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Inspired by this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=371524&page=1&pp=15) thread (courtesy of La Terra di Liberta).

How would you react? It´s a real difficult one. I noticed that bisexuality is quite frowned upon, even from those people who are quite tolerant to homosexuality. Does it change anything? I imagine it to be a pretty weird thing if your son/ daughter comes home one day introducing his/ her new girl-/ boyfriend and then a few days/ weeks/ months/ etc. later introduces you to his/ her new boy-/ girlfriend...

I hope he/she would bring really hot girlfriends :eek:

How can you say for sure what your reaction would be until it actually happens.
You might be surprised.

LP - eeewww! I've been hit on by my friends dad and - eeewww! :p ;)

I'd have no problem with it. My only real concerns with my childrens' relationships are that they are not in any way abusive and that all members of the relationship make each other happy..

I hope he/she would bring really hot girlfriends :eek:

You are still wrong (as usual). TO THE STARTER (really), get your (wavering) child straightened out ASAP, by yourself, before the liberal psychobabblists assure him/her that "it's perfectly normal to be like they are". Otherwise, you will lose your child, and all grandchildren from that child. Psychobabble should be a crime. It causes real damage to innocent "prey".

How many times should we answer these same questions?

My Answer: "A Clockwork Orange"

I'd spank him/her like there's no tomorrow

I grab my 3 inch wide alligator belt and thrash them to within an inch of their lives. That'll knock the gay out of them good and proper.

I grab my 3 inch wide alligator belt and thrash them to within an inch of their lives. That'll knock the gay out of them good and proper.

Technically speaking, bisexuals aren´t gay. They´re bisexual.

Technically speaking, bisexuals aren´t gay. They´re bisexual.
But if you beat the bi-sexuallity out of them, they'll never have sex again. That would be just cruel

Technically speaking, bisexuals aren´t gay. They´re bisexual.

Bisexual means "half gay".

[QUOTE=BlindLiberals] Psychobabble should be a crime. [QUOTE]

I completely agree with that...

I also think that bisexuality and homosexuality is wrong, but that's just my personal belief. I'm not one to say it definately is wrong or judge, that job belongs to God.

Technically speaking, bisexuals aren´t gay. They´re bisexual.


Bisexuals are confused. If you have any sex with a member of the same sex, that makes you gay. Sure you might do people from the opposite sex, but you still are gay.

Bisexuals are confused. If you have any sex with a member of the same sex, that makes you gay. Sure you might do people from the opposite sex, but you still are gay.

Bisexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by romantic love or sexual desire for members of either or both genders, contrasted with homosexuality, heterosexuality, and asexuality.

It´s a class of it´s own and NOT "half gay and half straight".

Any bisexuals out there who can lend us a hand?

1. If you believe in the sanctity of marriage and that the only legitimate marriage is between a man and a women, as most people obviously do then why ask the question? If not skip to point # "3" below.

2. If you believe in abstinence before and faithfulness in marriage the question is a stupid one because you are not going to have another partner of any sex to be "bi" with. (IF you believe in #1 you lie if you disagree with 2)

3. At the point you accept sexual intimacy outside of a marriage relationship what do you care who it is with you have already given up the moral high ground and it is all relative opinion from then on.

4. So you only have one decision to make and after that the answers are easy.

Bisexuals are confused. If you have any sex with a member of the same sex, that makes you gay. Sure you might do people from the opposite sex, but you still are gay.

That's just not true. For instance, a woman might have sex with another woman, then later on in life fall in love with a man, marry him and be faithful to him. Does that make her gay? She certainly wouldn't be gay at that time, and as a faithful wife, the gender of any would be suiters truely doesn't matter at all. Nobody is getting in except for him. He just happened to be a "he" and the fact that he could have just as easily been a "she" is no longer relevant.

It's not just one way or the other. Love and attraction is far from being that simple. :fluffle:

Being bi I think is finally tearing down barriers of outward apperance and just loving someone for who they are not for their genitalia. Would I be upset if My child was bi? Not in the least as long as they were happy in their relationships and their partner treated them with respect.

That's just not true. For instance, a woman might have sex with another woman, then later on in life fall in love with a man, marry him and be faithful to him. Does that make her gay? She certainly wouldn't be gay at that time, and as a faithful wife, the gender of any would be suiters truely doesn't matter at all. Nobody is getting in except for him. He just happened to be a "he" and the fact that he could have just as easily been a "she" is no longer relevant.

It's not just one way or the other. Love and attraction is far from being that simple. :fluffle:

If that is true then some other force must have cured them of their homosexuality. The lord works in mysterious ways.

Put it this way. If I drove drunk and killed someone, then later on got over my alcoholism, and haven't killed anyone lately, would I still be a killer?

That's just not true. For instance, a woman might have sex with another woman, then later on in life fall in love with a man, marry him and be faithful to him. Does that make her gay? She certainly wouldn't be gay at that time, and as a faithful wife, the gender of any would be suiters truely doesn't matter at all. Nobody is getting in except for him. He just happened to be a "he" and the fact that he could have just as easily been a "she" is no longer relevant.

