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1. Iraq has no WMDs. The only time they had them was when they were an ally of the US and the States and it's allies generously supplied them with chemical agents to use against the Iranis. They were:

* Bacillus Anthracis aka Anthrax
* Clostridium Botulinum
* Histoplasma Capsulatum
* Brucella Melitensis
* Clostridium Perfrigens
* Eschericha coli aka E. coli

Don't believe me? Check the 1994 US. Senate Report. That's if it's not already heavily edited by now.

2. Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein hated each other. The only connection between Al-Qaeda and Iraq is that they are Arab and they are both getting the crap bombed out of them. Don't believe me on that either point either eh? Well according to the British Intelligence (Yes it's an oxymoron) report leaked to the BBC Bin Laden's "aims are in ideological conflict with present-day Iraq”. Al-Qaeda is out to create a pure Islam world but Iraq had churches and mosques of different sects and what’s worse, a synagogue. Also not to mention the fact Saddam Hussien triggered the invasion of Kuwait by the US. Now why would Al-Qaeda be pissed off with Saddam Hussein for bringing the west back to the middle-east? Oh wait…

3. You are restricting civil rights for gays if you don’t allow them to marry. The sanctity of marriage is, as I’ve said before, absolute horseshit. A hooker can marry a man for money within an hour of meeting him yet gays who have lived together for years are not allowed. Wake up, get over it, there is no sanctity in marriage. Ban all marriage in fact. It’s a huge pain in the arse. You’ve got to send out invitations, it’s hell on the bridesmaids who wear crappy dresses and today there is no guarantee that you will actually score with a bridesmaid. Plus you can’t throw rice now because birds explode and you pay thousands and thousands of dollars for a dress you only wear once. My proposal – ban all marriage or allow all marriage. Don’t be so prejudice against a minority.

4. Bush should have been impeached over missing the 9/11 threat. I mean, you nearly impeached Clinton because he lied about sex, something nearly every male does. By the way I have a large penis and have had sex seventy two times with all different women. But how could anyone miss a threat that big? And he is the President of the United States. Even Nostradamus saw it coming!

The machine of flying fire shall come to trouble the great besieged chief. Within there shall be so much sedition that those abandoned shall be in despair.
[Century 5, quatrain 34]

5. The bible is not always right. See let there be light could be a metaphor for the big bang, the creation of the universe in that precise moment but most bible thumpers think God just went click. And why don’t I see people burning bulls on altars to create a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9)? Why don’t people sell their daughters in to slavery (Exodus 21:7)? Why don’t people avoid contact with women when they are in there menstrual cleanliness (Leviticus 15:19 – 24)? Why don’t people possess slaves from neighboring countries (Leviticus 25:44)? Oh wait, they do. Well not technically slaves but people in the US tend to pay Mexicans slave wages. And if God really does exist, he isn’t going to choose a man on late-night pay TV with bad hair to be his messenger.

6. Communism isn’t evil. Communists aren’t all evil either. It just so happens that a lot of communists that get into power happen to be out of their minds. See communism does work really well in theory and it does have some good ideas (about all men and women being equal). But I will admit it didn’t take into account that men desire power and they are incredibly greedy. If you Americans want to find a corrupt system of government, look at your own.

7. People shouldn’t have guns. You are a lot more likely to shoot your family members than a burglar so scrap all that self-defense crap. Use a cricket bat like the rest of us. And it is wise to just hand over your wallet when someone has a gun to your face. Don’t go like Chow Yun Fat on him because you will get shot sooner or later. Those who want to go hunting, use a bow and arrow. Or a spear. Even a hunting knife. Isn’t that what they are used for? Americans have the highest rate of gun-related murders in the entire world. Even with what’s going on in Melbourne, we Aussies still don’t come close to you.

[QUOTE=Khockist]
3. You are restricting civil rights for gays if you don’t allow them to marry.
7. People shouldn’t have guns.
thats hypocritical, people have the right to own guns. by saying the people shouldnt have them, thats restricting civil rights too..

oh, and dont say being gay doesnt hurt anyone, anal sex causes AIDS. (i am not against gays or gay marriage, it's just a fact)

I believe with some things, but not all of them. Yes, guns are dangerous. But, you suggest hunting with a bow and arrow, spear or hunting knife. Now, it's going to be very hard to kill an animal with a knife, especially something like a buck. It would be incredibly dangerous to attack a buck with just a knife. It's not gonna stand there and let you stab it to death. It's gonna attack you. You know, they have very large antlers, and they are pointy. So basically if you substitute guns with knives for hunting, you're just replacing a dangerous thing with an extremely dangerous thing. Also, to get rid of guns, you would litterally need to get rid of all guns and all technology to make them. If someone wants a gun bad enough, they can get it. Criminals would be extremely dangerous because they would be the only ones desperate enough for guns. Right now, guns really aren't used for protection, but after you get rid of them, then they'll need to be used for protection, but they won't be available.

oh, and dont say being gay doesnt hurt anyone, anal sex causes AIDS. (i am not against gays or gay marriage, it's just a fact)

Are you really this ignorant?

Anal sex does not cause AIDS. The HIV virus causes AIDS.

