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Arafat-peaceful terrorist?

Sanctaphrax
13-11-2004, 20:55
Well, Steph wanted a title that is less likely to invoke trolling so here you go. Don't give the mods an excuse to lock it so no flaming etc...
Views about Arafat here.
Right-Wing America
13-11-2004, 20:59
Yassir Arafat..... a great rebel fighter against the imperialist forces of zionism. May he rest in peace in muslim paradise.
Sanctaphrax
13-11-2004, 21:00
Yassir Arafat..... a great rebel fighter against the imperialist forces of zionism. May he rest in peace in muslim paradise.
How come you people (white supremacists) cannot tell the difference between a Jew, an Israeli and a Zionist. I am only 1 and 2. And no, may he rest in the deepest pits of hell.
OceanDrive
13-11-2004, 21:07
....Don't give the mods an excuse to lock it so no flaming etc...
Views about Arafat here.
Who are you? you stole my buddy(Sanspharx) Password!!

How come you people (white supremacists) cannot tell the difference between a Jew, an Israeli and a Zionist. I am only 1 and 2. And no, may he rest in the deepest pits of hell.

Oh there you are :D
Right-Wing America
13-11-2004, 21:13
How come you people (white supremacists) cannot tell the difference between a Jew, an Israeli and a Zionist. I am only 1 and 2. And no, may he rest in the deepest pits of hell.

israel was deemed racist by the U.N. It is a corrupt regime which has broken many rules and does not listen to the U.N http://www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pages/isreal_un_resolutions.htm as such to support such a racist rogue nation would make you the supremacist not me.... :rolleyes:
American Republic
13-11-2004, 21:40
And we all know that the UN is a piece of crap too since they don't have the balls to stand up to the Palestinians and bash Israel every chance they get!

Arafat did do some good, I won't deny it however, he did alot of bad things like supporting terror as one and the other one being turning down the offer presented at Camp David. It is sad that he'll be remember mostly for these things but he did put the Palesinian Cause on the map though I blame the other Middle East Nations for thier Plight!
Selgin
13-11-2004, 21:41
Yasser Arafat, benefactor of his people: while they live in squalor, he embezzled at least 900 million, and some think up to 9 billion (see article, may need a login):
NYTimes Yasser Arafat (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/11/international/middleeast/11arafat.html?pagewanted=2&oref=login)

The 1972 Munich Olympic massacre of Israeli athletes:
Munich Massacre (http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_munich.php)

Not to mention his numerous other terrorist actions with the PLO and Fatah, his perfection of the art of blowing up his own people's children to do harm to his enemy, and being known as the father of modern terrorism. An example to us all. RIP - Roast in Pieces.
Halloccia
13-11-2004, 21:58
israel was deemed racist by the U.N. It is a corrupt regime which has broken many rules and does not listen to the U.N http://www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pages/isreal_un_resolutions.htm as such to support such a racist rogue nation would make you the supremacist not me.... :rolleyes:

*yawn* Why does anyone listen to the UN today? I don't know of anything the UN has been truely successful at. They suck at nation building, keeping peace, preventing genocide and keeping some dignity. The Oil-for-Food scandal is enough to corrupt the enitre beuracracy at the UN and until it is cleaned out, the UN is basically useless other than an international forum. Koffi Annan and his ilk need to be pushed out and someone with integrity put in charge. If only the UN would quit screaming when their own resolutions are enforced and actually get something done if a member nation commited genocide (like in Sudan) instead of issueing stupid "resolutions" that are of little use other than toilet paper.

Sorry to rant, but I'm tired of people who love the UN even though they have almost no results when it comes to peace and nation building.
Qantrix
13-11-2004, 22:13
First of all he was corrupt as hell (billions of dollars went to him, his friends and to supporting terrorists, dollars that were our tax money and were ment for humanitarian purposes) and second he was clearly a terrorist (he led various terrorist organisations, he issued terrorist attacks, he funded terrorist organisations and he refused to take action against them.)

Indeed, the UN is a piece of crap, a useless burocratic monster, which has a huge bias for the palestinians.
Terra Zetegenia
13-11-2004, 22:13
The Emperor of Terra Zetegenia accidentally voted evil, when he clearly should have voted neither. While, in the past, he was evil, currently he is preparing for an extremely extended period of time in one of the most neutral occupations that one can find - worm food. Ergo, saying he is a terrorist would be inaccurate - he WAS a terrorist, he IS a buffet table.
Qantrix
13-11-2004, 22:24
Here's a article I recently recieved by mail, I think it was from the Boston Globe or some other american newspaper, I think I couldn't agree less.

Arafat the monster
By Jeff Jacoby
YASSER ARAFAT died at age 75, lying in bed surrounded by familiar faces. He left this world peacefully, unlike the thousands of victims he sent to early graves.

