people who are devoutly religious can realise the sanity in this and accept incestuals, why the hell can't you?

You can never train me to stop finding my parents attractive. Sure, with torture and beating you might convince me not to act on it, but that nature will always be there. It is not something I can help - I can choose which way I lean, but I cannot choose to eliminate it. Like has already been said, the problem is you, not us.

And to make another point, I am incredibly reactionary, and an authoritarian, despite the fact that I myself am bi-sexual and condone homosexuality. Being conservative doesn't entail incestumphobia.

Seriously, this is sad.

It's sad in more ways than one. :(