NationStates Jolt Archive

this is mainly for people in the United States, although i would like to hear opinions from people in other countries.

I am just wondering what other Americans think about what Europeans are saying about America, or if they even care.

I love France, although Chirac is just another politician, really. Better than the one the US's got in office, though.

Well I think we should have a decent respect of other nation's opinions.

We don't have to follow their advice but we need to listen and not brush them off.
People who say they don't care are uninformed people. And that is a sad thing for democracy.

Mostly people say they don't care only when europeans say bad things about them. But how will you ever learn if you never hear your scoldings. Same way parents can't teach a kid who does not listen.

Granted we usually are in the right in the past. So listening was always that important but lately we are moving in bad directions in my opinion. Allowing and endorsing Preemptive strikes. That is like punishing you son because you think he might do something bad.

Its unfair and unjust. Post emptive strikes are the only kind that can be justified.

[QUOTE=BastardSword]Allowing and endorsing Preemptive strikes. That is like punishing you son because you think he might do something bad.

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i agree that post emptive strikes are the only ones that can be justified

i like the way you pictured preemptive strikes with a child, but that would be an accurate picture if weapons such as the nuclear bomb were not created.

in todays world you must watch your enemys. if there is any threat it becomes a kill or be killed situation.

I love France, although Chirac is just another politician, really. Better than the one the US's got in office, though.

Isn't Chirac looking at some jail time in the near future?

Well I think we should have a decent respect of other nation's opinions.

We don't have to follow their advice but we need to listen and not brush them off.
People who say they don't care are uninformed people. And that is a sad thing for democracy.

Mostly people say they don't care only when europeans say bad things about them. But how will you ever learn if you never hear your scoldings. Same way parents can't teach a kid who does not listen.

Granted we usually are in the right in the past. So listening was always that important but lately we are moving in bad directions in my opinion. Allowing and endorsing Preemptive strikes. That is like punishing you son because you think he might do something bad.

Its unfair and unjust. Post emptive strikes are the only kind that can be justified.
More like killing a serial killer who has commited crimes elsewhere just not near you.

In the end, I really don't give a damn what Europeans think of America. Nor do I care what other Americans think of America. I don't care what you think of me, or what he thinks of she. The people that I care about are the people that I care about. While I'll listen to other people's viewpoints, and if they are particularly persuasive, they might convince me to look at things a little differently, but the only opinions that really matter to me are those of the people dearest to me.

Well I think we should have a decent respect of other nation's opinions.

We don't have to follow their advice but we need to listen and not brush them off.
People who say they don't care are uninformed people. And that is a sad thing for democracy.

Mostly people say they don't care only when europeans say bad things about them. But how will you ever learn if you never hear your scoldings. Same way parents can't teach a kid who does not listen.

Granted we usually are in the right in the past. So listening was always that important but lately we are moving in bad directions in my opinion. Allowing and endorsing Preemptive strikes. That is like punishing you son because you think he might do something bad.

Its unfair and unjust. Post emptive strikes are the only kind that can be justified.

What?!!

Scoldings?!!

I hardly think that europe's the US's parent. That's just silly.

Isn't Chirac looking at some jail time in the near future?

Altough at least as corrupt as Bush and Cheney, he will face his judges after his term.
The guy that is in real danger (8 years) is Berlusconi. Remember when he let his majority vote for invulnabarity? The president (centre right) aborted this undemocratic law, so next december, he will face his judges for corruption, fraude aso till murder on journalists (but the latest after his term).

Altough at least as corrupt as Bush and Cheney, he will face his judges after his term.
The guy that is in real danger (8 years) is Berlusconi. Remember when he let his majority vote for invulnabarity? The president (centre right) aborted this undemocratic law, so next december, he will face his judges for corruption, fraude aso till murder on journalists (but the latest after his term).

I don't think corruption is Bush's problem. It's more a policy issue people have with him, After all, the white house never hid any of Cheney's Haliburton connections so people knew what was going on.

Isn't Chirac looking at some jail time in the near future?
Yes, and that's why it's so pathetic that the US politicians are worse than him.

Yes, and that's why it's so pathetic that the US politicians are worse than him.

You can't lock a politician up just because you don't agree with their policies.

And are they worse?

You can't lock a politician up just because you don't agree with their policies.

And are they worse?
It seems that even Chirac, self-serving blowhard that he is, has a higher international credibility than Bush. That's sad.

Chirac's bad, but he's not nearly as bad as de Gaulle.

Chirac's bad, but he's not nearly as bad as de Gaulle.

De Gaulle: I want all american troops off french soil.

LBJ: Does that include the ones beneath it ?


Classic. And usually I don't care much for LBJ

At least Chirac didn't hand over a nation (Algeria) on a silver platter to a genocidal, tyrannical criminal who liked to tear peoples' throats out (Ahmed Ben Bella). The French government published a nameless book during the Algerian civil war which showed pictures of the atrocities Ben Bella committed, against both Frenchmen and the Algerian Muslims he was purportedly liberating. Of course, once traitor de Gaulle took over, the book virtually disappeared.