Really, shouldn't you have been taught this in school?

thats hypocritical, people have the right to own guns. by saying the people shouldnt have them, thats restricting civil rights too..

It's not restricting civil rights, it's saving lives. The only gays that hurt people are the catholic priests who molest children. Plus it doesn't if you wear a condom and that's not the only sexual activity gays can engage in.

Congratulations, Khockist! You have just been awarded the Golden Wedgie Award for the most firebranding political rhetoric in a single post! I didn't think it was possible to fit 7...count em! 7 hotly debated partisan issies into a single post! But you did it!

My 7 foot tall, 420lb assistant, Gunther will be along shortly to administer your wedgie.

ANd again, congratulations! :D

oh, and dont say being gay doesnt hurt anyone, anal sex causes AIDS. (i am not against gays or gay marriage, it's just a fact)
Actually HIV causes AIDS. Evidently I have just been informed by a passer-by that the cause of HIV is ignorance... :p

Are you really this ignorant?

Anal sex does not cause AIDS. The HIV virus causes AIDS.

Really, shouldn't you have been taught this in school?
okay then, so anal sex causes HIV. whatever... what i was taught in school was that gays are more likely to get AIDS because of anal sex. lets not get into a talk about THAT though.. thats off topic and gross..

When posting threads like the one I'm responding to, please consider who you three potential audiences might be, and *then* decide if it's worthing spending the bytes writing it.

Audience #1, The converted: People who already agree with you, already know all the same bits of trivia you do, and therefore gain nothing by reading you.

Audience #2, The unconvertable: People who don't agree with you, never will no matter what you say to them, and therefore gain nothing by reading you.

Audience #3, The indifferent: People who either don't care about the issues you've brought up or are sick and tired of hearing about them, and therefore don't care what some stranger on the Internet thinks, unless you're in a position to affect any of the issues you've brought up -and let's face it, you're not.

And please don't get me wrong: it's not that I disagree with you -far from it. But though it is less effort to sit in a basement somewhere are rehash widely-held and often-repeated theories on who's evil and what needs to be done to make the world a better place, your energies might be more constructively applied by actually going out and participating in the changes you want to see take place, instead of just posting threads on the Internet.

7. People shouldn’t have guns. You are a lot more likely to shoot your family members than a burglar so scrap all that self-defense crap. Use a cricket bat like the rest of us. And it is wise to just hand over your wallet when someone has a gun to your face. Don’t go like Chow Yun Fat on him because you will get shot sooner or later. Those who want to go hunting, use a bow and arrow. Or a spear. Even a hunting knife. Isn’t that what they are used for? Americans have the highest rate of gun-related murders in the entire world. Even with what’s going on in Melbourne, we Aussies still don’t come close to you.

With all due respect, what does that have to do with you?

Don't come here then. It's domestic policy, that's all.

You are free to disapprove, but it is irrelevent.

It's not restricting civil rights, it's saving lives. The only gays that hurt people are the catholic priests who molest children. Plus it doesn't if you wear a condom and that's not the only sexual activity gays can engage in.
yes, it is restricting civl rights.
i know it isnt the only sexual activity gays can do, its just that when they DO have anal sex it can cause HIV or AIDS or whatever.

I glad that you have all the answers... so clearly all debate should end now (sarcism intended)

Seriously, every single one of your points Khockist has an arguement on the other side... for one thing, all of your biblical references were from the Old Testament, while Christians are supposed to use the New Testament as their basis of believe, using the Old Testament carefully (ok, many don't but that is how its supposed to work).

by the way, recent reports indicate that US Marines actually found Sarin in Fallujah... thankfully it wasn't used.

I won't get into a arguement right now with you, but just remember, there are plenty of reasonable rational intelligent people who disagree with some or all of your statements.

yes, it is restricting civl rights.
i know it isnt the only sexual activity gays can do, its just that when they DO have anal sex it can cause HIV or AIDS or whatever.
Yeah, you can't take something away and say that it's for the peoples own good. Let's ban ciggarettes and alchohol, too. And how about drain cleaner! You know how many babies drink that stuff and get poisoned?

British Intelligence (Yes it's an oxymoron)

I hope that was a general comment aimed at all intelligence agencies the world over, and not a comment about the British in general.

yes, it is restricting civl rights.
i know it isnt the only sexual activity gays can do, its just that when they DO have anal sex it can cause HIV or AIDS or whatever.
Anal sex does not cause HIV and it does not cause AIDS. AIDS is caused by HIV, and according to my informant, HIV is caused by ignorance, so as far as AIDS goes, you sure as heck are not part of the solution... :rolleyes:

okay then, so anal sex causes HIV. whatever... what i was taught in school was that gays are more likely to get AIDS because of anal sex. lets not get into a talk about THAT though.. thats off topic and gross..

No anal sex does not cause HIV either. Whatever your ignorance makes you think, people's bums aren't magical places that suddenly construct a virus when something is inserted into them.

HIV is spread through contact of bodily fluids, be that fluid semen, vaginal secretions, mucous from the anorectal tract or blood. There is a slightly increased risk of contracting HIV through anal sex, but that risk is the same for heterosexuals as it is for homosexuals.