In a better world, the PLO chief would have met his end on a gallows, hanged for mass murder much as the Nazi chiefs were hanged at Nuremberg. In a better world, the French president would not have paid a visit to the bedside of such a monster. In a better world, George Bush would not have said, on hearing the first reports that Arafat had died, "God bless his soul."

God bless his soul? What a grotesque idea! Bless the soul of the man who brought modern terrorism to the world? Who sent his agents to slaughter athletes at the Olympics, blow airliners out of the sky, bomb schools and pizzerias, machine-gun passengers in airline terminals? Who lied, cheated, and stole without compunction? Who inculcated the vilest culture of Jew-hatred since the Third Reich?

Human beings might stoop to bless a creature so evil - as indeed Arafat was blessed, with money, deference, even a Nobel Prize - but God, I am quite sure, will damn him for eternity.
Arafat always inspired flights of nonsense from Western journalists, and his last two weeks were no exception.
Derek Brown wrote in The Guardian that Arafat's "undisputed courage as a guerrilla leader" was exceeded only "by his extraordinary courage" as a peace negotiator. But it is an odd kind of courage that expresses itself in shooting unarmed victims - or in signing peace accords and then flagrantly violating their terms.

Another commentator, columnist Gwynne Dyer, asked, "So what did Arafat do right?" The answer: He drew worldwide attention to the Palestinian cause, "for the most part by successful acts of terror." In other words, butchering innocent human beings was "right," since it served an ulterior political motive. No doubt that thought brings daily comfort to all those who were forced to bury a child, parent, or spouse because of Arafat's "successful" terrorism.

Some journalists couldn't wait for Arafat's actual death to begin weeping for him. Take the BBC's Barbara Plett, who burst into tears on the day he was airlifted out of the West Bank. "When the helicopter carrying the frail old man rose above his ruined compound," Plett reported from Ramallah, "I started to cry." Normal people don't weep for brutal murderers, but Plett made it clear that her empathy for Arafat -- whom she praised as "a symbol of Palestinian unity, steadfastness, and resistance" -- was heartfelt:
"I remember well when the Israelis re-conquered the West Bank more than two years ago, how they drove their tanks and bulldozers into Mr. Arafat's headquarters, trapping him in a few rooms, and throwing a military curtain around Ramallah. I remember how Palestinians admired his refusal to flee under fire. They told me:
`Our leader is sharing our pain, we are all under the same siege.'
And so was I."
Such is the state of journalism at the BBC, whose reporters do not seem to have any trouble reporting, dry-eyed, on the plight of Arafat's victims.(That is, when they mention them - which Plett's teary bon voyage to Arafat did not.)
And what about those victims? Why were they scarcely remembered in this Arafat death watch?

How is it possible to reflect on Arafat's most enduring legacy - the rise of modern terrorism - without recalling the legions of men, women, and children whose lives he and his followers destroyed? If Osama bin Laden were on his deathbed, would we neglect to mention all those he murdered on 9/11?
It would take an encyclopedia to catalog all of the evil Arafat committed. But that is no excuse for not trying to recall at least some of it.
Perhaps his signal contribution to the practice of political terror was the introduction of warfare against children.

On one black date in May 1974, three PLO terrorists slipped from Lebanon into the northern Israeli town of Ma'alot. They murdered two parents and a child whom they found at home, then seized a local school, taking more than 100 boys and girls hostage and threatening to kill them unless a number of imprisoned terrorists were released. When Israeli troops attempted a rescue, the terrorists exploded hand grenades and opened fire on the students. By the time the horror ended, 25 people were dead; 21 of them were children.
Thirty years later, no one speaks of Ma'alot anymore. The dead children have been forgotten. Everyone knows Arafat's name, but who ever recalls the names of his victims?

So let us recall them:
Ilana Turgeman. Rachel Aputa. Yocheved Mazoz. Sarah Ben-Shim'on. Yona Sabag. Yafa Cohen. Shoshana Cohen. Michal Sitrok. Malka Amrosy. Aviva Saada. Yocheved Diyi. Yaakov Levi. Yaakov Kabla. Rina Cohen. Ilana Ne'eman. Sarah Madar. Tamar Dahan. Sarah Soper. Lili Morad. David Madar. Yehudit Madar.
The 21 dead children of Ma'alot - 21 of the thousands of who died at Arafat's command.
Zooke
13-11-2004, 22:48
We were all sickened and the UN vehemently denounced the terrorist attack on school children in Russia.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3624024.stm

But what does the UN do about this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1031890.stm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/24/world/main608523.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/08/19/jerusalem.bombing/

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000796.html

These is nothing that justifies this man's brutality. He was a monster.