It's not just one way or the other. Love and attraction is far from being that simple. :fluffle:

Good point! There's another thread on polyamory. Are any of those relationships bi, do you think?

I grab my 3 inch wide alligator belt and thrash them to within an inch of their lives. That'll knock the gay out of them good and proper.

Don't rage on your children because you're still steaming about the fact they let women vote.

Would you consider transgender people who have sex with members of the same gender, gay?

If that is true then some other force must have cured them of their homosexuality. The lord works in mysterious ways.

Put it this way. If I drove drunk and killed someone, then later on got over my alcoholism, and haven't killed anyone lately, would I still be a killer?
Completely irrelivant.... Killing someone and Loving someone is not the same thing in the least

Don't rage on your children because you're still steaming about the fact they let women vote.

Rage on my children. Not really, but you do need to throw them a beating every once in a while when they need it, if just to keep them honest.

If it were up to me they'd still be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. But that's just me.


"50,000 battered women, and I've been eating mine plain all these years."

Completely irrelivant.... Killing someone and Loving someone is not the same thing in the least

Well answer the question. Don't know if I'd describe it as love, more like lust.

Bisexuals are confused. If you have any sex with a member of the same sex, that makes you gay. Sure you might do people from the opposite sex, but you still are gay.
no, bisexuals are not "confused." i am quite clear on my sexuality, thanks, and i believe that who i love shouldn't be defined by what genitals a person has. i don't love what my partner has between their legs, i love the PERSON. i am attracted to people of both genders, and i don't see any reason why that should surprise anybody; pretty much all primates, and all the great apes, show bisexual behaviors, and our closest evolutionary relatives are 100% bisexual. it's simply what is natural for us, and as long as all parties are consenting i don't see what harm there can be in it.

Well answer the question. Don't know if I'd describe it as love, more like lust.
Once you have killed you have killed, by self-indulgence in the case of drunk driving.... Loving someone, no matter what their sex does not end their existence does it? Why would you call it Lust? Just because it is not what you might consider "normal" does not make it any less valid. You are welcome to live in your sterile vanilla world, but you have no place to condemn others who might enjoy variety.

no, bisexuals are not "confused." i am quite clear on my sexuality, thanks, and i believe that who i love shouldn't be defined by what genitals a person has. i don't love what my partner has between their legs, i love the PERSON. i am attracted to people of both genders, and i don't see any reason why that should surprise anybody; pretty much all primates, and all the great apes, show bisexual behaviors, and our closest evolutionary relatives are 100% bisexual. it's simply what is natural for us, and as long as all parties are consenting i don't see what harm there can be in it.
Hear Hear! Hiya Bottle! :D

i am quite clear on my sexuality, thanks, and i believe that who i love shouldn't be defined by what genitals a person has.

Agreed. I do wonder though why some people - especially our pure and faithful religious zealots - always connect "homosexuality/ bisexuality" or any other kind of sexuality with "sex", "breeding" or "mating". That real strange focus on the physical aspect of sexuality. What about the mental one? You know, those wonderful things called "love" and "passion"...?

Hear Hear! Hiya Bottle! :D
the first page of this thread suggested that it was in need of a bisexual to represent...and thus was i summoned...:)

it always makes me laugh when people imply that bisexuals "can't make up their minds." i KNOW, for goddam sure, that i am attracted to both men and women. it's like how most guys KNOW that they can be attracted to blonde and brunettes. i don't see any reason why guys should arbitrarily decide only to pursue attractive brunettes, choosing to ignore any attractive blondes, and that's how i feel about men and women. men and women are attractive in different ways, but they are equally attractive to me (physically).

my general thinking is this: why should i ignore half of the hot people in the world? it's hard enough finding a beautiful, smart, fun person who is willing to put up with me for longer than 15 minutes, so why on Earth would i cut my probability of finding them in half?!

Agreed. I do wonder though why some people - especially our pure and faithful religious zealots - always connect "homosexuality/ bisexuality" or any other kind of sexuality with "sex", "breeding" or "mating". That real strange focus on the physical aspect of sexuality. What about the mental one? You know, those wonderful things called "love" and "passion"...?
perhaps that is at the core of the issue. perhaps many homophobes are unable to form relationships that serve any purpose other than procreation, and they lash out at anybody who has a relationship founded on something more. gay couples cannot, by definition, be in it only for procreation, so they MUST have something more in their relationship. the homophobes lack this, or are threatened by it, and lash out.

just a theory, probably doesn't apply to all homophobes, but worth a thought or two.

I very much agree with you Bottle, I have had long terms relationships with both Men and Women.... Currently I am happily with a Man, does this mean i do not still find women attractive? Hell no! But like with any other long term commited relationship I am with him and him only.... I am not confused in the least about who I find attractive, and their gender has very little to do with it....

perhaps that is at the core of the issue. perhaps many homophobes are unable to form relationships that serve any purpose other than procreation, and they lash out at anybody who has a relationship founded on something more. gay couples cannot, by definition, be in it only for procreation, so they MUST have something more in their relationship. the homophobes lack this, or are threatened by it, and lash out.

just a theory, probably doesn't apply to all homophobes, but worth a thought or two.