And, guess what? Female homosexuals are the group who have the lowest rates of HIV-infection. So much for those gay people being stricken...

Seriously, your state of ignorance about HIV/AIDS is alarming. Is the state of sex ed in your part of the world really so dismal? Let me guess, you're the result of "abstinence only" "education"?

Seriously, your state of ignorence about HIV/AIDS is alarming. Is the state of sex ed in your part of the world really so dismal?

OK, let's not get a supiriority(SP) complex here. I've heard enough of that.
Note: The bad spelling is to my not knowing how to spell that word, not the dismal state of education in my part of the world.

okay then, so anal sex causes HIV. whatever... what i was taught in school was that gays are more likely to get AIDS because of anal sex. lets not get into a talk about THAT though.. thats off topic and gross..
Hey, straight people like the buttsex too. THAT they don't teach you in school.

Hey, straight people like the buttsex too. THAT they don't teach you in school.

You mean there are straight people who don't have buttsex. Weird.

OK, let's not get a supiriority(SP) complex here. I've heard enough of that.
Note: The bad spelling is to my not knowing how to spell that word, not the dismal state of education in my part of the world.

I never said that education is dismal over there. Sex ed has obviously failed with him, which is not surprising if reports of what constitutes "sex ed" over there are correct.

1. No arguments.
2. No arguemnts.
3. Since when was marriage a civil right for anybody?
4. Clinton was impeached on the charge of perjury. He lied under oath. It's okay to lie in the forums, not like anyone can catch you, but when testifying under oath that is a whole 'nother story. 9/11 was not specifically predicted. No one knew that terrorists were going to fly planes into the WTC, the Pentagon and try to hit something else. We had evidence that al Qaida might use planes in some sort of attack, but no specific info. As far as I can tell there is no law broken here by having incomplete intel.
5. No arguments.
6. Communism is evil. It actively deprives people of a fundamental right, property. Anything that does that is evil. Life, Liberty and Property are inalienable. Communism isn't nice in theory. Not just that, but it stifles creativity, and stagnation is rampant. Communism is so often described as a perfect world. Wrong. A perfect world is one in which all three of the fundamental rights are protected from active interference.
7. Yes people should have guns. Guns fall under the Liberty and Property of the Fundamental rights I talked about. Just so you realize, in the US, hundreds of thousands of crimes were halted by individuals BRANDISHING guns, often times unloaded! This is fact, look it up.
An example you might have heard of. At Case Western Reserve University, there was a shooting a few years ago. The shooter was halted when a civilian wielding a pistol POINTED a gun at the shooter. The civilian didn't even pull the trigger! Of the news stories about this incident, only one mentioned the fact that a gun was involved in stopping the crime.

You, dear friend are full of misconceptions. There are three points of agreement, but those are obvious.

oh, and dont say being gay doesnt hurt anyone, anal sex causes AIDS. (i am not against gays or gay marriage, it's just a fact)


Actually, sex, any kind that's unprotected has the potential to cause AIDS.

I never said that education is dismal over there. Sex ed has obviously failed with him, which is not surprising if reports of what constitutes "sex ed" over there are correct.
Well, I started learning sex ed in 6th grade. (Yes 6th) I don't know what reports you're reading. I did see a report on the news about how religion was introduced into schools in the south, so they basically said, "Boys have different parts then girls. Don't have sex until you're married." I'm not saying all the south is like that, just small conservative communities.

Well, I started learning sex ed in 6th grade. (Yes 6th) I don't know what reports you're reading. I did see a report on the news about how religion was introduced into schools in the south, so they basically said, "Boys have different parts then girls. Don't have sex until you're married." I'm not saying all the south is like that, just small conservative communities.

Well "abstinence only" seems to be favoured by your federal government, and 6th grade, if that transfers to you being 12-13, is somewhat late from my perspective.

1. Iraq has no WMDs. The only time they had them was when they were an ally of the US and the States and it's allies generously supplied them with chemical agents to use against the Iranis. They were:

* Bacillus Anthracis aka Anthrax
* Clostridium Botulinum
* Histoplasma Capsulatum
* Brucella Melitensis
* Clostridium Perfrigens
* Eschericha coli aka E. coli

Don't believe me? Check the 1994 US. Senate Report. That's if it's not already heavily edited by now.

2. Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein hated each other. The only connection between Al-Qaeda and Iraq is that they are Arab and they are both getting the crap bombed out of them. Don't believe me on that either point either eh? Well according to the British Intelligence (Yes it's an oxymoron) report leaked to the BBC Bin Laden's "aims are in ideological conflict with present-day Iraq”. Al-Qaeda is out to create a pure Islam world but Iraq had churches and mosques of different sects and what’s worse, a synagogue. Also not to mention the fact Saddam Hussien triggered the invasion of Kuwait by the US. Now why would Al-Qaeda be pissed off with Saddam Hussein for bringing the west back to the middle-east? Oh wait…

3. You are restricting civil rights for gays if you don’t allow them to marry. The sanctity of marriage is, as I’ve said before, absolute horseshit. A hooker can marry a man for money within an hour of meeting him yet gays who have lived together for years are not allowed. Wake up, get over it, there is no sanctity in marriage. Ban all marriage in fact. It’s a huge pain in the arse. You’ve got to send out invitations, it’s hell on the bridesmaids who wear crappy dresses and today there is no guarantee that you will actually score with a bridesmaid. Plus you can’t throw rice now because birds explode and you pay thousands and thousands of dollars for a dress you only wear once. My proposal – ban all marriage or allow all marriage. Don’t be so prejudice against a minority.