They denounce Israel for "forcing" the Palestinian extemists to attack innocents. This is Arafat's legacy.

http://www.dhushara.com/book/torah/shy/bomb3.jpg
Superpower07
13-11-2004, 23:21
Feh, Arafat was doing some good up to 1994; I'll give him credit for Oslo, and ONLY that.

Otherwise I view him as a double-crossing jerk.


BTW, I am also a critic of Ariel Sharon, so don't get any ideas . . .
Zooke
13-11-2004, 23:25
So let us recall them:
Ilana Turgeman. Rachel Aputa. Yocheved Mazoz. Sarah Ben-Shim'on. Yona Sabag. Yafa Cohen. Shoshana Cohen. Michal Sitrok. Malka Amrosy. Aviva Saada. Yocheved Diyi. Yaakov Levi. Yaakov Kabla. Rina Cohen. Ilana Ne'eman. Sarah Madar. Tamar Dahan. Sarah Soper. Lili Morad. David Madar. Yehudit Madar.[/

http://www.terror.co.il/english/pictures2.html
Holy Paradise
13-11-2004, 23:32
Peachful Terrorist.......hmmmmmmm.......that's a major oxymoron.
Conceptualists
13-11-2004, 23:42
Peachful Terrorist.......hmmmmmmm.......that's a major oxymoron.
Well Gandhi could have been considered a terrorist. He certainly wasn't violent
Armed Bookworms
13-11-2004, 23:48
See, Ghandi was what is called delusional. His strategy worked against British occupation because the Brits did not want to be know as evil mass killers. Against Stalin or the Islamofascists he would have been screwed.
Sanctaphrax
14-11-2004, 06:20
israel was deemed racist by the U.N. It is a corrupt regime which has broken many rules and does not listen to the U.N http://www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pages/isreal_un_resolutions.htm as such to support such a racist rogue nation would make you the supremacist not me.... :rolleyes:
No, you see, I don't think that Jews are superior to all others, you think that whites are superior, therefore you're a supremacist.
And the UN are deemed idiots by the whole world. If you look at the list of resolutions involving Israel they nearly all start with "condemn" or similar things, things which Israel listen to, but can do nothing about.
OceanDrive
14-11-2004, 06:36
No, you see, I don't think that Jews are superior to all others...Jews think they are the "Chosen" People...
Gaza Strip
14-11-2004, 11:34
Feh, Arafat was doing some good up to 1994; I'll give him credit for Oslo, and ONLY that.
Arafat didn't care about Oslo. The work behind the scenes was done by Abbas and others. To the disgust of everyone on both sides, Arafat sat there saying 'no' to everything and then gurned for the cameras in his military uniform.

Then he phoned his goons and told them to prepare to resume their 'final solution' to the Israeli problem - aka the 'intifada' - i.e. to begin attacks on civilians and civilians alone, as soon as possible.

Isn't it a coincidence that, ONE DAY after the loathsome piece of excrement's burial, the Palestinians have asked for high level peace talks in the belief that they could reach an agreement "in a very short time"?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4009213.stm

ARAFAT was one of the worst war criminals in human history. Not only did he steal $4.6 billion from 'his people', he personally murdered or directed the murders of tens of thousands of innocent civilians AND raped children. Some hero.
Volkareich
14-11-2004, 12:30
Why is it that those who support the Palestinian cause are immediately “white supremacists”? Did right-wing America say anything about the colour of their skin? Why must this argument be fought over race rather than reason? I don’t think the name calling is necessary not to mention all the vague references to Nazi Germany. Is it appropriate to belittle the holocaust by comparing those who do not unconditionally support the state of Israel to Nazis?
Qantrix
14-11-2004, 16:44
Indeed, recently, here in europe, there has been a gigantic increase in anti-semitism in the left wing. Which isn't really that strange, since the nazi's were actually in a way left wingers (they just wanted to distance themselves as far away from the commies, however their economic policy was socialist (keynesian) there weren't many personal freedoms and there weren't many economical freedoms either (corporations were allowed but were massivly influenced by the government.)

But let's get back on-topic, indeed both left wing and extreme-right wing support the Palestinians, for a vague reason.
Sanctaphrax
14-11-2004, 18:52
Why is it that those who support the Palestinian cause are immediately “white supremacists”? Did right-wing America say anything about the colour of their skin? Why must this argument be fought over race rather than reason? I don’t think the name calling is necessary not to mention all the vague references to Nazi Germany. Is it appropriate to belittle the holocaust by comparing those who do not unconditionally support the state of Israel to Nazis?
No, he actually is. If he's who I think he is, he's a puppet of the forunately deceased Unified White Front, a white supremacist. And besides, his posts give him away as a white supremacist. Not here, but in other threads.
QahJoh
15-11-2004, 05:05
Jews think they are the "Chosen" People...