Point taken and I tend to agree.


the first page of this thread suggested that it was in need of a bisexual to represent...and thus was i summoned...

it always makes me laugh when people imply that bisexuals "can't make up their minds." i KNOW, for goddam sure, that i am attracted to both men and women. it's like how most guys KNOW that they can be attracted to blonde and brunettes. i don't see any reason why guys should arbitrarily decide only to pursue attractive brunettes, choosing to ignore any attractive blondes, and that's how i feel about men and women. men and women are attractive in different ways, but they are equally attractive to me (physically).

my general thinking is this: why should i ignore half of the hot people in the world? it's hard enough finding a beautiful, smart, fun person who is willing to put up with me for longer than 15 minutes, so why on Earth would i cut my probability of finding them in half?!

Your comments are welcome and thanks for contributing :)

perhaps that is at the core of the issue. perhaps many homophobes are unable to form relationships that serve any purpose other than procreation, and they lash out at anybody who has a relationship founded on something more. gay couples cannot, by definition, be in it only for procreation, so they MUST have something more in their relationship. the homophobes lack this, or are threatened by it, and lash out.

just a theory, probably doesn't apply to all homophobes, but worth a thought or two.

the thing there looking for its called love, it is not just about haveing kids, its about being with someone nomater what, careing for them more than you care for yourself, being comited to that person no mater what happens, the gender of that person does not matter, the feelings do

I very much agree with you Bottle, I have had long terms relationships with both Men and Women.... Currently I am happily with a Man, does this mean i do not still find women attractive? Hell no! But like with any other long term commited relationship I am with him and him only.... I am not confused in the least about who I find attractive, and their gender has very little to do with it....
yeah, and that's another key point: bisexuals aren't simply about "anything that moves." we're no more (or less) promiscuous than anybody else. i hear bisexuality equated with sluttiness all the time, and it really pisses me off.

If that is true then some other force must have cured them of their homosexuality. The lord works in mysterious ways.

Put it this way. If I drove drunk and killed someone, then later on got over my alcoholism, and haven't killed anyone lately, would I still be a killer?

While your analogy is...ech...it works similarly for bisexuality. If a bisexual marries someone of the opposite sex, they are still bisexual.

no, bisexuals are not "confused." i am quite clear on my sexuality, thanks, and i believe that who i love shouldn't be defined by what genitals a person has. i don't love what my partner has between their legs, i love the PERSON. i am attracted to people of both genders, and i don't see any reason why that should surprise anybody; pretty much all primates, and all the great apes, show bisexual behaviors, and our closest evolutionary relatives are 100% bisexual. it's simply what is natural for us, and as long as all parties are consenting i don't see what harm there can be in it.

Ditto.

yeah, and that's another key point: bisexuals aren't simply about "anything that moves." we're no more (or less) promiscuous than anybody else. i hear bisexuality equated with sluttiness all the time, and it really pisses me off.
Me too, Just because we are flexible enough to see the merits of both sexes does not mean we cannot form loving bonds with just one person like anyone else, that has always ticked me off too...lol

perhaps that is at the core of the issue. perhaps many homophobes are unable to form relationships that serve any purpose other than procreation, and they lash out at anybody who has a relationship founded on something more. gay couples cannot, by definition, be in it only for procreation, so they MUST have something more in their relationship. the homophobes lack this, or are threatened by it, and lash out.

just a theory, probably doesn't apply to all homophobes, but worth a thought or two.

Above^ is an output of PsychoBlatherUniversity. Why do we pay for their "scholarships". Actual students should be supported. Phony "Sociology" students should be re-directed to Burger-King.

Rage on my children. Not really, but you do need to throw them a beating every once in a while when they need it, if just to keep them honest.

If it were up to me they'd still be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. But that's just me.

"50,000 battered women, and I've been eating mine plain all these years."

Thank you for thoroughly discrediting and humiliating yourself better than I possibly could have.

Above^ is an output of PsychoBlatherUniversity. Why do we pay for their "scholarships". Actual students should be supported. Phony "Sociology" students should be re-directed to Burger-King.

Above is the wail of someone in denial.

Once you have killed you have killed, by self-indulgence in the case of drunk driving.... Loving someone, no matter what their sex does not end their existence does it? Why would you call it Lust? Just because it is not what you might consider "normal" does not make it any less valid. You are welcome to live in your sterile vanilla world, but you have no place to condemn others who might enjoy variety.

Where did I condemn homosexual behavior?

perhaps that is at the core of the issue. perhaps many homophobes are unable to form relationships that serve any purpose other than procreation, and they lash out at anybody who has a relationship founded on something more. gay couples cannot, by definition, be in it only for procreation, so they MUST have something more in their relationship. the homophobes lack this, or are threatened by it, and lash out.

just a theory, probably doesn't apply to all homophobes, but worth a thought or two.