4. Bush should have been impeached over missing the 9/11 threat. I mean, you nearly impeached Clinton because he lied about sex, something nearly every male does. By the way I have a large penis and have had sex seventy two times with all different women. But how could anyone miss a threat that big? And he is the President of the United States. Even Nostradamus saw it coming!

The machine of flying fire shall come to trouble the great besieged chief. Within there shall be so much sedition that those abandoned shall be in despair.
[Century 5, quatrain 34]

5. The bible is not always right. See let there be light could be a metaphor for the big bang, the creation of the universe in that precise moment but most bible thumpers think God just went click. And why don’t I see people burning bulls on altars to create a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9)? Why don’t people sell their daughters in to slavery (Exodus 21:7)? Why don’t people avoid contact with women when they are in there menstrual cleanliness (Leviticus 15:19 – 24)? Why don’t people possess slaves from neighboring countries (Leviticus 25:44)? Oh wait, they do. Well not technically slaves but people in the US tend to pay Mexicans slave wages. And if God really does exist, he isn’t going to choose a man on late-night pay TV with bad hair to be his messenger.

6. Communism isn’t evil. Communists aren’t all evil either. It just so happens that a lot of communists that get into power happen to be out of their minds. See communism does work really well in theory and it does have some good ideas (about all men and women being equal). But I will admit it didn’t take into account that men desire power and they are incredibly greedy. If you Americans want to find a corrupt system of government, look at your own.

7. People shouldn’t have guns. You are a lot more likely to shoot your family members than a burglar so scrap all that self-defense crap. Use a cricket bat like the rest of us. And it is wise to just hand over your wallet when someone has a gun to your face. Don’t go like Chow Yun Fat on him because you will get shot sooner or later. Those who want to go hunting, use a bow and arrow. Or a spear. Even a hunting knife. Isn’t that what they are used for? Americans have the highest rate of gun-related murders in the entire world. Even with what’s going on in Melbourne, we Aussies still don’t come close to you.
7.)The crime rate in Vermont is low when compared to similar states. The difference is that Vermont has very very few gun control laws and carryings perfectly legal. If you completely remove the inner city murder rate specifically the black on black 14-25 yr old murders the murder rate drops to a number near Canada'a. The black on black murder rate is a social problem, a big part of it the effect of welfare upon black families and the increasing out of wedlock birthrate. It's a social problem, in the end unconnected to guns. Ever since serious gun control has been enacted in Britain there has been a general rise of armed crime, mainly because the criminals know almost everyone is unarmed.
6.)"Intellectuals" bitch if people believe in things like magic yet can't accept the fact that as long as humans are humans, communism and communism lite(socialism) won't work. Of course democracy is corrupt, but the US government was designed to keep such corruption in check. It has worked remarkably well considering. As for Capitalism, life's a bitch but that's what works. Humans are not ants, as much as people on both sides of the argument would wish it so.
5). Slave wages my ass, firstly this minimum wage is bullshit because all it does is inflate cost for things across the board, and secondly the Illegal Immigrants came here for a reason. Oddly enough, almost every single person bitching about this is either black or white. NOT mexican, cuban etc.. etc.. And leviticus was just an asshole.
4.)I'll assume you're being a stupid shit here on purpose.
3.)My Proposal:Marriage is to be only defined as the churches want it to be. It will have no legal standing at all. Instead there will be civil unions, open to any two people 18 or older more than 3-4 steps of relation from each other. Conveys all the legal rights marriage currently does. Problem solved, now both sides can quit their fucking bitching.
2.)There's a saying that many people operate by. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Osama had plenty of contacts with Hussein. I could go into these in detail but I'm a lazy bastard. Look for them on your own, Google's a useful tool. Who do you think Osama saw as the bigger threat, the US or Saddam?
1.)Read the Duelfer Report. Also, there are satellite pictures which show large and highly abnormal truck traffic from Iraq to Syria in the weeks preceding war. Suddenly, soon after the Iraq war starts, Syria announces that it has a "usable" chem weapos stock. No connection there at all.

okay then, so anal sex causes HIV. whatever... what i was taught in school was that gays are more likely to get AIDS because of anal sex. lets not get into a talk about THAT though.. thats off topic and gross..
They were more likely to get it in the 70's and 80's because an accepted part of the "scene" at the time was to have lots of sex with a lot of different partners. This ocurred for both communities of course, but probably wasn't as strong in the heterosexual crowd. The gay community is by nature relatively insular so once HIV entered the community it spread rather easily because there was less likely to be a "dead end"(relatively or perhaps completely monogamous person), so to speak.