A belief that one is special or unique does not in of itself constitute chauvanism or supremacism. There are many other religions and cultures on the planet that believe similar ideologies, many of which could be argued to be quite more chavanistic than the Jewish Chosen-ness doctrine.
Bushnes
15-11-2004, 05:43
israel was deemed racist by the U.N. It is a corrupt regime which has broken many rules and does not listen to the U.N http://www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pages/isreal_un_resolutions.htm as such to support such a racist rogue nation would make you the supremacist not me.... :rolleyes:

Why should anyone listen to the UN. Who was in charg of oil for food?
Gaza Strip
15-11-2004, 17:40
Why should anyone listen to the UN. Who was in charg of oil for food?
Palifascists regularly use UN ambulances and vehicles for transporting guns and explosives. Whether it's with the knowledge of the UN or not, who knows. But when the UN has one refugee agency for everyone else, and one just for the Palifascists, it makes you wonder - are the UN just complacent about Palestinian attacks on civilians, or are they complicit?
BlindLiberals
15-11-2004, 18:17
Indeed, recently, here in europe, there has been a gigantic increase in anti-semitism in the left wing. Which isn't really that strange, since the nazi's were actually in a way left wingers (they just wanted to distance themselves as far away from the commies, however their economic policy was socialist (keynesian) there weren't many personal freedoms and there weren't many economical freedoms either (corporations were allowed but were massivly influenced by the government.)

But let's get back on-topic, indeed both left wing and extreme-right wing support the Palestinians, for a vague reason.

Perfect Example of European Zero/Double Think. Get ready to put rags on your heads.
HyperionCentauri
15-11-2004, 18:21
Arafat and his cronies were no better or worse than Sharon and his fascists
BlindLiberals
15-11-2004, 18:24
Arafat didn't care about Oslo. The work behind the scenes was done by Abbas and others. To the disgust of everyone on both sides, Arafat sat there saying 'no' to everything and then gurned for the cameras in his military uniform.

Then he phoned his goons and told them to prepare to resume their 'final solution' to the Israeli problem - aka the 'intifada' - i.e. to begin attacks on civilians and civilians alone, as soon as possible.

Isn't it a coincidence that, ONE DAY after the loathsome piece of excrement's burial, the Palestinians have asked for high level peace talks in the belief that they could reach an agreement "in a very short time"?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4009213.stm

ARAFAT was one of the worst war criminals in human history. Not only did he steal $4.6 billion from 'his people', he personally murdered or directed the murders of tens of thousands of innocent civilians AND raped children. Some hero.

If you have info, call FOX News, please.
Stylish hats
15-11-2004, 18:29
He wasnt a terrorist at all he was a freedom fighter with strong views:D
Gaza Strip
15-11-2004, 18:45
If you have info, call FOX News, please.
The allegations of Arafat viciously raping young boys admittedly come from a somwhat unreliable source - a former head of Ceacescu's secret police.

That Arafat stole billions sent in aid to help the Palestinians - undeniable. Even news agencies like Reuters, which print word for word anything that the Palestinians or their Arab fascist allies tell them to, are reporting it. The maximum figure being reported missing is over $7bn.

http://www.reuters.com/locales/c_newsArticle.jsp?type=businessNews&localeKey=en_IN&storyID=6801015
and from a rabidly pro-Palestinian British newspaper, the Sunday version of the Guardian:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1350818,00.html

also see

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,11299981%255E912,00.html
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041109/NEWS/211090306/1002/Business
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=national&story_id=110904b3_arafat_money
http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,11369828%255E912,00.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/11/international/middleeast/11arafat.html
Areyoukiddingme
15-11-2004, 21:36
Well, Steph wanted a title that is less likely to invoke trolling so here you go. Don't give the mods an excuse to lock it so no flaming etc...
Views about Arafat here.
Arafat was a terrorist who killed children.

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pal-child-abuse/?PHPSESSID=d4050f37309b5e617e528a9aac7e2049
Eutrusca
15-11-2004, 21:43
"Peaceful terrorist" is an oxymoron.
Areyoukiddingme
15-11-2004, 21:50
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Jazzy world
15-11-2004, 21:51
i suposse he wasn't evil or good he was just a terrorist in training so to speak he never posed a threat to anyone he was just a man dieing
Gaza Strip
16-11-2004, 03:10
i suposse he wasn't evil or good he was just a terrorist in training so to speak he never posed a threat to anyone he was just a man dieing
Sorry, we were discussing 'General' Yasser Arafat, commander of the terrorist group the PLO, mastermind of the massacre at the 1972 Munich Olympics - the man who addressed the UN armed to the teeth and murdered or ordered the murders of thousands of civilians.