Sorry but by definition a "homophobe" hates people. I do not hate people. If the apostles, Moses, God, Jesus, and all of the others in the bible are homophobes then I'm one too.

I am more then capable of having a relationship founded on more then just mating. I've been married for 20 years. The only thing that I am threatened by is the way homosexuality is taught to our children and the way it is glorified in the media. My kids read a book in school about some girl who had 2 mommies. Is it really necessary to teach our kids this while they are 6,7,8 years old?

If that is true then some other force must have cured them of their homosexuality. The lord works in mysterious ways.

Put it this way. If I drove drunk and killed someone, then later on got over my alcoholism, and haven't killed anyone lately, would I still be a killer?
this sounds an awful lot like condemnation of same sex relationships to me...but I could be wrong.... <_<

Above^ is an output of PsychoBlatherUniversity. Why do we pay for their "scholarships". Actual students should be supported. Phony "Sociology" students should be re-directed to Burger-King.

You are obviously very well informed to be so certain of the phoniness of sociology and psychology. Perhaps we could discuss the ideas of Durkheim or Marx, so you could explain to me exactly why they are phony?

Above is the wail of someone in denial.

I think that he must be suffering an inferiority complex caused by childhood trauma. ;)

Thank you for thoroughly discrediting and humiliating yourself better than I possibly could have.

Yeah I'd hate to discredit myself over the internet. You so own me.

this sounds an awful lot like condemnation of same sex relationships to me...but I could be wrong.... <_<

You are correct. This is a moral blight on our society. Believe it or not this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values, I failed to find anything about our founding fathers that would prove that they would be in favor of homosexuals marrying or having civil unions.

Sorry but by definition a "homophobe" hates people. I do not hate people. If the apostles, Moses, God, Jesus, and all of the others in the bible are homophobes then I'm one too.

I am more then capable of having a relationship founded on more then just mating. I've been married for 20 years. The only thing that I am threatened by is the way homosexuality is taught to our children and the way it is glorified in the media. My kids read a book in school about some girl who had 2 mommies. Is it really necessary to teach our kids this while they are 6,7,8 years old?

So long as it had no explicit sex scenes, I don't see what the problem is.

yeah, and that's another key point: bisexuals aren't simply about "anything that moves." we're no more (or less) promiscuous than anybody else. i hear bisexuality equated with sluttiness all the time, and it really pisses me off.


Well on average homosexuals and "bisexuals" are more promiscuous then straights.

So long as it had no explicit sex scenes, I don't see what the problem is.

The problem is they are just learning about their own identities at that age, why would you want to possibly confuse them about things. It would be much better to wait until they had learned of their own sexuality before they learned about alternative lifestyles.

Well on average homosexuals and "bisexuals" are more promiscuous then straights.
*laughs* now that is just silly, there are those with loose sexual inclinations in any group Straight, Bi, or Gay ... no one group is more "Loose" then any other.... There are plenty of long-term loving relationships that are same sex, and those who like to date around... so what is the issue?

Well on average homosexuals and "bisexuals" are more promiscuous then straights.

What´s bad about being promiscuous?

:confused: i wouldnt care! y should i. as long as:
1) he / she ( lol, im just gonna refer to this person as it cause it can call it's self what eva it wants to) has kids & passes on my genes,
2) "it" is happy

BUT IF IT STILL CANT PULL AFTER BEING BISEXUAL THAN THERE IS NO HOPE 4 IT & IM JUST GONNA HAVE 2 DISOWN HIM.

What´s bad about being promiscuous?

AIDs and all of that. If you want to run around, catching and spreading AIDS, don't come to us taxpayers who do not support your lifestyle to fund your drug treatments, hospital stays, and etc. Another thing that is wrong is that we are not savages, we are advanced creatures who should be able to put our emotional needs ahead of our sexual needs (aka lust). All of those people who say that apes and other animals can be gay or bi are full of themselves. It is pretty much crackpot science that would say that. These animals do not have reasoning skills, but do have purely instinctual skills. These animals cannot possibly know what love is or even lust. They only know the basics, the need to mate, to eat, to fight or flight, and to protect the young occasionally.

no, bisexuals are not "confused." i am quite clear on my sexuality, thanks, and i believe that who i love shouldn't be defined by what genitals a person has. i don't love what my partner has between their legs, i love the PERSON. i am attracted to people of both genders, and i don't see any reason why that should surprise anybody; pretty much all primates, and all the great apes, show bisexual behaviors, and our closest evolutionary relatives are 100% bisexual. it's simply what is natural for us, and as long as all parties are consenting i don't see what harm there can be in it.

Indeed!

My parents never cared, as long as I was happy. I see positives in both genders :) I mean....you get the best of both worlds!

Indeed!

My parents never cared, as long as I was happy. I see positives in both genders :) I mean....you get the best of both worlds!

You seriously don't think you hurt your parents deep in their souls?