Hey, straight people like the buttsex too. THAT they don't teach you in school.
I wanted to make the off-colour anal sex joke. :( No fair.

And on the more serious side...
Originally Posted by Khockist
1. I agree.

2. Yup yup.

3. Yup. And it pisses me off when people speak of "tolerance," in terms of, 'oh we think they're disgusting, but we'll put up with them.' ACCEPTANCE people.

4. I think the whole 9/11 affair was quite a debacle. But IMO Bush shouldn't have been president anyway. :p

5. Go that. And besides, I know plenty of non-Christians, even people who aren't religious at all who are brilliant, ethical, good people. And they don't use the bible as a source of morality!

6. Totally. And I'd like to add that "communist" regimes that we've seen have not been communist at all. They may have been run by communists, I'll emphasise MAY here, but at best they can be described as state socialist.

7. I think owning guns is futile for self defense, however I'm reluctant to restrict people' freedoms completely. Tighter gun laws I think I do favour...

And you're from Melbourne! YAY!! Me too. The centre of gang violence in Australia. Well, actually I'm from Sydney, but I go to uni down here. :D

3. Since when was marriage a civil right for anybody?


I don't know. I thought restricting something that all straight people could do was imposing on civil rights somehow...


4. Clinton was impeached on the charge of perjury. He lied under oath. It's okay to lie in the forums, not like anyone can catch you, but when testifying under oath that is a whole 'nother story. 9/11 was not specifically predicted. No one knew that terrorists were going to fly planes into the WTC, the Pentagon and try to hit something else. We had evidence that al Qaida might use planes in some sort of attack, but no specific info. As far as I can tell there is no law broken here by having incomplete intel.


Actually he wasn't really impeached. There was a big inquiry that Americans (and not to mention Australians) had to listen to for an entire year. He was still the President and managed to get re-elected. But not acting on reports titled "Threat of Al-Qaeda Attacking The USA" or words to that effect should be an impeachable (is that a word?) offense. Not to mention starting a war under false pretences but you guys have done that more than once.


6. Communism is evil. It actively deprives people of a fundamental right, property. Anything that does that is evil. Life, Liberty and Property are inalienable. Communism isn't nice in theory. Not just that, but it stifles creativity, and stagnation is rampant. Communism is so often described as a perfect world. Wrong. A perfect world is one in which all three of the fundamental rights are protected from active interference.


I think you are getting slightly confused. It doesn't deprive people of property, it just so happens that the state owns all the property it sells to you. Communism doesn't deprive you of life, a gun-weilding maniac deprives you of life. See my point #7. Liberty is so that the working class don't get oppressed. I'm sorry but to see these Dead Peasants Insurance Policies pop up sickens me. I think Socialism does have a far better chance of succeding over Communism though. But I do understand where you are coming from.


7. Yes people should have guns. Guns fall under the Liberty and Property of the Fundamental rights I talked about. Just so you realize, in the US, hundreds of thousands of crimes were halted by individuals BRANDISHING guns, often times unloaded! This is fact, look it up.
An example you might have heard of. At Case Western Reserve University, there was a shooting a few years ago. The shooter was halted when a civilian wielding a pistol POINTED a gun at the shooter. The civilian didn't even pull the trigger! Of the news stories about this incident, only one mentioned the fact that a gun was involved in stopping the crime.


Somehow it doesn't fall under life. I don't think any human being should be given any more power to take away life.

http://www.endevil.com/guncontrol.html

Wanna see how effective gun control has reduced gun murder rates in other countries? But you did make me think of an interesting way to prevent gun deaths. Pointing a gun at the shooter stopped a crime. Perhaps we just allow people to have guns and restrict bullets. Or put up a bullet tax. Have guns cost 30c and bullets cost over $200. Then some guy might come up to you in the street and say, "I'd blow your head off, if I could afford it". Sorry, bad joke. But guns are just a quicker and more effecient way of killing each other. I don't want that. Do you?

I really , really don't think you should be saying ANYTHING about guns among the general populace killing people. Especially after then using communism in the same sentence. How many citizens who bought their guns on the legal market killed people? Compare the number of people killed by the numver of people killed by communist regimes. Somehow I doubt it approches anywhere near 160 million in less than 100 years. I really, really don't. I also love how it reduces "gun murder rates". You fail to mention that quite often the overall murder rate stays near the same and that crimes like robbery and rape tend to increase. The only time they don't is if you have a police state in which case the representatives of said police state tend to replace the criminals. Have a nice day.

Compare the number of people killed by the numver of people killed by communist regimes.
Did you read what I said about so-called communist regimes?
None of them were even close to communist.
And I don't see what can be gained from that comparison. There is no link between the two.

oh, and dont say being gay doesnt hurt anyone, anal sex causes AIDS. (i am not against gays or gay marriage, it's just a fact)
And so does ordinary sex, haven't you had sex-ed?

It's vocabulary time everyone! Let's learn the word impeach!

Impeach is one of those crazy transitive verbs, and it means to accuse an official with a crime! Clinton was impeached. He was charged with a crime of lieing under oath. Bush ignored one document, and a fucking ocean of documents. That is not a crime. The more vocabulary we know, the better the world can be!

oh, and dont say being gay doesnt hurt anyone, anal sex causes AIDS.

