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James Garfield once said "I would rather be defeated, than make capital out of my religion."

Abraham Lincoln refused to back a movement to add an amendment mentioning God to our constitution.

Prior to the 20th century political figures were very reluctant to politically endorse a religion or legislate based on one. Why is it that, in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, with a greater religious diversity than ever before, religion has become more of a political issue than ever before, with politicians being practically forced to be religious in order to run?

Because sane people are out of their minds.

Because sane people are out of their minds.

Yes they are lunatic goofballs.

Yes they are lunatic goofballs.

Hah! They wish! They are too crazy to be lunatic goofballs! WHy? They think they are sane.

There are good lunatics and bad lunatics.

Good lunatics know they are crazy.

Bad lunatics think they are sane.

The educational system of The Soft and Gooey World of Lunatic Goofballs only produces good lunatics.

James Garfield once said "I would rather be defeated, than make capital out of my religion."

Abraham Lincoln, a devout Christian, refused to back a movement to add an amendment mentioning God to our constitution.

Prior to the 20th century political figures were very reluctant to politically endorse a religion or legislate based on one. Why is it that, in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, with a greater religious diversity than ever before, religion has become more of a political issue than ever before, with politicians being practically forced to be religious in order to run?


Lincoln never joined a church nor ever made a clear profession of standard Christian beliefs.

"When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad, and that is my religion." - Abraham Lincoln

I think the real reason for this intense desire to reaffirm the fact (their belief) that the US is a Christian nation (sigh heavily) is basically fear of change... which isn't confined to the US, its just more open here (in the West only).

Which makes the Christian Right and Extremist Moslems amazingly similar as they both fear change and want to turn back the clock to a time that they believed existed (but never really did mirror what they believe it did)

Lincoln never joined a church nor ever made a clear profession of standard Christian beliefs.

"When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad, and that is my religion." - Abraham Lincoln

You are correct.

I fixed my original post, but still feel quite stupid.

You are correct.

I fixed my original post, but still feel quite stupid.

Well don't be quick to abandon things just because of a quote. Things are taken out of context all the time. Also, remember there are many Lincoln haters *coughsSoutherners*

I don't know of his Religous stance but there are people that think Religion is their own business.

Well don't be quick to abandon things just because of a quote. Things are taken out of context all the time. Also, remember there are many Lincoln haters *coughsSoutherners*

I don't know of his Religous stance but there are people that think Religion is their own business.

No, he was correct about Lincoln.

James Garfield once said "I would rather be defeated, than make capital out of my religion."

Abraham Lincoln refused to back a movement to add an amendment mentioning God to our constitution.

Prior to the 20th century political figures were very reluctant to politically endorse a religion or legislate based on one. Why is it that, in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, with a greater religious diversity than ever before, religion has become more of a political issue than ever before, with politicians being practically forced to be religious in order to run?

[devils advocate] Well, it was different times then though wasn't it. Pretty much everyone who could vote was a christian, so the whole idea of defining a religion was more divisive than unifying, hence not wanting to push the ides of an established religion. Now the case is completely different. We have a substantial number of muslims and jews who vote. Thus the same conditions do not pertian, [/devils advocate]

Things are taken out of context all the time. Also, remember there are many Lincoln haters *coughsSoutherners*

I happen to think Lincoln, along with Franklin Roosevelt, was one of the two greatest presidents in American history. It is just that, like many of the early founders of the nation, he was not overtly Christian.

I believe that is the original point of Vittos Ordination's thread.

[devils advocate] Well, it was different times then though wasn't it. Pretty much everyone who could vote was a christian, so the whole idea of defining a religion was more divisive than unifying, hence not wanting to push the ides of an established religion. Now the case is completely different. We have a substantial number of muslims and jews who vote. Thus the same conditions do not pertian, [/devils advocate]

This is a good point.

It is ironic to think that a diversification of religions in this nation would cause the government to become more secular.

To our non-US members: are the populations of your nations as reactionary and defensive as Americans? Is this a global trait or more or less an American trait?

James Garfield once said "I would rather be defeated, than make capital out of my religion."

Abraham Lincoln refused to back a movement to add an amendment mentioning God to our constitution.

Prior to the 20th century political figures were very reluctant to politically endorse a religion or legislate based on one. Why is it that, in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, with a greater religious diversity than ever before, religion has become more of a political issue than ever before, with politicians being practically forced to be religious in order to run?back then, the notion of Same Sex Marriage would have been blasphimy, women's place was in the hearth and home. the laws then were more cut and dry than the laws now. Morals... Christian Morals were stronger then. Now, as people keep pointing out, the times change, the laws change and what was once morally wrong is now blurred or becomming Politically right.

Just an observation mind you. not my opinions nor my views.