Getting a little off topic, I saw a video one time called "Best of Both Worlds", but since it was Transgender porn I wouldn't know how to describe it.

AIDs and all of that. If you want to run around, catching and spreading AIDS, don't come to us taxpayers who do not support your lifestyle to fund your drug treatments, hospital stays, and etc.

1. I do know VERY WELL to protect myself and others from STDs, including AIDS. Safer Sex rings a bell, right?
2. I pay for my own healthcare security, so screw you.

Another thing that is wrong is that we are not savages, we are advanced creatures who should be able to put our emotional needs ahead of our sexual needs (aka lust).

It´s still my "evolutionary call" to "spawn" as many "heirs" as possible...and no, we humans are NOT "advanced creatures". We´re worthy beings, btu that´s about it.

You´re jealous, aren´t you ;)

if my child was bi-sexual... i wouldn't give a damn, he is still my child-

if my child was bi-sexual... i wouldn't give a damn, he is still my child-

Good man :)

Sorry but by definition a "homophobe" hates people. I do not hate people. If the apostles, Moses, God, Jesus, and all of the others in the bible are homophobes then I'm one too.

I am more then capable of having a relationship founded on more then just mating. I've been married for 20 years. The only thing that I am threatened by is the way homosexuality is taught to our children and the way it is glorified in the media. My kids read a book in school about some girl who had 2 mommies. Is it really necessary to teach our kids this while they are 6,7,8 years old?

ok mate. 1stly, one of the reasons why ur kids are being taught about the stuff u mentioned b4, is because they need to grow up 2 b aware of the society that they live in, do u not agree? surly thats a good thing.
2ndly, @ least once they know about it they can make their own judgments about it when their older. After all you cant say that ur ALWAYS right can u? than its only fair that ur kids have the access to such information so that they may make an educated desission 4 them selves. :)

1. I do know VERY WELL to protect myself and others from STDs, including AIDS. Safer Sex rings a bell, right?
2. I pay for my own healthcare security, so screw you.



It´s still my "evolutionary call" to "spawn" as many "heirs" as possible...and no, we humans are NOT "advanced creatures". We´re worthy beings, btu that´s about it.

You´re jealous, aren´t you ;)


Safer sex is not safe sex. Things fail. But I guess they don't in your world, do they.

You seriously think you'll have insurance when they find out you have full blown AIDS and the costs are skyrocketing. Please don't screw me.

Well if we aren't advanced beings, why has this world not become the planet of the apes? Why are we the dominate species? Don't see too many marsupials building bridges and cars, or going into outer space.

Jealous of what? Of being like you, sorry, but I am fine with who I am, are you?

You seriously don't think you hurt your parents deep in their souls?




Actually no.... I know i haven't..... When i talked to my mom about what i had finally come to terms with she was proud of me... yes PROUD.... she said and I quote, " I am delighted i raised a daughter that can love someone no matter what their gender is." and she is very much Hetero! My father just told me, " Well that explains a few things, want to go girl watching?" He has an odd sense of humor...
My Parents both loved my GF up until the day she died and treated her as part of the family.... and before you say anything TR she died of natural causes

ok mate. 1stly, one of the reasons why ur kids are being taught about the stuff u mentioned b4, is because they need to grow up 2 b aware of the society that they live in, do u not agree? surly thats a good thing.
2ndly, @ least once they know about it they can make their own judgments about it when their older. After all you cant say that ur ALWAYS right can u? than its only fair that ur kids have the access to such information so that they may make an educated desission 4 them selves. :)

Yes, but why should our public schools cram this down their throats at a young age. When they are teenagers, they would be able to better make decisions. If a 16 yr old can drive a car, they can handle homosexual topics, last time I checked most 6 year olds were still just learning how to do simple math and cursive handwriting.

Actually no.... I know i haven't..... When i talked to my mom about what i had finally come to terms with she was proud of me... yes PROUD.... she said and I quote, " I am delighted i raised a daughter that can love someone no matter what their gender is." and she is very much Hetero! My father just told me, " Well that explains a few things, want to go girl watching?" He has an odd sense of humor...
My Parents both loved my GF up until the day she died and treated her as part of the family.... and before you say anything TR she died of natural causes

some people are just too intolerant and maybe even too religiouse to accept a homosexual or bisexual child.. if a strong anti-gay parent discovered their child was gay, would they stop loving them? it they still resent the child, there is something very very very wrong in the family.. :(

Actually no.... I know i haven't..... When i talked to my mom about what i had finally come to terms with she was proud of me... yes PROUD.... she said and I quote, " I am delighted i raised a daughter that can love someone no matter what their gender is." and she is very much Hetero! My father just told me, " Well that explains a few things, want to go girl watching?" He has an odd sense of humor...
My Parents both loved my GF up until the day she died and treated her as part of the family.... and before you say anything TR she died of natural causes

I'm sorry but I find your parents reactions a bit bizarre. Were they hippies at one time? Red diaper, doper babies?