WHAT, just no... AIDS is a desease not something the body developes in response to anal sex... what is that... thats so unutterably... words completely fail me...

I don't know. I thought restricting something that all straight people could do was imposing on civil rights somehow...



Actually he wasn't really impeached. There was a big inquiry that Americans (and not to mention Australians) had to listen to for an entire year. He was still the President and managed to get re-elected. But not acting on reports titled "Threat of Al-Qaeda Attacking The USA" or words to that effect should be an impeachable (is that a word?) offense. Not to mention starting a war under false pretences but you guys have done that more than once.



I think you are getting slightly confused. It doesn't deprive people of property, it just so happens that the state owns all the property it sells to you. Communism doesn't deprive you of life, a gun-weilding maniac deprives you of life. See my point #7. Liberty is so that the working class don't get oppressed. I'm sorry but to see these Dead Peasants Insurance Policies pop up sickens me. I think Socialism does have a far better chance of succeding over Communism though. But I do understand where you are coming from.



Somehow it doesn't fall under life. I don't think any human being should be given any more power to take away life.

http://www.endevil.com/guncontrol.html

Wanna see how effective gun control has reduced gun murder rates in other countries? But you did make me think of an interesting way to prevent gun deaths. Pointing a gun at the shooter stopped a crime. Perhaps we just allow people to have guns and restrict bullets. Or put up a bullet tax. Have guns cost 30c and bullets cost over $200. Then some guy might come up to you in the street and say, "I'd blow your head off, if I could afford it". Sorry, bad joke. But guns are just a quicker and more effecient way of killing each other. I don't want that. Do you?

I don't like the concept of state run marriage anyways. Leave marriage to the churches, civil unions to the state.

No, Clinton was impeached. Impeachment is a massive inquiry carried out by the Senate, not the actual removal from office. And he was re-elected before the impeachment. Let's get our timelines right. Impeachable offense is a word. But, similar reports have been circulating since the early nineties. And Clinton did Jack-Diddly-Squat to deal with them.

What are you talking about? Communism deprives people of their justly acquired property. There is no question about it. Have you ever even read Marx? Your definition is clearly wrong. You might be talking about some sort of statism, not communism though. Also, if the state owns everything, and it sells you something, that something is still part of everything and the state can take it back whenever it damn well pleases. Hence, depriving people of property. Communism deprives of property. Liberty is that people can do what they want with their resources when and how they want to. Not this bull about working class oppression you're talking about.

A gun is not evil. Only two things are capable of being evil, people and ideas. A gun is an inert object, that just sits there. It can be used for evil purposes, but so can napkins, and spoons and hats. It is my liberty to own what I want, and if I want to own a gun, then it's my right. A gun is an efficient method to kill people, yes, but there are those out there who are perfectly sane and own guns. They have never shot anybody. And it would help if your source wasn't so blatantly anti-gun.

1. Yeah, we gave them a lot of stuff, just like how we gave a lot of stuff to other countries that it all ended up biting us in the ass. Our bad on that one.

2. Yeah, we knew.

3. Yes, it can be very well argued that this is restricting an American's civil rights restricting him or her from thing like this. But it would be a big change, and that scares a lot of people. Gay's well be allowed to marry sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. And agreed, it is a huge pain in the ass.

4. Bush missed it because plans like this don't just hatch and go into action over night. Clinton missed the threat on his watch. There's a lot of controversy over this issue still. I think that even if everyone knew that terrorists we're going to fly planes into the Twin Towers sometime soon, it still wouldn't have been prevented. What are you going to do? Permanantly ground all air traffic? They would need to know exactly who is doing it... blah, not going to go too far into this again.

And to quote a quatrain Nostradamus on this, come on man.


5. Not even going to get into this. I'm Agnostic, so don't get a different impression.

6. Communism isn't evil, it just doesn't work when applied, and it is definately not a goverment system that I would ever want to be under. A lot of people feel this way.

7. That's your opinion, and mine is that (within certain rules/regulations/limits) people should be allowed to own firearms.

I don't know. I thought restricting something that all straight people could do was imposing on civil rights somehow...



Actually he wasn't really impeached. There was a big inquiry that Americans (and not to mention Australians) had to listen to for an entire year. He was still the President and managed to get re-elected. But not acting on reports titled "Threat of Al-Qaeda Attacking The USA" or words to that effect should be an impeachable (is that a word?) offense. Not to mention starting a war under false pretences but you guys have done that more than once.



I think you are getting slightly confused. It doesn't deprive people of property, it just so happens that the state owns all the property it sells to you. Communism doesn't deprive you of life, a gun-weilding maniac deprives you of life. See my point #7. Liberty is so that the working class don't get oppressed. I'm sorry but to see these Dead Peasants Insurance Policies pop up sickens me. I think Socialism does have a far better chance of succeding over Communism though. But I do understand where you are coming from.



