NationStates Jolt Archive

I would like to say first that I am aware that I will likely catch flak for saying this....

I think it is time to review all U.S. foreign policy decisions that are currently operative throughout the Middle East, including our policy with Israel. Insofar as I can see, we give Israel carte blanche within its' sphere of influence over there. I believe the American people need to have a wide-ranging discussion as to whether we want to continue to support Israel like we are doing now. Current policies are failing to pacify the region. If the American public wants to continue to support Israel to the hilt, that's fine. If we decide to try and rein in our Israeli allies, that is also fine. But whichever direction we choose to take, we must be aware that there will be consequences, both good and bad, that arise from our decision.

I personally see our current relationship with Israel as a relic of the Cold War. Although we do not have to stop being allies, I think the nature of the alliance needs to be retooled to reflect the current geopolitical situation in the Middle East. I think we need to apply pressure to Israel to evacuate the illegal settlements there. I also think we need to reassure Israel that we recognize its' right to exist while we do it.

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How many threads can you have on the same subject at the same time!

What, do lots of people post threads on this issue?

American funding was the reason that Israel now has ILLIGALLY developed nuclear weapons (sending men to jail for 20+ years for leaking this secret), tearing up all international agreements... and i won't even go into the governmen't relationship with its neighbouring countries.. (nor the insane palistinian conflict.. :( )

What, do lots of people post threads on this issue?

you should see how many homosexual threads there are! question the importance of that..

American funding was the reason that Israel now has ILLIGALLY developed nuclear weapons (sending men to jail for 20+ years for leaking this secret), tearing up all international agreements... and i won't even go into the governmen't relationship with its neighbouring countries.. (nor the insane palistinian conflict.. :( )
maybe you con't know, but israel nuclear power developed in help of france, like almost all the nuclear weapons at the area.
the agreement that was failed because the palastinians tear it up, and the UN votes against Israel not count.
and about the end of what you say: what you mean, for hell?

I personally resent that 2% of the American population has the biggest lobby in Washington. I resent Israelis using something done to them by Europeans as an excuse to commmit crimes against Arabs. I resent the fact we give Israel about $4 billion a year, and then claim soverignty when we ask them nicely to quit commiting crimes against Arabs. I resent the snotty attitutude Israel shows towards the very international community and law that brought it into existence in the first place. I resent the religous wackos that now dominate Israeli politics who were the most anti-Zionist forces before Israel actually came into existence by secular Jews. I resent the Israeli rhetoric that is so aghast by terrorism, while a certain dead Norwegian diplomat probably would think that is a bit hypocritical.

However....

The State of Israel has a right to exist. It has a right to exist, at least, as much as any other nation/state. That's because states don't have "rights." They either exist or they don't. If you got people, land and a government, and the ability to protect same, you're a state. The Palestinians' inability to destroy Israel makes it unqualified to be a state. That's the naked blunt reality of geo-politics. If it was about right, there would be an Ojibwe brave hunting deer where I am currently typing this post, and the English would be serving the Irish whiskey. Israel is a functioning prosperous democratic state in a sea of Arab and Islamic disfunction and tyrany....and I say that without the least bit of editorial comment. As much I despise the manner in which Israel came into existence and often sustains that existence on our dollar, I'll take 10 Israels over the Palestinian Authority and all her neighbors combined, and we haven't even begun talking about the Islamofascists yet.

Speaking of Islamofascists like Hammas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad...they are to Sharon and the Likud Party as Al Queda is to George V and the Republican Party. When the moderate Abbas became Prime Minister, instead of strengthing the moderate Pals, Sharon ignored him and did business, a prisoner exchange, with Hammas. But just as I don't want to be judged as an American by the extreme wacko policies of the Republicans, it is not fair to judge Israelis by the extreme wacko policies of Likud. Israel, as a whole, upholds human rights standards way more than most countries, which is remarkable considering the routine sucicidal bombing they put up with. Better than America, I would say, and not even comprable to the standard of the Arab world.

When Arafat rejected the 95% deal of 2000, he, either by hook or crook, was saying he no longer recongnized Israel and was comepletly hijacked by the the Islamofascists. It was the death of legitamate secular Palestinian nationalism and made it impossible for those who were rooting for the oppressed Palestinians something tangible to actually get behind. I would say, as far as the original topic of this thread, that America should pressure Israel to help the moderate Palestinians to come to power and create the infrastructure of a state that can create jobs and prosperity and a legitamate alternative to a life for young men (and young women for that matter) that includes jihad and suicide bombing. But when we elect religous wackos, how can we expect them to temper the religous wackos of other countries? Good luck to all parties is all I can say.

the UN votes against Israel not count.

Ow this is nice to know, you get an exception then?

How nice for you, carry on please

Ow this is nice to know, you get an exception then?

How nice for you, carry on please
like the others says alredy: for the UN- "Israel never right, and the arabs never wrong".
when the Un start to be fair, and vote against the dictatorships, and not just against israel, maybe it would be better.