You seriously don't think you hurt your parents deep in their souls?


No I really don't think they even thought of it like that.

I sat down with my parents and explained my preferences to them. I asked if they were disappointed, and they both laughed and said that they could never be disappointed with me because of "what gender I brought home". My parents did say they would be disappointed in me if the person I brought home wasn't someone who treated me with respect. I've dated guys they didn't like, and girls they loved, and they've always welcomed them into their home with open arms :). It makes me so happy to see my parents so proud of me, and so open about who I am.

some people are just too intolerant and maybe even too religiouse to accept a homosexual or bisexual child.. if a strong anti-gay parent discovered their child was gay, would they stop loving them? it they still resent the child, there is something very very very wrong in the family.. :(

I don't hate the sinner, but I detest the sin. So I would still love my kid, but just not what they do.

I'm sorry but I find your parents reactions a bit bizarre. Were they hippies at one time? Red diaper, doper babies?

Nope, in fact my father was in the Military, and still serves now as a civillian on base, and my mom was raised very conservative.... :D

Yes, but why should our public schools cram this down their throats at a young age. When they are teenagers, they would be able to better make decisions. If a 16 yr old can drive a car, they can handle homosexual topics, last time I checked most 6 year olds were still just learning how to do simple math and cursive handwriting.

no 1 said they have to make decisions @ the age of 10, but they need to be informed, so that they can build on that knowlage to learn about the rest of society. just as kids learn the alphabit. but ok fine, so its not essential 4 them 2 learn about it, but that doesnt mean that they should be throughly sheilded from it, ur just being overprotective.

Nope, in fact my father was in the Military, and still serves now as a civillian on base, and my mom was raised very conservative.... :D

Ok if you say so.

also on a previouse note TR, I agree that we ARE "advanced beings", but that only underminds ur argument. as advanced being with free will and the freedom of a democracy to accomodate us, that why would u detest the desision of ur off spring 2 CHOOSE to be Bi. after all we can think for our selves, and a religious book or any other thing shouldnt be opprissive.

no 1 said they have to make decisions @ the age of 10, but they need to be informed, so that they can build on that knowlage to learn about the rest of society. just as kids learn the alphabit. but ok fine, so its not essential 4 them 2 learn about it, but that doesnt mean that they should be throughly sheilded from it, ur just being overprotective.

I hate it when the public school system uses our kids in social experiments. That's why I now have my kids in Catholic HS. Education should be just about learning and learning how to interact with others. It should not condemn or condone certain lifestyles over others. That should be taught by the parents, and or religious leaders. But if this sort of thing must be taught, do it in the higher grades, not elementary school. HS would be a much more appropriate setting. Esp since most schools have some sort of sex ed or health class. Include it in those classes, not in reading class.

Ok if you say so.
Does it bother you that parents so "normal" can accept something like that so easily? I suppose it comes down to the fact they Love me, no matter what, and taught me that loving comes without restriction. And as I am not doing something to hurt myself, something blatantly self-destructive, ( and they do not see loving the same sex as destructive) or dating someone that would hurt me, then its all good....

I would support them no matter what :)

I hate it when the public school system uses our kids in social experiments. That's why I now have my kids in Catholic HS. Education should be just about learning and learning how to interact with others. It should not condemn or condone certain lifestyles over others. That should be taught by the parents, and or religious leaders. But if this sort of thing must be taught, do it in the higher grades, not elementary school. HS would be a much more appropriate setting. Esp since most schools have some sort of sex ed or health class. Include it in those classes, not in reading class.

lol, what country do ur kids study in. i dont remember being taught about this issue in primary school @ ALL. & my little bro who's just come out is the same.

Technically speaking, bisexuals aren´t gay. They´re bisexual.


Nope, bisexuals are gay. I don't care what anyone says, doesn't matter if you're attracted to both sexes. If you're attracted to your own kind, you're gay, (which is wrong and sick). :mp5:

also on a previouse note TR, I agree that we ARE "advanced beings", but that only underminds ur argument. as advanced being with free will and the freedom of a democracy to accomodate us, that why would u detest the desision of ur off spring 2 CHOOSE to be Bi. after all we can think for our selves, and a religious book or any other thing shouldnt be opprissive.

I would detest the decision because that lifestyle is a sin. I would worry about their souls. Some people don't consider it a sin, but some do. If they were not proud of being gay they can get into heaven, but pride is a mortal sin and thus being proud of being gay excludes you from heaven. The bible is not oppressive as it is only a book. I am not oppressive, but would just state my beliefs. You can listen to me or just ignore me. It's not like I would kick them out of the family, that would be evil. They'd be more then welcome to sit and break bread with us no matter what. They could even bring their partner, just so long as they are respectful of the rules of the house, and do not engage in any lewd behavior. Hell, I'd let them each have one of my Mike Ditka cigars after dinner whilst we enjoy a brandy.

just 1 Q, TR.

would you be happier if u discouraged or opposed the happy loving relationship that ur (this is a scenario, no accusations being made) offspring is having with the same sex? i mean if they're really happy, & in love. what good would that do? u wouldnt be making the already awkward scenario any better would you, (presuming that uve told ur kids that being Bi is worng)

lol, what country do ur kids study in. i dont remember being taught about this issue in primary school @ ALL. & my little bro who's just come out is the same.