Somehow it doesn't fall under life. I don't think any human being should be given any more power to take away life.

http://www.endevil.com/guncontrol.html

Wanna see how effective gun control has reduced gun murder rates in other countries? But you did make me think of an interesting way to prevent gun deaths. Pointing a gun at the shooter stopped a crime. Perhaps we just allow people to have guns and restrict bullets. Or put up a bullet tax. Have guns cost 30c and bullets cost over $200. Then some guy might come up to you in the street and say, "I'd blow your head off, if I could afford it". Sorry, bad joke. But guns are just a quicker and more effecient way of killing each other. I don't want that. Do you?


That site is hilarious. Now it's 22x more likely, this gets funnier every time I hear it. It used to be 6x. I guess that's why Englands crime rate is now the highest of any industrialized country per capita and has gone up 350% since the gun bans were enacted.

BTW. Ammunition can be homemade and Clinton was impeached. If you're going to spout, at least get your facts in order.

okay then, so anal sex causes HIV. whatever... what i was taught in school was that gays are more likely to get AIDS because of anal sex. lets not get into a talk about THAT though.. thats off topic and gross..


Heterosexuals have anal sex all the time.

Did you read what I said about so-called communist regimes?
None of them were even close to communist.
And I don't see what can be gained from that comparison. There is no link between the two.

Except for the fact that every single one of those regimes removed the right to bear arms from the populace as one of their first acts.

okay then, so anal sex causes HIV. whatever... what i was taught in school was that gays are more likely to get AIDS because of anal sex. lets not get into a talk about THAT though.. thats off topic and gross..


So does heterosexual sex

Blood transfusions

Needle sharing

And any time body mass/fluids are transferred (kissing too …. Believe it or not … its very very unlikely but sometimes there is things like blood particals carried in saliva … so I suppose it is just kissing where there is blood in saliva which is actually fairly common to have blood … not the transfer but it has happened)

Stop being ignorant

7. People shouldn’t have guns. You are a lot more likely to shoot your family members than a burglar so scrap all that self-defense crap.

Here's something I recieved via E-mail entitled "Physicians vs. Gun Owners"

PHYSICIANS:
>> a. The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
>> b. Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000.
>> c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 (statistics courtesy of the U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services.)

GUNS:
>> a. The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
>> b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
>> c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Remember: "Guns don't kill people, doctors do!"

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR!

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!

Gay's well be allowed to marry sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. And agreed, it is a huge pain in the ass.* snerk *

Hey, when's Gunther coming along to administer the wedgie?

Here's something I recieved via E-mail entitled "Physicians vs. Gun Owners"

PHYSICIANS:
>> a. The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
>> b. Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000.
>> c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 (statistics courtesy of the U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services.)

GUNS:
>> a. The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
>> b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
>> c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Remember: "Guns don't kill people, doctors do!"

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR!

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!

Lol very nice :-D

(lets not forget in the case of doctors it said “accidental deaths” we cant forget about those on purpose ones!)

lol (if you cant tell that last part was a joke)

Thanks, UpwardThrust. I try. :D

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!I'm probably taking your post too seriously, but when was the last time you saw a gun owner save someone's life? I'm sure doctors are thousands of times more helpful to people than gun owners.

I'm probably taking your post too seriously, but when was the last time you saw a gun owner save someone's life? I'm sure doctors are thousands of times more helpful to people than gun owners.

Those statistics are real, and I've seen several people save lives with guns.

Those statistics are real, and I've seen several people save lives with guns.
Maybe, but no where close to the number of deaths gun owners cause, whereas doctors are more likely to save a patient's life than end it.

Did you read what I said about so-called communist regimes?
None of them were even close to communist.
And I don't see what can be gained from that comparison. There is no link between the two.
LOL. Still using that tired argument?

Here is a new way to look at it.

The Crusades were not fought by 'real' Christians. They did not embrace the ideolgies of Christianity or practice it's principals.

LOL. Still using that tired argument?

Here is a new way to look at it.

The Crusades were not fought by 'real' Christians. They did not embrace the ideolgies of Christianity or practice it's principals.


Lol very true … but with as ambiguous as some things are is there really any true ideal ? so much is left open for interpretation I say no lol

The Crusades were not fought by 'real' Christians. They did not embrace the ideolgies of Christianity or practice it's principals.It wasn't; they didn't. The Bible says "thou shalt not kill", remember?

The USSR was a dictatorship using communism as an excuse for oppression, not a land truly following the principles advocated by Marx and Engles.

It wasn't; they didn't. The Bible says "thou shalt not kill", remember?

The USSR was a dictatorship using communism as an excuse for oppression, not a land truly following the principles advocated by Marx and Engles.


Lol now replace USSR with "cristianity throughout time" and comunism with religion

Lol now replace USSR with "cristianity throughout time" and comunism with religion
I'm in full agreement with you about the effects and overall practices of organized religion.