Moreover, de Gaulle was an ardent anti-American and a sympathizer of genocidal tyrant Ho Chi Minh, who was Ahmed Ben Bella x1,000.

Classic. And usually I don't care much for LBJ

Lol

Chirac's bad, but he's not nearly as bad as de Gaulle.
That's true. You don't need to prove it hysterically! De Gaulle was the most arrogant person in history.

"Our wonderful French Army has liberated Paris!" (1944) :rolleyes:

Did you know that de Gaulle had more attempts on his life than anyone else in history?

That's true. You don't need to prove it hysterically! De Gaulle was the most arrogant person in history.

"Our wonderful French Army has liberated Paris!" (1944) :rolleyes:

Actually I think the most arrogant man in recent history was probably Idi Amin. De Gaulle's a close second though.

Did you know that de Gaulle had more attempts on his life than anyone else in history?

And who says the average frenchman doesn't have good taste ?

Actually I think the most arrogant man in recent history was probably Idi Amin. De Gaulle's a close second though.

What would you consider recent history? If by recent you mean within the last half a century, I'd have to say Rafael Trujillo, hands down. He named practically everything in the Dominican Republic after himself, and had the largest cult of personality in world history, according to the Guinness Book of World Records (I think that was the source).

What would you consider recent history? If by recent you mean within the last half a century, I'd have to say Rafael Trujillo, hands down. He named practically everything in the Dominican Republic after himself, and had the largest cult of personality in world history, according to the Guinness Book of World Records (I think that was the source).

Oh I thought we were just going by blowhard idocy and an overblown sense of importance in the world.

Like when Idi offered to send the UK foreign aid money to "help" them out.

Also his planned invasion of Isreal.

That's some good stuff.

If we are going by the drive to stick your name on everything then my money is on Senator Robert Byrd (D. W-Va.)

Yes, and that's why it's so pathetic that the US politicians are worse than him.
Your sure it's not Berlusconi your thinking of?

Actually I think the most arrogant man in recent history was probably Idi Amin. De Gaulle's a close second though.
My vote goes to George W. Bush. Or was that for dumbest politician? Or both?

this is mainly for people in the United States, although i would like to hear opinions from people in other countries.

I am just wondering what other Americans think about what Europeans are saying about America, or if they even care.
Is it true that Jacques Chriac was Yasser Arafat's gay lover?

Is it true that Jacques Chriac was Yasser Arafat's gay lover?
No. That was Laura Bush. Or should I say Laurel?

No. That was Laura Bush. Or should I say Laurel?

to be a gay lover of a man you most also be a man, so laura is out of questioning, but it doesnt exclude hillary

to be a gay lover of a man you most also be a man, so laura is out of questioning, but it doesnt exclude hillary
Laurel wasn't always the woman he is now.

does anyone know if the un is going to do anything about Jacques Chirac's role in helping suddam.
or is it ok because hes french?
kind of like it is ok that the mentally challenged kid down the street forgets to put on pants sometimes.

does anyone know if the un is going to do anything about Jacques Chirac's role in helping suddam.
or is it ok because hes french?
kind of like it is ok that the mentally challenged kid down the street forgets to put on pants sometimes.
You might as well ask if they will do something about Bush sr. or Reagan for helping Saddam.

My vote goes to George W. Bush. Or was that for dumbest politician? Or both?

He not arrogant because he believes in Jebus. He's humble.

Honestly get with the program VW/

it is becomming more and more obvious that the un is useless and should be abolished. all it does is say they regulate what certain countrys do and then does nothing about it when they break the rules. kind of like an parent telling a child "dont do that" but does nothing to stop them when they do it.
Even in the natural world the strongest always win. but some people dont want to accept that fact and feel we must listen to a smaller weaker nation. as a strong nation if we feel it neccesarry to attack or defend then we need to do so, we should not be pushed around by smaller weaker nations

does anyone know if the un is going to do anything about Jacques Chirac's role in helping suddam.
or is it ok because hes french?
kind of like it is ok that the mentally challenged kid down the street forgets to put on pants sometimes.
It's so very French. They love an underdog, especially if it's a despotic underdog. Then they call names when others do the same. They are really pretty funny when they do that. Just like that kid you mentioned they serve a higher purpose. To make the rest of us realize how well off we are by comparison.

Honestly get with the program VW/

He is arrogant. He claims to speak to Jesus. But when I asked Jesus at the bar if he ever spoke to Bush he denied. He said he'd never would speak to such an idiot.

He is arrogant. He claims to speak to Jesus. But when I asked Jesus at the bar if he ever spoke to Bush he denied. He said he'd never would speak to such an idiot.

i dont think bush has said he has spoken to jesus but that he follows jesus teachings, I see jesus all the time, whenever i go to the mexican part of town

He is arrogant. He claims to speak to Jesus. But when I asked Jesus at the bar if he ever spoke to Bush he denied. He said he'd never would speak to such an idiot.

You speak to jesus at the bar ?

Are you sure it's not just someone having you on.