Let's just say I come from an area of the US that is a large democrat area.

Let's just say I come from an area of the US that is a large democrat area.

u know, i sympothise with u. because it ur culture, and its ur culture to hold on to culture, so ur programmed to think as u do. & ur just doing what u think is best to preserve ur culture. this story is not rare, however, even the culture that ur in now, has evolved over time, & innivetably it will have to in the future to survive, innivetably i think that u may become the minority in the future in ur area, unless u compromise, which i can see u would do in this scenario. this cultural revolution is not a rare thing, its happening all around the world, but im SURE that a much more layed back approach to life is gonna be adopted by the time ppl my age get to run it.

just 1 Q, TR.

would you be happier if u discouraged or opposed the happy loving relationship that ur (this is a scenario, no accusations being made) offspring is having with the same sex? i mean if they're really happy, & in love. what good would that do? u wouldnt be making the already awkward scenario any better would you, (presuming that uve told ur kids that being Bi is worng)

If they were gay and truely happy I would accept it. I would not make gay comments to them or behind their back. My children have free will, and thus can do whatever makes them happy, I may not support their choices, but they are their own person. Once they leave the nest, they are on their own. I may ask questions, or give advice when needed, but I wouldn't impose my will on them.

I never told them that being a homosexual was wrong, just that according to my religious belief the homosexual act is a sin. I'm glad I never imposed religion on them. As children they were free to decide what if any religion they would follow. I was proud when they decided to attend worship with me on their own accord, and would attend on their own without my being there. I'm glad I've raised level headed young men, not twisted old coots like me! ;)

u know, i sympothise with u. because it ur culture, and its ur culture to hold on to culture, so ur programmed to think as u do. & ur just doing what u think is best to preserve ur culture. this story is not rare, however, even the culture that ur in now, has evolved over time, & innivetably it will have to in the future to survive, innivetably i think that u may become the minority in the future in ur area, unless u compromise, which i can see u would do in this scenario. this cultural revolution is not a rare thing, its happening all around the world, but im SURE that a much more layed back approach to life is gonna be adopted by the time ppl my age get to run it.

Yes and by that time I'll be drooling in my wheelchair (http://www.gcrweb.com/HeartDSS/photos/old-people-reading-copy.jpg) , so changing social times would be the least of my worries. More important things would be having my diaper changed, and if Matlock is on.

Safer sex is not safe sex. Things fail. But I guess they don't in your world, do they.

I´m aware of the risk of failure, which is incredibly low. "Don´t be a fool, wrap up your tool".

Where I live, the risk of getting AIDS by blood transfusion is higher than being infected by sexual intercourse (assuming it is protected).

Not to mention it´s not like I "bed in" with every women I met. Though I do enjoy a healthy sexual live. I have a regular health check-ups, including blood tests, including a AIDS test (part of the procedure) - a number of my relatives have heart problems, that´s why I get a voluntary check-up every 6 months. That´s one of the reasons why I bought private health insurance. It costs me quite a lot, but my health is very important to me. It´s worth the expense.

You seriously think you'll have insurance when they find out you have full blown AIDS and the costs are skyrocketing. Please don't screw me.

Well, you don´t know - you CAN´T know - my insurance company. AIDS and treatment costs ARE covered in my insurance. And I make the hell sure I won´t need it. If they´d try to escape the treaty, I´d sue their ass off and they´d loose.

Jealous of what? Of being like you, sorry, but I am fine with who I am, are you?

I´m perfectly fine with myself, I´m a very content man. I pity you for your antiquated perception of something perfectly natural (hint: I´m talkibg abut sexuality here).

I'm bisexual, I tried telling my mum but she told me it's just a phase. That was when i was 13. I'm now 17. Nice to know i have her support. ugh, :headbang:

well at least you knew young... I did not figure it out til I was 27 and married O_O lol

These animals do not have reasoning skills, but do have purely instinctual skills. These animals cannot possibly know what love is or even lust. They only know the basics, the need to mate, to eat, to fight or flight, and to protect the young occasionally.

You obviously haven't spent much time around animals.

Yes, they don't do things like kill one another out of a sense of revenge or moral right. They don't keep one another as slaves, base judgements of one another on their coloration or region of origin. They don't murder or hate in the name of a higher power, give each other smallpox-laden blankets, sever one another's heads on national television, rape their young, or otherwise judge on one another for reasons which are, when you get right down to it, none of their damn business anyway.

You are correct. This is a moral blight on our society. Believe it or not this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values, I failed to find anything about our founding fathers that would prove that they would be in favor of homosexuals marrying or having civil unions.

I guess we'd better count our blessings that they eventually got over the "women shouldn't vote" and "slavery is A-OK" mentalities in time, eh?