Just gonna pick and choose what I want to comment on :D


2. Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein hated each other. The only connection between Al-Qaeda and Iraq is that they are Arab and they are both getting the crap bombed out of them. Don't believe me on that either point either eh? Well according to the British Intelligence (Yes it's an oxymoron) report leaked to the BBC Bin Laden's "aims are in ideological conflict with present-day Iraq”. Al-Qaeda is out to create a pure Islam world but Iraq had churches and mosques of different sects and what’s worse, a synagogue. Also not to mention the fact Saddam Hussien triggered the invasion of Kuwait by the US. Now why would Al-Qaeda be pissed off with Saddam Hussein for bringing the west back to the middle-east? Oh wait…


I don't think any intelligence agency debates what OBL's goals are or that he hated Saddam, but that's not the same thing as saying there was no connection between the two. There's no evidence that there was any collaborative relationship between Al Qaeda and Iraq, but there is evidence of Iraqi Intelligence officials meeting senior Al Qaeda members on several occasions, as well as Iraqis training AQ members. Neither the 9/11 commision nor the Lord Butler report disputes this, however the latter states that there was no connection between Iraq and AQ because for whatever reason they maintain that AQ was not AQ until *after* 1998 (even though there were AQ attacks before 1998) and there's no evidence of any meetings or training after 1998.


3. You are restricting civil rights for gays if you don’t allow them to marry. The sanctity of marriage is, as I’ve said before, absolute horseshit. A hooker can marry a man for money within an hour of meeting him yet gays who have lived together for years are not allowed. Wake up, get over it, there is no sanctity in marriage. Ban all marriage in fact. It’s a huge pain in the arse. You’ve got to send out invitations, it’s hell on the bridesmaids who wear crappy dresses and today there is no guarantee that you will actually score with a bridesmaid. Plus you can’t throw rice now because birds explode and you pay thousands and thousands of dollars for a dress you only wear once. My proposal – ban all marriage or allow all marriage. Don’t be so prejudice against a minority.

Gays can marry; they can even marry each other provided they are of opposite sex. :D . Even though I disagree with the majority of Americans (I have no problem with gay marriage or polygamy) it's more than bigotry at work here: many people just believe that marriage should be restricted to being between a man and a woman.

7. People shouldn’t have guns. You are a lot more likely to shoot your family members than a burglar so scrap all that self-defense crap. Use a cricket bat like the rest of us. And it is wise to just hand over your wallet when someone has a gun to your face. Don’t go like Chow Yun Fat on him because you will get shot sooner or later. Those who want to go hunting, use a bow and arrow. Or a spear. Even a hunting knife. Isn’t that what they are used for? Americans have the highest rate of gun-related murders in the entire world. Even with what’s going on in Melbourne, we Aussies still don’t come close to you.

You're just paranoid about people with guns, because you don't trust yourself with a gun. Since you don't trust yourself with one, you can't understand the fact that ANYONE should be allowed to have one. Oh, except for the police and military. Thankfully about 99% of gun owners (or at least gun owning households) are responsible ones.

Maybe, but no where close to the number of deaths gun owners cause, whereas doctors are more likely to save a patient's life than end it.

If owning a gun saves just one life . . .

If owning a gun saves just one life . . .That's fallacious, if someone kills two people but saves one person's life, they'd definitely still get convicted and jailed.

It wasn't; they didn't. The Bible says "thou shalt not kill", remember?

The USSR was a dictatorship using communism as an excuse for oppression, not a land truly following the principles advocated by Marx and Engles.


"Thou shall not murder" there is a difference.

"Thou shall not murder" there is a difference.
Pfft, tell me if the original Hebrew text made such a distinction between private citizens killing and authorized killing on the part of a government, and I might deign to argue semantics with you.

S N I P
Americans have the highest rate of gun-related murders in the entire world. Even with what’s going on in Melbourne, we Aussies still don’t come close to you.
You're just not trying hard enough!

"Thou shall not murder" there is a difference.

Actually, the literal Hebrew translation is: You should not take a life.

Later, in Leviticus and other places, "life" is defined. It includes certain animals (such as pigs, which are not kosher). The Bible also defines life as beginning at birth, not conception.

Interestingly enough, convicting Scott Peterson for killing the unborn child goes against God's law. So much for the US being a Christian nation. *shrug*

oh, and dont say being gay doesnt hurt anyone, anal sex causes AIDS. (i am not against gays or gay marriage, it's just a fact)
ow...that pain in the frontal lobe again..you know..the pain you get when your IQ drops just because you read something incredibly stupid... must make it go away.. :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

A gun is not evil. Only two things are capable of being evil, people and ideas. A gun is an inert object, that just sits there. It can be used for evil purposes, but so can napkins, and spoons and hats. It is my liberty to own what I want, and if I want to own a gun, then it's my right. A gun is an efficient method to kill people, yes, but there are those out there who are perfectly sane and own guns. They have never shot anybody. And it would help if your source wasn't so blatantly anti-gun.
soo...I can own all the drugs I want?? sweet!!

The USSR was a dictatorship using communism as an excuse for oppression, not a land truly following the principles advocated by Marx and Engles.
Let's not forget that not all communists are Marxists. ;)

oh, and dont say being gay doesnt hurt anyone, anal sex causes AIDS. (i am not against gays or gay marriage, it's just a fact)
Uuuhhhuhuuu, almost fell from my chair. I know this has been dealed with already but I couldn't resist. anal sex causes aids. woohoohooho This have to be the funniest thing I've heard this month. :D