I'm sure they had some fascinating opinions about those in the beginning, as well -- being as open-minded as they were.

Yes, they don't do things like kill one another out of a sense of revenge or moral right. They don't keep one another as slaves, base judgements of one another on their coloration or region of origin. They don't murder or hate in the name of a higher power, give each other smallpox-laden blankets, sever one another's heads on national television, rape their young, or otherwise judge on one another for reasons which are, when you get right down to it, none of their damn business anyway.

Pity them, I suppose, because they can't possibly know how righteous we are, right? You obviously haven't spent much time around animals.



I guess we'd better count our blessings that they eventually got over the "women shouldn't vote" and "slavery is A-OK" mentalities in time, eh? I'm sure they had some fascinating opinions about those in the beginning, as well -- being as open-minded as they were.

I'm not all that opposed to indentured servitude. It might actually be a good idea. Keep people inline and all that.

I'm not all that opposed to indentured servitude. It might actually be a good idea. Keep people inline and all that.

Then you can be my servant. I did just own you on INTERNET(!!!!11) after all.

Sorry but by definition a "homophobe" hates people.
wrong. a homophobe is a person who has a fear of or distaste for homosexuals and/or homosexuality. that is you, according to your own statements. why do homophobes have such a problem with using correct terminology? if you think that it is right to be disgusted with homosexuals, then you shouldn't take the word "homophobe" as an insult because it is simply the word for what you believe.

Above^ is an output of PsychoBlatherUniversity. Why do we pay for their "scholarships". Actual students should be supported. Phony "Sociology" students should be re-directed to Burger-King.
actually, my degrees are in psychology, philosophy, and biomedical science (specifically, neuroscience). i don't much care for sociology, since it is virtually all correlative instead of causative theory, and that is boring to me.

You seriously don't think you hurt your parents deep in their souls?

why would it hurt my parents to know that i am in a loving relationship with a partner who cares about me? why on Earth would they give a damn about the gender of my partner, so long as that partner cherishes and respects me? what loving parent would devalue their child or their child's lover based on nothing more than their genitals?

This is going to sound really cheesy but i would be fine with it as long as they were happy. I would worry that his/her feeling would be met with hostility by other people, but other than that...

I mean, it's their life, I can't stop them from being bisexual, and why would i want to?

Yes, but why should our public schools cram this down their throats at a young age. When they are teenagers, they would be able to better make decisions. If a 16 yr old can drive a car, they can handle homosexual topics, last time I checked most 6 year olds were still just learning how to do simple math and cursive handwriting.

Cramming something down someone's throat implies teaching it as the only way - either demonizing other ways or completely ignoring their existance. Children knowing about the existence of gay people and relationships is not cramming anything down throats, provided that such relationships are presented as equal - no better or worse - than other relationships.

You are one who would have a strictly heterosexual worldview forced onto children.

Inspired by this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=371524&page=1&pp=15) thread (courtesy of La Terra di Liberta).

How would you react? It´s a real difficult one. I noticed that bisexuality is quite frowned upon, even from those people who are quite tolerant to homosexuality. Does it change anything? I imagine it to be a pretty weird thing if your son/ daughter comes home one day introducing his/ her new girl-/ boyfriend and then a few days/ weeks/ months/ etc. later introduces you to his/ her new boy-/ girlfriend...



Thank you for the credit.

You seriously don't think you hurt your parents deep in their souls?
When my dad (he's white) married my mom, a woman of color, my grandparents temporarily disowned him. I didn't find out about this until recently. The parallels are notable.

You seriously don't think you hurt your parents deep in their souls?


My son is bisexual. I'm not hurt at all.

If he were a murderer, a rapist, a spouse beater or something like that then I'd still love him, but I would be hurt.

But there is no harm in mutual love, regardless of the gender(s) involved. What is there to feel hurt about?

This one lies in the same column as the gay thread. I don't want to know who my child is having sex with lol!

I'd hope that s/he was really bisexual, because it's rather embarrassing when you start experimenting, call yourself bi, and then realize you're actually just straight and then have to backtrack everything.* It's also kind of embarrassing to recognize homosexual inclination, call yourself bi, then realize you're just gay and everyone thinks you're all wimpy for not coming out fully to begin with.**

*me
**my friend

I'd hope that s/he was really bisexual, because it's rather embarrassing when you start experimenting, call yourself bi, and then realize you're actually just straight and then have to backtrack everything.* It's also kind of embarrassing to recognize homosexual inclination, call yourself bi, then realize you're just gay and everyone thinks you're all wimpy for not coming out fully to begin with.**

*me
**my friend

Why should a person have to explain themselves?

why would it hurt my parents to know that i am in a loving relationship with a partner who cares about me? why on Earth would they give a damn about the gender of my partner, so long as that partner cherishes and respects me? what loving parent would devalue their child or their child's lover based on nothing more than their genitals?

Because if it didn't hurt your parents, that suggests that The True Right's world-view is wrong, and people like him cannot handle that.